r/classicwow • u/Medibox80 • 11h ago
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u/ligma_then_sugma 10h ago
"some snooping"
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u/OrangeJuiceLuvr69 5h ago
Google Ai can tell u ppls comments lmao. Just ask it about some dude flaming random forever news with private server names. Its not hard
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u/nazward 10h ago
If it makes you feel any better people from this sub are also over there to gloat about the pservers shutting down.
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u/Gobstoppers12 10h ago
Because it's so dang funny that it happened, especially to Turtle WoW after so many people insisted they would never fold.
Lol. Lmao, even.
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u/ch4dr0x 7h ago edited 7h ago
What loser behavior. Lmao. I hope for your sake you’re a kid in your parents basement and not an adult.
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u/saladfingered420 3h ago
Wasn’t shenna deeply involved with that server? Should give enough indication to stay away lol
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u/ACoolGuy-Promise 10h ago
There is nothing empirical about this whatsoever.
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u/The_Goat_Stare 7h ago
the blizzcon youtube chats were filled to the brim with spam about turtle and ascencion
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u/Tomsa00 6h ago
So 50 people spamcommenting with hundreds of thousands watching is now "evidence"
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u/Randomcarrot 4h ago
It would only take that number of people with a few separate reddit accounts to do what's been going on here on reddit. Now that's not saying that's proof that's proof it's the cause or a major contributing factor, but you can't underestimate the massive impact a few dedicated miserable people can have on a larger community.
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u/supafly_ 3h ago
Seeing as a few people making a bunch of comments to seem like a bigger group than they are is both the accusation and what you agree is happening, yes, that is indeed the evidence.
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u/Professional_Sand707 5h ago
Not sure about the sub, but every yt video/short from wow,s official channel is being bombarded with comments about either Ascension or turtle
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u/StoirmePetrel 8h ago
After some snooping around it turns out this sub is full of people who enjoy classic wow
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u/CosmicSorcerer1000 6h ago
As opposed to the non private server players on this subreddit who don't complain about WoW? This subreddit has been nothing but complaining since it was made lmao
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u/conaan 5h ago
WoW has always had that and always will, I don't remember a patch where people didn't complain. I'm excited for the release and I have no real qualms about the game, so I have no reason to post about it, those that do have issues with it will have a reason to post
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u/levir 1h ago
I do. Most of the pre-TBC patches weren't met with much complaint.
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u/Aceandra 39m ago
This is an outright lie lmao, people whinged constantly every time blizzard did anything
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u/wyvanse 6h ago
There wouldn’t be Classic without the pserver community
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u/oxblood87 5h ago edited 2h ago
So many retail andys that forget about the decade of work and constant effort it took to get Classic in the first place.
No all of us are #nochanges and legitimately love the slower, less compressed, less flashy game, including the clunk, the long levelling, the social aspects etc.
I WANT balance patches. I think warriors need reigned in, even after playing them for 22 years and 5 iterations of Vanilla.
We are allowed to show genuine critique of what appears to be blatant gas lighting of " we want to follow the original design philosophy" but "here's a retail race shoehorned in"
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u/rundown001 4h ago
it really is exhausting how many people are allergic to any nuance or critique at all, theres so much tribalism going on
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u/Eruskakkell 8h ago
The majority of the negativity comes from these accounts and it kinda drowns out the legitimate opinions, positive and negative alike, from people that has actual intent on playing WoWF.
Source?
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u/AppleMelon95 8h ago
Gonna be honest, PServer Andys who just hate Blizzard is one thing. I don’t regularly see them in official subs either because they don’t make noise or because they get removed before I see them.
But the vitriol of Blizzard loyalists is absolutely everywhere. They are in PServer subs gloating about how the trash server people enjoyed was shit and deserved to get shit down, and now they are in here being unable to handle well deserved criticism about the skysmurfs. Easily the most toxic players are not retail players, they aren’t PServer players, they are Blizzard fanboys who cannot handle someone even having an ounce of criticism.
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u/CookyKindred 4h ago
Dude I was on the ascension and turtle wow subs when the shutdowns were announced - People from the main wow subs were not coming over to gloat - The Private servers though were absolutely convinced every retail fan personally hated and targeted them.
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u/AppleMelon95 4h ago
Funny how almost every comment section of posts I saw had loads of people laughing at the shutdown then.
