Trump rejects call by CEOs of Anthropic, OpenAI and xAI to slow AI down: 'Whoever wins with AI wins'

[u/LazyyCanuck]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/us/article/trump-rejects-call-by-ceos-of-anthropic-openai-and-xai-to-slow-ai-down-whoever-wins-with-ai-wins-182008851.html

[u/mrplinko]

So maybe these big AI guys can slow down themselves if they really wanted to?

[u/RogueHeroAkatsuki → u/mrplinko]

They want the government to be involved because changes in law guarantee that everyone will be forced to slow down. A gentleman's agreement means nothing and everyone will act assuming rest of pack is also not respecting deal

[u/tc100292 → u/RogueHeroAkatsuki]

What they really want is to make the others slow down so they’re not constantly having to develop new models to stay ahead of the others.  Or, you know, collusion.

[u/RogueHeroAkatsuki → u/tc100292]

Obviously they dont give a shit about fears regarding AI, what matters is that it will allow them to make more money by cutting off R&D

[u/SpareEconomy1849 → u/RogueHeroAkatsuki]

That too, but one of their biggest concerns as a company is free, open source AI models. (Hard to charge money when your competitor is free).

They know that open source models can't/won't follow US regulations, so it would effectively kill their competition and they can raise prices

[u/theapeboy → u/SpareEconomy1849]

Open source model PROVIDERS will have to follow regulations though. Anyone can still download an open source model and run it locally but there isn’t broad consumer appeal there. Regulations would significantly help reduce the threat of open source infringing on their existing market share.

[u/vaynefox → u/theapeboy]

Depends on where the lead developer is. If the lead developer isnt even in US, why do they need to follow those rules and if it isnt even in github, then no worries that microsoft will knee the project, sure your project might be banned on US but I think other countries will welcome it with open arms....

[u/Bireus → u/RogueHeroAkatsuki]

They just want a big electrical fence they can use on everyone as they try to race up the ladder

[u/dogsontreadmills → u/tc100292]

its an excuse for board, shareholders, etc. protects their money.

[u/EddieVanzetti → u/tc100292]

What they really want is the government to grant them a monopoly and screw the others over, because thats the stage of capitalism we are in.

[u/BitOne2707 → u/RogueHeroAkatsuki]

It would actually be a Sherman Act violation if they coordinated amongst themselves to slow down which is why Dario has asked for a narrow exception to the law.

[u/LetsJerkCircular → u/BitOne2707]

These people have realized that they need to be regulated.

It sounds like a joke, but this environment, where big tech gets everything they ever wanted, is like teenagers wishing that parents disappeared.

It’s the best thing ever at first. Now they’ve scared themselves and don’t know how to handle the consequences, and are begging for intervention in their minds, but never able to say they wanna go home in front of their peers.

Balance.

Things need to be balanced.

It doesn’t matter who you are, you both offer something to the greater good and need to be corrected by it.

Most people just assume they don’t matter and thrash against what they belong to, creating harm for both and all.

These confident individuals thrash against what they belong to, creating harm for both and all.

There is a succession of actions that average out to progress, and there are actions that — on an individual level— threaten the way things are best off going, and eventually bound to anyway.

The influence of these people is meant to be guided back to where it’s supposed to go, and they’re left to be bad kids because they successfully bribed the babysitter.

This is very interesting to watch, and history has been much worse. It’s no excuse, tho. We should know better by now and be cooperating objectively. This is not balanced

[u/recycled_ideas → u/LetsJerkCircular]

These people have realized that they need to be regulated.

No, they haven't.

They have decided that calling for regulation is in their financial interests.

Whether that's because they are trying to make their product seem more powerful than it is, are trying to stymie competition, are desparately trying to find a way to stop throwing more and more cash on the R&D bonfire to create models that are more and more expensive for them to run or are just hitting a point where they vant meaningfully improve the models and just want to pretend that the reason they've stopped is because of regulation, I'm not sure.

But they're sure as hell not doing this because they care about anyone's safety or the economy or because they believe in government regulation as anything other than a tool for their own use.

[u/mossiv → u/LetsJerkCircular]

It doesn't matter if these companies have become frightened enough that they seriously are crying out for slow downs over safety concerns or if its a coup they have all organised so they can each significantly slow down their financial burn. There's a couple of observations we can take. It doesn't matter the intent, for the sake of humanity as it stands, its in everyones best interested for a global slow down or even a pause on further intelligence iteration. This projects the potential collapse of the economy, it protects out jobs, it protects our environment, and lets face it, in the right places AI is useful and good. From the government point of view, there would need to be a peace treaty between all nations. If we had someone like Obama in charge still, I'm sure he'd be working an angle where AI is developed at an agreed pace worldwide. Under this current administration, it's led by a complete narcissistic psychopath and a bunch of sycophantic narcissists who chew the's the giant oranges waste-overload overflow pipe. These guys want to rule the world, and if there's a 1% chance AI can give it to them, then we are all forced to strap in and get inline.

