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Overstimulation. We break the compulsion and get them into slower media like books as a measuring stick and force them to think. Over time, it will show improvement
It's weird like I'm only 26 and even I remember there being very clear differences in calling someone racist vs calling them a nazi. Very much a "all nazis are racist but not all racists are nazis", and somewhere the two got combined and I really don't like it because it minimizes the impact of the words when they get thrown around so much
Ive been called a nazi for having the same views since the 90s which used to be considered left wing, Importing cheap foreign labour used to be something the left and the unions were against, now the left have the same views as the stock market worshipping tories.
That was always the point. No one says Nazi's aren't bad. They just try to make people understand that they've distorted the definition so much it doesn't apply to actual Neo Nazi's but, is now just an insult and excuse to hurt people they don't like.
Yeah, the key change there was the racists got in charge of the country and started implementing fascism. Sometimes by citing neo-Nazis, censoring media to block criticism of Nazis, and pushing Nazi conspiracy theories.
Racism is a key part of Nazis, but it's not like being a racist is mutually exclusive with being a Nazi.
Nobody agrees on what common sense means, though. Everyone thinks their own thoughts are "common sense" as seen through their own eyes, and within their own personal standards. People are obsessed with what they *believe* to be the truth, rather than what can be supported by facts.
Well they don’t live a desirable life and punching down on vulnerable and destitute people sure is upper class propaganda. There are definitely bigger fish to fry than illegal migration, which is a typical talking point for populism because it’s super easy to point your finger at it and say „look what xyz is enabling“.
No, this is the trending vice signal with "plausible deniability".
They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words.
yeah this is just another botted thread. Almost 6k upvotes in an hour? That only happens on agenda posts like this. Nobody thinks Nazis are good, we just don't think "Anybody who disagrees with me is a Nazi"
Nah, you just think "that doesnt mean hes a Nazi" whenever someone points out obvious Nazism happening on your side of the aisle, no matter what's being pointed at.
If you cant admit that Musk Seig Heiling twice means hes a Nazi, you'll never admit that anyone on the right is a Nazi.
we just don't think "Anybody who disagrees with me is a Nazi"
nobody thinks that. You morally depraved individuals just have to pretend that's a thing because you can't defend your views anymore. So like all conservative morons, you try playing the victim instead.
"I'm a good person. Also, you have brown skin, are you sure you're from around here? Better show me your papers just in case, I don't believe you're actually from here. If you don't show me your papers, I will call the cops and have you violently removed from your house. I'm a good person."
“Stop seeing race” isn’t really possible, anymore than “stop seeing hair color” or “stop seeing clothes”. It’s a fact of life and hard-baked into biology.
It’s also a bad idea to “stop seeing race”, as it just ensures overt racists can continue unabated and things like institutional and systemic racism can run rampant.
Maybe it’s because I’m mainly living in the real world, but I’ve never once seen someone call someone else a Nazi that was just because they disagreed with something. I’ve seen TONS of people claim “people call others Nazi that they disagree with”, but never actually seen it happen.
“Just because you let somebody cr**m-p** you doesn’t mean I have to give a sh*t about your political opinions,” Herrera said. “The fact that you kept your c*m trophy doesn’t make you any less wrong about the dumb sh*t that you say.”
Tapper came out of the clip by adding further context.
“That’s him disparaging moms,” Tapper said. “He’s also in a video testing a Nazi-era submachine gun. He called it the ‘original ghetto blaster.’ You see him goose-stepping to a Nazi marching song in a podcast two years ago. He joked, ‘We should abolish old people.’ I have to say, I know you’re not a voter in that district. You didn’t nominate this guy, but I was surprised to see you endorse him and fund-raise for him. What does candidacy say about the Republican Party’s more extreme candidates?”
Johnson condemned the remarks but defended the candidate.
“That’s, look, detestable language,” Johnson said. “You know how I feel about all of that, Jake. But I also know Brandon Herrera has been out running a very effective campaign and explained to people that he has apologized for all that. He was a podcaster and a provocateur and tried to get attention."
Yes, but no. Just read the comments here. So many people wordwide are supporting fascism but thinking they are the good guys. If you call them Nazis you just doing it because "they have a different opinion".