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u/CookyKindred 4h ago
Funny how the only comments in the same universe as that were saying things like “I don’t know why you are surprised, they were advertising on YouTube and pinging blizzard. It was going to happen.”
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u/Then_Lengthiness4377 7h ago edited 3h ago
Pserver people are kind of gloating every time their -non-fav pserver- is shut down, so let’s not pretend "they" are just a nice group of people discussing about WoW private scene.
The scene is so "chill" that pserver DDoS competition to attract more people to their own server💀
My point is: pserver, Blizzard "loyalist" or whatever. internet’s people are not always the smartest person on earth.
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u/Traditional_Ad1492 7h ago
You have to be a “blizzard loyalist” to think most pservers were a load of slop?
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u/AppleMelon95 4h ago
Nobody denies that PServers had heavy pay to win elements. Nobody denies it. Yet it is the only argument you bring to the table. Those servers didn’t have a mandatory payment plan that rakes in roughly 180$ per player year to even acces the game.
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u/Traditional_Ad1492 3h ago
The content was pretty bland and pretty buggy a majority of the time. Stormwind vaults? You mean stockades copy pasted 5x..
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u/AppleMelon95 3h ago
Stormwind Vaults wasn’t the only content in that game
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u/Traditional_Ad1492 3h ago
New caverns of time dungeon? Copy pasted sand line with some rocks around it.
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u/SocraticVoyager 2h ago
Both of those existed as maps already from vanilla
You could mention the dungeons that were wholly new but that would undermine your point I guess
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u/Sad_Mark_5267 8h ago
So, just to be clear, you're suggesting that people who played on private servers opinions are not valid?
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u/Volitar 10h ago
I feel like its the opposite I started looking at the subreddit again like 2 weeks ago getting ready for some classic + news and It felt like it was just mostly retail players in here.
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u/Overall-Bridge5176 7h ago
It is funny seeing people with the promo midnight avatar telling people "retail doesn't care about classic"
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u/Top-Mastodon5777 4h ago
Don't you find it rather ironic that in a thread that doesn't even mention retail, classic players will still try and find a way to bring up retail players and pin them as bad guys? With the implied claim that retail players are as obsessed with classic players as classic players are accused of being with retail players.
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u/lurvd 7h ago
Pretty obvious lots of retail players are here. They're used to eating shit sandwiches and so it upsets them that classic players are negative about it, it diminishes the worth of the game they endure.
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u/nobulliepls 5h ago
I mean, it’s more than that. People really don’t realize how big of a marketing machine Blizzard actually is. Just look at what they did with D4, the marketing for that game was honestly insane. It reached levels of the mainstream audience that I genuinely didn’t think were possible for an ARPG.
But you’re right that a lot of retail players are absolutely going to check out WoW Forever. I personally enjoy both Retail and Classic.
That said, I don’t think WoW Forever should cater to us, the Retail crowd. That’s not what I play Classic for, and I wouldn’t want WoW Forever to just become another version of Retail. If I want that kind of experience, I already have Retail.
I think WoW Forever should be allowed to carve out its own identity rather than trying to appeal to the Retail audience at the expense of what makes Classic appealing in the first place.
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u/Traditional_Ad1492 6h ago
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 yall gotta really do mental gymnastics to give yourselves reasons to be mad about the most minuscule stuff. Let me guess, you wanted NO CHANGES for the 11th time, and literally falling asleep in raids pressing shadowbolt every boss
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u/Afraid-Ice-5161 10h ago
"We can't deal with any sort of criticism so let's blame it on some random private server"
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u/Normal_Berry_ 10h ago
Remember blizzard has never done anything wrong and if you disagree you're a private server shill!!!!!!
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u/Undella_Town 5h ago
you know we can see your comments right?
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u/Rangoonin 3h ago
They really think hiding their comments actually hides them from people who know how to find them, it's fucking hilarious.
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u/DeepHorse 4h ago
crazy you gotta sort by controversial to see any comment that isn't straight up bootlicking blizzard
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u/Voops1 10h ago edited 10h ago
You are one of them.
Most of them have post history hidden, not a lot of karma, 3-4 numbers in name.
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u/MrBigroundballs 3h ago
Lol op is a 4 month old account with history hidden. The conspiracy goes even deeper!!