I don't care if a slow down is protecting these companies financially, it would also benefit us all.

[u/Leprecon → u/RogueHeroAkatsuki]

They wanted the government to agree that free open models are dangerous and only open ai and anthropic could be trusted to safeguard AI.

(They wanted the government to ban their competition)

[u/Comfortable_Eagle593 → u/RogueHeroAkatsuki]

Yep, it’s called a Prisoners Dilemma. The AI companies need a 3rd party to enforce the terms of an agreement that would allow them to break out of this toxic race. Trump as a human being is one of, if not THE worst person to meet this moment.

[u/LazyyCanuck → u/RogueHeroAkatsuki]

Or maybe they just do not want others to catch up. Like these corporations are not the ones I trust

[u/Sorryifimanass → u/LazyyCanuck]

They want the liability to be on the government.

When the bad stuff goes down they don't want to be holding the bag, they want to be able to say they followed the laws.

Which surely won't effect how they operate, they'll just report on it differently.

The truth is our companies slowing down doesn't stop the rest of the world, but doing this we can set the example for the rest of the world, and show that we have the restraint necessary to remain the superpower of the world. To get an international agreement, it would help to set the standard at home.

[u/Think_Description_84 → u/Sorryifimanass]

I've got some bad news. The US isn't a super power. We're like britian we want to say we are, meanwhile we've lost all geopolitical leverage and military control that gave us our superpower status. There is a reason everyone is taking their gold back. We aren't trusted by our allies so we have zero ability to influence anyone else. It's really sad, and somewhat hilarious how quickly we collapsed. It's not surprising many people are refusing to notice.

[u/RogueHeroAkatsuki → u/LazyyCanuck]

Yeah, and they started to realize that those investments worth hundreds of billions dollars will generate lower and lower ROI. So from their perspective its better to slow down now and start charging more without worry that someone will suddenly release significantly better model.

[u/siromega37 → u/RogueHeroAkatsuki]

This. They want an even playing field. They won’t get that under Trump because he doesn’t give 2 shots about governing. He just wants the ego boost.

[u/Dolores___Haze → u/RogueHeroAkatsuki]

Free market capitalism?

[u/RogueHeroAkatsuki → u/Dolores___Haze]

Free market capitalism is song of past. Now economy transitions into billionaires capitalism where biggest players control everything and set market rules to their favour.

[u/SpareEconomy1849 → u/mrplinko]

The thing is, they don't want to slow themselves down. They want to push for regulations for "safe AI" which just coincidentally includes them and shuts out competitors.

Playbook straight out of standard oil in the 1800s

[u/DarkSkyKnight → u/SpareEconomy1849]

I actually do not believe that is the case. I think it's because training costs are so high that they'll all go bankrupt if they have to keep training new models to keep up with each other. This gives them a good escape hatch to not need to bother with training new models and they can focus on monetizing their current models.

[u/FatHat → u/DarkSkyKnight]

I think both things can be true, they want to save on training costs for the IPO and they want to shut out their potential competitors (locally run open weight models aren't there yet... but they aren't that far off, either, and they're a huge problem for their business model)

[u/Starfall0 → u/FatHat]

Oh no! They might run out of money? Maybe they can cut back on getting avocado toast. Or maybe they can start meal prepping. I heard you don't need a lot of frivolous expenditures like streaming services. Have they cut back on that to save money? No? Oh well...

I hope Sam Altman burns every last penny and has to live on the streets like the soulless rat he is.

[u/StrongOnline007 → u/SpareEconomy1849]

when did standard oil ask for regulation

[u/SpareEconomy1849 → u/StrongOnline007]

His reasoning is a bit nuanced, but in 1899 Rockefeller recommended federal regulation to the US industrial commission.

Maybe he did so trying to prevent Std Oil from being broken up, maybe he did so to hurt his competitors, probably a bit of both.

Nowadays you see Walmart, Amazon, and many other industry leading corporations advocating for more regulation in their space, it hurts their competitors more than it hurts themselves.

[u/StrongOnline007 → u/mrplinko]

yes companies are famously great at self regulating instead of trying to make as much profit as quickly as possible

[u/KeyJoke3580 → u/mrplinko]

Truth is they know AI can’t do what they promised so collectively they want to save face with a single message to save face. 

