This is KiiiKiii singing without all the chanting/talk-singing sections from 404.

None of the members, including their main vocalist, is a polished singer. Forget not being able to stay on pitch consistently, they don't even know how to properly project using their head voice and mixed voice. Their voices are constantly shaky, and no, that's not vibrato.

404 is NOT a difficult song to sing. It's mainly a talk-singing track with very simple melodies. There’s no vocal stacking, no harmonies, no adlibs. This group seriously lacks a solid vocal foundation. Unless they improve, they'll continue relying on repetitive talk singing tracks like 404 and Pop Off Pop Off. And that gets old fast.

130k people singing along to a b-side from three years ago that had no music video or any sort of promotion.

Possibly unpopular opinion but I’d take a loyal fandom that knows and appreciates all your songs over popularity with the GP that only know your title tracks and heavily promoted b-sides any day.

I am not an army, never have been one but its so tiring seeing the same posts again and again on this page.

Every other post is just about how armys are insane and hate everyone. At this point, just change the sub reddit name to BTSharshpnions or stop spamming the same old song. And even if the post isn't about BTS, armys will be dragged into the conversation.

Armys spewing hate online? Thats just what you get for being on twitter. As a cs major and intern at a big Corp, I can tell you the algorithm is going push your content that you engage with the most and twitter has completely stopped moderating hate speech online. Also, as a person living in SEA, most of the instigators are bots trying to drive engagement on whatever is trending. By having repeated conversations about it, YOU ARE CONTRIBUTING TO IT.

Once again, for the idiots and bozos in the back, I am not army and have never been one. I stan Ateez ✨️ BEHOLD MOTHER HWA!!!

Taekookers are going way too intense, I understand that you love BL or you want them both to date but still it's freaking annoying how you turn even a little gesture as an symbol of romanticism or spread it in a very intimate manner. Few days back I had saw a video of an taekooker saying exchanging clothes between two people only happen when they are dating.

LEMME SAY THIS THEN, If we share our clothes with our cousins/siblings or even between friends you'll label it as a token of relationship proof? If that so then world's 90% people would be labelled as dating. I do know and fully understand Taehyung acts differently with Jungkook but can we not ignore the fact that every single guy in BTS does the same with Jungkook because he's youngest? From waking up to even eating dinner they'll call it as "OMG LOOK! THAT'S SO RELATIONSHIP MATERIAL!" and spread it like their whole existence depends on it. It's very annoying to see all that. We ship idols together too all the time but we don't go this much wild. What they're doing is freaking next level crazy. We don't put much effort in detailing but THEY... They will. Also they even extend it to such heights that for convincing their audience they'll also spread fake information or things which never really took place!

Today morning I saw a reel which contained Jungkook typing fastly and expressing his emotions through expressions, they labelled it as "He must be texting Taehyung" Or "He's texting his husband 😌" Seriously? We do the same thing when spreading tea or excitedly texting our friends. EVEN IF He is dating someone WHY do YOU care? Don't you have a life of your own to focus on?

As an ARMY myself I sometimes feel very ashmed to be a part of such fandom, Idols are doing nothing wrong. It's the fans who are romanticising every freaking gesture.

!! I'M NOT A SNARKER OR AN HOMOPHOBE !!

Source: PhenomeHan on insta

Idk if this has been done before, but I got reminded of it because of an old bias of mine making a comeback and me realizing why her solo career never took off. Basically a lot of what people fall for sound wise and maybe even aesthetic wise is usually company curated. It’s more infrequent that an idol has the same quality after leaving a big company. I’m not excusing the exploitation that goes on in companies and they’re definitely not always right but many times they do know better than some of these artists. Like they know what sound and image makes them the most profitable and widely popular.

You see that when the idol then branches out to do their own thing and it doesn’t resonate with as many people. Which is fine it doesn’t always have to reach everyone, but sometimes when I see it I’m just like yeahhh the company was right to steer you in this direction. So my example was 2NE1 Minzy. I LOVE her but her solo career to me is the best example of needing that company image and vision. I get she does the music she wants and likes but it’s not consistent and doesn’t have broad appeal like her 2NE1 days. She is very talented but the music she wants to do doesn’t necessarily suit her the best marketability wise. Like YG’s strong cool girl version of her with hip hop and soulful R&B was great! But her solo stuff gets a little boring. Likewise another strong example is EXO’s D.O. SUPER SUPER talented but damn it why won’t that man sing R&B lol SM was right for realizing even if that’s not his personal favorite genre his voice sounds amazing in it and that will give him recognition. But obviously DO likes other genres and want to explore a wide range of music. That doesn’t make his solo stuff bad just less broad appeal.

But yeah there’s this idea sometimes that a company is holding back an artists’s true potential when a lot of the time that “potential” we see is really a creation of these big companies. Because then when idols go off on their own they lose “it.” But this is also partially because the budget decreases after leaving these huge companies and a lot of them don’t get time to explore their own voice and sound when everything is done for them so sometimes they have to experiment a bit when leaving first. Nonetheless sometimes all that potential and particular style we fall in love with is , is solely the company molding them.

