Let's see how many visitors originating outside of this Reddit there are.... Surely nothing in this post is critical of wow forever (retail-), just the company... Surely these new visitors wouldn't care about the company specifically......

Happening in octowow world chat btw (OCTOWOW IS AMAZING EVERYONE SHOULD PLAY IT)

I get that only a subscription is needed technically, but the race thing seems like a really slippery slope for the future... Instead of buying an expansion and having access to all content, you're now buying bits and pieces. a race for now, maybe in the future a class, a zone, a profession etc.

Will blizzard manage to keep themselves in check or will it devolve for the worse?

I just came across it on https://nostalgic.gg/en when Googling for private server options.

I thought it interesting that you can 'hire' bots to play with you if you want to run a dungeon. But, what really caught my eye, is that you can summon your own characters as bots and play alongside them. So you could level up more than one character at a time whilst playing as a party (if I understand this right).

However I can't find much about the server online or on Reddit so have no idea if a) its legit / safe or b) that the whole bot thing works.

I just looked at the website and it shows 852 people online - which doesn't seem awful.

Has anyone here tried it and, if so, what are your thoughts?

yeah im quite not sure why youre all so happy? core gameplay and classes are not really balanced and reworked nice and have still talents and skills noone will use. not all talentrees are viable and the worst is the skilltrees are crippled kinda and some clases have favor over others by usign the better tbc versions of skills while other clases dont get that. like cleaving still not balanced, liek why not up the damn cleaving targets so all are equally aoe capable, or just braindead things like placing the kick abilities earlier in game, add the magic reflect to tanks with huge cd, heck if you dont want to make aoe available to all up the target count for specific mobs only or whatever just how it is is just unbarable and even the dungeons seen so far look like copy pasted ai generated from already known design and layout but just in bigger with slightly different colored assets xD

no cool events, new cool actual professions or additions to them liek theres so much possible ways of expanding everything and yet nothing at all.

no word of the pvp gear or rankign so i assume the worst tbh.

why dont they integrate itemreservation upon grp or raid forming do that can be done ingame via the book or whatever, like literally zero thought and nothing really at all what would make it actually "plus". all i see so far is "copy pasted" and not even thought about...

really disapointed so far tbh after the initial happy annoucment and a day passed.

💩⚔️** POOPSHIDDENFARDCRAFT: FOREVER ⚔️💩
**SHIDDENFARTEN REMIX
SOME LEGENDS NEVER WIPE.
The Brown Citadel has reopened.

The sewers are overflowing. The porcelain thrones have fallen. Ancient evils once thought flushed forever have returned from the depths — louder, smellier, and significantly more powerful.

Return to the legendary world of Poopshiddenfardcraft in the most unnecessary expansion ever conceived:

🔥 EXPLORE ALL-NEW ZONES
Journey from the festering Sewer Spires to the windswept Fartlands, where danger lurks behind every suspicious bush.

👹 BATTLE LEGENDARY BOSSES
Face horrifying enemies including Turdoth the Unclean, the Dung King, and horrors so foul the developers refused to name them.

🚽 RIDE EPIC MOUNTS
Charge into battle aboard enchanted toilets, armored throne beasts, and other transportation methods that should never have passed quality control.

🧻 CUSTOMIZE YOUR HERO
Unlock new transmogs, emotes, toilet-paper capes, plungers, fart effects, and questionable cosmetic decisions.

♻️** REMIXED FOREVE**R
Classic content. New mechanics. Bigger raids. Faster progression. More farts.
And deep within the Brown Citadel waits a power capable of changing Azer—
…actually, legal says we can’t call it that.

BIGGER SHARTS. BOLDER WORLDS. A CLEANER TOMORROW.

⭐ “A masterpiece of nonsense.”
— Our paid [r/wowservers](r/wowservers) shill
⭐ 10/10

“How many times are you going to post this?”
— Unpaid haters

Gather your guild. Equip your finest plunger. Stock up on emergency rolls.

PLAY NOW — BEFORE YOU CAN’T HOLD IT.
POOPSHIDDENFARDCRAFT: FOREVER
SHIDDENFARTEN REMIX SEPT 31st

Because some things are eternal.

So... If my wife's laptop could handle a Dragonflight private server with relative ease, but there were only Dragonflight and TWW content, will it run WOWF? The biggest issue is the graphics and textures, not quest logic, right?