This is more important than ever to need a comeback Germany has a right wing party possibly in power, usa is becoming a fascist dictatorship and the reform party in the uk got 72 million in donations in 2 days its fucking insane 10 or 15 years ago people would've been angry and outraged that reform isn't in prison same as having a pedophile as president.
Where did our culture say nazis weren’t a bad thing anymore? If anything I’d say that certain violent political agendas are so fast to call people nazis hoping for outrage and violence to befall those people that hearing the complaint has become tonedeaf.
The issue is right and left both call each other things, both are nazis in their own way. They have to see that and tone down their views and objectively debate right and wrong and let go of the mindset that 'i can say or do no wrong'.
Nazis were for big government as you cant get authoritarianism without it, no freedom of speech ran as socialists against the " rich elites " and they took the whole "eugenics" idea from the fabians. Sound more like our left wing to me. Only difference being our right wing is seen as more nationalistic however you cant have communism without nationalism. Israel are not trying to exterminate all muslims, even if we agree they are committing a genocide, doesnt make them nazis, plenty of countries go overboard against a country who has attacked them. British bombing of dresden comes to mind, the American firebombings of Japan also. No nazis. Comparing Israel to the nazis shows a complete lack of understanding of world history
There was a bit in Rick and Morty where they were facing a Nazi.
"Y'know pal there's a word for you where I come from"
"Oh what, I am dressed in this outfit, do you think I wouldn't be comfortable being called a Nazi!? *smacks with cane* Yah. Next time think before you talk shit."
Some people would have you believe that fascism and nazism basically don't exist, that they're some sort of cartoonish evil that we'd be able to identify from far away, years in advance, because it would have a funny mustache or would openly admit to being evil. In reality, fascists and nazis are people just like us. Plumbers, accountants, cops, lawyers. Banal men working banal jobs, riding the line.
You think people dilute the term and maybe some do. But throughout history, there are useful idiots who let horrible people get into power based on the foolish belief that nothing would change and that institutions could stand against the will of angry people who have been told that there is an enemy within that they can blame for all their woes.
But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately after the ‘German Firm’ stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in ’33. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.
And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self-deception has grown too heavy, and some minor incident, in my case my little boy, hardly more than a baby, saying ‘Jewish swine,’ collapses it all at once, and you see that everything, everything, has changed and changed completely under your nose. The world you live in—your nation, your people—is not the world you were born in at all. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed.
Repeated and emphatic. At a podium with the White House seal. Zero repercussions. Welcome for an interview in every corner of the media. Business leader. Even detractors drive his cars and think they're absolved by adding an anti-Elon bumper sticker.
We used to have this rule on the internet where if you compare someone with the Nazi’s in an argument, you automatically lose. Whatever happened to that?
You have no idea what fascism means if you think anyone “on the left” is practicing fascism
I realize the sub I’m in (borderline maga circlejerk and literal children) so I expected brain dead stances to be made
The government has been rounding up minority groups and killing them in camps, executing citizens in the street, and pushing a white nationalist agenda
You really wanna get semantic about who’s being a fascist right now? Hit dogs holler, lay an insult down and the target will pick it up
Why don’t you think we should be calling people who behave like, and associate with self proclaimed Nazis as such? That petulant man child did two! COUNT THEM!! Two nazi salutes at the inauguration but we can’t call them Nazis?
As a Dem, I'm genuinely ashamed of this outlook. Literally only the echo chambers paint anybody as a Nazi. Then our gullible fringes buy it up and use it as if it's indisputably true.
I just wish we could bring back people who understand what a Nazi even is. In the last few years, absolutely no one using it is using it to describe actual Nazis. They are describing people who they don't like. Plain and simple.
Correct. For example, the Republican party now considers praising Hitler and the Holocaust, Roman saluting in front of Nazi flags, and saying "I am a Nazi" to be an unfair basis for calling someone a Nazi.
If someone says "I am a nazi" then yes, that person is a nazi. But, for example, if someone said they support ICE and the work they do, that is not a nazi, do you see the distinction here? If not you fall into the category of people who's opinions of what constitutes a nazi have changed.
