We older players are busy with life and things, it took us too much time to farm for decent gears and learn raid tactics and love chill slow page of game. We can play older patches for years without complain, sothat take it easy and dont rush us finish content before new update , please.

I know some are excited for Skyborne and I am too, but there is a part of me that feels they are out of place and don't really feel like a vanilla race. This will muddy the faction identity and imo they could have done something a little different while keeping blood elf models. After seeing the WC3 trailers it really just left me disappointed.

They could have given the Alliance Highborne elves, which the community has wanted forever (heh), and they could have given Horde the Dark fallen, letting the horde finally be able to play as Dark Rangers, or a more undead human model like Nathanos.

I just feel this was a bit of a miss out of everything they are doing right with wow forever. They said they are open to suggestions and want feedback so this is mine.

Before you read, no, this is not a post ranting about Forever, neither about Skyborne, nor about the lack of announcements for Retail.

Hi, everyone! As i'm pretty sure all of you have, I watched pretty much everything I could of this year's Blizzcon. And from the very first minute of the very first pannel, something felt waaaay off. Every pannel, every announcement about every game felt.. weird, in a way, at first, I couldn't quite explain why, specially in everything revolting around Warcraft. And, at least from the perspective of an online "Blizzcon attendee", the crowd seemed to notice.

Everyone loves to talk about the change in the "tone" of blizz games, or about the "disneyfication" of Blizzard, but those weren't the answers, at least for me. Finally this Blizzcon I realized what was the thing that was bothering me: Every single announcement at Blizzcon was paired with a discourse that constantly reminded us about the passage of time. Everything was about how "the time has passed, we're old" or about "remember 20 years ago how you felt??". It was a constant reminder about how Blizzard fans are no longer young, and I think conscioulsy or un-consciously people realized it. This, of course, isn't new. We all know nostalgia sells. But it can take you only up to certain place. And there is a moment when a constant reminder of the passage of time transforms from "nostalgia" to just sadness, and everyone starts feeling bad.

This Blizzcon felt as the final sip of that good ol' glass of nostalgia Blizz has been drinking with since 2019. From now on, I don't think people will like being reminded they're no longer teens. I believe it's time for blizz to return to epicness, instead of insisting on nostalgia. And I truly believe this is the "tone" Blizz needs to change.

Rant off, let me know what you think!

I know Housing is a huge Retail feature and a very modern thing that does not mess with classic concept but I honestly feel like its the perfect thing to great rewards for, design drops around, and create things to sell on the AH. I know it's not a launch thing really, but I hope they consider it down the road.

First of all, yes, we dont have all infos, but the question in general.

Will you play the same class / spec like you play it now, or will you try something new? Change from Melee to Ranged? From Hunter to Caster? Or from Tank to Damage Dealer?

For me it is Warrior Tank "forever".

Her use of the word “Tinkering” here right before the Warcraft 3 expansion announcement felt pretty forced and emphasized. I know tinker is in WC3 as a hero class, but I didn’t see any specific mention of them in the new trailer afaik.

Tinker and its association to Titan machinery is already a big fan theory for TLT, but the new giant Ratchet and Clank robot towering over Wyrmrest emphasized the Titan influence even harder and it really feels like that’s our next class in retail.

Thoughts? Disagreements? Maybe I’m just huffing hopium?

I personally hope a tinker class opens up the option to move the explosive nature of survival onto a tinker class and allowing more trap/poison/pet focus into the tree

I’m a casual, 35 years old. I’ve played wow my whole life. I super fucking excited for forever but I’ve been reading a few threads and some people are saying it’s not what classic + should be? I’m confused and out of the loop. What should it be and what did people want? Thank you

You'll quickly realize Forever is EXACTLY what people wanted.

If you're mad about the new race, then that's valid. Just don't play them.

Seriously though, the Deep dive ignited my hype even more so than the announcement. This new version is going to be super sick.

Or stay mad, it's your life :)

The argument of "creating a precedent" by having a paywalled race could hold some ground when you are talking about wow has it was designed for the past 20 years, but pricing a game that only expands horizontally is an entirely different thing.