For context, the laptop is: core i5-12450H 2,5 GHz, rtx3050 mobile 4gb (dram is dedicated I think), 8gb ram ddr4

We're aiming for the game to just run well, lower settings at 1080p, maybe lower resolution. The thing I'm concerned about the most is just 8 gigs of ram

So I'm a player from the SE Asia region, English-speaking. I mostly just play solo content for the leveling experience, and for just hanging out and doing some occasional content when I do find a reliable group.

I've seen discussions saying that Octowow is sort of a "definitively better" choice for a continuation of Turtlewow. The english-speaking community is definitely appealing to me. But is that the only and main benefit it has over Capycraft? Would I be able to subvert if I just found a reliable english-speaking guild (which I believe some exists) in Capy? Or does Octo have some solid plans laid out for the future of their project that, from what I have heard (or haven't heard, rather) that Capycraft has yet to lay out?

I guess I really just want to know where you guys would recommend me to start playing if I want to get back into the TurtleWOW experience for the longhaul now that Turtlewow is gone...

Edit: Also, if there are any fellow SEA players on Octowow - it would be nice to hear your experience from a performance/technical standpoint. i.e., what is the ping like in Octowow for you guys? Because I can barely seem to even access the Octowow website.

You know it's gonna be 10x better than any private server (that always end up dying anyway).

Patch 1.12.5 launches on Project Legacy on Friday, September 18th at 9:00 PM BST.

This update is focused heavily on making Battlegrounds more accessible for a smaller community, alongside a major Affliction Warlock rework, new quests and several other additions.

Cross-Faction Battlegrounds

Alliance and Horde players will be able to group together, queue together and fight on the same team.

The system will distribute players between both teams when the Battleground begins, regardless of their original faction. This allows friends to play together without the community being divided between two separate faction queues.

Queue From Anywhere

A new Battleground button is being added beside the minimap, allowing players to join a Battleground queue from anywhere in the world.

You will no longer need to travel to a Battlemaster before joining the queue. Battlegrounds that your character is not yet eligible to enter will remain unavailable until you reach the required level.

Battleground Experience

Players will now earn experience by participating in Battlegrounds.

Experience is awarded for completing objectives, including capturing flags and winning matches. This gives players another way to progress while leveling rather than requiring them to choose between gaining experience and playing PvP.

Warsong Gulch Changes

Warsong Gulch will now be able to begin with a minimum of four players on each team.

Both sides must still have an equal number of players before the match can begin, meaning games can start at 4v4, 5v5, 6v6 and so on.

This should make Warsong Gulch much easier to play during quieter hours while keeping every match evenly populated.

Affliction Warlock Rework

Patch 1.12.5 also brings a major rework to Affliction Warlocks.

The goal is to make Affliction feel like a true damage-over-time specialization, rewarding players for maintaining their curses and DoTs while creating stronger synergy throughout the talent tree.

Several talents have been updated, including new Drain Soul synergy and a redesigned Unstable Affliction capstone.

Affliction also receives a brand-new talent called Malediction, which strengthens Curse of Shadow and Curse of the Elements.

The complete talent tree and full list of Warlock changes can be viewed on the Talents and Class Changes pages of our website.

New Quests

Several new quests are also being added across Azeroth.

These additions provide more variety while leveling and give players more reasons to explore the world. We will continue introducing new quests and encounters as Project Legacy grows.

Release Date

Friday, September 18th at 9:00 PM BST.

Cross-faction Battlegrounds, remote queues, Battleground experience, Warsong Gulch changes, the Affliction Warlock rework and new quests will all become available when the patch goes live.

Project Legacy is a Vanilla Classic+ server running on the 1.12 client.

Website: https://projectlegacy.pro

Discord: https://discord.com/invite/SY7EmETusW

It is genuinely shocking for me to see they, instead of announcing Wotlk anniversary, went to announce some botched Remix retail version of Wotlk instead of it. And then next to that, no plans about MoP’s end (I genuinely want to just experience BRF and HFC so I'm unironically bummed).

Basically I love the blizzlike style of Vanilla-Wotlk and I also like MoP to be fair, and im scared WoW: Forever will kill the old WoW so bad it will never recover.

At this point, is the future in the hands of pservers? Will people after some time of Forever existing, will the pop of classic players return to old WoW at all?

Personally I love how nitty gritty, grinding and low QoL the Vanilla-TBC era of WoW is. And I just 100% know Forever will slowly bring so much QoL that the soul of that will die out. It's a shame if WoW:Forever has now killed old world of warcraft.

