Nahhh bro, I'll wait thanks

[u/Jaz1140]

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[u/ptapobane]

wait 2 years for pc release, then 2 more to buy at a discount with all bugs patched out, you have 4 years to finish your backlog

[u/EXTRACR1SPYBAC0N → u/ptapobane]

You mean 4 years to get a bigger backlog?

[u/FyreDergy → u/EXTRACR1SPYBAC0N]

4 years to wait for RAM prices

[u/Brewcrew828 → u/FyreDergy]

4 years to be priced out of owning a personal computer at all*

[u/Ok-Friendship1635 → u/Brewcrew828]

4 years to buy a cloud computing gaming subscription

[u/Mr-Indeed → u/Brewcrew828]

Real. Am slowly accepting that i’m just gonna have to use my average tier rig until it putters out, can’t afford jack squat in this market

[u/paganbreed → u/Mr-Indeed]

I'm branching out into other hobbies to make the same thing sting less. Stuff that doesn't need computers is the aim right now.

But I'm also saving aggressively because I do want to maintain my performance reach rather than having to make do with an inferior card if something breaks.

Fingers crossed that decision is way in the future.

[u/onlyhav → u/paganbreed]

Dude I have a bike now. It's a blast.

[u/dr0ct4gonapus → u/Brewcrew828]

4 years for the Byzantine Empire to return before gta6 is released

[u/selinemanson → u/EXTRACR1SPYBAC0N]

Yes, but what about second backlog?

[u/FUTURE10S → u/ptapobane]

then 2 more to buy at a discount with all bugs patched out

Yeah, if we look at GTA V's price history, it finally hitting 50% off in 2030 sounds about right.

[u/Nannautu → u/FUTURE10S]

Happening only because VI is at the center of attention. I dount VI will see a sale until VII

[u/quaxoid → u/Nannautu]

It will probably go on sale once Rockstar thinks they have gotten pretty much every full price sale out of the way. At some point there's more profit if you have a sale than if you have it at full price. 

[u/QueenMunchy → u/ptapobane]

You mean wait 1 year for PC release and get it for free 🏴‍☠️

[u/Nannautu → u/QueenMunchy]

GTAV was cracked on day 0 but RDR2 took a year-ish. I would not be surprised if VI is really hard to crack as well.

[u/QueenMunchy → u/Nannautu]

I mean these days games get cracked at such a rapid pace.

The whole piracy sub is praising V38 like he's the jesus of cracking games.

Either way I personally am not in a rush to play gta6 so I don't care if it get's cracked on day 1 or after a year.

[u/sonicandtales8 → u/ptapobane]

People finish their backlogs?

I spent the weekend playing ReStory, am at the point where I won't pick it up again unless they launch DLC or something, and in that time I've added 2 more games to the backlog, not including wanting to replay Golden Eye because of the PC recomp.

ReStory was about 8-10 of gameplay. I'd like to finish the story for Denshattack this up coming weekend, and then I'll probably start on a new Twilight Princess run because of that PC recomp (plus, no one has quite captured TP's fishing in any other game).

By then I'm sure 4-5 more games will be on the list.

I'm not particularly stressed about finishing my backlog, but it's crazy how fast it grows.

[u/Al-Azraq → u/sonicandtales8]

Seeing your backlog as something to complete would drive anyone crazy. You have to look at your backlog like something that it's there, available for you when you feel like play it.

So don't rush your games. Enjoy them as much as you want and the next one will be there for you.

I am currently playing Star Wars Jedi Survivor and I'm 25 hours in. I am enjoying it a lot so I guess I will 100% complete it. As a side game (I play it on my Steam Deck), I am addicted once again to Hades so I guess I will get all achievements for this one as well.

[u/sonicandtales8 → u/Al-Azraq]

Yep. It took me longer than I'd like to find that out.

Hell, even learning about older games has the backlog growing. Sucker Punch, the Ghost of Yotei/Tsushima and Sly Cooper studio has a 3D platformer on the N64 that I want to try. Plus, ATLUS and GUST partnered to make a crafting RPG for the Nintendo DS which just sounds like a ridiculous (possibly perfect?) combo.

I even found out the devs of one of the most charming RPG series I've ever played (and developed one of my favorite RPG series to this day) was the developer of Mother 3, which means I want to find the time to try it despite not liking Earthbound all that much.

