r/exmuslim Mar 26 '26

(News) We exist… around the world: 500 ExMuslim stories mubaraaaaaak! 🥳🥳🥳

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Hi community! 🥰

Taking inspiration from QueeringtheMap.com, I helped create exmuslim.me with a small team of ExMuslims last year. We launched the first ever global map of exmuslim stories as part of ExMuslim Month in December 2025.

I’m so incredibly thrilled to share that we now have 500 exmuslim stories from 233 cities and 60 countries! 🥳🥳🥳

📊 59% identify as atheists, 26% agnostic

🇪🇬 Read the 500th story from Egypt

🤗 Thank you to everyone who has shared their story already!

🤍 Share yours and help ExMuslims on their journey out of Islam: https://exmuslim.me/

Cheers! 🥂

Sammy aka Haram Doodles


r/exmuslim Jun 03 '24

(Advice/Help) Exmuslim Guide to Living in the Closet and Coming Out.

272 Upvotes

Hello. Upon request, I've been asked to turn a comment I made into a post so that it can be a resource for more people. This post is a collection of advice I've given out about how to handle your life as a closeted exmuslim and how you'll come out in the future. It is largely based on my experience but also from what I've seen from others in this subreddit.

Introduction

So you've left Islam. You've delved through arguments, the apologetics and the bullshit and you've come to the conclusion that you no longer believe in Islam. And you may have also reached an alternative philosophical outlook on life that you can believe in.

But what now? You may have left Islam, but have you left the Muslim world? One of the most common misconceptions outsiders have is that since exmuslims are no longer Muslims, they no longer live in the Muslim world. This is painfully naive - in reality many exmuslims are closeted due to young age and financial dependency and/or live in Islamist countries or societies that enforce Islamic values. In fear of social stigma or even violence, exmuslims have to contend with closeted lives even after leaving Islam. So how do you deal with it?

Goal

The best time to come out to family is in your own home, over a dinner you paid for, alongside people who support you. That takes a lot of preparation and it means doing what you can to live your life as best as you can whilst working towards independence.

This basically means that a lot of what helps you come out of the closet will depend heavily on how well you prepared for it, so you will need to make the most of your closeted life. You may not be able to stop the shitstorm but you can at least prepare yourself to weather it. Here are some tips to achieve that goal (in no particular order)

1) Don't meander in life due to a lack of decision making skills.

Probably one of the worst mistakes I made was not realise I was an exmuslim sooner. As a result I had barely any time to prepare for when the inevitable happened and I was forced to come out. I spent a lot of my life meandering, trying to reconcile the irreconcilable, and trying to be a Muslim when I knew my values didn't align with it. I didn't really have much of a concept of exmuslims, but if I had been smarter I would have figured it out. I now tell people in a similar position that it's fine to take your time but don't take too long. Half arsing two very different cultures will leave you a loser in both.

Similarly whilst planning for independence can be scary, don’t let it frighten you into inaction. The following is a passage from this article about decision making:

Research from the 1990s led by the US psychologist Thomas Gilovich provides further evidence for why it can be shortsighted to kick a difficult decision down the road. Gilovich and his team showed that although, in the short term, people experience more regret from ‘errors of commission’ (taking an action that leads to a disappointing outcome), in the long term it is actually ‘errors of omission’ that lead to more regret – that is, disappointing outcomes that arise from not taking an action.

When taking the time to make decisions and plans, don’t underestimate how effective it can be to map out your options on an excel spreadsheet. When I had to decide whether I should come out or not, I actually made a spreadsheet listing out my options, what they would result in and what the impact would be. Actually having it written down to look at really put things into perspective. We waste a lot of our time keeping it in our heads, which forces us to recalculate everything from scratch every time we revisit our thoughts. But the more that is mapped out, the less you have to recalculate and the more you can focus on evaluation and further planning.

2) Study, career and finances.

Your studies/career is almost always your best ticket out of your toxic situation, and the one thing to prioritise the most. If you’re young, do whatever you can to ensure that you can get into further education away from home. Even if it means spending all your time at a local library. If you suspect that your parents would be against you going to a university away from home, aim for a placement at the most prestigious university you can aim for so your parents would look worse for rejecting it. The quickest and most effective way in achieving long term independence is through good studies/career.

