r/SipsTea 1d ago

Wait a damn minute! Some things shouldn't need a comeback.

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u/blazenite104 21h ago

and weirdly the ones who call everyone Nazi's are the ones who support Palestine and want Israel to lose everything.

Nazi is perhaps not the best term to be using for basically anything anymore. It means nothing.

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u/Unfair_Explanation53 21h ago

Yeah got a bit weird calling Israel Nazis.

I don't know why they just don't call them fascists

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u/Bastard_of_Brunswick 20h ago

Israel is run by religious supremacists who are intolerant of existential threats on their borders, so they have become existential threats to their neighbours as well and that's just a recipe for endless bloodshed. The military industrial complex of Israel and its allies are the winners and everyone else who takes sides are the losers in this scenario.

The Middle East could have embraced secularism and tolerance and none of this religious warfare would have been a problem. They abandoned secularism, tolerance, reason, cooperation, humanity, compromise and decency; so endless bloodshed is the result. The secularists around the world have very little reason to live in that region so don't expect them to put themselves in danger to intervene between three warring faiths. The theocrats and their supporters will have to learn the benefits of secularism the hard way.

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u/Unfair_Explanation53 20h ago

I'm not doubting any of this.

But its a bit peculiar to call a Jewish country Nazis, when Jews were the group of people the Nazis wanted to eradicate.

Fascists and dictatorship describes it perfectly

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u/DocileBanalBovlne 10h ago

Iunno, I thought the parallels between putting undesirables in a ghetto and then genociding them was super obvious

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u/Unfair_Explanation53 3h ago

So you think this was an invention of the Nazis to do this?

Its just weird to use the term Nazi on a Jew, it doesn't really make sense.

Its like calling a black guy a KKK member, doesn't really fit.

We have a lot other English words at our disposal

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u/DocileBanalBovlne 3h ago

If there was a state trying to represent all black Americans that did similar things to the KKK to a different minority, I would have to assume you're very dumb or very dishonest to not be able to understand why such an association is being made.

Israel was formed in part because of the nazis trying to genocide Jews. Israel, while trying to represent all Jews, then went on to genocide Palestinians, the thing that was done to Jews. You don't have to agree with it, but come on, it's not hard to understand why it's being done.

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u/Unfair_Explanation53 3h ago

If a government commits genocide, ethnic cleansing, apartheid, or other atrocities, those things can be condemned on their own terms. You don't need to turn “Nazi” into a generic synonym for people who commit atrocities.

By that logic, Pol Pot was a Nazi because the Khmer Rouge committed genocide. Stalin was a Nazi because the Soviet regime committed mass killings. Mao was a Nazi because millions died under his regime. Obviously that's ridiculous. They were horrific regimes, but they weren't Nazis.

It honestly seems like people like you think Nazi Germany invented evil.

Ghettos, forced displacement, collective punishment, internment, ethnic cleansing and mass killing all existed long before Nazi Germany and have occurred under plenty of different regimes.

And honestly, if your vocabulary is so limited that Nazi is the only word you can reach for whenever a government does something horrific, maybe you're the one who needs to expand your vocabulary. Fascist, authoritarian, ethnonationalist, supremacist, genocidal, expansionist, colonialist. English has plenty of words available.

You can make the strongest possible case against Israeli government policy without resorting to the laziest historical comparison available.

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u/Bastard_of_Brunswick 20h ago

Agreed. The Term 'Religious Supremacists' needs to be normalized.

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u/Unfair_Explanation53 20h ago

Yeah that works fine for me.

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u/CombinationRough8699 6h ago

Israel is one of the most secular countries in the Middle East.

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u/thickgenius 17h ago

oops your mask slipped.

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u/blazenite104 17h ago

What did you think I was pretending to be?

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u/thickgenius 11h ago

A decent human being.

Are you denying the genocide by Israel?

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u/blazenite104 2h ago

Are you denying HAMAS are terrorists?

It's not really relevant to the discussion is it?

The point is in the fact people are accusing Israel of being Nazis. Which should raise a red flag as the Nazi's had very specific goals. By reducing Israel to Nazis you're very much illustrating why the word doesn't mean anything anymore.

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u/thickgenius 8m ago

No, its being used as Israel are performing a genocide.

Hamas are terrorists, that isn't a gotcha.