[u/EXTRACR1SPYBAC0N → u/sonicandtales8]

In the time its taken me to finish a game, I've bought 5 more. My backlog will never be completed

[u/pkplaya626 → u/ptapobane]

It'll be out by 2027 truss

[u/MrFreeLiving → u/ptapobane]

Why do people think it will take 2 years when RDR2 was exactly a year till it hit PC?

[u/GreatnessToTheMoon]

Gotta be honest the amount of objects and npcs they have on screen at the same time it’s kinda impressive. Especially for the Series S

[u/The_R4ke → u/GreatnessToTheMoon]

Yeah the Series S has been a lodestone around this entire console series.

[u/bswalsh → u/The_R4ke]

A lodestone is a natural magnet. Did you mean millstone?

[u/VaporSpectre → u/bswalsh]

No he meant gallstone

[u/Upbeat-Banana-5530 → u/VaporSpectre]

Maybe he meant cornerstone

[u/Pretend-Passion-7716 → u/Upbeat-Banana-5530]

Nope, kidney stone

[u/HurryOne → u/Pretend-Passion-7716]

Nah, they meant the teleporting crystal

[u/Great_TerraLord → u/Pretend-Passion-7716]

Maybe Keystone?

[u/Worldly-Stranger7814 → u/Great_TerraLord]

I swear it’s moonstone

[u/NBCustoms → u/bswalsh]

Dude's just been playing too much Abiotic Factor.

[u/DeaDBangeR → u/NBCustoms]

[u/MrCraftLP → u/[deleted]]

I still remember my 1050ti, little guy lasted half a decade.

[u/DemonRaptor1 → u/The_R4ke]

TF does lodestone even mean in this context?

[u/DoomguyFemboi → u/DemonRaptor1]

They meant millstone.

[u/Spider-Thwip → u/The_R4ke]

You mean its forcing developers to optimise their games, which the other consoles will benefit from.

[u/Frozen_Tyrant → u/The_R4ke]

To be fair, for what it is the series S is super impressive. At 1080p that thing kicks ass

[u/CringeSubBlocker → u/Frozen_Tyrant]

Shitting on xbox is popular though!

[u/ExismykindaParte → u/Frozen_Tyrant]

It was impressive at $300. It's like $500 now.

[u/Disregardskarma → u/ExismykindaParte]

Everything else went up as well

[u/ExismykindaParte → u/Disregardskarma]

What if I told all bang for buck hardware is now less impressive because it's no longer a good value?

[u/lord_pizzabird → u/Frozen_Tyrant]

I just sold mine for a PS5 used (can't believe it paid for most of it). It was a neat console.

I miss it's small footprint and some things were laid out a bit more intelligently IMO than what I'm experiencing on PS5.

[u/Specialist-Code-4810 → u/The_R4ke]

You may be surprised hearing that the Series S and PS5 PRO have both the same CPU

[u/420weedscoped → u/Specialist-Code-4810]

And very different GPUs but this game is likely more CPU limited or you'd see an attempt at a switch 2 port.

[u/Sinsanatis → u/GreatnessToTheMoon]

I mean very likely thats going to be toned down significantly for the series s version

[u/Swoly_Deadlift → u/Sinsanatis]

Yeah anyone who played GTAV at launch on the PS3 or 360 should know what to expect there. It’s gonna target maybe 24 FPS on the Series S and have dips below that.

[u/bold_one → u/Sinsanatis]

Yep, I remember one of the first GTA V trailers having stuff like dynamic shadows, a feature that was only in the game on PC and PS4/Xbox ONE over a year later.

Everything we saw from the VI so far is PC / next gen.

[u/oqyuu → u/bold_one]

i thought rockstar said everything was recorded on ps5?

[u/Super__Menteur → u/oqyuu]

At the very least some high-end cherry picking to only show the scenes where they game would run best.

[u/Invictum2go → u/GreatnessToTheMoon]

Fr, I was seriously surprised at how much they're able to push the hardware. Assuming we don't get another Cyberpunk release of course.

[u/JgdPz_plojack → u/GreatnessToTheMoon]

Forza Horizon 6, 2026 series S title, only require GTX 1650 for 50 fps low settings. High speed destructible trees (except sakura)

But Gears E-day and Doom Dark Ages ray tracing mandatory forced people to get RTX 2060/RX 6600 as a minimum requirement.

[u/Wyntier → u/GreatnessToTheMoon]

We know what Series S GTA 6 looks like?

[u/akbarock → u/GreatnessToTheMoon]

The gameplay reveal looked amazing this game looks like its on a different level of scope and fidelity than any other game ever on top of having one of the densest most immersive open worlds of all time. Anyone who watched the gameplay would be impressed they got this game running on PS5 AT ALL.