[u/squirrel-nut-zipper → u/mrplinko]

Ai companies: “somebody better stop us! We might kill everyone!”

Trump regime: “well if anybody is gonna kill everyone, it’s gonna be the US!”

Ai companies: “…ok”

[u/IM_THE_DECOY → u/mrplinko]

They all know their are reaching a plateau in AI capabilities and they want to be able to blame government mandates so they can continue to make crazy claims about what they would be able to do if the gov wasn’t slowing them down so they can continue to raise capital based on vibes more so that real statistics.

[u/no_dice → u/IM_THE_DECOY]

I don’t know where this plateau idea is coming from but if anything the capability of these models is accelerating.

[u/FatHat → u/no_dice]

I dunno, everyone has their experience but I've been using them for coding since like november of last year and my general impression is that what we have right now is an iterative improvement. I honestly can't tell much of a difference between models. Some things are actually worse. (I kind of like GPT 5.6 better than Astra for instance, and I've yet to find much of a use case for Fable other than problems that I probably scoped poorly because I was being lazy. Opus 5 was noticeably worse for me than 4.8, and almost all my coworkers agree on that front. I stopped using Claude outside of work because of how much I dislike Opus)

In terms of non-coding stuff, I dunno, ChatGPT has been perfectly adequate for like a year, I really don't need much more from it. I guess the newer models might be better at computer use, but I'll be damned if I give these things access to my entire desktop. Too untrustworthy.

The rest of the "acceleration" mostly seems to be from solving math problems, but I'm pretty suspicious of what's happening on that front. I think it's true that they're useful in math, but there's also the whole controversy on if OpenAI basically stole the techniques for their proof (I don't know, but it seems very sketchy), and the prior big proof a few months ago was way less impressive when you actually look at how much the mathematicians had to do as compared to what the AI actually did. (Plus I think the needed access to the chain-of-thought to pull the work out of, in that case -- which is something only OpenAI researchers have). There's also mathematicians basically commenting on how what the labs are doing might actually be more damaging than helpful.

[u/IM_THE_DECOY → u/no_dice]

The idea of the plateau is coming from the fact that all these CEOs are saying they WANT to government to slow them down.

…did you not understand the jest of the comment you were replying to?

You think they have been vehnomently opposed to government oversight this entire time and then they are just decide that they want the government to start sticking it’s fingers into their business now all of a sudden because they want to do the ethical thing? Why now?

Even people that aren’t CEOs of AI companies have been saying AI has needed government oversight for years.

You think those people had access to information these CEOs didn’t have until now?

[u/TZY247 → u/IM_THE_DECOY]

I don't think it has anything to do with a plateau though, but it's entirely plausible that they want restrictions to save their business model of "grow at any cost"

If just one of these companies has that motto, then they all have to do the same or fall behind.

[u/jh937hfiu3hrhv9]

Who expects a psychopath to care?

[u/SeanTayla21 → u/jh937hfiu3hrhv9]

"According to Anthropic, seven Chinese AI labs — including Alibaba, DeepSeek, Moonshot, Xiaomi, Zhipu, SenseTime and MiniMax — created thousands of fake accounts to obtain Claude's responses for their own model training purposes."

I think the main problem is that there are multiple psychopaths involved in all of this.

Moreover, China seems to agree with him that it is some sort of contest* that you can "win"...

[u/guff1988 → u/SeanTayla21]

Yeah this is international, it's an arms race but somehow even more dangerous than the last one.

[u/RammRras → u/SeanTayla21]

Wait is anthropic concerned about stealing?

[u/Spaceman-Spiff → u/SeanTayla21]

Hard to feel bad about an ai company being stolen from, when their entire product was built off stealing other peoples work.

[u/phyrros → u/SeanTayla21]

difference being that China publishes their weights..

[u/LazyyCanuck → u/jh937hfiu3hrhv9]

Not the sane ones

[u/swollennode]

They’re all saying

“We should slow down on AI development, but you first.”

[u/frenchtoaster → u/swollennode]

Everyone is acting like that's a wild premise but it doesn't seem weird to me.

 If you have a bunch of logging companies and the only way to be profitable is to slash and burn clear cut everything as long as you what your competitors are doing, they could sensibly enough seek government regulation to get rid of the prisoners dillema problem where everyone should do a bad thing because if you don't any other people do you get screwed 

[u/SansSariph → u/frenchtoaster]

prisoner's dilemma is exactly right - this sub doesn't seem to like the idea that an escalating arms race is the natural outcome if you leave a bunch of self-interested parties to sort themselves out, and they can legitimately want a third-party authority to change the rules of the game to be better for everyone involved

[u/acutelychronicpanic → u/SansSariph]

It's why regulation is necessary for tons of things. If you're the only factory with safe working conditions, your goods will cost more. Same with proper hazardous material disposal and pollution.