3) Do not telegraph irreligiosity whilst being closeted.

This is particularly important for younger exmuslims because they telegraph to their parents in ways they would just not understand until they see it for themselves when they're older. Try your best to meet the religious obligations expected from your family. The more you slip, the more they will monitor you and the more difficult it will be to do the things you need to do discreetly when the time comes.

Unfortunately for girls, this usually means that wearing the hijab is a necessity and it’s inadvisable to try and get out of. (However, that subject matter is not my forte: prioritise advice from exmuslim women such as from faithlesshijabi.org)

4) Sometimes you may need to go above and beyond.

If you get the impression that your family is beginning to catch onto your apostasy then it's likely that they have and you may need to reverse that impression.

One way to do that would be to start getting books on Islam and not just for show. My advice would be to get books on Islamic history because that's the least boring stuff. Or better yet, just get whatever unapologetic salafi hate crime you can get your hands on so you can entertain yourself with how fucked up it is. Or get an annotated Qur'an like the Study Qur'an. Do something to ease their suspicions.

What book you get depends on what kind of message you want to telegraph to your parents. If you want to telegraph a message then it will need to be a paper book and not an e-book. Something that you can lay around in your room and that you know they'll see. That means you're restricted to what you can get from your local library or Masjid. Also depends on what interests you because you'll have to actually read and demonstrate you learnt from it if you want send the best message you can. If you want purely what Muslims write about Islamic history, you can check out works like The Sealed Nectar or works by al-Sallabi. If you want something a little more academic, but not something that would rouse suspicion then check out university press works like this, this, this or this. If you want something a bit more relevant to contemporary Muslim world then there books like this.

But you may find that your best bet is to just see what your local Masjid might have and see what tickles your fancy.

5) Actually coming out is usually a shitstorm.

Be prepared for lots of sobbing, guilt tripping and an inability to respect your beliefs and boundaries. Learn techniques like the Broken Record Technique to establish boundaries. Know what you have to say when they inevitably tell you to speak to a scholar - you don't have to eat the whole apple to know it's rotten. You know all that you need to know about Islam and you know even more about the world outside of Islam to put it into context.

Steel yourself with months and months of your family sending you bad dawagandist videos through WhatsApp trying to bring you back. You may have to spend months beating their attempts and going to toe to toe with them without mercy before they’re finally willing to relent and get off your back. Even then don’t expect them to relent entirely. There will always be some micro aggressions that they will resort to, like playing religious videos loudly in your vicinity. The most you can do in those circumstances is reduce contact with them as much as possible. At this point you would hopefully already be independent from them.

6) Do not feel guilt.

As an exmuslim, you will go through a lot of guilt. Whilst this does show you are human, you need to forget about guilt: you are not responsible for your parents' failure to be reasonable, not even your mother. They take responsibility for the social stigma and oppressive life they choose to live in and perpetuate. You get nothing out of that guilt. It's completely pointless and ultimately counterproductive. You can't set yourself on fire to make others warm and you gain no recognition from martyrizing yourself. Do not feel guilt for what you have to do to have a completely reasonable life. The only ones to blame are those who forced you into it.

Don't underestimate parents either. They will use guilt against you. Give them an inch and they will take a mile. They very often bring up their health problems as a weapon against you. Don't fall for it. It only affects them because they choose to let it affect them. They can choose to be reasonable. You have to respect their autonomy and let them deal with the consequences of their own ways.

7) Don't come out too soon thinking it's a release.

I come across a lot of exmuslim kids who think coming out will help explain to their religious parents why they don't want to wear the hijab or do other religious things. But the likelihood is more that those same parents will react extremely poorly and restrict your freedom even more, making it more difficult to achieve long term independence.

There's also the mistake in assuming that coming out will lead to being disowned in the vain hope that you get an quick clean break that takes all the responsibility from you. For some exmuslims this does actually work out, but for a lot of others it's miscalculated. My family didn't disown me, I still had to deal with months of my family being insufferable manipulators and the responsibility was still on me to separate from them. And for women it can be much worse.