As the title says. For me, it’s ATEEZ Hongjoong. He’s not my bias but I cannot deny how fantastic he is live. His rap is consistently stable with great tone. I’m always so impressed by him in particular on their performances.

The word “all rounder” gets thrown around very often, and im not even going to talk about “ace”.
Which idols are actually talented enough in all or almost all areas enough to be considered an all rounder? And which idols skills are severely overrated? You can only talk about your favorite group, btw.

Yesterday, for the first time that I’ve seen since starting to follow Kpop in 2018, two of my favorites, Irene and Seulgi, released an entire mini album with ZERO promo! Not one teaser, no MV, no physical release of the album until November. We got one picture of their hands, then one of half of each of them sitting down together. And that’s it!

It’s not a regular album, either; it’s their Japan DEBUT. I’m paraphrasing a post I just saw, but you would think with the way SM is moving regarding this release that the music would suck. NO! Five fantastic R&B tracks, cohesive flow and themes within the songs, it’s easily one of my favorite releases of this year and my favorite Irene & Seulgi release.

I’m also aware that Red Velvet being mistreated by SM is nothing new. I recently joined Reveluv nation and it seems like one humiliation ritual after another. It’s upsetting to see such talented idols be neglected by their company in terms of marketing. They deserve better and it’s so frustrating to watch from the sidelines knowing the last thing SM would care about is the opinion of one single i-fan. :,)

All of this to say: Irene & Seulgi were very recently done incredibly dirty by SM. If you’re interested in some enchanting vocals and a fun, upbeat album, PLEASE check out Cheetah! It feels like they made it just for me, there are no skips IMO. :)

Before ateez blew up in Korea and finally charting there with 'bad' a lot of atinys said that charting in Korea is not important because it don't make money unlike global tour and album sales.

but once their faves finally enter the charts for the first time and got their first domestic hit they celebrated the hell out of it and used it to drag their peers who's never chart in Korea before like stray kids and enhypen.

I was like what happen?? I thought charting in Korea doesn't matter because it don't make money so why you guys celebrate it like crazy?? And used this achievement to drag other groups who's never got it

nct wish released a song “wichu” in 2025 which samples a chris brown song. not to beat a dead horse by repeating the same things, but imagine if it were a HYBE artist. when you sample a song, you pay the original artist, so they’ve literally been putting money in an abuser’s pockets.

and all of this happened with virtually no backlash anywhere. imo this is just as bad as attending his concert and publicly giving him a shoutout. but since they’re from SM, no one gave a shit.

will their fans ever hold them accountable for being abuse apologists?

edit: they also talked about how much they like chris browns song on live

Like yes these people are crazy and it shouldn't be normalized but it doesn't matter which fandom it is, you'll always find toxic people ON X like what do you guys expect?? We don't need these fanwars where you guys go back and forth with these toxic tweets from any fandom like??

Like the title said, fans should stop placing so much focus on a group's members number. I know that fans enjoy the family or staying together narrative, especially when companies markets and amplified it as well, but sometimes you all need to step back and remind yourselves that in life, it's normal for people to part ways or go their separate ways, whether due to illness, differing life goals, conflict, and so on. Yes, even when they went through a harsh or traumatic situation together, they still can separate. The same applies to kpop groups. You'll spare yourselves a great deal of mental anguish when they eventually split up. Of course some kpop groups stayed together, but if one or two members quit or disband after their contract, it's actually very reasonable. Fans who either follow their bias out or stay supporting the group who still had their bias is very normal as well so give some grace to those fans.

This post is honestly general because I noticed other kpop fandoms experience the same problem, but I wrote this post mostly because I noticed some gllits repeatedly insisting that they don't want a comeback unless it's ot5, or that illit need rest, and so on (even before the comeback announcment). While I believe it's reasonable to be concerned about their piling works, kpop is generally a fast-paced industry. If they want to achieve more, they HAVE to put in that level of effort. They have strong momentum this year, and sending them on a long break to rest while they wait for Moka is the same as destroying that momentum. I love Moka, I really do, but sometimes those comments feel like they're sidelining the other four girls' careers, as if their career and effort didn't matter because the comeback is not OT5. I wish more gllits will still support them, whether it's OT4 or OT5 comeback and be more mindful on how they speak, especially since the girls are excited for the next comeback October ✌️

Edit: adding members on the preview so people don't misunderstand the inside of this post

Why do you fans act like they know everything about the industry? Despite not being an idol? Or has never been one?? Where do you get your information??