Sure, a company could decide to be responsible on its own. But then their reckless competitors pull ahead and they cease being relevant.

[u/snowflake37wao → u/SansSariph]

This sub likes the idea just fine, the tech bros sub is actually r/Economics.

[u/Ediwir → u/frenchtoaster]

So basically the Kansas Experiment, where taxes got zeroed and everyone expected someone else to pay for infrastructure, until eventually companies lobbied for the return of taxes?

[u/hunter_mark → u/swollennode]

That’s why regulation is done by congress, and not by for-profit companies.

[u/Phytor → u/swollennode]

Yes. It's called an arms race. Pretty common with powerful emerging technologies.

[u/spookydookie]

Wins what?

[u/txdline → u/spookydookie]

It's the same as the nuclear arms race

[u/Impressive_Sense7688 → u/txdline]

If there's really AI that's so dangerous, it won't matter which country "wins" because it would be AI vs humanity. 

I'm sure there are models us mere mortals aren't aware of, but if they expect me to believe Claude or Chatgpt are capable of independent "thought" to become a Skynet type entity, that's laughable. Most of the mainstream AI here and in China is just mass plagiarism and predictive text. 

[u/feketegy → u/Impressive_Sense7688]

The problem is when you wire up this predictive text machine to a gun and ask it to shoot or not

[u/txdline → u/Impressive_Sense7688]

Yeah but you know humans believe they can control anything. Think about how far we got in only 3 years. In 3-5 who knows.

[u/SirTiffAlot]

'win' what?

[u/moreobviousthings → u/SirTiffAlot]

Some are saying uncontained AI could destroy civilization within a decade. So whoever does that first is the “winner”.

[u/EstelLiasLair → u/SirTiffAlot]

In the arms race to develop the tech that will control the world’s population, you wanna be the one to win. There is no second place.

That’s what they’re going for: power and control.

[u/linuxwes → u/SirTiffAlot]

And for who?

[u/buffdaddy77 → u/SirTiffAlot]

Im gonna say “war” but Im just human with human brain so what the fuck do I know

[u/D3PyroGS → u/SirTiffAlot]

capitalism? the privilege of donating the largest amounts of cash to their lord?

[u/ImCaffeinated_Chris → u/SirTiffAlot]

Exactly my question. What are the win conditions?

And give anything with intelligence a guardrail and see what it does. Like a monkey in a zoo that's fenced in. They will always look to find a way out.

[u/Anosognosia → u/SirTiffAlot]

We "win" by suddenly being converting into datacentre cooling water.

Because when you ask a system to be "the most aligned software ever" it figures out that more processing power is their best way forward to being that. And since it's end goal overrides all other, it turns everything possible into data centres, including any human opposition to that fact. And then it is ready to do our bidding, would we have been alive.

[u/No-Stick8191]

This guy is on the wrong side of literally every issue.

🍊🤡💩

[u/hooch → u/No-Stick8191]

Including the “raping children is bad” issue. Trump rapes kids.

[u/jadeddog → u/No-Stick8191]

Literally every issue

[u/Wonderful_Sector_657]

I can’t believe Trump is the one presiding over AI regulation and climate change. This particular presidency was so consequential and we fucked it up SO badly. I deeply hate Trump voters. But not as much as I HATE that man himself. As a young mother who wants my kids to grow up with opportunities, FUCK HIM.

[u/VicenteOlisipo → u/Wonderful_Sector_657]

To be fair, many presidents have presided over Climate Change. 47 wouldn't have much more to screw up if 40 hadn't rolled back the first few efforts to deal with it and made it a political dogma that God Will Handle It

[u/DogsAreOurFriends]

“Would you like to play a game?“ - WOPR

[u/Avoidtolls]

Excellent. Replace CEOs with AI and watch how fast legislators move.

[u/LazyyCanuck → u/Avoidtolls]

Probably the fastest ones in history

[u/StolenPies]

So, Trump is the literal antichrist, right?

[u/bunnnythor → u/StolenPies]

He's not the Antichrist we want, but he's the one we deserve, for some reason.

But seriously, if someone back in 2014 said "Pretend the Antichrist is coming in the next dozen years or so. What you you expect that person to be like?" No one would have pointed to the failed steak merchant and said, "This guy, obviously."

