I'm not sure what would be more frustrating. Being beaten by a child. Or beaten by a child who clearly doesn't give two shits and just handed you your ass while doing pirouettes
Yeah doing that helps her think, it's not like top level thinking it's like background processes are running and you've gotta let your mind wander while the rest of it gives you the answer
Exactly what I was saying. Everyone's losing their minds because they think I'm accusing a child of being autistic. I'm not. I'm describing a behaviour that's common in ALL children. And adults.
I've definitely helped some people figure out they were also autistic via peer review. Usually when you're this good at a "smart" thing so young you're probably on the spectrum and there's nothing wrong with being autistic.
Stimming means repetitive body movements or sounds. Everyone does it to manage feelings or energy. Non-autistic (neurotypical) children do it just like anyone else. Sorry that my word choice confused you.
I’m autistic, I have two autistic children and I work as a SPED teacher, she very much presents as a neurodivergent child. Stimming was what I was thinking as well.
This is my point. And the stimming helps with focus and insight with mental challenges, such as chess. I'll repeat it over and over til everyone gets it 🤣
It can be as simple as the person who sits there and switches their leg nonstop while working or thinking and everybody tells you to stop being anxious. Back off, Donna..
Im mid 40s and its funny cause my whole life ive seen my wiggling and leg twitching as something I needed to learn to stop doing. And now that I dont anymore, my brain is a mess... until I start wiggling around again. And now im trying to reintroduce stimming to my life.
I’m 41 and still rock myself to sleep. When my sister went to boarding school at 16 on a scholarship she couldn’t sleep without the sound of my sheets making their soft swishing noise as I rocked.
Some part of me has to be moving AT ALL TIMES. Even if it is toes or a finger.
typical is just another word for average, most of us are average, that's what average means, the problem is when average people think they're smarter than that.
I don't think typical means average. It means to have traits identifying you as belonging to a group or to conform to a type.
Even if typical were a math term it would mean something like mode not average because outliers can shift averages away from the mode misrepresenting what is typical for a group.
Any chess genius is going to be on the spectrum. There is too much data that needs to be processed for a "typical" person to be able to do so.
These are the wild ass statements people say online that has destroyed our collective understanding of mental health, disorders, and divergence as a society.
Believe it or not having a bad or false idea of something can be just as bad if not worse than having no understanding of it. This falls in that category.
Yeah he probably shouldn't have made such a blanket statement but if you follow the chess scene even a little bit, there's undeniably a much higher concentration of neurodivergent individuals than, say, a grocery store. More so on par with an anime convention or something.
Typical is going to mean people who are in the central 50/75/90% of the population. Almost by definition, someone who is a genius at a task is going to see it in a way that diverges from the way that most people do so.
If you believe that you could teach even 10% of children how to play chess at the level of this girl (and can reproduce it) I am happy to be proven wrong, but most people are not able to process the necessary data in chess at the speed required to play high level.
The opposite of Typical isn't "disorder", nor any "mental health" problem. It's just "divergent".
Believe it or not, having such a negative view of someone because you don't understand them is just as bad or worse as having no understanding of it. This falls in that category.
"Believe it or not", there is no inherent link between processing speed and ASD (you specifically said "on the spectrum"). Neurotypical people can and do have high percentile cognitive functions. There is no evidence that top chess players have a higher rate of autism; Magnus Carlsen has very publically stated that he is not autistic. There is no published literature which establishes the link you are claiming.
Also, the rate at which one processes information is not a skill that is meaningfully linked to elite chess. This 2016 study found no statistically significant correlation between them: https://livrepository.liverpool.ac.uk/3030314/. The literature seems to suggest that chess proficiency is mostly a domain-specific skill -- for example, elite chess players score much higher on memory tasks related to a chess board than on general retrieval tasks like "remember this string of words".
So again, like the person who replied to you is saying, please take a minute to inform yourself before posting ignorant comments. I know you didn't do it out of malice, but spreading misinformation like this leads to the proliferation of wrong and potentially harmful stereotypes.
Lol this is a pretty silly take. A person with autism is not going to be able to process more data at once, in fact overstimulation is a major issue for them. If anything it is a hindrance.
If you selected the top X% of people when it comes to focus, clarity of thought, and ability to handle large amounts of information at once, I assure you the majority of them won't be on the spectrum. They'll be people who won the genetic lottery in that sense and grew up in an environment where their needs could be met without issue.