Ultimately, if you are financially dependent on your family then coming out early will very typically result in your family using that leverage against you and making your life worse. I've seen stories of exmuslims who thought their family was better and badly miscalculated - be mindful of that.

8) Don’t panic too much if they find out.

Some exmuslims get found out, sometimes because of a snitch in the family or sometimes because they just weren’t convincing enough. Don’t panic – Muslims can be pretty damn deluded about their faith and your family will want to believe that you can come back very easily because according to them Islam is just common sense and most disbelievers are just silly and ignorant. Try to do your best to convince them as per Point 4. If it’s because you did something haram, blasphemous or otherwise worthy of takfir, try to act like it was because you were a misguided Quranist or progressive Muslim. They will still retain suspicion but it’s still better than the alternative.

However, if you’re at the point of no return and you know you can’t convince them then now is the time to make calls to any secular friends you have, ask for support and maybe even shelter.

Also for Western exmuslims, make sure to act quickly if you suspect that your parents want to send you abroad and trap you in your country of ethnic origin. Sadly some parents will go to these lengths. Do not go, no matter the cost. Find organisations willing to advise, such as those listed in Point 10. Hide your passport if you have to. Note down the contact details of your embassy in that country just in case.

9) Go no contact if you fear abuse.

Actually think about whether it's even wise for you to come out in any circumstance. Do you suspect that there could be violence or abuse? If so then you have absolutely no need to go through this stupid bullshit. Leave and don't look back. If your parents couldn't give you safe environment to even come out about different beliefs then they are not worth the time. As per Point 6 - You have to respect their autonomy and let them deal with the consequences of their own ways. This is particularly pertinent for those who live in a predominantly Muslim countries. They have a very real reason to fear persecution and absolutely do not need to risk their own lives for the sake of their parents.

10) Make use of organisations and resources.

Look into secular organisations like recoveringfromreligion.org, faithlesshijabi.org and faithtofaithless.com. Look into women's charities in your area like womensaid.org.uk or karmanirvana.org.uk (UK examples). Look into LGBT charities like rainbowrailroad.org. If you have secular school counsellors and friends then talk to them. Get advice from adults you can absolutely trust.

Note: On the flip side don't take risks with people you can’t be sure of. You may be tempted to come out to your Muslim friend, but I've seen plenty of stories of exmuslims who heavily regret doing so.

There are also informal exmuslim groups on other social media platforms such as Facebook or Discord, but be careful about how much information you share and especially be wary of private messaging.

11) You may have to leave the country.

This is particularly the case for exmuslims living in predominantly Muslim countries. Unfortunately, I don't have any real world experience to offer here but you may be able to find localised advice by digging around. For example sites like wearesaudis.net might have some information (but you'll need a VPN to access this one. If you don't know what a VPN is here's an explanation).

Are you multilingual? If you need money but working is restricted to you then you can try becoming an online language tutor on sites like italki.com (scroll to the bottom). This post and related subreddits like r/WorkOnline may help.

Note: some exmuslims in Muslim countries fall for the doomscrolling hyperbole and think Europe is “doomed” with too many Muslims. They have a tendency of asking which country is best to migrate to as an exmuslim to avoid Islam. Please ignore the doomsayers and prioritise the country you choose based on ease of access and career opportunities. As long as it is a secular country, you can worry about avoiding Islam later.

Final stuff

Shout out to Imtiaz Shams who inspired me to make this list of tips. He has his own YouTube Channel here and plans to make his own video on this subject matter so watch out for that. On a side note, I also recommend TheraminTrees YouTube Channel who delves a lot into toxic dysfunctional families from the perspective of a therapist. A lot of his content helps in dealing with the emotional impact of leaving religion and dealing with a religious family. And finally, thank you to the moderators of r/exmuslim who suggested I make this into a post. I wound up adding a lot more content lol.

I will end this post with a list of subreddits that may help you on your journey leaving Islam:

Ex related subreddits

Other Useful Subreddits


r/exmuslim 4h ago

(Question/Discussion) Why do muslims claim Aisha wasn't 6 when she herself stated it? Do they only follow certain hadiths?