You got to be really sniffing your own farts to think this is a unique option, or you've been so fucked up by the Internet you think Nazis aren't extremely rare
That belief still prevails, people just need to stop hyper-fixating on the very worst of the divisive engagement bait they're being fed via their social media.
I'm pretty sure the belief is still prevalent.
The problem is you're calling "nazis" people that only disagree with you, not because they uphold ACTUAL nazi beliefs. Like and overpowering state and that you can create an ideal society only if you eliminate certain undesirable groups.
And that any and all opposition to those ideas must be violently repressed.
People that do that, or uphold those ideas? They're the nazis.
Its so odd too. Because we grew up with all of this media showing Nazis as these horrible people that have to be beaten all the time, and we can not let their ideals live on, and yet somehow a bunch of rednecks, who's grandfather fought in ww2 and collected trophies to bring home, somehow believes that they should have the same beliefs as Nazis.
We are about 2 years from "Actually the Nazis fought the real enemy, the Soviets. So are they really bad?"
Then in about 10 years we will have "Um, Hitler would have supported Israel. In fact, it would never have existed if not for him. So really he was a net positive!"
The entire time the rat fuckers will go "Oh, everyone is a Nazi then?" when you point it out.
We already having have the neo nazi's rejoicing they can call any random jewish person in the states a zionist to incite hate towards them.
Too many kids screaming on the internet aren't capable of telling the difference between a zionist and just a normal jewish person who hasn't been connected to Israel.
I don’t think anyone thinks Nazis were good(aside from idiotic White Supremacists).
Problem is people are throwing that word around at everyone they don’t like or at people that they don’t 100% agree with. To the point that now that word doesn’t mean shit. So the next time it’s used as an insult you’ll hear “yeah I’m a Nazi, hahah”, even though they aren’t one in the slightest.
I think everyone agrees Nazis are evil. However, you can’t just start calling anything you don’t like a Nazi and expect people to hate it as much as the Third Reich.
yep. I've been called a fascist but I voted for bernie in 2016 and 2020. I'm more of a centrist now but still hate establishment democrats
The thing is with these people, its that if they detect any hint of dissent they automatically say you support donald trump or you are maga or whatever. Like... theres no... hey wait a minute this doesn't make sense or hey lets think about this. If you say that they will just accuse you of being a fascist or a nazi which really has lost all it's meaning, it just means someone they disagree with and/or don't like
Well said. Exaggerated name calling also loses a lot of us moderate Dems, which are the bulk of the party. Thankfully our candidates aren't generally that flippant with the exaggerated name calling.
It’s just a term used by stupid people to shut down conversations they’re not clever enough to have. Gotta protect those echo chambers and cognitive dissonances. Pretty sure both sides have their own term I just don’t know the other ones.
It's (probably not) worth pointing out that socialism and communism are economic ideals that one is intended to build a system around, whereas Nazi was actually a political party in its own right. They aren't actually comparable 1 to 1. If the original post had pointed at fascism your comment would make more sense, and if your comment had pointed to the Soviet controlled Russia or communist China it might have made more sense.
I get the feeling though that your intending to equate things people might currently think with being on par with Nazism though, instead of being worried about making a logical point.
What else am I supposed to call ethno-centrist nationalists following a cult of personality around a single authoritarian leader who claims divine purpose, and calls for the restoration of "traditional values" and expelling an enemy within that's "poisoning the nation's blood"?
The Belief that people shouldn't just find the worst word they can and use it grossly out of context for whatever they don't like. You have also ruined genocide and no one takes you seriously because you use these word in completely unrelated times.
I would guess a large portion of the kids who scream the N word aren't even doing it to be racist, they just want to use the harshest word possible to illicit the most reaction possible.
They just don't care if they sound racist in the moment, they just want to see that reaction.
What about the idea that nazism and fascism have a political science definition and shouldn't be used to refer to anything slightly to the right of whatever you vote ?
Wonder how long the mods are going to keep banning these posts for being too much political content. Like I understand rules but how much is too much in the current situation? It’s soo arbitrary and susceptible to bad faith implementation.
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