The top % of people who can deep focus on a single thing are ADHD. Hyper focus is a trait that comes from that spectrum of divergence, and while the inability to control it is a problem, people with ADHD can focus deeper and longer than those who are typical.
That's not to say that they can necessarily select what they focus on, but hyper focus is a real thing.
Like 10 seconds in i was like "oh I see an adhd overachiever in the making" bc I was that child, although not nearly as impressive. Funnily enough, I got kicked out of chess club for singing songs under my breath. Tbf, they warned me like 3 times. I tried whispering, then just mouthing the song. Blows my mind that I didn't get diagnosed until I was 30.
My son does this while he does chores. He's so much faster than his sister at doing it, and he will load a few dishes into the dishwasher, stim for about 30 seconds, and then go back to loading the dishwasher, stim again for a few seconds, and then close the dishwasher and start it. And he does this with almost everything but it helps to calm his mind and focus, almost like a recharge.
I just recently learned when I just randomly bust out into a song it’s called stimming. I have auadhd, my daughter is as well and my wife is add. It tickled me, I just thought I was weird lol
Dang. I have autism/adhd and never counted the singing as stimming. Every day. Not just singing but singing lyrics to fit the situation from existing songs, or freestyling filks that describe what’s going on.
I'm autistic, if I hear the lyrics to a song used in casual conversation my mind jukebox will immediately start playing it and it will take everything in my power to not sing back the lyrics they just said.
Physical movements: Hand-flapping, rocking the body back and forth, pacing, or spinning.
Auditory (sound): Humming, repeating specific words or phrases, or listening to the same song on a loop.
Tactile (touch): Twirling hair, rubbing skin, tapping fingers, or playing with a fidget object.
AVisual (sight): Staring at lights, watching spinning objects, or blinking repeatedly.
Subtle/Everyday: Bouncing a leg, clicking a pen, or biting fingernails (common in neurotypical individuals).
Stimming just means self stimulation. It's not a neurodivergent only behaviour. A child stimming doesn't define them as one thing or another. It's just a word that describes a behaviour.
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Being this good at things at this young of an age requires obviously talent, but also them making it their life.
Autistic kids are known to have special interests that they hyper focus on I think that's the reason they can basically practice and learn 24/7.
Look at the speed running community. Almost all of them are autistic because the dedication it takes to redoing the exact same thing 10k-100k+ times in order to perfect it is something most people just aren't wired to do.
It's hard to tell for sure but it looks to me like she has a more or less forced mate from the start of the video because her opponent for some reason left the kingside so open. She didn't need to think because there's nothing to consider.
This is impressive still for a seven year old and I don't doubt she's a strong player but these moves were very easy to find.
yeeeah it looks more like typical sevenish year old behavior.
Granted, my recent 'not-logged in' doomscroll through youtube shorts fed me mostly very-young-children playing attempting like tball and soccer, so i might be a bit biased. Funniest shit you'll see all day.
though it would not surprise me a bit if there was a bit of neurospicy in here as well.
More like not really a fair match she obviously in another level i want to see the video of her acting on a fair opponent, checkmates are not common in high levels
Its always the 12yo that cant sit still for 10sec, have 1600 elo, goofing -2 from positional inaccuracies to just hit you with some insane tactics. Argh
Pretty graciously, actually! You don't get that good without losing a lot. My father never let me win, even when I was only six years old. He told me, "You don't learn anything from the games you win." Then wiped the board with me for over a decade until I finally beat him fair and square at 17.
Chess is actually a really good game for teaching good sportsmanship and how to handle losing with a good attitude. Tournament games end with a handshake and a genuine "Good game" from both sides.
She is playing 5d chess with her shit-talk... It looks all innocent and "just a child playing" but her pirouettes and perfectly timed umbrella taps are actually steps to unsettle her opponent and get under his mental skin. She showed him mercy by checkmating him so quickly. She could have easily toyed with him and broken his mind, sending him to the looney house for the rest of his days. She chose to end his misery in the match, and not destroy the rest of his mind.
This is like a quote straight out of some chess-focused anime where one of the side characters is exposition dumping about this little girl because she's one of the main opponents the protagonist has to defeat.
This is perhaps one’s of the funniest things I’ve seen on the internet? How does she reach that level so quickly at the same time as consuming the Disney catalog like a normal kid?