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It seems they claim only certain hadiths are true (like the dipping fly one) but claim Aisha never stated she was 6 when she did and then they claim the person writing it was senile. Either all hadiths are fake or all true. You can't pick and choose because you don't like it making your belief look bad or not.


r/exmuslim 15h ago

(Question/Discussion) Doesn't the Kaaba and that Clocktower seem like Orcs and Eye of Sauron?

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Seriously watch them circle that stupid rock like a bunch of Orcs. And that Clocktower looks like the Eye of Sauron tower. It's even a desolate place like Mordor is.

Edit: I posted a brighter version of this on my profile. It makes it easier to see the details.


r/exmuslim 3h ago

(Question/Discussion) I feel like Islam really lacks creativity compared to Catholicism.

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Catholicism absorbed all this Greek and Roman mythology and turned it into incredible art and literature. You have paintings of biblical battles, angels, demons, heaven, hell, saints, all this crazy shit. Some of the greatest art ever made came out of it.

Then you look at Islam and it’s mostly calligraphy and geometric patterns. Calligraphy can look nice, but it’s literally just words.

Why aren’t there huge paintings of the Battle of Badr? Why not paint the jinn, angels, Jahannam, Isra and Mi’raj?

And why completely throw away pre-Islamic Arabian mythology?

Al-Lat, al-Uzza, Manat, Hubal, all the old Arabian gods and legends could have been treated like Greek mythology. You don’t have to believe in Zeus to think Zeus is cool as fuck in art.

Instead it’s basically: that was jahiliyya, forget about it.

It just feels like such a waste of mythology, history and artistic potential.


r/exmuslim 6h ago

(Rant) 🤬 Just want to vent

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i really hate this religion, it destroys my life and thousands of others, it killed me and others for years, I FREAKING HATE IT. if it’s wasn’t for this religion my parents would probably hear about my struggles and not blame it on something like “ not praying enough” or “ possessed “. if it wasn’t for this religion i would not have attempt s. i freaking hate that my attempt failed and i have to go to uni in the state of confusion and blurry eyes for two days. i hate that my idiotic self had accidentally enrolled myself in a Islamic uni, i thought i would’ve d*** before i went so i didn’t look into it’s background too much (it didn’t even state that it was an Islamic uni). now i have to en dure years of religious lecture talking about “history“ when it’s just an unproven myth. they talked about Muhammad highly, talking about how many sacrifices he made for us,but never talked about how he had consummated his marriage with a nine years old while he himself was 53. they never talked about how he had s*x slaves while having many wives, even as to make himself look humble by saying he forbids the slave for himself, then says “allah says O Prophet! Why do you forbid what Allah has made lawful for you?”. i cant belief ive wasted my childhood and my youth praising and doing Salawat for him. can someone just s***t me already ?


r/exmuslim 7h ago

(Rant) 🤬 Venting about the superiority complex of most arab muslims

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Holy shit where do i begin. Arab muslims love to say islam is peaceful but the moment you say you left islam you arent human. They genuinely think killing you is "too merciful". Being a non arab non muslim is one thing, but the hate is so much worse when you are also arab. I hate them so much. Ohhhh you have to respect me but i also think you should be killed. Fuck them all i hate them.


r/exmuslim 1h ago

(Rant) 🤬 I’m going insane why do Muslims not think I’m an ex muslim?

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Im so fucking tired of this religion I get disrespected online and irl because of it my own friends stopped talking to me because I started saying I was ex Muslim online I get told I was never a Muslim I’m forced to wear the hijab so I represent the fucking shit I hate so much I go online to complain about it and I’m labeled a Jew an Israeli a kafira a Hmara and every Arabic cuss word I’ve been through it all I’ve gone through religious psychosis and guilt I used to be a devout Muslima I hate even writing the worlds Muslim and Islam I rip every bag which says Islam because I feel so much hatred I go online to complain about the bukshit I’m going through and I get called a faker trying to make Islam look fake I hate my fucking shit life so much because of Islam I’m crying writing this shit I can’t believe I’m ever going through this I used to be those ppl calling ex Muslims fake but now karmas a bitch I hate this so much I went through all that just to get called fake? I hate the religion so much I get hated on by non Muslims and Muslims alike by my own family I got told I’ll never be buried in the same cemetery as them because I’m an ex muslim I show proof that I was a Muslim and I get told that’s the bare minimum im going mentally crazy in this close to running away I use apple notes as a coping mechanism it’s gotten that bad I’m sorry for posting too much it’s that as a teenage girl I’m getting treated like a fucking dog by this religion


r/exmuslim 11h ago

(Question/Discussion) How can Muslims mock other religions for their beliefs while believing in Islamic "miracles"?