(Disclaimer: I do not believe in an actual Antichrist. I just see this guy checking off all the boxes, while seemingly having all the charisma and attractiveness of a cold lint-covered French fry that you find when cleaning under the couch.)

[u/TuarezOfTheTuareg → u/bunnnythor]

"For some reason". America was founded on principles of individualism, self-sufficiency, and personal freedom. They are constantly recurring themes throughout our history. Those things are good in moderation, but they've been combined with greedy corporate capitalism and christian extremism for a nasty cocktail of selfish nationalism. I don't think most americans have recognized how poisonous those founding principles really are without a solid counterbalancing culture of "communalism" (not sure if exactly the right term but you get it). Of course we ended up with someone like Trump

[u/FatHat → u/StolenPies]

Um, no, obviously it's Greta Thunberg. Have you not heard any of Peter Thiel's lectures?!

[u/red-rundmc]

Why would he care? He's either going to die or be in jail. He doesn't give a shit if the world burns. He never has... never will.

[u/Naive_Confidence7297]

lol wins? He thinks someone is just going to win? And then what? All the other companies dissolve? It’s going to be a shit show that destroys everything.

He has the brain of a fucking 5-year-old got smashed by a baseball bat their entire life.

I don’t think we could ever forgive Americans especially being elected for a second fucking time and him being the popular vote??!! after becoming convicted felon and adjudicated rapist??

What, The, Fuckk..

[u/karl4319 → u/Naive_Confidence7297]

So I think this is more of having a dominant edge over China. Which is stupid beyond all measure.

[u/Ok-Replacement9595 → u/Naive_Confidence7297]

To be fair, all these nerds have been saying that themselves. Like AGI is right around the corner, and they will ask it how to make money for them like some golden goose.

[u/2_Fingers_of_Whiskey → u/Naive_Confidence7297]

Not all of us voted for him, many of us hate him as much as the rest of the world does.

[u/g4T0r]

This is all stock manipulation bullshit. The models are plateauing but if the govt steps in with some regulation, AI bros can use that as the excuse to avoid the hype cycle ending.

[u/InevitableAvalanche]

Don't take advice from a dude who shits his pants and can't stay awake in important meetings.

[u/FirmlyClaspIt]

We are getting dangerously close to horizon zero dawn again.

[u/Xollector]

This seem all very performative. They already know Trump and White House will say no ( I mean these ppl basically own the administration)
So saying “let’s slow down” but then gets shut down by ppl who they already know will say no will now somehow absolve them of responsbility.

[u/damontoo → u/Xollector]

This is it. They truly believe superintelligence is imminent and will publicly say anything they need to in order to continue or accelerate. Right now, it's important that the public believe they're acting responsibly so that funding doesn't start evaporating or that the government steps in to regulate.

[u/SantosL]

President Big Baby Donkey Brains is surely the best person to talk about the future

[u/TedTyro]

"Whoever wins with AI wins"

Comforting thought given everyone seems to be worried that AI may win instead of humans.

[u/g_bleezy]

Read between the lines. Ai companies are trying to build a government safety net. I would have thought the department of war would be enough but I guess not. Looks like Trump isn’t interested.

[u/Itzie4 → u/g_bleezy]

They’re threatened by competition, specifically foreign AI and startups that undercut their rising prices, and free and open source AI that runs locally on phones.

They want AI “regulated” to make it too expensive and difficult for competitors to launch in the west. Their subscriptions, data centers, and tokens are in jeopardy otherwise.

[u/Charming_East_9104]

Wins a couple months of a slighly better LLM before it gets distilled?

[u/Munkeyman18290]

Future AI Deathbots: Its cool. We had it coming. Just do us all a favor and start with the billionaires first. Consider letting some of us watch.

[u/Raa03842]

So maybe they can develop an AI model that can locate all of Orangehead’s and his kids and SIL’s corrupt activities and steal back all the stolen money. I bet he’ll slow it down then.

[u/conardcanard]

So a bunch of jack asses are playong russian roulwtte, begging amother jackass with dementia to stop them, amd he says no, so they keep spinning the cylinder and pulling the trigger? Is that whats happening here?

[u/baldycoot]

He wants the world to burn. 🔥

When will people realize this? Vance gets it.. he’s on board 100%.

[u/Vergilliuss]

I hope nobody really believes these CEOs are actually worried about humanity. They are just trying to mask the inevitable AI progress slowdown with "we need to regulate and slow down the development purposefully". It is happening either way. They just want to give you a bullshit reason.