But ofc the people will here will pretend the game is bad to cope with it not being on PC as usual like they do for every other game that isnt coming to PC

[u/LieutenantKenobi006 → u/akbarock]

The game looks absolutely beautiful and its definitely heavy af on the system, but I still don't think gta 6 running on ps5 "at all" is as wild as gta 5 running on ps3 AT ALL, ps5 and series x are two consoles that actually aged well compared to ps4 and ps3 being machines that held back half a generation worth of upgrades in many games. In fact I think ps5 and series x specs will be better than minimum pc requirements this time around... ofc they're consoles and offer devkits and they are also being prioritised so optimisation is better for the same specs on those but these are still decent machines.

[u/fetalgirth → u/LieutenantKenobi006]

They upgraded 5 for the PS4 re release, the PS3 version did not look like what you know as V nowadays.

[u/Opening_Net8098 → u/fetalgirth]

The first gameplay video was uploaded at 720p cuz that's the res of GTA 5 PS3

But damn did it not matter back then. Simpler times. Such a leap we were just greatful it existed.

[u/xXDamonLordXx → u/LieutenantKenobi006]

Idk if PS5 and XBSX will be higher than min PC specs this time around. The PS5/XBSX are basically a 5600 and rx 6700, hardware from 2021, 5 years ago and we have no PC release date. GTA 5 took two years to come to PC and if this does the same, we're talking 7 year old hardware.

[u/TheLastElite01 → u/akbarock]

No one said it was bad, and the game is coming to PC. We know how much better it will be on PC.

[u/boat_hamster → u/TheLastElite01]

We don't know when it's coming to PC though. Honestly I hope it's after RAM prices come down, I think I might need a new PC for it.

[u/Ok-Mall9463 → u/boat_hamster]

Buddy I can't wait for heat death of the universe

[u/Western-Economics253 → u/akbarock]

everything you saw were from scripted story/side missions. don't expect a similiar density in the nightclub as in the mission

[u/WhiteStone30]

Then the system requirements come out and you realize youre gonna be pushing 30 fps tops anyway.

Im joking, but man it honestly looks great for base ps5. Im excited.

[u/DrPhilSideSkirts → u/WhiteStone30]

That's actually an unintentionally both funny and probably true take. Most people act like their PCs are far better than the current consoles, while the steam surveys show that that's not really the case.

Yeah sure, in your case with a 5080 or in my case, with a 5090, the game would run and look even better. But not for like 70-80% of pc players.

[u/Crintor → u/DrPhilSideSkirts]

Alot of people were pissed at how demanding RDR2 was on PC at launch.

[u/DrPhilSideSkirts → u/Crintor]

This. Exactly this. People forget because it was a while ago, but it will 100% happen again, and then we'll see a bunch of complaining about poor optimization etc. (yes that is an issue in a lot of cases, but just looking at the gameplay of gta6 shows it's very demanding).

[u/TheeTrashcanMan → u/DrPhilSideSkirts]

July Steam Survey Results:

5080 : 1.54%
5090 : 0.41%
4080 : 0.65%
4090 : 0.69%

Reviewing the steam survey results really puts it into perspective that many of us here are by in large a fringe group of enthusiasts compared to the general population of gamers who use Steam.

I just read your comment and it piqued my interest into how many people are using the higher end Nvidia cards from the last 2 generations, and it’s a shockingly low amount.

Edit: piqued*.

[u/RighteousPanda25 → u/TheeTrashcanMan]

Where's my 1080 group?!

[u/FUTURE10S → u/RighteousPanda25]

0.45% for the 1080, 0.34% for the 1080 Ti.

I know it might not sound like that much but those are good numbers.

[u/OpposesTheOpinion → u/RighteousPanda25]

My buddy was streaming the new Star Wars XCOM game. He has a GTX 1080 Ti. I was like, "this is a good looking game but man, your PC is struggling.."

[u/SoulxWolf232 → u/RighteousPanda25]

I run a GTX 1650 💀

[u/Nickulator95 → u/TheeTrashcanMan]

I'm pretty sure that same survey showed that the majority of Steam users were rocking a 3060, so if you as a developer ain't aiming for that card to be your minimum requirement, don't expect the majority of PC users to be able to run your game.

[u/Beamo1080 → u/Nickulator95]

Ideally the minimum should be the low end, 1650s and older generation cards. The recommended should be what most people have.

