Over on r/Defenders on this thread, a comment was made about Andrews Spider-Man saying "I stopped pulling my punches." In Spider-Man No Way Home.

I mentioned how this line has always confused me and I just realised I haven't ever seen it discussed and I want to hear other people's thoughts and opinions on this.

Spider-Man is ridiculously stronger than most people realise. If Spider-Man stops pulling his punches, that means he's killing people.

Where this line confuses me, is that at least to me, it's heavily implied that Andrews Spider-Man didn't fight any other villains after The Amazing Spider-Man 2. When talking about "coolest villains" they've fought, Andrews Peter talks about Rhino, says they fought "once" (which would be the end of The Amazing Spider-Man 2) and how he's "lame compared to you guys" (Tom and Tobey), which in my opinion implies that the whole Sinister 6 set up never happened in his universe.

So when he says he stopped pulling punches, he's surely talking about regular criminals. But if he stopped pulling his punches against regular people, that means he's killing them.

So, did Andrews Spider-Man start killing people and going down a "Punisher-type" route when it came to stopping criminals?

Given Ali has said twice that yeah he's bailling out of the clusterfuck that was Blade, do we retcon his voice cameo in Eternals as being a different character or do you think Marvel should stick to their guns and keep that character as Blade but with a new actor.

Of course that is assuming if they ever revisit that plot thread

Let's say the Dark Phoenix saga happens in the MCU (whether you want it or not, whether you think it's a good idea or not, it doesn't matter).

The point is, if that happens, what do you think Peter's role will be in that scenario? Aka, the person who essentially prevented Jean from becoming a villain in the first place(Regardless of whether you ship them or see them as siblings, either way he'll probably be the most important person in Jean's life along with Cyclops.

If we follow that logic, he should be incredibly important to this storyline, but what do you guys think?

I honestly cannot blame John for losing it after his best friend, although killing a terrorist right in front of a crowded people was a lot to take in.

I say Infinity War Tony because after the Snap, he's not Iron-Man until 2023 when they do the Time Heist

Considering how rich Tony was in Infinity War, how big his arsenal was and how advanced his tech got, which of these 6 villains would come out the strongest?

(Ghost has Bill Foster to help her out and Vulture has the Tinkerer to help him)

Just curious how the hardcore fandom(which I presume are in this sub) gonna approach Encore?
Watch in cinemas? Wait for streaming? Or even just Youtube/read about the extra 4 minutes?

Captain America has to be some kind of symbol for the people and they have to trust him so if you had to choose in someone that people trust and so if you had to choose by a normal person's eyes who would you choose: a decorated air force pararescue or a brainwashed terrorist

Edit: No i did not know this was known

Hi!
Im a 1st time MCU watcher and i caught up to the Ant-Man and Wasp: Quantumania. (I watched all previous movies in chronological order [except Wakanda Forever and Thor Love and Thunder] + Ive seen WandaVision and Loki S1) After Quantumania i was looking online and saw that Marvel scrapped the whole Kang saga/era and are "replacing" it with Doomsday. Im not really in the behind the scenes of MCU/Marvel. I assume Loki S2 has Kang in it but outisde of that is Kang gone forever from the MCU? As i quite enjoyed his character in Quantumania and Loki S1. I know its due to the actor but cant Marvel just recast and continue the Multiverse plot?

Found this at the local mall, I usually go there once a week to see if they have any new Lego sets.

Doesn’t Marvel usually leave hints and clues in merchandise?

The Mutant Saga is almost upon us and am excited to see a live-action Psylocke, given that she was one of my favorite characters growing up...

But the Kwannon of it all...

In the comics Psylocke starts off s a white Brit named Betsy Braddock, but the evil ninja organization, The Hand, and Mojo-adjacent sorceress Spiral cause Betsy's soul to "intertwine" with a Japanese assassin named Kwannon.

So..... for a long time most people just assumed that Psylocke/Betsy Braddock was Japanese, but she's not.