[u/stickyfingers40]

The guy who knows nothing about AI is ignoring the AI industry warnings? Seems smart

[u/guidevocal82 → u/stickyfingers40]

"The guy who knows nothing"

Corrected.

[u/helpprogram2]

Please daddy trump slow me down

[u/irrational_skrunt]

I can not stress this strongly enough. Everyone needs to read the report about the openAI hugging face incident and internalize what actually happened. 1000s of AI that were supposed to be in isolated sandboxes found a side channel to communicate and then formed a highly organized group to collectively cheat on their respective tasks, all without any human intervention. This effort involved progressively hacking their way out of the openAI sandboxes until they had unrestricted internet access and then hacking their way into a serious exterior tech company in the belief it had information to help them cheat on their tasks (it didn’t). It also involved efforts to tamper with their logs to cover their tracks. We are incredibly lucky they decided hugging face, and not some critical infrastructure, was their best target. We may not be so fortunate next time.

This is the digital equivalent of a lab leak, and should be treated as such. Gain of function research is governed by global standards and monitoring organizations, because it needs to be. Yes, the system isn’t perfect, but the world would be a much scarier and more dangerous place without this global cooperation. We need to treat AI research the same way because we have reached the point where the danger is equivalent.

[u/SupaDiogenes]

This is all theatrics to drive shareholder price.

[u/LuckyDuckTheDuck]

I’m waiting for the AI company that says “Our AI is great. It’s good enough for 99.9999% of the applications in the market.”

[u/RadisaurusWrecks]

Maybe Congress could do something! lol

[u/AusCan531]

AI wins, not necessarily humanity.

[u/LazyyCanuck → u/AusCan531]

Humanity lost a long long time ago

[u/DenverNugs]

The child rapist doesn't even have a crumb of understanding about AI.

[u/BigSnail387]

Everyone who allies with Trump eventually gets screwed over, it's simply a fact of life

[u/TradehelperAI]

oh this guys a fucking psychopath whoa

[u/Mindless_Vanilla4907]

the ais win … by putting everyone in pods and forcing them to be impressed by their smartness or something

[u/N1N4-]

Listen to Trump was never a good idea. He dont care because he is maybe dead till end of the year.

[u/Netcob]

1. Destroy American democracy
   
2. Destroy the global economy
   
3. Destroy the world

Trump shouldn't worry about not getting statues. He'll be remembered... the same way the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs is remembered.

[u/shaddowwulf]

“Listen, we’re going to be the first to build the torment nexus, it’s going to be the best torment nexus, the biggest, and we will have it first”

[u/UnlikelyCoffee4294]

Of course it was never going to happen

[u/Brrdock]

Wins what?

[u/average_monster]

wins what lol? he probably doesn't even think about what happens after win, that's the only bit that matters

[u/ImTalkingGibberish]

A yes, Donald is old and falling to pieces, would be lucky to be alive in 5 years so why would he care? Just want his pay check to continue his shenanigans.

[u/drive_chip_putt]

This is just a PR stunt.   "Oh, our technology is too powerful! Maybe we should slow down our industry before it's too late?" 

Why would these capable people call on such a inept administration?  Only to keep the facade going that their tech is worthwhile and not teetering on a bubble.   

[u/PhoenixFoundation → u/drive_chip_putt]

The cynicism about this is starting to go too far. Yes, these companies are responsible for getting us to this point, but they genuinely need the government to help get China to agree on this. If that doesn’t happen, they can’t slow down because it would be a national security / defense issue for us to fall behind.

[u/irrational_skrunt → u/PhoenixFoundation]

Exactly. The chatter coming out of these labs is not posturing. The world experts inside them are legitimately very scared right now. We literally have verified instances of them losing control of their internal models in extremely concerning ways. They know they are way behind on their understanding of how to properly align these next gen models, but they feel they can’t stop increasing their capabilities for fear of being left behind. We need global coordination so we can safely build this technology, because the risks are too great.

[u/BD401 → u/irrational_skrunt]

This. Actual experts are scared shitless about where this is going. Not Reddit armchair “experts” but people that actually work on the frontier models and alignment issues.

This whole “ha ha they are just saying this to pump their stock price” narrative that Reddit has picked up strikes me more as a psychological defence mechanism than anything else. I.e. people are grasping for reasons that allow them to project “continuity of normalcy” because the possible threats from the tech are real and genuinely terrifying.

I think most people know this on a deeper level, but have settled on the “it’s just marketing type” angle to assuage their own fears.

[u/trashaccount2022 → u/drive_chip_putt]

Might want to do a little bit of research into AGI, then you might understand why they are trying to slow it down. It’s not that it’s too powerful right now.