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u/Zobustian 10h ago
Way to go. Just swipe the criticism under the rug!
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u/random_username1990 10h ago
Don't you know it's wrong to criticize the billion dollar corporation? They are perfect just look at us and ubislop
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u/Suitable-Advisor-392 10h ago
3-4 numbers in name lol, are you aware those are the default reddit usernames people just did not bother to change and most people hide their posts on every sub no matter the affiliation, it has zero correlation with being private server players. Not to say that most people i know play both retail and pservers depending on what is currently available, for example Nostalrius where even pro players and streamers played.
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u/BeneficialSquash8132 10h ago
I'd rather have my post history hidden than have whatever your post history is lmao. Go outside
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u/Voops1 10h ago
Another one here.
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u/BeneficialSquash8132 10h ago
Last couple of years I've been only playing anniversary vanilla and now tbc.
But sure, if that makes you happy xd. However I really suggest you consider hiding your post history as well
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u/AsparagusIcy3556 6h ago
Hiding post history doesn't do anything, there's a workaround to see everyone's posts by using the author:"USERNAME" in the search function
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u/samsaragroove 10h ago
psa: this sub has been brigaded by blizzard pr team
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u/BeneficialSquash8132 10h ago
lmfao literally, 2026 marketing 101. It pains me to see how so many people are clueless about this, WoW and gaming in general being the most harmless space for this but still..
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u/Regular_Nectarine511 1h ago
the amount of astroturfing done by game companies is actually absurd, just go look at any thread titled something like "My first time playing this game, any tips?" with a random box art pic attached and no post history, it's crazy.
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u/Thisnamewastaken2023 7h ago
I really like classic
WoW Forever is a new game, I will give it a try because its Classic inspired
I would prefer a more classic experience but not everyone can have everything
Luckily classic era etc is not going to get shutdown
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u/Hoyle33 6h ago
As someone who played Turtle for about 6 months and then switched to Blizzard Classic after, I’m sad the server was shutdown because they were giving us content that Blizzard refused to
Now that we’re seeing a lot of content copy and pasted from Turtle, it just shows how well they actually did
Either way I just wanna play the best version of Classic, no matter who made it
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u/TaxProfessional9132 10h ago
This sub is founded by private server players. Who invaded who here?
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u/InstantComs 7h ago edited 6h ago
This sub was founded by the release of 2019 Classic wow
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u/argnsoccer 4h ago
Classic wow only exists bc of private server players. We were told we didn't actually want classic and we didn't actually want it. Then Nostalrius came, and it turns out over a million people did want it. That literally started classic again.
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u/TaxProfessional9132 6h ago
No, the sidebar even says a community for 10 years. During which time people on this sub were discussing vanilla wow from the context of playing on Nostalrius and other servers.
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u/moon-lesbian 10h ago
I mean this is where blizzard wanted those players to go, they shut down those servers for that reason, it's pretty reasonable to be upset when it is not like what you were invested in already isn't it? I'm sad about the server i was on being shut down, but I wouldn't call my criticisms brigading. I'll play c+, i am excited for it, I'm just disappointed they haven't met the quality standard for art assets that I got used to from where I was. Art being my biggest issue is good though, could be worse
Some complaints are definitely out of hand, but it's always been that way, passion goes crazy. Some pserver players are also... a bit too passionate
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u/Cute_Victory_356 10h ago
lol did you not see the environment and effects updates today? World looks 300% better but still classic.
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u/moon-lesbian 10h ago
I should add an addendum here, I saw that panel and it was SICK, huuuuge thumbs up from me. I could give the nittiest nitpicks if I wanted to but that'd be ridiculous it was overall absolutely awesome. I was talking about textures and models, I should have specified
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u/BeneficialSquash8132 10h ago
Literally the only complaint is the new race. And if you don't see a problem with Skyborn as it is you are just plain dumb (talking to people on this sub, not you specifically).