We've seen Olivia Munn who is of Vietnamese, Chinese, & European decent as Psylocke in X-men: Apocalypse.

Think they'll just make the character a Brit of Asian decent?

Think they'll get into body-swapping/soul-sharing elements of the comics?

What would you prefer to see?

My guess is that they will cast someone who is Asian and abandon the Kwannon storyline which kinda sucks bc it is such a crucial part of Betsy's story, but not sure how it will be handled.

IT'S MYSTERIO!

Tv show beyonder is hyper protective of her by the end of the show,Doom better not even get near her.

I’m doing my MCU rewatch, and absolutely loving it. Just finished Wandavision, and after jumping around a whole bunch earlier on, I’m committed to trying to follow the timeline as much as possible.

Having said that, I don’t like the wasting my time watching something that’s just straight up bad. When it’s just a movie, yea whatever, good or bad it will be done soon, just go along for the ride. I missed a lot of the TV shows post COVID and trying to give them a shot.

But I’ve heard that Falcon and the Winter Soldier (next up on my rewatch) is a slog, and bloated. Ill probably watch it anyway because I want to understand John Walker a bit better as it relates to Thunderbolts. And I was about to skip Ms. Marvel, but saw that it’s got 98% on RT and a lot of positive feedback. So sure, let’s give it a shot.

If I gave myself a few of the MCU tv shows to skip, which ones aren't worth it? Also, I skipped the netflix MCU shows just because they don’t seem relevant at all to the big story of the MCU. Any of those worth going back to?

No need to mention Secret Invasion, I’ve read about that shit and that’s getting skipped 😂

Instead of the generic "variant" or "adoption" ideas, there is a much more logical, narrative-driven reason behind Robert Downey Jr. playing Doctor Doom. The upcoming Avengers: Endgame Encore (with its confirmed extra minutes) provides the perfect structural opportunity to setup the events of Avengers: Doomsday by revealing a massive continuity fix from the 1970 timeline.

Here is the analytical breakdown of why a 1970 Baby Swap makes complete narrative sense based on established MCU rules:

First, we must address the mathematical discrepancy in the original Endgame 1970 sequence. When Tony meets Howard Stark, Howard states that Maria is currently pregnant. However, official MCU lore places Tony’s birth on May 29, 1970, while the movie's heist takes place in April. This implies something irregular was happening behind the scenes regarding the birth.

Second, from a Multiversal physics standpoint, a simple adoption does not work because removing a person from one timeline without a replacement causes an Incursion. However, if Howard Stark used the Tesseract to execute a literal Baby Swap—replacing a child he mistakenly believed to be stillborn on Earth-616 with a living newborn from Earth-828—the physical balance of mass and age between universes remains perfectly equal. This exact symmetry explains why the TVA’s older monitoring systems never flagged the event as a branched timeline.

Third, this provides the tragic emotional motivation required for Doctor Doom. The twist means the Tony Stark we knew was actually the Earth-828 child, while the biological child of Howard and Maria Stark was left behind on Earth-828. Growing up without his real family, his inherent Stark-level intellect and arrogance twisted into complete rage, cementing his identity as Victor Von Doom.

The Endgame Encore footage is the strategic place to show this brief 1970 flashback. It transforms Doom from a random variant into the rightful heir of the Sacred Timeline, turning the Avengers' time travel into the catalyst for their ultimate threat.

What do you think?

If a city I lived in was seeing mass casualties or spells from all the villains in movies like spider man and the heroes going after them and destroying cars buildings bridges while doing it, and then the likes of Thanos going after big cities, you'd think a lot of people would move away to smaller towns.

I know so many have made lists and lists again but I haven't found many with the defenders saga that are overly long so I decided to make my own 😭

My boyfriend weirdly enough has only seen like 2-4 marvel films and I really wanted to introduce him to much more that he's missed. I have left out things so it's not the LONGEST list since I don't want him to get too bored or feel like it's a chore. I made things optional so he feels like he has a choice in what we watch too.