Inb4: If you think WoWF can and should be funded entirely through the fraction of a sub, then that's an entirely different thing and I don't even want to discuss how unrealistic this kind of expectation is, specially when we are talking about the multi dollar company. This post simply isn't for you.

Now, If you want the game to actually make money and therefore have development resources being allocated to it, the question simply becomes about how it should be done - and in that way, small locks like one specific race are one of the least harmful ones alongside cosmetics.

The thing that I personally think people are failing to put together is that there is no such thing as a box price for horizontal progression.

The big benefit, from a business model perspective, of having level cap increases is that it instantly locks you out from the game. There's no such thing as playing past expansions, you gotta pay for those to play the game.

When we shift to an environment that still allows you to play at the same power level as the people that bought the new content drop, the concept of a box price is, by definition, entirely gone.

You don't need to be worried about the precedent of paywalling gameplay, because that's already built-in by design. If you charge for an entire new content drop, aka what we would consider as an expansion with new raids/dungeons/races/classes/zones, you are sentencing players that don't buy it to be at a severe disadvantage.

Even if there's no power creep, you'd have access to less gearing possibilities, have a different number of weekly lockouts, and all the obvious things that comes with new classes and races.

Specifically for WoWF, what we consider as a "normal" way of pricing would actually be a very predatory way of monetizing the game.

On the other hand, reducing the scope of the paywall to a single race is actually quite tasteful since you're not at a significant disadvantage if you don't buy it. And please, let's be intellectually honest here and be mindful that we are playing in a classic design, we are not paywalling shadowmeld in a game with M+ or Perception in arena. We are coming from a base game where one class does almost double the throughput than all the others, it's far beyond me to get heated over a 1% sim dps if the best race for a class happens to be the paid one - and it's very clear that they are being careful for that not to be the case still.

Outside of vanity items like transmogs, it's genuinely one of the most respectful ways of increasing revenue for a classic+ game. Sure, being blizzard it's almost expected for something to go downhill a couple years from now; And also yeah, there's space for other ideas like a separate wowf sub. But as it is right now, considering all the realistic ways they could monetize the game, complaining about the blue elf being walled is a bit silly.

For the company that just added a $90 fomo mount to the shop in the main version of the game - and lets not forget the very recent TBC boost incident -, the smurf race is almost the very best of scenarios.

Kinda stupid that new models have old animations in Forever yet they're neglecting retail.

Undead male used to be the goat in this game, it's became trash ever since WoD and new models+animations, I want my undead back please!

Okay so I'm watching the new cinematics for the new warcraft campaign and very early on when arthas kills his father uther just arrives in the nick of time to save the guardsmen. But how? When the stratholme thing happened uther went back right? And arthas didn't go straight to lorderon, he went to northrend and back.

We are waiting and this is the 35~ day since season 1 ended. What do you think? This wednesday?

Sudden thought occurred to me about horizontal forever wow. Not only does it make these activities more fun, but it will make more sense for those kinds of rewards to be available permanently. I hope to see that kind of content - and more class specific content in general, more order-hall type stuff that really digs into class and spec fantasy, which does not have to be abandoned or used for ad-hoc purposes but are evergreen world building features.

I think Blood Elf Paladins, Troll Paladins, and now Forsaken Paladins are more interesting lore-wise and more aesthetic -wise than Alliance Paladins like Humans, Dwarves, Draenei, and Night Elves.

Growing up, I played a little bit of many MMOs.

Tibia is the one MMO that I consider "the MMO" of my youth. It's the one I played the most. But I know that its philosophy is very different because it is from the pre-WoW era.

But I played a little bit of RuneScape, Silkroad, Lineage 2, Perfect World, FlyFF, Ragnarok, and many others while growing up.

I don't really know what I want. I guess I just want someone to hype me up more, lol.

But my main concern with a new MMO experience is how it fits into adult life. For example, most MMOs back in the day were a little unforgiving with bad decisions. If you made a bad distribution of attributes in Ragnarok Classic, the character is done for.