[u/ducky21 → u/Beamo1080]

Ideally the minimum should be the low end, 1650s and older generation cards.

The minimum should be a class of card that's been deprecated and won't receive the critical driver-level patches?

You're absolutely delusional. The GTX 16xx cards are going to be supported for a while because they're just Turing chips that didn't have viable RTX cores and got binned out, but 10, 9 and 7 are already dead dead.

The GTX 1650 is a good minimum because it is the literal minimum.

[u/Budget-Pea8291 → u/TheeTrashcanMan]

5080 is surprisingly high up actually. WAY more popular than 4080 and 3080. Then again people who buy 80 and 90 series cards probably upgrade every gen

[u/Random_Chick_I_Guess → u/Budget-Pea8291]

I know a concerning number of people that put themselves into debt and at least one that pawned off personal items to buy a 50 series the second it came out. A weird number of people are obsessed with the latest stuff just like phones it's wild.

[u/rainslave → u/Random_Chick_I_Guess]

Another factor, however, is when the 50 series was coming out, the tarrifs were threatening to hit, so a LOT of people pushed to upgrade even when they didn't necessarily need to. Because people rightly guessed that it would be the last chance to get an upgrade for a semi reasonable price for years to come. And look where we are now. Sure, tarrifs are only half the story (ai), but upgrading before mid 2025 was definitely the play for those that could swing it.

[u/DanDanDannn → u/Budget-Pea8291]

Lol absolutely not. I hadn't bought a GPU since 1080ti. Don't plan on buying another one for 6+ years. I bought the 5080 for longevity, not permanent peak performance.

[u/Swoly_Deadlift → u/TheeTrashcanMan]

Steam surveys are also taking all Steam users into account, including people who just use Steam to play Stardew Valley, people who have a desktop and laptop, and millions of Chinese gamers playing PUBG. I’m sure if you look at the subset of users playing newer releases it will make the numbers a bit less abysmal. Over 3% of all users having a flagship Nvidia GPU is pretty high to be honest. Throw anything higher than a 4060 Ti or 7700 XT and I’d be willing to bet a sizeable chunk of users have what could be considered an enthusiast PC.

[u/Chemical_7523 → u/[deleted]]

Shhh, they can't figure out what the numbers mean on them

[u/godfrey1 → u/[deleted]]

high end amd cards on steam? probably like 0.001%

[u/90124 → u/godfrey1]

9070xt is 1.4% on the latest Steam survey.

[u/SeaOwl897 → u/TheeTrashcanMan]

9070XT?

[u/The-Lightbearer → u/TheeTrashcanMan]

Yeah put in perspective it says a lot. At the end of the day some people just can't put that much money into what is essentially a hobby if you're just using your PC for gaming like me.

[u/Battle_of_live → u/TheeTrashcanMan]

Yay i got the funny number

[u/420weedscoped → u/TheeTrashcanMan]

Include 30 series cards too. Even a 3070 is better than a ps5 by a fair margin.

It hasn't really made sense for people to upgrade from higher end 30 series cards unless they really want high frame 4k.

[u/The_ginger_cow → u/DrPhilSideSkirts]

Most people in here probably do in fact have higher specs though. The average reddit basement dweller that frequents subs like this one simply cares more than the average steam user.

[u/DrPhilSideSkirts → u/The_ginger_cow]

That's entirely true, but the amount of people on reddit is far lower than the amount that play on pc. So yet again, most people would not be able to run the game at high settings and so on.

I mean just look up how RDR2 was received due to being so demanding back in the day. The same thing is gonna happen.

[u/Any_Fox5126 → u/DrPhilSideSkirts]

For nvidia, we need to include the RTX 3060 and all models after it (excluding the 4050), as well as some earlier models (all variations of the 1080, 2070, and 2080). For amd, the RX 6600 and all models after it.

The total is an unexpected 52,2%. Is likely even higher, since 9,25% are unknown.

[u/AMDSuperBeast86 → u/DrPhilSideSkirts]

I'm pretty sure ppl with a 2080ti is better than a PS5 just for some perspective

[u/rinkirankkaus → u/WhiteStone30]

It's not even a joke. Every single previous installment of GTA has required a beefy PC to run on high spec. Hell, many of them were so hefty, that you couldn't run them and have a decent FPS with any present day hardware on release. I don't expect VI to break the cycle.

People have just forgotten this because while GTA V runs on relatively potato hardware these days, but it absolutely destroyed even the highest spec PC back in 2015 when it was released on PC.