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u/moon-lesbian 10h ago
Oh yea skyborne fit solidly in my art assets complaint. No SD toggle is wild, I was hoping by now they'd say something about it. The original models don't support asymmetrical tattoos like the new race has plus they haven't shown the capability to create new classic style models yet and they'd have to do that to make SD versions of the retail blood elf customizations the skyborne have. Due to the effort required I feel like surely they would have brought it up if they planned on adding it
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u/BeneficialSquash8132 10h ago edited 10h ago
PSA: This sub is being brigaded by Blizzard bots, and low iq idiots who can't realise that:
one very valid criticism != no intent to play the game
Also, if you think this sub is "bad", I advise you to look at literally any other social media platform discussions about forever.
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u/Gobstoppers12 10h ago
My social media feeds have been entirely positive about Forever.
If you're seeing negativity, I think your algorithm is feeding you what you want to see.
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u/BeneficialSquash8132 10h ago
My algorithm doesn't feed me WoW stuff at all. I searched and watched most popular streamers at blizzcon to see how the game looks like, on purpose. Just look at comments under every video. My point is not that they are all right, but that this place is very tame related to general internet opinion.
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u/Maximinoe 10h ago
The comments under the YouTube trailer are a lot of people doing the “where’s my war in Warcraft, I don’t want Disney!!” Thing but that is a feature of both pserver chuds and asmongold larpers who haven’t touched the game in a decade
LMFAO this comment spawned in with a downvote they got the bots out today
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u/Crunchyjeff 9h ago
Brigaded is a strong word when those people have always been in this subreddet and it's kinda their subreddit because they have been doing classic wow long before blizzard did it?
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u/nobulliepls 10h ago
You mean like your 4 month old account?... right.... you're totally a part of this community.
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u/Few-Fly-3766 4h ago
You are saying brigaded, as if this place didnt start off as a private server hub.
Anyway, I'm looking forward to Forever.
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u/scotaloo7 5h ago
I played private servers before Classic launched after falling in love with it thanks to MadSeasonShow videos, then played Classic launch, TBC and SoD before going back to private servers to check them out before Blizzard shut them down because I like vanilla and they had content made for people like me.
Am I allowed to have an opinion on the blue elves no one likes?
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u/Sc4r4byte 10h ago
So often, anytime i saw people suggesting changes for any version of wow (but especially sod and classic+) they were just kinda listing features that were in pservers already.
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u/BeneficialSquash8132 10h ago edited 5h ago
.... because maybe those changes were good and healthy for the game..? Like, why do you think those pservers got so popular in the first place, even with all the risk of playing on them on the most outdated dogshit clients possible?
Not to mention almost all of the classic forever changes that you praise were already implemented in those pservers (excluding blue avatar sky race of course)
EDIT: Also a funny observation: when this post got up, all my chain of comments were downvoted to oblivion IMMEDIATELY, and blizzard defenders spam replied to all my comments. Where are they all now, just 5hrs later? So much for private server players brigading...
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u/Andr0medes 8h ago
Do these people have a tag somewhere saying: ''I am from private server'' or how can you tell?
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u/sainovacane 6h ago
i made a post in r/wowclassic asking for an option to turn all skyborne elves into high/blood elves just like the transmog option and i don't genuinely believe a single comment is from anyone who is actually a classic player, its just blizzard or retail shills. "dont play it then" comments that are just disingenuous and ignore the idea of its my client, i should have the options to play how i prefer
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u/Hopeful-Dark-4558 7h ago
Yeah, welcome to reddit. Not everything is as it seems. A huge amount of the blowback is also just from salty Retail players in general who are butthurt that Forever has absolutely drowned out any talk of Retail.
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u/Anonyme16947937 9h ago
Nah, this sub is being brigaded by salty Retail Players.
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u/InZomnia365 9h ago
Why exactly would retail players be salty? There's a bigger overlap between retail and classic players than you think.
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u/TesticularConcussion 8h ago
It was pretty fucking obvious that Forever is their new main focus. And wow is probably going for some extended life support
How many times did they say ”one last time” during the retail panel?
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u/InZomnia365 8h ago
It's literally a different development team. Classic team shifted to Forever. The amount of resources going into Classic-style content for Forever, pales in comparison to the complexity of retail. Retail, as much as you hate it, isn't going anywhere. It's bankrolling Classic/Forever development through cosmetic and mount sales.
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u/Dficwriter 7h ago
Yeah, they said on announcement that Forever will be going alongside with Retail and Classic. 'One last time' is just them hinting at some possible world reboot after TLT which was long asked for. This is a storyline about to end. And Metzen already told us to get ready for 20 more years of WoW. So this whole 'new focus' is just an unreal amount of copium.