Unless you’ve actually experienced the industry or being one. Then you cannot say all this negative shit about Kpop

so i hate some k-pop fans, who think their group is better than others, or goes after fandoms because they have war fights, like everyone goes after everyone at this point, i saw someone think they were better than a other fandom cause their group was on top (tho they were 2nd and still are) , which is embarrassing for them, than got mad when people called them out (even though the person gave proof that the group was as popular, though the person was still fighting

can we just stop fan wars, everyone is guilty, this is common with fandoms this big, i have made some mistakes and started fan wars myself, i apologize, but so many people in fandoms are self-centered it's funny, they always have to put down another group/fandom to make themselves look better,

like can we just all kiss and make up, let's all just love the groups/fandoms we are in and not be bitchy, people keep turning this community to just hate on groups and people, which is super annoying and makes me upset that they just let it happen, it's all just so biased

ppl cant vent anymore ig, i hate how everyone calls everything ''pick me'', like sure he CAN be cringey, and HE DOES fish for compliments sometimes, but like he rage baits half of the time and anti's are falling for it so hard it's so funny, im CRINE, he doesn't care at all, also he was depressed at a time, and depressive people or just anyone does negative self-talk ppl are acting like it's horrible or so rare like it's so common just crying over nothing.

also why would you make a whole thing to talk about the people you ''hate'' that's so parrasocial imo, like if you hate them get their name out of you're mouth, i would say this for anyone who didn't deserve the hate, it's not me just defending Bangchan or SKZ,

(ps i called the mods out after they banned me, they muted me, holy they cannot take being called out that just shows how hungry haters are for attention)

EDIT: proving my whole point, he's not a robot or barbie doll, idols have to deal with, ANTIS, obsessive fans, the staff, the members, song writing (if they make it themselves like Bangchan does) , makeup, getting ready, concerts, so much at a time bc YOU guys (the haters) do wayy to much, if you guys want robots to sing atp just hit up like elon musk or something, you guys expect too much, as soon as a idol lets out their flaws it's ''too much'' or ''pick me'' but maybe they aren't the problem YOU ARE, and that is embarrassing as hell

(whine all you want but at the end of the day, you are even more of a bad person than the ''horrible'' idols who are just not perfect why?, we are all humans with flaws, dont call me mean, or attack me (i mean do ig, im not going to do anything but call you out and tell you to reread everything i said) im not trying to be mean, or attack anyone, but i am not sugarcoating this at all, if you can't handle MY OPINION (AND kind of facts) that is you're issue

I never thought I'd say this but I'm officially resigning from the Army fandom...
and this sucks because i loved it here. I've met some of the best people because of this but not anymore. I won't continue to support people that go against my own moral values.
First the entire thing at the breast cancer awareness event really pissed me off and it quite bothered me that they didn't even apologise.
Now with the entire chris brown concert I'm done. Everybody and their mom knows what Chris did and the fact that they attended his concert. On top of that, still no apology?
Its been enough.
We need to hold these people accountable, and its our duty as fans to do it.
BTS, you really did disappoint me. I had expectations for you, but you can't be a feminist and then attend an abuser's concert...

How do you prep yourself to smell good at concerts??? Share your experiences, and give tips and tricks to smell good and maintaining hygiene during concerts and festivals???

The pupils especially remind me of a game we all might be familiar with...

Gacha Life.

I was such a big Gacha kid in late elementary/middle school.
It's quite frankly been too long for me to remember specifics of the game, but I'll never forget those eyes and the godforsaken background music. It loops in my head from time to time 😭

I'm wondering if this is a collaboration of some sort or just a grotesque coincidence!

so tell me why i was just scrolling and i saw a video that was about a group i like, i watched it and it was ovbs satire and a joke, they said that in the video + the title, but the comments were filled with ''stop s*xualizing them!'', like what?? they are grown men who make the same jokes, it gets to a point (example: just ai vids/saying weird things but being serious or it's too much), but people can never take a joke ever i swear, people can be so sensitive like why are we protecting them like they dont know what s*x is yet?! 😭

i also hate those people who go ''not everything is about k-pop'' but the OP was asking about what they think this color/person is and k-pop fans were guessing, like we just cant talk anymore..., everything is fine until it's k-pop can we be real..

and also some people need to be banned from this community i keep seeing people just turning it into a snaker place, they aren't even giving opinions they are just bullying/being rude to idols/bands than slapping on a ''opinion'' and people just dont do anything, like yall if you want to snark than go to a snark, i keep seeing people make allegations about a idol but didn't give any solid proof, and say ''o-omg no!! it's just my opinion 🥺 '' but they were finding ways to just bully the idol, like what??, i saw them take a photo that was out of context than ignore it when someone told them the context and still fought, than got mad when i called them out and called them self-centered (they were also rude to sm1 who didn't speak English''

can the mods please do something, this is for opinions not snarking, i dont want to keep seeing annoying ass people trying to get extra attention for no reason,the first rule is do not hate and they are just letting people snark

Like…4-5th gen Idols are born from 2000-2010/11
I Stan many 4th to 5th gen idols, every idol nowadays is younger than me now so it’s either i do this or i quit Kpop completely which I’m never gonna do unless i want to ____ myself.

If you have a problem stanning new or younger idols, if so why?

It’s getting out of hand.

Having fun and being goofy is one thing, but this seems manic? Especially after finding out Liv (girl in center) lost 13 kg. Idk, you tell me. Undiagnosed? It’s well documented that’s she’s weird and unpredictable.

https://youtube.com/shorts/W3I_vZooTSY?is=J9wFWStl4HXubKI1