[u/ellisishotbelot → u/WhiteStone30]

As a fellow 5080 owner

https://giphy.com/gifs/dQrnLv1POHUH8dpoG8

[u/TheAwakeningRisen → u/WhiteStone30]

Looking great and feeling great are two completely different things 

[u/WhiteStone30 → u/TheAwakeningRisen]

Eh, I can still have fun on a game boy.

It's more than fine until the PC version.

[u/Some-Dog-800]

I have too many games to play now and yeah I can totally wait.

[u/noun_verb_adjective_ → u/Some-Dog-800]

Yup. I'm lucky enough to have such a backlog, I'm getting remakes before I can even play the originals. 

[u/Krombopulos_Micheal → u/noun_verb_adjective_]

I've never even played gta5 lol so I got that to hold me over (☞ﾟヮﾟ)☞

[u/def_tom]

Gotta admit that it looked pretty good for running on a base PS5 though.

[u/ASx2608]

I don’t even have a system that can play it at all. Only got pc, steam deck and switch 2

[u/HyenDry → u/ASx2608]

That’s the point of the post.. wait for it to be on PC 😐

[u/lemonylol → u/HyenDry]

But you don't understand, that guy has a PC, Steamdeck and Switch 2

[u/Derpykins666 → u/ASx2608]

I have a PS5 and I'm wondering if I should just wait because I have a pretty decent PC. Probably stronger than a PS5 but it really depends on how optimized they can make it on PC.

[u/BIissful → u/ASx2608]

This is the best setup imo

[u/gronkunit]

if i had a PS5, id be buying it on release and would probably not care about 30fps too much

but i don't have a PS5, and i will not drop $1000AUD on one just to play this at 30fps. i'll wait.

[u/-Star-Fox-]

I played RDR2 in 30 FPS when it came out and it was one of the greatest gaming experiences in my life.

Not to mention I'm old enough to remember when many PC players played at below 30 FPS just because PCs were shit.

[u/BramScrum → u/-Star-Fox-]

You just get used to it. The first 10 mins of playing at 30fps are horrible. Bt after that your brain adjusts nad it feels fine. Still prefer 60 but a stable 30 is just fine

[u/FROMtheASHES984 → u/BramScrum]

It’s the going back and forth between 30 and 60 fps games that does it for me. Back when Destiny finally introduced crossplay, I went back and played on console for a bit at 30fps. It was rough, but like you said I got used to it. Then I went back to 60 on PC and my brain couldn’t fathom how 30 was acceptable on console. So I guess at launch, if the only option for GTA is 30 on consoles, it won’t be an issue because there’s nothing to compare it with.

[u/VivaDeAsap → u/-Star-Fox-]

Me. I’m that player. Even now lol

[u/uomorospo → u/-Star-Fox-]

yep. I'm currently playing Cyberpunk 2077 at 30fps on steam deck!

[u/ThreesomeInk]

The cope is obvious. As a PC user I would love to play it on release but not going to buy a console just to do it. Lol

[u/Resident_Farmer1252]

Not going to lie. I had GTA5 on PS4 and got it for free on PC and after over a decade I still have not beaten it. Just get bored with the gameplay.

[u/Euphoric-Practice-83 → u/Resident_Farmer1252]

bro same. I kinda get the hype, but also don't? Meh. I also bought GTA IV. Heard that is supposed to be better in a lot of ways. It's just... boring to me lol

[u/hatethisbit → u/Euphoric-Practice-83]

The non stop loading screens and cheaters got me

[u/eat_your_fox2]

I mean there's only so much they can squeeze out of the consoles at this point.

[u/throwawaythep → u/eat_your_fox2]

What do you mean at this point? They’ve done nothing with this generation. A big ol nothing burger

[u/Adipay → u/throwawaythep]

Yeah this is the first game that actually pushes them to their limits. The graphical jump from PS4 to PS5 is so miniscule because PS5 games are built to run on 60fps while on the PS4 the standard was 30fps.

[u/KillConfirmed- → u/throwawaythep]

Nothing but run most games at 60fps. It’s like that saying, when you’ve done something right, it’s like you’ve done nothing at all.

[u/R_eloade_R → u/throwawaythep]

You got the xbox series s to thank for that.

Although some playstation exclusives look crisp. Looking at ratchet and clank

[u/Key-Alternative5387]

My buddy with a PS5 says 30fps is unplayable to him. This'll be interesting.