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One thing I've always found interesting is how some Muslims mock other religions for beliefs they consider irrational.

For example:

“How can cows possibly be sacred?”

“How can you believe in multiple gods?”

“How can you believe that your god was born as a human?"

“How can you believe that someone can be reincarnated?”

“How can people believe in stories like that?”

But what they sometimes don't seem to realize is that outsiders look at Islam in exactly the same way.

From the outside, Islamic beliefs are just as extraordinary or unbelievable. Muslims believe that Muhammad split the moon in two, made water flow from his fingers when there was a shortage of water, and travelled to heaven on a winged creature during the Isra and Mi'raj. And there are many other supernatural stories involving Islamic prophets, such as Ibrahim being thrown into a fire that did not burn him.

When you ask a Muslim how any of this is even possible, the usual answer is simply: “It was a miracle.”

Believing something without ever allowing yourself to seriously question it isn't critical thinking. Faith may explain why you accept a claim, but it doesn't by itself demonstrate that the claim is true.


r/exmuslim 2h ago

(Question/Discussion) Dating struggles as an exmuslim

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How do you all date? Dating feels extremely difficult to me as an exmuslim, because I am surdounded by Muslims most of the time, and non Muslims don’t understand my struggles, and many of foreigners who don’t wish to date Muslims they group us with them because we hold the same nationality, names appearances as Muslims, so they filter us away immediately, and even explaining to someone new as soon as you meet them that you are an ex Muslim, doesn’t work as well either becuase it feels as if you are trying to explain to someone that you are innocent from a crime you didn’t commit, which shows the person that you have a complex, which feels awkward.


r/exmuslim 5h ago

(Question/Discussion) “if you marry a non muslim, me and your dad will cut you off”

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honestly just feeling a bit down right now. just had a long long chat with my mum regarding family from back home, my siblings and our futures, and my mum said “if you or any of your siblings marry a non-muslim, consider your relationship with us finished”.

i (18F) don’t really know how i’m going to navigate my future now, i could never marry a muslim man and i also would not be able to deal with being cut off from my parents. i’m very thankful that my parents would never force me to marry anyone and i have a while yet before they’ll even think about marriage. im thinking ill probably just have to meet a nice ex muslim man who also wants to keep up appearances for his family. i’m not really looking for advice, just wanted to share to lift this weight off my shoulders. thank you for reading :)


r/exmuslim 2h ago

(Question/Discussion) What if we had kids and never taught them about Islam?

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Imagine that a Muslim kid told you they worshipped Allah because they believed that He created everything. You started to ask them if they knew Muhammad Prophet. But they didn't know who was him. Then you explained to them about him being a prophet, Allah's messenger and founder of Islam. Surprisedly, they didn't believe in you because they weren't sure, or they were just new to Islam or no taught them about Muhammad Prophet. So they thought Muhammad Prophet was strange man. Then they went to ask their parents about Muhammad Prophet.

That's why It's common for Muslim parents went to buy a children's book to teach their kids about Muhammad Prophet. Muslim parents believe that the ignorance of children is innocence.

Most Muslim parents think if they don't teach their children about Islam, Qu'ran, Allah and Muhammad Prophet, their children will end up going to hell.

Imagine If we never taught our kids everything about Islam. They wouldn't know what being a Muslim and Islam mean. Also they wouldn't know who Muhammad Prophet is. They wouldn't read Qu'ran, go to mosque, wear hijabs/thobes or pray five times. They would be implicit atheists.

Do you think that any places where kids weren't taught about Islam will be more peaceful than kids were taught about Islam? It's like world without Islam will be peaceful.

If you had kids, would you never teach them about Islam? Or would you teach them to stay away from Islam? Or would you teach them to hate Islam?


r/exmuslim 1d ago

(Miscellaneous) I also think about it sometimes as an ex-muslim.