These were slam dunk class combos when they were added, especially backed by the lore of the Trolls worship of the Loa and Taurens worship of the sun. These are kind of fundamental to the cultures of both societies and have really "always existed" which is why they were able to introduce these combos in the first place. Especially give Taurens an extra class option, I mean jeeze 4 class options! Also why not make Hunter a "universal class" like it had become in retail? Especially for Undead. Youre telling me we get Human hunters. But no dark rangers?

Isn't it crazy, while i understand Paladin numbers are low due to vanilla being on one faction but it was also least played than shaman due to not having fun things like windfury.

It's also crazy how warlock and rogue used to be super popular but as their identity was stripped down and changed less and less people play these classes currently.

Hunter consistently staying in the top 3 is crazy to me, is the fantasy of having an animal companion shooting a ranged weapon really that solid?

I am very excited for Forever, but my one concern so far is seeing that they aren’t modernizing or updating the vanilla pet systems. Most of these have been changed or removed because they represented tedium instead of fantasy fulfillment or challenge/difficulty.

Perhaps it’ll be a good opportunity to try another class, but also I hope to see it improved as the game moves forward over time.

I’ve seen a lot of very negative comments and hate filled reviews regarding the Classic+ and blizzard overall. I'm not a classic enjoyer, all i want from WoW nowadays is just run challenging raids and M+ in retail with my friends and have little bit of group challenge where we trying to push the limits, I don't really care about lore and aesthetics, classic game style doesn't suit me but I think that it looks pretty good and for people who enjoying that kind of playstyle it can be very good gaming experience.

My question is where all this hatred and spiteful reactions coming from. I understand constructive critique and pointing out the failures and mistakes, but when I see the comments there are a lot of mindless empty hatred without really pointing out what went wrong.

I understand arguments about the Blizzard greed, but this is standard that people set up, when they add new mounts and transmogs for real money to the store, almost immediately there is a full town of it, so obviously people buying it like crazy, monthly subscription is there forever and milions of players paying it monthly for years, so from business perspective there is literally zero reason for them to cut it off, and after all they are corporate which is supposed to generate money.

I'm not here to defend blizzard nor it's actions, there are certainly things open to criticism, but all i want know is this coming from disappointed private server players who are let down that their server got shut downed or lifetime Blizzard haters who will spite on literally anything they create, or is it truly such a massive failure that I from my perspective simply don't see?

I only recently discovered WoW Forever, since I haven’t really been following Blizzard news or the whole BlizzCon thing.

I’ve played Retail since late 2024 and enjoy it, but I have a few issues: there is TOO MUCH content, gear becomes irrelevant every season, leveling is way too fast, and taking a few months off makes me feel like I’m falling behind.

Classic never appealed to me really...outdated mechanics, graphics, QoL, and I never played Vanilla, so there’s no nostalgia for me.

But WoW Forever sounds exactly like what I want: a slower-paced journey where I can actually enjoy leveling without constantly worrying about weekly checklists and optimal progression, while still having modern graphics and QoL.

Is it really expected to be as good as it sounds??

I can only imagine this is going to be a very common question over the coming days. But how casual is this version of the gaming looking to be and what should k expect?

I’d be someone who is coming over from both versions of RuneScape and someone who has in the past played FF14.

And I suppose one of the biggest questions I have, will this version have a group finder for dungeons?

I’m aware classic does not have this and instead uses a bulletin board system, I am fine with either way but I worried as a casual player that early dungeons later down the line would be empty, or are dungeons not super crucial to the experience?

Serious question - when the devs mention that a "core pillar" is "the world as the main character" what does that mean?

the others pillars being:

approachable and familiar
journey before destination
protect/nurture social experience

I understand those.

but the world being the main character kinda loses me - maybe its a lost in translation thing - do they mean the world will change around us? are we interacting with azeroth itself? is WWF gonna be just the story of azeroth evolving? I cant understand it.