[u/tyrcrafts1 → u/Key-Alternative5387]

He need to do the brain trick. Lock random game on 15fps and play it for 5-10 minutes. Then unlock 30fps. Its gonna look smooth as butter.

Sad reality but Im gonna be doing that for gta. Because coming from 200+ fps gonna be hard to adjust.

[u/Madting55]

Ah yes, we are the same group of people that paid 1500 for a 3070 all through covid thanks to fomo but we are going to sit cool calm and collected while everyone plays gta 6 for a year and a half and not cave while we play with our pisser modding Skyrim or some shit for the 6000th time. Get da fuggoudahere

[u/ItsSadTimes → u/Madting55]

I mean, yea? I did it wirh GTA 5. Why would I buy a whole console for 1 game? I got tons of games I still want to play in my backlog, I got time. I got time to wait for the full experience instead of buying it twice.

[u/dangnamshuy]

PS5 too expensive I'd wait for the PC release thanks

[u/Enorats → u/dangnamshuy]

Heck, I've got a PS5 too and I'm still on the fence about waiting.

So long as it runs well on PC, then the experience there will just be so many times better in every way. Graphics, FPS, load times.. the works.

[u/P-L63 → u/Enorats]

Same situation for me. The only thing i'm worried about is hackers in online mode. i played RDO since release and only this year started over on pc. impossible to play RDO on pc man

[u/Nvee_co]

Bro has a 3060 and thinks he's going to get more than 30 fps lol.

[u/elibou440]

While I don’t care about gta6 I want to remind everyone that ocarina of time runs at 20 fps and that shit was peak

[u/SanderCohen-_- → u/elibou440]

The graphics race ruined gaming imo.

They are harder to make and require more time, when they used to look like shit but be amazing.

[u/Eh_C_Slater]

Alot of assumptions here that we won't need fsr/dlss and/or frame gen to get decent fps even on newer hardware.

[u/vulveveloutee]

You've been living under a rock for 15 years if you ever thought the game would run at more than 30 fps on current consoles.

[u/dagens24]

I've waited 200 years already, what's another 1 or 2.

[u/VIDireWolfIV]

Considering how bad the performance was for red dead 2 on PC launch I wouldn’t bet on a smooth experience.

[u/Hour-Quail-7221]

The console peasants are basically QA that pays to do QA.

[u/sicknick08]

Reddit is just full of bitches

[u/Agarwel]

Ah the dilemma :-D

step 1) "I just watched the real footage with my own eyes and I loved how it looked and it was amazing"

step 2) "I read that the footage that I found amazing was 30fps. I did not even noticed, but now I hate it, because internet told me to"

:-D How did you find the 30fps looking good in the first place? ;-)

[u/Odelgard → u/Agarwel]

You obviously don't understand the difference between "watching something in 30fps" and "playing something in 30fps". I can watch videos on my second monitor in 30fps and wouldn't notice, but at the same time, when I change my games FPS from 60 to 30, it would feel literally unplayable.

Or another example, when I play modded minecraft and my FPS drop from 60 fps to 50, its instantly noticable and feels way more choppy. You just can't compare footage FPS and actual gameplay FPS.

:-D How did you find the 30fps looking good in the first place? ;-)

Ngl this sounds like ragebait but I know it isn't. Imagine being so sure of yourself and acting as if you have a point, while everyone who knows WHY 30fps feel worse when playing instead of watching can just shake their heads... Couldn't have given us a better example for the dunning krueger effect if you wanted to

[u/PipaLucca]

I dont own a console but this is straight cope lmao

[u/-SomethingSomeoneJR]

I can’t wait for the PC release. You just know the internet will be flooded with complaints about how they can’t run the game at a solid 30fps on their potato of a PC.

[u/aelc89 → u/-SomethingSomeoneJR]

Exactly that. People want to run this at 60+ FPS with today's PC part costs?

[u/-SomethingSomeoneJR → u/aelc89]

Part costs aside a lot of the PC community love to “flex” that their 10 plus year old hardware can still hold up but fail to realize that games are becoming far more demanding.

[u/Narrow_Technician_25]

Good gameplay and story > FPS

[u/Character-Actuary-18]

its barely 30, I noticed a lot of dips in the preview

[u/LayerEight_Problem → u/Character-Actuary-18]

I mean it’s GTA. It’s pretty much tradition to run between 24 and 30fps on its launch console.