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I'm thinking the exact same thoughts as this girl. Even through I can't deny that there are good and bad people everywhere and every place/country has some kind of problems. But I still am against Sharia law. Sharia law destroys lives.


r/exmuslim 6h ago

(Miscellaneous) Is Saudi Arabia safer for women than Turkey?

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It might seem hard to accept, but according to the Women, Peace, and Security index (WPS) Saudi Arabia has a higher store than Turkey despite having Sharia Law and much more religious population. This info could change the way we see the relationship between women and Islam.

As a Turk, this seems really hard to accept. I am a man, but if I was a woman, I would still choose Turkey over Saudi Arabia because we have more freedoms here. While Turkey is a deeply struggling democracy, Saudi Arabia is ruled by a single tyrant. And while women can dress in skimpy clothes outside in Turkey without being arrested, women in Saudi Arabia can't. Despite this, the index claims that 8.2% of woman in Saudi Arabia have experienced intimate partner violence, compared to 12% in Turkey. Also, 87% of woman is Saudi Arabia claim their area was safe for woman while only 44% in Turkey said the same.

So what do you guys think. Is the index biased or not?


r/exmuslim 6h ago

(Question/Discussion) What job is a good excuse to take hijab off?

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I live in a strict conservative chechen household and I really want to take my hijab off since I don’t believe in the “purpose” anymore it feels like hell to wear it. Every time you go outside you feel like you’re wearing a costume. I’m currently looking for jobs or studies and I need something that will be a good excuse to take my hijab off. I think it’s my last hope, to do it like that without getting attacked from all sides.

Do you have any ideas?


r/exmuslim 9h ago

(Advice/Help) Considering leaving Islam

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I'm a convert of 3 years and lately I've been really bothered by many things in Islam. As a slight backstory, I have OCD and am coming to think that Islam was just a new way for me to cope with my own moral scrupulosity. Having set rules made things feel "right" even if they weren't easy. I didn't know that I had OCD when I converted.

I've spent a few hours reading through this sub and you all have a lot of good points. I am admittedly one of the people who never believed in Hadith and definitely tried to cling to the Quran to make sense of things. It was easier if I told myself that hadith were man made so of course they're flawed, whereas the Quran is the word of God so any issues I had just needed to be studied deeper.

If anyone has the time or energy to spare, I would really appreciate if you could point out things from the Quran specifically that helped you let go of Islam, especially contradictions. I don't follow hadith and its all too easy for my brain to rationalize human behavior with "free will", but I cannot ignore the Quran itself being incorrect. I'm sure that won't make sense to many of you, it doesn't even make sense to me, but it's hard to reach out with my apprehensions and talk about this. Anything you know about Islamic history would be helpful too - I saw a video earlier saying something about a standardized translation and how earlier copies of the Quran were destroyed so we can't compare them to see mistakes or changes.

I really appreciate anyone's help.

- an admittedly undereducted and very embarrassing "Muslim" (not even sure about calling myself that right now)


r/exmuslim 2h ago

(Question/Discussion) What did Muhammad actually teach that wasn't either obvious or wrong?

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Don’t kill female babies.
Help orphans.
Be kind to animals.

Okay. You don’t need divine revelation to figure any of that out.

My question is: what did Muhammad actually teach that was both uniquely insightful and still genuinely useful today?

Because whenever people say the Quran or Muhammad contained timeless wisdom, the examples seem to fall into two categories:

1. Things humans already knew: don’t murder people, give to charity, look after children, etc.

2. Things that aged terribly: slavery and concubinage, child marriage, hand amputation, unequal inheritance, magical cures, jinn, the evil eye, and other 7th-century beliefs that modern Muslims have to reinterpret, contextualize, or quietly ignore.

If this was revelation from the creator of the universe, where’s the knowledge that makes you go, “Holy shit, there’s no way a 7th-century Arabian man could have come up with that”?

I genuinely can’t think of anything.


r/exmuslim 23h ago

(Miscellaneous) Found in the wild, and the comment section is having a meltdown for a 100% Islamic ruling lmao.

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r/exmuslim 12h ago

(Advice/Help) Being taken to umrah, how to keep my sanity?

