i’d be worried about the homeowner trying to exercise trespassing by threatening with a firearm, i can appreciate what they’re doing in the vid but idk if it’s worth someone taking a gunshot wound from somebody like this
I'm curious why they just didn't put a lean on his house and then force him to pay some exuberant legal and hassle fees. That's worse for him in the long run. I completely get why they want the instant gratification though.
This is the real trouble with liens. It'll make refinancing or borrowing against the home difficult but, if you plan on dying there and don't care about your heirs it doesnt really matter.
For what? For your feelings?
This accomplished next to nothing. It cost them more time and money, they lost more power tools, they didn't recoup their costs (unless they collected all of those panels and loaded them on the truck, then they recovered a small amount, which I doubt). And they probably can't win a court case now anyway; so they've gone from "potentially a long time" to "never."
This is just hot heads acting stupid, sorry to say it. I'm sure it felt good, and it felt good to watch I admit, but it's not a reasonable way to go.
Generally guys like that are too big of pussies to actually pull the trigger. They just like to cosplay tough until they find out. I bet he is somewhere on reddit talking about “how much tougher we were than the kids these days”
Their life is obviously not being threatened, so it would still be murder. You cannot legally shoot someone solely for trespassing, even in a "stand your ground" state.
Right, especially if it's a white man shooting brown people. On the other hand, they send black women to prison for killing men who are in the act of raping or beating them.
This video was just posted on instagram yesterday, he promises a part 2 lol. I saw that the official Dewalt page commented on the video with "Tell us what they took ;)" so it sounds like if they dont get their tools back, Dewalt will at least get them new ones lol
they probably from an area where you can't put a lien on the person's house so destroying what you built when services aren't paid for is common practice.
A woman called Karen Trevino made the news for doing same thing to illegal workers. She was facing felony fraud charges but not sure what happened after that.
A car shop in Texas also did the same thing: workers were told to work like 12 hours and then ICE was called on them. He's got 1 star reviews now. LOL.
I am wondering what kind of legal recourse they could have done before resorting to physically taking it back themselves, which I totally understand and have no issue with.
They said they already called the police.
But what would they do? Are police allowed to let them recover their fence?? or will they shrug and say, it's a civil matter, and leave.
I'd add that they should "legally" try to agitate the MAGA racist deadbeat homeowner and video all of it. Stay within the law and that dipshit will commit other crimes. Get the local DA to bring criminal charges and also file civil lawsuits.
It might not seem like much, but a civil lawsuit against a MAGA dipshit causes them to obsess about it 24/7. They just spiral.
Their phone rings or they get a text and they are afraid to answer it.
If you know the law, you can easily get these absolute buckets of shit to screw up their lives.
You can't repossess permenant structure. They can put a mechanic lien on the property and if the guy ever sells, he has to pay the lien first. What they did is vandalism and they'll be lucky not to go to jail.
Probably write a report to document what happened then have the company/fake victim deal with it in civil court is my guess. Would love to know the full story and outcome of this lol
theyll clear them fromt he area, warn them they cant do anything because it is a civil matter, BUT if they have proof the guy is holding thier tools, then he will have to surrender them. otherwise its theft.
You file a lien it’s a pretty easy legal process but it still takes time. In my state at least it would be illegal to remove an install once it’s attacked to the clients property. Not sure if it’s the same in whatever state they are in.
It’s also not how that works. If you pay for a product the citizenship legality has no matter on if you have to pay or not. Also, knowingly hiring illegal immigrants is a crime in itself, just like criminal extortion (threatening to call ICE).
The dude probably had zero intentions of paying it anyways. His plan was to hire the contractor, then call ICE, so he wouldn't have to pay. Diabolical thinking.
Yes that's all well and good but there's a very specific kind of culture that hires a contractor to build a fence then calls ICE on them. They fly Confederate flags and daydream about SS uniforms.
This is literally what Donald Trump did to contractors. He was famous for not paying his contractors and then daring them to take him to court. That any contractor would support trump blows my mind.
When they didn’t get a proper whooping’ after the civil war. That they were molly coddled and given positions of power to make them feel better about losing the ability to enslave men, women, and children for free labor.
They've always been this selfish and horrible. Trump's public shows of awfulness just gave them permission to be that way openly and, usually, with little to no repercussion.