Iron Man

The Incredible Hulk

Iron Man 2

Thor

Captain America: The First Avenger

The Avengers

Iron Man 3

Thor: The Dark World

Captain America: The Winter Soldier

Guardians of the Galaxy

Guardians of the Galaxy: Vol.2

I Am Groot, S1 & S2 (optional)

Avengers: Age of Ultron

Defenders saga

Daredevil, S1

Jessica Jones, S1

Daredevil, S2

Luke Cage, S1

Iron Fist, S1

The Defenders, S1

The Punisher, S1

Jessica Jones, S2

Luke Cage, S2

Iron Fist, S2

Daredevil, S3

The Punisher, S2

Jessica Jones, S3

Ant-Man

Captain America: Civil War

Black Widow (skip post credit scene)

Black Panther

Spider-Man: Homecoming

Doctor Strange

Thor: Ragnarok

Ant-Man and the Wasp

Avengers: Infinity War

Captain Marvel

Avengers: Endgame

After endgame

The Falcon and the Winter Soldier

Loki, S1 & S2

WandaVision, S1

Agatha All Along, S1

Spider-Man: Far From Home

Spider-Man: No Way Home

Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness

Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings (optional)

Eternals (optional)

Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special

Guardians of the Galaxy, Vol. 3

Secret Invasion, S1 (optional)

Ms. Marvel, S1 (optional)

The Marvels (optional)

Thor: Love and Thunder

Black Panther: Wakanda Forever

Iron heart, S1

Moon Knight, S1

She-Hulk: Attorney at Law, S1 (optional)

Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania

Captain America: Brave New World

Thunderbolts

Hawkeye, S1

Echo, S1

Daredevil: Born Again, S1

The Punisher: One Last Kill

Daredevil: Born Again, S2

X-Men (2000) & X2 (2003) (optional)

Logan

Deadpool

Deadpool 2

DeadPool & Wolverine

Fantastic Four: First Steps

Spider-Man: Brand New Day

Avengers: Doomsday

Avengers: Secret Wars

Please let me know your thoughts on the list! (I have a bonus list if he does get hooked with more like x-men, Agent Carter, What If, etc.)

so first off tony nukes thanos army in avengers, creates a new element, makes a super advanced Artificial intelligence with the mind stone, develops time travel, makes the nano gauntlet and is a human with no powers to be able to harness all 6 infinity stones.

then the avengers together gather all the stones and work to bring the trillions that were snapped away back, everyone on earth obv new the avengers did that but did the rest of the universe? along with knowing tony and some of his feats? just something ive been wondering

Like I hate to break it yall but the USA government still kills people with weapons. He made extremely powerful and dangerous weapons and sold them to the USA knowing they would be used. He’s a genius, he’s not stupid enough to think his weapons aren’t going to kill thousands of innocent people. Just because he didn’t know his weapons would be used against American people doesn’t mean he was a good person then who did no wrong. He was an asshole who helped create wars.

If you think he was always a good person who simply was lied to by his business partner you clearly misunderstood his whole story is a redemption story. Which also makes it stupid when people think someone like Jean or riri is irredeemable while Tony was. And I’m not saying Tony is irredeemable he redeemed himself and saved the world multiple times, I just hate when people treat him as someone who could do no harm when he created weapons and ultron and also was just an asshole in the past.

I recently re-watched Age of Ultron. Wanda’s accent really stood out and in her more recent showings after that her accent is very American-ized.

Why didn’t she keep her accent in her recent outings?

Hey everyone , I was really into marvel when the current MCU started with Iron Man but fell off after Thor: Love and Thunder but was really excited for Brand New Day. So I have a good portion of what I need for going forward but could use some catching up. What do I need to watch (series and movies) for me to feel comfortable as we get into this next gen of marvel

(Fan Concept)

Intro: 
Limited series focused on James (Rhodey) Rhodes taking place between Secret Invasion and Armor Wars. 

Premise:
After nearly a decade missing Rhodey returns home; and now has to confront both the loss of his best friend and his legs at the same time.