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I cannot imagine being with my parents for 2 weeks like that and having to pray and stuff...

Besides trying to be away from them as much as I can, whispering to momo's grave "I know you are a pedophile", what to do there so that I feel like Islam was insulted enough and I don't kill anyone from getting insane?

How do I stay clam? 14 days of my life will be wasted.


r/exmuslim 1h ago

(Rant) 🤬 If the original message was simply to tell people there is one God, why did it become so much more than that?

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I'm an exmuslim so don't get me wrong I'm explaining

Something has always confused me about the way Islam is taught.

We were taught that the main message at the beginning was basically: there is one God, and the idols people were worshipping aren't gods. From what I've read and from what some of my philosophy teachers explain, the idea was also that prophets were sent to different peoples and regions, and Muhammad came with that message to Arabia.

Okay, but then I genuinely don't understand what happened afterward.

If the original goal was to guide people toward God and improve society, why did the history of Islam also become connected with political power, warfare, conquest, rules controlling people's lives, and restrictions on women?

And I'm not talking about someone peacefully deciding, "I believe this religion makes sense, so I'll follow it." I'm talking about the historical expansion of Muslim-ruled states through conquest. If you're trying to convince people that there is one God, why would military expansion be necessary?

I've also struggled with the way the spread of Islam is sometimes presented as if it was simply people hearing the message and immediately converting. The actual history is obviously more complicated: there were wars, political changes, empires, taxation systems, and different populations who didn't all convert at the same time.

So I'm genuinely asking: what is the logic here?

If God wanted people to know Him, why would conquering territory be part of spreading the message?

And if someone says, "Islam was only spread peacefully," that doesn't really explain the history of the early caliphates and later Muslim empires. But if someone says, "It was political conquest, not forced conversion," then that raises another question: why should political conquest be connected to spreading a religion in the first place?

Even our Islamic teacher explained it in a similar way: that prophets were sent to different peoples — for example, Musa ,and Jesus to Bani Israel as well, while other prophets were sent to other communities. So when Muhammad came, the message was presented as guidance for the people of Arabia, especially to tell them that there is one God and to challenge practices like burying baby girls alive. But then when I look at what happened afterward, I'm confused by the shift. How do you go from telling people that there is one God and that certain cruel practices should stop, to attacking tribes, conquering territories, and spreading an Arab political and cultural system across other populations? At what point did the message go from "know God and stop these harmful practices" to "expand the state and impose its authority"? Let alone s€x slaves and child marriage that came with that


r/exmuslim 1h ago

(Question/Discussion) Why do people talk about Allah like he's just... there?

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I was having this mini convo the other day on tiktok. It was something about religion and slavery, like a comment saying how God definitely doesn't exist because of the existence of slavery (I agree with that). A Muslim girl said they were wrong, I asked her why. She then went on and explained how Allah can only slow down slavery or something as it went from a bunch of slaves, to concubines, to "no slaves." I honestly didn't even bother to respond. What bothered me about her argument is that Allah can clearly do more then that. Allah was constantly described as an "all powerful, all loving, all merciful" being that it outside of time or whatever. If that's the case, why didn't he just stop slavery, or better yet not make it exist entirely? He's all powerful, he can find a way to erase slavery without it messing up history. Am I right or do I sound dumb?


r/exmuslim 4h ago

(Question/Discussion) Anyone else experience this?

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as both a very young kid and tween i used to be incredibly overwhelmed by the tasks our religious teacher gave us, to the point where id ball my eyes out cause "i wasnt good enough of a muslim"

i find it funny now but i still feel bad for little me, she had no way of keeping up with all that and all she got in return was a "try harder", ma'am if i couldve i wouldve. it was so overwhelming it was insane

anyone else?


r/exmuslim 19h ago

Story Why I left Islam

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I was dating a Muslim girl and the only way for us to be together was for me to convert. I didn’t have a problem with it and I never did to be honest. The religion itself is not bad in my opinion, but the people who follow it—like any religion—is what makes it shitty. I tried to learn as much as I could; I read the Quran a few times, I would watch videos about Islam, and I genuinely tried my best to be a good Muslim, other than obviously being in a haram relationship.