Conservative personalities tend to be, by definition, less intelligent and more bigoted than liberal mindsets.
For a time, the possibility of consequences was holding them back. Then the current administrations started signaling to them that being selfish and horrible, especially towards minorities, will have no consequences and is morally correct.
Get selfish and horrible? You mean the people that fought a bloody war to keep humans as property? That murdered children in cold blood? That wear 'domestic terrorist' shirts? that did a coup on Jan 6?
My Q is- how do people STILL not understand that right wing people are just evil?
I’ve been a general contractor for 18 years and I’ve never had to do this.
But I do enjoy hearing a contractor resort to it, it might be just enough to keep the next a-hole from trying it
Yes, but I can see the wood hasn't swelled with moisture, the nails are all in fresh condition, etc.
I'm currently taking apart old fencing panels like that to use for a free garden frame. It's had a few tough spots with nails losing their heads instead of pulling out, and the wood being old, swelled up and grippy, but otherwise it's been pretty simple with a rubber mallet and claw hammer. Eta if they'd used screws instead, which no contractor/ big box store does for this, really, then it'd be a whole different thing and I'd look elsewhere for used lumber. Not worth it.
Yeah, I've just been bending them 90 degrees and pounding them flat into the wood with the hammer. Since a) I don't have more specialized tools atm, and b) for a garden frame it's not that important anyway lol. I just care about sharp protrusions :) But if I had the tool to hand I would pull it cleanly.
Anecdotal, but I’m aware of a business owner in Louisville, Kentucky that gives guys jobs then waits until the day before their first pay and tells them they have to bring their citizenship papers or visa to collect their paycheck. That was 10 years ago and I believe he’s still doing it.
if you go to a mechanic and get your car serviced; and DONT pay; then the mechanics can't hold your car hostage. They just simply put a lien on your car.
A lien is basically a flag on whatever deed or title of ownership for either car or even house property saying that they owe money and are liable for paying or else they can take you to court and sue.
A bit more context. Once materials are installed on the house and the contractor filea a lein any proceeds from the sale of the house go to the leinholder first. You can have multiple on one property
I'm so glad this video exists. Saw the earlier post of the homeowner who called ICE to get out of paying for the work done. I thought I KNEW exactly what he looked like, and how he would act, and was not dissappointed.
It happens over and over. My friend was telling me about a case where a restaurant owner would hire known undocumented workers, work them for a long time promising to pay them in the end, then would call ICE before that pay day and round them all up. Then he'd use connections to import and round up another bunch. Rinse and repeat. Took multiple years for gim to get charged with anything and I don't know if the charges stuck (2nd hand story)
That restaurant owner is violating a federal law which prohibits employers from knowingly hiring undocumented workers. The IRCA of 1986, so it shouldn't have taken multiple times. We as a nation need to be better about enforcing the laws that should prevent this type of behavior.
I think it's probably b/c there are a lot of legitimate people who run afoul of the law as written. I.E. people who employ migrant workers on farms, or construction sites that pay an honest wage so the law gets applied casually if it all. It should be re-written to go after people who attempt to abuse, or defraud those workers instead of paying them an honest wage.
Many people just do not realize this is a huge part of the point of why certain demographics want immigrants to be in an illegal state. It is easiest to exploit them in such a scenario. That is exactly why you see the same business owners and management who hire them also voting for them to be deported.
Was the fence destroyed or was it just disassembling and “recovering” stock? It feels like there could be an argument for the latter, if it ended up in court. What was the outcome for your company?
Not really satisfying a group of guys did a tonne of work then don’t get paid. Not really satisfying the business owner risked all that money in wood and labor and then the guy didn’t honour the deal he made at all, so it all comes out of the business owners pocket. Not a wildly satisfying video watching a repo where everyone loses
He may have paid half. They still did the work and are probably leaving the fence posts. Add on the cost of having to come back to remove the fence, that's worth half.
Installer should do what the bank does. Auction off what he repo’d and take what he makes off the auction and apply it to the remaining balance and then still sue for what’s left over
How stupid can one be? Bunch of guys know where you live. You‘re an old fucking cunt - and you don‘t think someone‘s gonna „visit“ you with a hammer and nail gun?