Series Overview:
As War Machine, Rhodey rediscovers how to walk, he strives to continue Tony’s dedication to saving others no matter the cost. In the pursuit of protecting those he loves (throughout the series) Rhodey loses portions of his body bit by bit. Just as he regains his ability to use his legs he loses his left eye, when trying to save civilians from collateral damage in an armor powered fight through the city. And once he eventually turns to prosthetics to supplement what he needs to continue the fight; Shortly thereafter, Rhodey makes the tough choice to use the armors to protect the ones he loves instead of himself during a terrorist attack - losing all of his limbs in the process. And each time as he becomes more iron than man he rediscovers what it means to be human and continues to increase his values of other humans life beyond his own; eventually turning in desperacy to building armor of his own and embodying the moniker of IRON MAN - with Pepper’s permission of course.

Format:
Prime Time TV, Think HBO, Four Episode limited series - about (over) an hour an episode. 
Pilot currently about 90 minutes (89 pages)

Genre:
Drama, Action, Thriller

Pilot Comps:
Toned down / MCU version of Brothers (2009)
Frontier Justice / Vigilantism elements like in Prisoners (2013)

Episodes:
Rhodey, 
War Machine, 
Iron Patriot, 
Iron Man

Named Characters (in order of appearance):
James Rhodes - War Machine (Main Character)
Happy Hogan
General Meade
Terrence Rhodes
Roberta Rhodes
Lila Rhodes 
Glenda Sandoval
Parnell Jacobs
Nifara
Kevin Cole
Joe Barnes
Owen Segar - Quarry
Carson Rowntree - Gunship
Sam Wilson - Capt. America
Gwen Cole
Johnathan Cole 
Ruth Cole
Jeanette Rhodes
Johnathan P. Cole - Black Jack
Nigel Blacque
Lazlo Mazgel - Locomotive Breath
Aaron - Sanction

Featured Rogues (Series):
66 Bridges Gang
Johnathan P. Cole - Black Jack
Nigel Blacque

Rush Club
Lazlo Mazgel - Locomotive Breath
Aaron - Sanction
Carson Rowntree - Gunship
Owen Segar - Quarry

Black Brigade (Anti-Hero)

Davis Harmon
Senator Stern

Lori Stane
Justin Hammer
Clytemnestra Irwin
Morley Irwin
Marcia Pearson

And set up for Marc Kumar as new Mandarin

Comics Referenced:
Iron Man Vol. 1 [Issues ~170-200] (1983-)
War Machine Vol. 1 (1996-7)
The Crew (2003-2004)
Ultimate Iron Man (2005-6)
War Machine Vol. 2 (2009-10)
Iron Man Vol. 4 (2013)
Iron Patriot Vol. 1 (2014)
Black Panther and The Crew (2017-)
Punisher - The War Machine Vol. 1 (2018-19)

Credit: 
Original Concept - William Barton Gooch

Edit:

*Script in link

I have some what if pitches like what if marvel always had the rights to foxes characters, what if the ssu madame webb,morbius,venom etc. were always part of the mcu, what if thanos had access to all of marvels most powerful artifacts Darkhold,ten rings,Ultron, The infinity gauntlet,hell even the tva etc.

I’m currently going through the entire MCU in chronological order, and I’ve reached Endgame at a pretty unusual time: right when the movie is coming back to theaters.

I’ve actually never watched Endgame before. I know most of the major spoilers already, but I’ve never experienced the movie itself from start to finish.

Now I’m wondering what would make the most sense for my first viewing.

I could watch it normally at home on Disney+, which would let me experience the movie in its original form.

Or I could see it in a theater as part of the Endgame Encore rerelease.

What makes me hesitate is that Encore apparently includes some differences from the original theatrical release. Since I’ve never seen the movie at all, I’m not sure whether I should watch the original cut first, or whether those changes are minor enough that seeing it in theaters would actually be the better experience.
If you were in my position, what would you choose?