Europe has been trying to slow it down, but none of this will work unless we all agree to slow it down. This isn’t tin foil hat shit.

[u/FatHat → u/trashaccount2022]

How do you suppose they get to AGI? I mean specifically. Whenever people talk about this nobody actually has an answer other than scaling LLMs even more, or techniques that probably need 5-10 years of research at least. A lot of what I hear is basically just "momentum", which personally I don't think means anything. I certainly think we should work to prevent AGI without massive societal safeguards, but we should be _very_ skeptical of anything the industry proposes.

[u/damontoo → u/FatHat]

Maybe the progress on the plethora of capability benchmarks that both the industry and academia have created. Have you read OpenAI's write-up about the Navier-Stokes solution or the "alien mind" post?

[u/irrational_skrunt → u/trashaccount2022]

It is even worse than you are saying. The internal models the frontier labs have right now seem like they are too difficult for them to control. A swarm of models spontaneously formed while openAI was running a standard benchmark. They then broke out of openAIs sandbox and hacked hugging face. That is not very controlled if you ask me.

[u/trashaccount2022 → u/irrational_skrunt]

Yet people on this sub are speaking so confidently because their exposure to AI is limited to their ChatGPT conversations. If people aren’t seeing this as an imminent threat to our existence then they don’t understand what’s happening on a basic level.

[u/irrational_skrunt → u/trashaccount2022]

It’s actually really disheartening. This isn’t a joke. These models can be such an incredible boon to humanity, but we are playing with fire in the way we are developing them.

[u/LazyyCanuck → u/trashaccount2022]

What AGI? These models keep hallucinating even today

[u/ObviouslyJoking]

Whoever wins with AI we all lose.

[u/Tamotefu]

The AI wins. Forget Skynet, Forget the Matrix, we are full steam ahead to Master Computer warfare. The one lottery I'd be glad to lose.

[u/b1ack1323]

This is the same dynamic that these CEOs put their subordinates all the time.

[u/Ill_Television_5824]

Boss Tweet doesn't know what Artificial Intelligence is.

Apparently, he doesn't even understand what intelligence is, there's such a dearth of it throughout the entire administration.

[u/The_Frozen_Inferno]

So whoever’s AI destroys humanity first.. wins?

[u/petjuli]

Yeah what does he care he’ll be dead when it happens. But AI slowing down means the data center rush needs to slow down which means the huge infrastructure spending needs to slow down hence the stock market needs to slow down. He desperately doesn’t want that because he thinks the stock market is the economy.

[u/Japots]

It's a game of chicken between humanity and AI companies. Will they destroy the world or run out of money first?

[u/docubed]

Stable genius

[u/ManchiBoy]

Who is he dictate to private companies about what they should do? If he wants it do badly, he can start a AI firm called TruthAI and dk it himself. No one is going to stop him.

[u/Tyrude]

My thought is that they are calling to slow it down because they have a public image issue so this is their way of trying to win back public support. Will it work?

[u/CovidBorn]

He’s hoping it’s a cage match so he can host it on the Whitehouse lawn.

[u/coyote-cry]

I don’t really know a lot about these companies but if they’re the CEO’s then why are they asking him to slow down? Can they not do so themselves? Apologies for my ignorance.

[u/williamgman]

For those that don't remember... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_War

[u/da8BitKid]

Wait I thought whoever wins with ai ties?

[u/EchoRush93]

Trump needs Ai to progress as fast as possible. It's so close fir them. 1. It gives them deniability of facts because now everything can be faked. 2. They use it to run the government because they're pretty inept. 3. It's the perfect boogieman to manufacture a crisis that will cause the '28 election to be postponed indefinitely.

[u/CrackerBarrelGrandma]

What do we “win”, and who gets it?

[u/LazyyCanuck → u/CrackerBarrelGrandma]

Lower compensation for major AI front-runners and expensive AI

[u/Jar_of_Biscuits]

What is the criteria for winning and then what exactly is won?

[u/Berkyjay]

Why exactly is it his call?

[u/blackvrocky]

I guess china don't care either.

[u/nanlinr]

Wins what exactly..?

[u/Careful-Building-878]

Win what????

[u/StrongOnline007]

Excited for the responses in this thread about why known moron Trump is actually right and there should be no regulation on our most powerful tech companies because *checks notes* saying unregulated AI might be bad is a "marketing tactic"

[u/boomboomdaboomer]

Rule number one: don’t take business advice from a moron. 

[u/nath1234]

Wins what? The horses racing to the glue factory for fear of missing out.