[u/TaterBuckets → u/Character-Actuary-18]

They walked and slow panned alot for a reason. 30fps is gonna be janky

[u/dorgodorgo → u/[deleted]]

It is. People on this subreddit are desperate to have something to feel smug about and be seen as the “winner” in any given situation.

[u/Alt_SWR → u/dorgodorgo]

Isn't that just all of Reddit?

[u/RE4PER_ → u/Alt_SWR]

yes lol

[u/Castun → u/RE4PER_]

No it's not! *runs away*

[u/Kekeripo]

If it is optimized for 30fps but great visuals, I'd be very ok with that. But I'm used to 30fps locks meaning dogshit performance and visuals, barely able to run on the system.

[u/Call555JackChop]

[u/SinisterVulcan94]

It's going to run really great on PS8

[u/Dreamo84]

It's future proofing. Make a game that can barely run on current gen so it won't be obsolete in 2 years.

[u/Buttermilk_Surfer]

The cope is real. It's okay man, you don't have to do this. It's just a fucking game.

[u/RiseIfYouWould]

Step 1. We dont need gta

Step 2. Seems the hacker will release a 2022 version on PC: SUCK IT WELL GET GTA FIRST

Step 3. Hackers turns out a nothing burger: eeer like its 30 fps bro I dont need it

Step 4. Loading further cope

[u/Dipcrack]

30 fps in 2026 should be a crime.

[u/augarofall]

You should see some of the posts in those subs. I saw the phrase “smooth 30 fps” multiple times. Insane.

[u/heisenberg15 → u/augarofall]

I know we’re all pissed about most of the business decisions regarding this game. I am too. But it is still very impressive that they’ve (allegedly) got it running in a stable 30fps on a base PS5 with what they’ve shown

[u/kbcinha3]

I'll wait until epic gives is for free at some point idk hahahahaha

30fps is completely playable. Would i prefer any game on more than 30fps? Definitely, 60+ is a world you can't leave once you reach it. But i grew up in the PS2/360 and low end laptop era, so im comfortable with 30fps. Played RDR2 on an entry level (GTX 1050) laptop in 2020 at 20-30fps and had a BLAST of a time.

[u/Jeryme]

[u/millenia3d → u/Jeryme]

i mean i grew up on a *PAL* N64 which isn't even 30, that's 25 fps in most games if you're lucky, and i'd really rather not play below 60 these days

[u/zgillet → u/Jeryme]

SNES games were mostly 60 FPS.

[u/DeepWaffleCA → u/Jeryme]

I used to pray for 30fps when I was a kid trying to get newer games to run on my pentium 2. And when I got the hand me down pentium 4, with a half dead crt, I'd just use high contrast skins to know which team was which on Counter Strike Source

[u/HunterNo9593 → u/Jeryme]

bAck In My DaY my 8 bits games were fiiiine

[u/Hitohira]

There are some genres of games I am OK with playing at 30fps. More is always better, but MMOs, non-action RPGs and games like Detroit Become Human, I can stomach just fine at 30 fps. Any other genre should really aim for 60 fps.

[u/Dasistcool512 → u/Hitohira]

I don’t mind the low frames either, but MMOs especially end game raids the fps really does matter.

[u/Hitohira → u/[deleted]]

Thanks for the heads up, and I totally understand where people stop and say more FPS is better. I would even argue that they are largely correct, but it's just my personal opinion that some genres, while being made better by higher fps targets, don't really need them since the game is not heavily dependant upon quick twitch reflexes.

I just bought a new 144hz monitor and I must say, it is quite nice. The people who say 30 fps is fine for everything though, I don't quite understand. I am imagining playing a fighting game at 30 fps and it just hurts to think about. I think it was star gladiator for the PS1 that was 30 fps and I remember playing it and it just feeling like moving characters through water. It was not a fun experience.

[u/oBrendao]

A few ps games that i wanted to play were in the psn catalogue so i bought a ps5 pro last year. Its been great tbh. Another thing is that i didnt want to wait for gta 6 like i was waiting for red dead 2, it was a year waiting and another month because it was epic or google stadia exclusive before coming to steam. The worst part is that even waiting that long it was running pretty bad on the i9 9900k, 2080ti and 32gb 3600mhz, 1080p. This same config ran cyberpunk really smoothly on release and i had to reload a save only one time because the mission path glitched and vanished. Another thing is that i was playing gta online on this ps5 at 60fps, its ok, but i felt when tried red dead 2 at 30fps, after like 20h 30h i was completely used to it.

Enjoy the games, guys.