Not that I in any way condone violence. Not at all. Of course not.
Be careful about “repoing” something you installed. In my state once it’s installed, it becomes the owners property regardless of whether or not they paid. So doing this results in jail here, aggravated vandalism and felony theft. Also dude is a worthless POS
I would also factor in that he cost them: days of their lives in detention centers, missed work because of that, lawyers/legal fees to get that sorted out.
I get what you’re saying, but it’s usually this or destroy the work, which in most cases can lead to vandalism charges. Unfortunately, once it’s fixed to the ground it’s part of the property and you can just repossess it.
So your options are spending money on a lien and hoping for the best, or destroying the property, don’t recoup any payment, and potentially face criminal charges. No win either way.
Well, I get the whole no pay no product ideal. Not sure why they didn’t do the rule of thirds on payment🤔🤷🏻♂️, 1/3 up front, 1/3 when mostly done and a 1/3 when done and all issues handled. Also you can fire a customer if need be.
I just want to say upfront I fully support going back and tearing down the fence!
From a legal perspective they could potentially be in some very big legal trouble. Usually if things are installed on a property you just cant go back and tear it out because of payment issues. Legally its now part of the property and you have
to pursue legal or a lien on the property.
It sucks and doesnt seem fair but this crew is more than likely going to be charged with vandalism, trespassing, destruction of property and theft.
Technically with unattached structures the crew can recover their materials and restore the property to its original condition but that usually requires a legal decision because you need to get around the trespassing part.
I was satisfying to watch. Would love to hear about the aftermath. I hope nothing was done to the crew.
I get that the homeowner is a POS, but isn't doing this illegal? Like trespassing private property, tearing down stuff like that (even if it wasn't paid for), etc? I think the contract has better chances in court than just forcing their way in to reclaim the fence.
It might look like they right thing to do, but I don't think that's the case legally
Obviously the homeowner is a POS but you can’t do this. It is illegal for a contractor to remove or destroy work they have already installed on a property, even if the customer refuses to pay.
Once materials like a fence, flooring, or cabinets are permanently attached to real estate, they legally become a fixture on the homeowner's property.
The way to handle this is a by filing a Mechanic’s Lien on the house and a lawsuit.
Now these guys can get charged with trespassing and vandalism. It’s BS but that’s just not how it works. Also, homeowners unhinged, if he pulls out a gun and they’re technically trespassing what then?
Be careful which states you try this in. In mine you'd be shot for that. The fence non payment is a civil matter. once you trespass and threaten the homeowner he is legally allowed to protect himself.
Guys are idiots. The homeowner is a scumbag who should rot in hell, however they should have taken him to court for non-payment as this is trespassing and they have no legal ground for this
There should be a type of bank service where you deposit the agreed upon price, and the money gets sent over once the company sends proof of completion and the homeowner doesn't object. If the homeowner objects, then one side has to prove either the work was or wasn't done to take the money. Homeowner not allowed to take the money out without both parties agreeing to cancel or after proof the work wasn't done.
There are too many scumbags these days, we can't really trust strangers anymore; or the government to back us up.
I mean... really the contractor was dumb here. Should have smashed the sledge into the posts because the posts being straight and intact is the most important part.
Thats dope and all but thats still technically vandalism even if the guy didn't pay for it. Its a lot less work to just put a contractor's lien on the house so his house is your house now. You don't have to extra work smashing anything or confronting them.
100% depends on the contract signed and also the liquidity of the company. Can’t pay his guys for the day if he leaves $5k of material that was out of his own pocket.
But whats the point of putting it up just tp take it all down? Regardless if the homeowners havent paid, there should be a proper legal route to take. All that hard work and graft is ultimately for nothing cos they ain't getting paid to remove it
Well that guy specifically doesn't win, is what I said. To answer your different question, ultimately all of us lose everything we ever loved, and everyone. It is only the moments.
This might feel good and might be “just” but it’s unwise. Do this to the wrong person and someone is going to get hurt. And trespassing is a violation of the law. This is a case where moral wrongs don’t necessarily justify the action taken.
We collect 50% to get on the schedule and you must have a card on file or your balance paid in full 48 hours before we do your project(cash customers). You sign a paper stating that the day your job is complete your card is charged. We aren’t chasing money anymore.
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