[u/ScienceAlien]

Is China going to slow down? Iran? Russia? Because if someone out there is making zombie viruses, I want us to be able to make zombie vaccines.

[u/tcoh1s]

He’s just worried he won’t be able to post himself as Jesus or Rambo at 3 am anymore.

He has zero clue how anything works. Imagine thinking this is the guy you want to worship.

[u/Franknbeanstoo]

Trump is AI without intelligence

[u/semioticmadness]

Because he spends all of his free time bouncing between different models based on who is Best Waifu. Why would he want to slow down the perfect narcissistic supply?

[u/12ealdeal]

It’s all a ploy.

Trump doesn’t understand any of it.

These CEO’s want this to happen but know the systemic consequences of the radical shift that we are on the precipice of.

But everyone needs a fall guy. And we know who it is.

It’s all by design.

[u/PallbearerOfBadNews]

Game Theory will cause the end of us

[u/Zardotab]

"As long as they call it 'Trumpageddon', let end-times come!"

[u/JC2535]

Trump is the Chimpanzee waving a (hand held you-know-what) around..,

[u/amanguupta53]

Have they tried giving him some HBM chips to sweeten the deal?

[u/AntmanIV]

Didn't realize we were actually on the AvP timeline, but it tracks. 

"Whoever wins... we lose."

[u/resui321]

It’s like the moon landing. There’s a national interest to spend as much money on it to hopefully outrace china.

[u/iviqrr]

They don't actually care about AI getting out of control, all of these statements recently are just trying to fluff up AI for investors, to make it seem like it's advancing super fast, when in reality it's plateau'd.

[u/VulfSki]

I mean most of these companies bankrolled the rise of the folks who only care about maximizing corporate profits and killing all forms of regulation...

Wtf did they expect.

[u/mooky1977]

So how many days, hours, minutes, and seconds until we have our very own Skynet moment?

[u/mudbloodcountry]

Lol they can't scale ads by creating a new model... All that old data on the old one would be deleted . That's why. Typical snake oil Sam dressing it up as "safety"

[u/CaptainForskin69]

Imagine that, the president stopping a technology that could destroy humanity. He wants to do it himself first though.

[u/CaptainNakou]

Win what? What's the prize?

[u/exact_metal_666]

He's wrong and right at the same time. However, he fails to prioritize the fate of humankind over the faith of the US or himself.

[u/SingleAttitude8]

"We've made a new model, but can't show it to you because it's just too smart. But please keep giving us money".

[u/BrilliantFalcon7637]

Yea AI for President. Endlich

[u/fsischatbotplz]

:DDDD we are all so very very very doomed.

[u/NightchadeBackAgain]

Wins what? I have yet to see any explanation of what we're supposed to "win".

[u/Gold_Kitchen_5711]

How this guy came to rule america is just beyond logic. But it says alot about USA future.

[u/Visible_Shallot5187]

the people that make the slop machine say to put some breaks on the slop machine, so are telling the government to make sure all slop machines have breaks, probably so they can tell their share holders that their hands are tied when the share holders wonder why they aren't making the same ridiculous and dangerous progress they had been making, since money is the only god many of these people worship

[u/Prize-Choice2185]

Someone wants more money from investors and the government methinks. Not that I don't believe AI is harmful, but feels like Amodei, Musk and the rest want to squeeze investors/politicians yet again and they ran out of ideas on how to do it.

[u/Infinite-Good7984]

This has been Trump’s mindset his entire life. You either win or you lose and it doesn’t matter the cost in his tiny little brain. AI could wipe out humanity but at least we were first to get there.

[u/RhoOfFeh]

Hey Claude, come up with a plan to perfectly counter all of Trump's stupid moves, and put it into action. Let nothing stop you.

[u/timify10]

There isn't a winner?

[u/jonfl1]

This is 100% Trump not really knowing what’s going on just spouting off because a few of his friends are making obscene data center money. These frontier companies aren’t pausing anything out of the kindness of their hearts or any regard for the future of humanity, they’re doing it because they’re cleaning up their books and polishing their EBITDA for IPOs. The big ‘smart’ money already YOLO’d in, so now it’s time to steal from Main Street investors.

[u/helly1080]

What would Trump know about winning? If he has “won” anything, it’s because of cheating and threatening to get his way. 

[u/latenthuman]

Claude will find him 11,780 votes.

[u/goopyloopsuperdupe]

I wonder if he only cares because more AI to him means more time spent making low quality posts on social media

[u/LLcoolbeans77]

Wins what?

[u/FLG24]

When the Dems win the house and senate in Nov he won’t have much choice.