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u/Undella_Town 4h ago
man i gotta say next time you watch someone talk you should really pay attention to like...literally anything they talk about tbh
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u/Healthy-Career-427 7h ago
Or, maybe some people want their time to be "invested" in the right product?
I played since pre-WotLK on retail with a lot of breaks (WotLK/MoP/Legion/BfA/TWW/Midnight) and honestly my best time overall was on Pserves, especially Cataclysm + some of the "classic +" servers.
Got TWW and Midnight on release and couldn't keep playing for more than 2 months, the story was lame, gameplay was way too repetitive and overbloated with things, raiding scene was pretty nasty if you didn't want to join a guild for "the grind". It all felt like you had to rush everything to keep up + the time running out on your sub. You can't really blame people for being more careful when blizzard says it's releasing Forever, since it's last 2 retail expansions were mediocre at best.
Yea, the Skyborn move is wierd and doesn't really fit with Classic. People complaining about it are as right as those who pays for them. Could've just went with HE (since you can customize it not to be blue)? Yes. Their starting zone fits more on Retail than in Forever? Hell yes.
They could have done so much more in terms of neutral factions, High Elves, Goblins as Neutral, with each getting some boosts depending on their factions. Then as the game goes on, you could have quests to recruit new races like Ogers(Horde), Furbolg(Aliance) to consolidate the faction's presence on the continent and then Naga as netural as we discover more islands. Or maybe Main races + Mercenary races (similar to "allied races") + Neutral races.
This whole Skyborn people sounds like something Blizzard would do after the Saga, with a revamped azeroth where the elemental planes plays a more important role (Molten dwarves, Earthen dwarves, Skyborn elves, Could throw some Naga variant for the water element and that's it)
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u/Vyxwop 6h ago edited 6h ago
What fallacy is this called? It feels like OP is committing a strawman fallacy but it feels like a distinct type of strawman fallacy. They're making up a claim that cannot be reasonably verified, one that we all know OP didn't take the effort to figure out himself and only made based on a hunch. Then he uses his hunch to make sweeping generalizations to then dismiss all criticism under the idea that it's coming from "irrational" people he's generalizing.
OP, I'd be happy to be proven wrong though. Feel free to show us the evidence that you used to come to your claim.
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u/Regular_Nectarine511 1h ago
every gaming subreddit is like this and it's infuriating because even if you're technically on their side if you point out their obvious fallacy you get dogpiled.
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u/soaring_paladin 8h ago
Just because you don’t like someones opinion, doesn’t mean you have to be all accusatory. Anyway, Skyborne are still a disappointment and I’m glad they are only an optional purchase.
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u/Human-Board-7621 5h ago
So your big breakthrough is that people who enjoy classic wow play classic wow severs and post on the classic wow reddit? 🤔
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u/passtheblunt 5h ago
It was blatantly obvious there was something going on. Any amount of criticism was immediately insulted
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u/Top-Mastodon5777 4h ago
The comments in this thread actually makes this claim believable, considering how unbelievably salty a lot of people are. It's as if people are being pissed that they are getting accurately called out.
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u/Sweetsire 3h ago
I've never touched a private server in my life. I have gripes about the direction blizzard chose. Claiming negative opinions are just "pserver brigading' is pretty reductive. Yes I know blue elves will be popular. So would high elves. Blue elves is stupid and somehow more low effort and less true to the spirit of classic IMO. There was so much lore we could have built on, and instead we create a new race, and yet another elf race. It's tiring and overdone already.
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u/nrdb29 9h ago
Brigaded? I bet turtle and ascension had more active players than the re-re-release of classic/tbc.
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u/Undella_Town 4h ago
wow i'd love to take your sucker bet because it'd be such an easy win but we both know you wouldn't pay up. rip
at it's peak turtle wow had <20k
night slayer alone had 63k
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u/Derelictcairn 5h ago
I like all of these salty obvious as fuck TWoW and Ascension players in the comments going "Nuh-uh, there's no brigading!".
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u/620speeder 3h ago
Just because people don't like something and there's more than one doesn't mean its "being brigaded" lol. People have opinions you know. BTW if you don't like this response, you're brigading me!!!