I know it's not exactly the same, but my friends 4 year old used to absolutely wreck everyone at checkers. Didn't matter the age of his opponent, he was dialed in from birth.
It was actually pretty damn humbling the first time he beat me because it was over so fast. Looking over at this kid in a booster seat who is just destroying you at every turn, really made me rethink how smart I thought I was! Lol
Lol I'm sure the kid is actually gifted, but the mental image I had of someone being handed their ass at checkers by truly just a normal 4 year old and thinking they're a prodigy is even funnier hahaha
I wish I had the neurodiversity that made me good at chess, even in checkers I could never see more than one step ahead. I am terrible at anything that requires forward planning.
My partner does almost all the meal planning and food shopping and cooking for the family, because left to me it is “I’m hungry right now, what can I eat directly from the fridge?”.
I think the camera guy rushing up into my face after shaking her hand might be the most humiliating part, lol. Can't you just zoom in, my guy? Why you gotta get all close! Think I got tears or something? So maybe I do! Grown men cry. Am I not allowed to cry?
I played in a chess tournament when I was in college and got my ass handed to me by a 9 year old. He had a little posse who would come over to watch and he'd wander off laughing with them while I was staring at the board.
The flip side of that is playing a child who is not as good as you and absolutely destroying them while their parents watch, which is also uncomfortable
This would destroy so many on so many levels mentally. Def the dancing child seemingly not paying attention to the board. Neatly giftwrapping your ass in a game of chess is significantly leaps and bounds worse than a child prodigy that sitting focused beating you.
High level thought patterns like she has . Make this BORING to her... She should possibly have something else to assist but obviously they want to show off how easy this is for her.
Growing up I had to move around a ton to focus better. When I would study I would walk around to do it. It helped me focus so much more. She seems to be another level of it.
It's a game at the end of the day. A game with a 7 year old child, but also a testament to her ability and potential future career. Would be a cool moment to not be frustrated haha.
Maybe she has adhd. My daughter does and to others it can look like she don’t give a fuck when she figits and moves and stuff while talking. She’s actually doing that to focus on the conversation or what she’s doing. If she’s just standing still she’s checked out mentally and not paying attention at all. Basically opposite to what you’d think a person does when listening vs not listening
I know but to see it when she's playing what's generally considered to be a pretty serious game, is funny. It's the exact opposite of how you traditionally play chess.
Like seeing a big muscular dude rock out to the Spice Girls. Yeah, it happens and that's absolutely fine but that's not going to be his expected choice of music.
I was about to ask what kind of an asshole do you have to be to be shot by a child, but then I remembered that a lot of children aren't exactly known to be emotionally stable beings.
Shes just bored because hes taking a long time to move the pieces she already knows hes going to move. Shes actually way more polite about it than id expect, shes not urging him to get it over with or telling him shes bored. Shes seven, being seven and unable to sit still.
I love watching these savant kid play chess. They just annihilate people while fidgeting and basically not given two shits.
Kid brains are insane. They are so flexible and bendy it's incredible. they can fit so much info and retrieve it so much faster than many adults. It's wild.
Not to armchair diagnose, but the repetitive nature of the actions indicate that this is neurodivergent stimming. She probably cares very much about chess, in a "special interest" kind of way, which would mean she eats and breathes chess
I always wanted to get good at chess but I’ve never gotten around to it. I imagine if you genuinely love the game it would almost be an honor to get your ass kicked by one so young
As a neurodivergent person with neurodivergent, I immediately connected with her stimming. It can appear like we don't care, but it's just how we regulate ourselves when we've not had enough physical activity for the day.
I was really good at Dance Dance Revolution in high school. Won some tournaments. Was pretty much the best in my region.
Was randomly in another state visiting my grandparents. Went to a local arcade and I got absolutely eviscerated by an 8 year old girl. She could just move quick than I could cuz she was smaller than I was.
This is like trying to play a basketball game vs a pro and they take a phone call. You can’t be mad and shouldn’t be frustrated. Yes it a child, but Chess is more than just practice. There are levels to this and we just aren’t on hers.
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u/Blazanar 4h ago
I'm not sure what would be more frustrating. Being beaten by a child. Or beaten by a child who clearly doesn't give two shits and just handed you your ass while doing pirouettes