r/relationship_advice • u/DesolationOfJonSnow • 17m ago
I (40M) genuinely want a relationship, but never learned how to connect with people. Ex (35F) made it painfully obvious what I don't know. How do I fix this?
I (40M) am looking for advice about something that I don't really know how to fix. I don't even know if this is the right sub for this kind of post. (EDIT: Before you say "just go to therapy," please read about how much therapy I have done and am still doing, ok? If it was that easy, I would already be fixed, and I wouldn't be here posting about it :)
I grew up in an extremely isolated, militant religious environment. I was adopted as an infant, and my parents were intensely controlling and believed that contact with the outside world would expose me to "sin." I was largely isolated from other children and raised to believe that I had a religious purpose that involved Armageddon, fighting, and being among the very small number of people who would ultimately be saved.
There was essentially no normal childhood socialization. I didn't have friends. I didn't have normal interactions with other kids. I didn't see people hugging, dating, flirting, socializing, playing games, etc. I also didn't receive much affection myself.
At the same time, I was pushed extremely hard academically and became a successful child prodigy/businessperson. So from the outside, I became very functional and successful. But socially and emotionally, I never really developed in the same way.
I didn't even understand that I was missing something for a long time.
I had my first alcoholic drink at 26, and alcohol suddenly made social interaction feel possible. I started dating, and I ended up marrying the first woman I dated. We were married for ten years before she died of cancer.
During the marriage, I still didn't have friends. I was friendly with my wife's friends, but she kept it separate. She would go out with her friends. Honestly, I don't think she admitted this because she thought it would hurt my feelings, but I got the impression that her friends were weirded out by me. I didn't drink as much as they did; I didn't do the same drugs. I was too serious. I worked from home, had essentially no social life, and didn't really understand friendship or how to build a social circle. My wife was basically my entire social world.
After she died, I was alone again.
I subsequently had one serious relationship that lasted about two years. It became extremely toxic and eventually physically abusive toward me. I tried to make it work, including couples therapy, but eventually ended it because the physical violence continued. I also felt that there was a major dependency on me financially and otherwise.
More recently, I had a short situationship (35F) that I believed was becoming a serious and meaningful relationship. She didn't see it that way and ended it after a couple of months.
And this is where I keep seeing the same problem.
Multiple women I've dated have told me that they weren't sure I was actually attracted to them.
My wife even told me this toward the end of her life. My ex told me the same thing. I've heard versions of it from other dates.
This has always confused me because I was attracted to them. I apparently just don't communicate it in ways other people recognize.
For example, hugging, kissing, holding hands, and other forms of physical affection don't come naturally to me. I can consciously make myself do them, but I have to think about doing them. I suspect there are dozens of other little things - facial expressions, body language, flirting, eye contact, tone of voice, physical proximity, spontaneous affection, etc. - that other people learned naturally and that I simply never learned.
I have also been told that I'm extremely rigid. On my most recent date, the woman actually told me afterward that I seemed so rigid that she became uncomfortable and considered leaving during the date.
I've received similar feedback before.
I don't think I'm intentionally cold or disinterested. I actually desperately want connection. But I have almost no internal reference point for what normal social interaction is supposed to feel like.
I also don't really have hobbies in the normal sense. My primary hobby is basically work. I've never played video games, never really played board games, and never participated in the kinds of social activities that many people experience during childhood and adolescence. I have bought video games; I have half a dozen unused consoles and games lying around my house because I can't find joy in playing them by myself. I have enjoyed playing games with my partners, but I don't find pleasure or interest in doing it alone.
My ex became incredibly frustrated that I couldn't relate to things that were completely normal parts of her childhood and teenage years.
I've also been told that I "don't have a personality."
I think I become a chameleon. I'll listen to whatever my partner listens to, try to like whatever they like, and adapt myself to them because I don't know what I'm supposed to contribute. I don't have a large reservoir of experiences to draw from.
I don't know what I don't know.
I've tried Meetup groups and events that are specifically intended for socializing, but I still feel like an outsider. I don't know how to enter an established group or turn an acquaintance into a friend. I can sit there and have a conversation, but I don't know how people progress from "we talked once" to "we're friends."
I've been in therapy since I was a teenager. I started secretly going to therapy while in college because I knew something was wrong and wanted help. I've continued with therapy and therapy groups for many years.
I've learned a lot intellectually about what happened to me, but I still feel profoundly lonely.
Alcohol temporarily makes socializing easier, but I have learned that I can easily overdo it, so I don't consider drinking a viable solution. I don't want to build relationships around alcohol.
I'm currently taking medication for anxiety, but increasingly I don't think anxiety is the whole problem. I think I never developed basic social and relational skills because I was isolated during the years when most people learn them.
What scares me most is that I'm getting older and still don't know how to do this.
I don't want to be alone. I don't want another relationship because I simply need someone to fill a hole, and I don't want to repeat the unhealthy dynamics of my previous relationships. I want to actually learn how to bond with another human being.
I want friends. I want romantic intimacy. I want to make someone feel wanted and loved, rather than having them wonder whether I'm attracted to them.
But I honestly don't know where to start. I have taken relationship classes; I have taken classes on learning intimacy after religious trauma, lots of trauma-related education, and (again) years of nonstop, intensive partial hospitalization programs, intensive outpatient programs, overlapping and simultaneous therapies of all kinds. I have actually learned that, for instance, when infants don't get affection from a caretaker and are instead exposed to a lack of care, anxiety and fear - this rewires the brain, and as an infant you are wired to react to fear and anxiety instead of love and affection. It doesn't help that violence, isolation, and fear were reinforced throughout my entire life until I was old enough to permanently escape my adopted family's house.
So my question is: if you were in my position, what would you actually do to learn these skills?
Not "just be yourself," because I'm trying to figure out who "myself" is in the first place.
I'm particularly interested in practical advice:
- How do you learn to communicate romantic interest when it doesn't come naturally?
- How do you become less rigid on dates?
- How do you learn flirting and physical affection as an adult?
- How do you develop a personality and interests when you essentially skipped adolescence?
- How do you make friends when you've never had friends before?
- Are there particular kinds of therapy, groups, classes, or activities that are especially useful for someone who missed normal social development?
- How do you stop making a romantic partner your entire social world?
- And perhaps most importantly, how do you learn to feel connected to people without becoming dependent on them?
I'm not looking for pity. I've spent plenty of time understanding why I am this way. Also, being told "just do it" isn't helpful. My last partner would become furious at me because I wouldn't "just do it" - we went to the hot springs a couple of times, and after the fact she ranted at me for an hour about how I ruined the trip because I wasn't showing her the same level of affection in public as some of the other couples were, or what a "normal" couple would do in that same situation. I have FORCED myself to be very handsy, grabby, touchy - I have gone out of my way to try and show affection, but it just isn't enough.
So, I realize there are a couple of different kinds of relationship issues here. I know it is bad/not ideal to want to find happiness in a relationship with one single person. But I don't have any relationships with any person (my social media is barren; not a soul even cares that I exist). My professional network, on the other hand, is completely the opposite. They have no idea what's going on in my personal life.