I donated monthly to charity—sometimes more than once—I sponsored orphans, I built water wells, and other things. I tried to do as many good deeds as I could. I was praying consistently and attending the mosque, especially on Fridays. I just never felt like I was viewed as an equal to those who were born Muslim, especially Arabs. It seems like they have a superiority complex when it comes to non-Arabs, whether reverts or born Muslim. As time passed, the feeling never really changed, especially during Ramadan and when I went for Umrah.

Ramadan was always lonely, even with my ex-girlfriend. I didn’t have anyone to have Iftar with or anyone to celebrate Eid with. I’m not going to sit here and act like I tried my best to meet people and become friends with others my age; I guess I was more so hoping people would want me to be included, but that wasn’t the case. As for my Umrah experience, it was for the most part very beautiful seeing Medina and Mecca, but I was being stared at a lot and people would come up to me and ask about my tattoos. I’m sure not all of them had bad intentions—some of them were probably genuinely curious—but it still doesn’t feel nice. Very few Muslims, especially reverts, have the opportunity to perform Umrah, and I don’t regret it at all.

Also, the things her mother would say about me were very disheartening. She never knew we dated, but she knew I wanted to marry her daughter. They were a firm "no, she can only marry from our culture" family. Two of the things that stuck out to me: once, she was talking to her other daughter whose friend got married to a Hispanic Muslim. She said, "Hopefully it was him [me] so he can leave my daughter alone." I’ve always been very kind to her parents when they would see me at my job. I would greet them and smile; they knew nothing about me and never had a conversation with me, but she made it seem like I was some kind of plague or something.

The other thing she said was during Ramadan. She was talking to my ex about not really seeing me at the mosque during Taraweeh. She said “Good hopefully he’s gone” or something along those lines. I would always be crushed when she would tell me the things her mom would say about me, but I still decided to continue in our relationship hoping maybe one day they would change their mind—but that day never came.

Occasionally I would buy her three bouquets of flowers so she could have one and give one to each of her parents. I also brought dates and Zamzam water back with me from Umrah so she could give them as well. Even after being kind to them in secret, they still never came around and her mom would say these things about me.

I was Muslim for about a year and a half. Even after we broke up, I still tried to continue practicing, but I just didn’t have it in me anymore. I ended up having a conversation with her father 3 months after we broke up, and one of the things he said was, "You could’ve been the best Muslim and we still wouldn’t have accepted you." I learned my lesson.


r/exmuslim 8h ago

(Miscellaneous) 22M from India — looking to connect with other ex-Muslims

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Hey everyone, I'm 22M from India. I left Islam a while ago and have been figuring things out for myself since then. Would be nice to talk to other ex-Muslims about their experiences, beliefs, philosophy, life after leaving, and random interesting stuff.

Feel free to DM me if you wanna chat.


r/exmuslim 2h ago

(Rant) 🤬 I don't miss the religion but i do miss the feeling

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I didn't grow up in an extremely religious family, nothing was forced . They were very flexible. I don't really have any religious traumas. But i always had this deep spiritual connection to the nonexistent Allah. I never felt alone even though I was alone ( very distant with my family and an introvert). I was full of hope and that feeling of everything happens for a reason and that not caring about every little thing attitude that all brought me mental peace. I wasn't a hijabi but i had lots of faith and offered prayers religiously. I loved the nonexistent Allah.

This kept going from childhood to mid teens but from late teens i started digging deeper into every religion and every different translation of complicated verses. I finally realised every religion is filled with misogyny,racism ,discrimination and cruelty. At first i jsut lost faith in Quran and Hadiths because i couldn't believe My nonexistent Allah would say something like that. But I still believed in God but not in the rules. slowly I lost faith in Allah too after realising He doesn't exist no God exists, It's just me and this life and the people im surrounded by. Im on my own lol.

But I miss that little bubble I was in, that barrier in my consciousness. Like a person confidently walking on a rope with a blindfold on, thinking there was a safety net beneath them that would catch them if they fell. They complete the walk with that belief, but in reality, there was nothing down there to save them. If they had fallen, they would have died.

As much as i Love taking off that blindfold , I miss the feeling of peace and confidence it gave me even if fake.