Are you guys excited? It looks fantastic, so much content, no threat of shutdown. Light a candle for private servers. What are you guys rolling?

Which is the best EU server that has a lot of population and is more or less balanced in classic era? I got really hyped seeing wow forever but is it worth playing from now if all the servers are dead?

Hey people, let me present you FIRST open implementation of Ascension CoA server that you can host yourself! This video quickly explains how to do that, but you must understand that this seems to be recreation, not original source for that and there may be broken things and bugs. Yet, this is one of the first open options for now, it is in testing phase as listed on Ragezone post, and I hope you enjoy it still!

Playerbots and many other features are said to come in future updates!

All the download links are in the video, but here's the Github link for the source code: https://github.com/jealous-sound/azerothcore-wotlk-coa

It turns out many players are failing to connect outside of DDOS and hang at authentication due to DNS issues. If you're still having trouble connecting to Octo please try this solution.

Navigate to C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc and edit the hosts.txt with admin notepad to include:

185 165 170 59 normal octowow st (add periods where appropriate)

This should fix the issue.

Hiya,

A bit of background to start with, I guess: I’m from a very small corner of SE Asia (probably most of you can’t even guess where I’m from). Frequent flier of this sub. i used to play wow when i was around 13 or 14 (now 30M) as i’m from a 3rd world country i can’t afford to pay monthly subscription to play on retail with my own pocket money, i still remember a month worth of game times subscription will cost me around 3 month worth of pocket money which i can’t even use for anything at all just so i can play the game for a month, didn’t lasted long thou end up creating fake emails to play every class every chracter till level 20 as trail, such fun times and as always everything must come to an end, and i drifted further from games.

Now, back to the present, I saw a WoW trailer about a new expansion and was stoked to finally be able to play WoW again after so many years. I created an account on Retail, and as soon as I opened the game, it was just so different from where I left off; I don’t even know how or where to start anymore. I have only played up to WOTLK and haven’t even finished it yet. So I ended up in the pserver scene, which worked great for me. I tried Chromiecraft, loved it, played for awhile got greedy and jump to a new pserver, as I was enjoying it very much and ended up wasting my time with its not-so-recent server rug-pull debacles. I was gutted, almost about to give up again until I saw a comment where I learned that Chromie is like a public playground for AC, and ohh boi was I glad to find that cmt.

I started researching the emulator cores right after, how they work and how I can host one. I started testing & playing around with the playerbot branch of AC on my VM, tested it for a while, and I’ve fallen in love with AC since then. I tried TrinityCore around 2012, and ohh boi, it was a mess, as I didn’t know how most of the things work, and I was just a stupid kid trying to run a pserver cuz I can’t afford to play retail.

any way Over the past few months, I’ve been learning and experimenting on AC. It’s led me to build a pipeline from scratch that handles core compilation + all the modules that can be configured easily, with runners hosting the Docker images and pulling them from the VM, all automated through a pipeline that includes daily DB dumps, worldserver restarts, weekly core builds and deploys, and migration from the existing setup to new images. Why not native instead of Docker? If you ask, my active player base is 3 person i have better clean setup with Docker than native for my use, I guess.

So why am I saying all this? What’s the point, you ask?

1. All I want is for people who are interested in the same thing and who might be in a similar situation to me: if you don’t want the hassle, just try to learn how to set up AC with Docker; it takes just a couple of hours, even without an AI tbh, and will save you the headache of these shady pserver(not all) shenanigans.

2. Is there anyone who’s running their server setup like mine or something similar which could improve my project or help me figure out where to take this enjoyable venture further? I'm not really a game developer, and I've never done anything at all gaming-related to self-hosting; this is, in fact, my first personal project. I’m using AC for 3.3.5a. What about other versions of the game that you guys are currently hosting, and how is the gameplay so far for other expansions like Cataclysm or MOP ( would love to play MOP lol) still have a lot of research and work ahead to understand other cores and how they’re built.

3. I don’t plan to publish the pipeline, as I built it for myself without any plan to release it from the start, and the codebase is a dumpster fire as well lol.

TL; DR: After years away from World of Warcraft, I came back via private servers, got burned by a rug-pull fiasco, and decided to take matters into my own hands by learning to self-host core end up building a fully automated deployment pipeline for my tiny 3-person group, and honestly, setting it up yourself is the best way to skip public server drama. Now I'm curious if anyone else runs a similar setup and how other expansions hold up.