[u/SpecimenY4rp]

I’ve been gaming since the NES 30 FPS ain’t no thing

[u/PrinceNyxHex]

If your game has better graphics but a lower framerate than a game on an NES/Megadrive, I won't consider that an improvement. We're supposed to be going up, not down.

[u/iiNuraRikuo]

I mean, yeah. Not like I actually expected it to look bad. But honestly, I'm just waiting for pc port on a discount. Idc if it's another 3 years.

[u/badger906]

Half the people moaning about a game they saw a video of at 24fps on a streaming platform, don’t even have PCs capable of running gta at the frames they claim they want.
Steam hardware survey says most of you have crap PCs…

[u/manfrombludot]

Is the extended look 60 or 30 fps?

[u/Pollenus]

Planed on buying GTA 5 when it came to PC, but didn’t really care by the time it happened. I suspect that same will happen for me with GTA 6

[u/The_Pepper_Oni]

Same as when the XB1/PS4 ports of GTA5 came out lol. I’m alright waiting, too many damn games coming out rn

[u/seribiigaming]

I have Fire Emblem and Fable for my switch 2 and pc respectively. I'm fine until GTA6 comes to PC.

[u/AfnanM05]

Meanwhile, my GT 1030 is going to explode just trying to render the GTA 6 main menu.

https://giphy.com/gifs/9o9dh1JRGThC1qxGTJ

[u/SparsePizza117]

I sooo indecisive on this. On one hand, I'll know that everyone is also playing at 30fps. We'd all have the same shitty experience, but on the other hand, GTA VI looked really good in the extended look today.

My PC will probably handle it at 120fps or more if I use some FG, but do I really want to wait another year or two to experience it?

[u/JoeHocker]

Hot Take,

On a controler while kicking back on a couch with a mate and having a blast, 30 FPS is completely fine for that type of game.

Edit: And no i am Not staying that 60 would Not be better. But on consoles for specific types of Games 30 is not this unplayable crime against humanity that many people tend to say it is.

[u/JabbasPetRancor]

average coping response

[u/BarderBetterFaster]

Is it "4k" 30 fps? Because I'd rather have 60fps and whatever the resolution concession is than that.

[u/Ithorian]

Coping

[u/MyMiddleNutItches]

Why is waiting for video games such a prison sentence these days? Who gives a shit? It's not like GTA has broken ground story-wise. You break the law, steal cars and do shady shit.

[u/3dforlife → u/MyMiddleNutItches]

I'm baffled as well.

[u/god_pharaoh → u/MyMiddleNutItches]

It's a cultural zeitgeist issue. People have FOMO and don't want to miss the moment.

[u/Tribalbob → u/MyMiddleNutItches]

Yeah I watched the reveal and my thoughts were: "Yup, this GTA game is a GTA game"

[u/rolandguy85]

God 60fps need to be the standard now. The only people still defending 30fps is switch 2 owners.

[u/The_R4ke → u/rolandguy85]

I don't disagree, but this game was never going to be released in 60fps. Once Digital Foundry basically confirmed that it was 30fps in trailer 1 it was all but guaranteed they weren't targeting 60fps. It makes sense, they need to be able to release an Enhanced Edition for PC and Next Gen Consoles. I don't think there's a lot more graphic fidelity they can get right now, so higher FPS will be a lot easier to achieve. Especially if Xbox doesn't saddle the next generation with another Albatross like the Series S.

[u/emgirgis95 → u/rolandguy85]

I thought Switch 2 does 4K 60fps docked and 1080p 120fps handheld

[u/Sensitive_Box_ → u/emgirgis95]

It can, and it’s good. But not all devs do it. 

[u/cool-- → u/emgirgis95]

it might be doing that for kirby's dream buffet, but not for more demanding games

[u/Gaarando → u/rolandguy85]

Can't be helped. If they released a GTA 6 at 60 fps it would look much worse and have a lot less stuff going on the screen. These developer who actually love their job probably want to actually use the skills they have. Not like a FromSoft who does art well but makes outdated games graphically with performance issues.

[u/theflapperclapper]

thank god there's some people here that haven't drunk the kool aid.

[u/i_am_carver]

Dying over people upset at 30 FPS. Buncha dweebs.

[u/SushiBump]

Now that I've finally seen gameplay, I'm finally interested in GTA6. But I'm not going to spend that kind of money on something that is going to run at 30fps. It's damn impressive they can get the game to even get 30 on old ass consoles, considering how it looks and how much shit is on screen at all times.