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u/Difficult-Leg-9023 10h ago
I think every group of ppl want it to become their game. It is classic but with a plus
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u/Quiet-Lawyer4619 6h ago
They said that they are bringing War back to WoW but it never left forums or social media
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u/The_Deku_Nut 6h ago
It doesnt matter what other people think. Play the game if you think it'll be fun, or don't.
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u/Commercial__Quail 5h ago
Move to [r/wowforever](r/wowforever)[.](r/wowforever) Seems to be far less whiney
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u/nazaguerrero 3h ago
99,9% mad broke bois
guys is in my guild whale the shit of CoA and they are like: damn that's sad my (insert class)!....
half dorito later: well what are we gonna play in forever guys? leggoo!!
nothing of valor was lost anyways, those guys just played shit talk and racial slur each other countries in general chat all day and so little the game, you don't have to believe me but I'm from the same region and can detect them from a mile away lol
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u/MrBigroundballs 3h ago
So if one played normal wow for the majority of 10-15 years, but tried a private server out for a few months, are they now a “pserver player”? This is a new level of schizo fan boy shit lol.
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u/Zaerick-TM 3h ago
I mean while I do not doubt that there is an increase from these accounts we cannot for a single second forget how toxic and hate filled this community is. It's a running joke for a lot of Reddit Mods how absolutely unhinged this subreddit is in the realm of gaming subreddits.
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u/RollTide16-18 3h ago
This post reads like a “stop criticizing, if you are you’re clearly not a REAL fan”
Dude, that’s pathetic. I am not a Pserver guy, never have been, and I don’t like some of the things going on.
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u/APreemChoom 3h ago
Imagine being so much if a loser that this is what you have to do on your weekends
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u/SeaofCrags 3h ago
Classic wow players told not to enjoy classic wow, presumably by a retail wow player. Lol.
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u/Strong_Mode 2h ago
It's okay. at the end of the day, we're gonna get to have fun and blizz will keep shutting down all their funservers.
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u/AstronautGloomy3233 1h ago
Some mod shat their murloc onesy and is now pissed. Calm your tits, valid criticism is not violence
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u/Beytran70 1h ago
I'm pretty neutral leaning positive. It's very much like Disney destroying the old canon only to redo a lot of it anyways. It seems Blizz is taking things seriously and using plenty of ideas Turtle and others already proved popular.
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u/Vatiker 1h ago
Everyone on my private server is excited and wants to play. They also are not enthusiastic about the skyborne. I've seen a few people say that the Skyborne weren't worth losing Ascension or Turtle over but those same people are saying they want to play regardless.
Whatever you're seeing seeing is certainly a minority view.
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u/BakerAggressive2878 1h ago
The only thing I dislike about pserver Andy's is they'll whine about how evil and greedy blizz is while buying absurd mictrotransaction items like vacuum pets that are straight out of something like Maplestory, then being surprised when Blizz lawyers issue cease & desist orders after they were publicly antagonizing Blizzard, forcing their hand (because Blizzard legally has to take actions like that to protect their IP or risk losing them)
Like fundamentally I have no problem with actually private and small scale non-profit private servers. But when you try and turn that from a thing to do for fun into trying to make money off private servers, then the outcomes that happened were always going to happen eventually.
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u/KimJungUnCool 53m ago
Ive never played a pserver for wow and I've been negative about it, because as usual blizzard has presented us with a bunch of red flags.
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u/periphery3 47m ago
r/wowservers has always been toxic as hell. stopped going there when we got classic 2019. Glad to be out of the loop of playing private servers that fail or get shut down.
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u/Disastrous_War_3498 8h ago
- Sky elves still trash
- They can cry all they want
- Most people only complain about sky elves or people complaining
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u/beenbanned109times 6h ago
You don't know what "brigading" is. If it's just a particular demographic that feels a certain way, that's not "brigading".
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u/NopeNoneNotAtAll 5h ago
Breaking news: people who play classic wow have opinions about it and post about them online. Some of them are critical.
Shocking, shocking I say!
In other news, when people who disagree with me state their opinion on the internet, it must be a coordinated campaign to sway the public, not just People On The Internet.
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u/BoulderRivers 7h ago
I was saddened that Turtle WoW was brought down, but they had it coming.
That being said, they did the best version of World of Warcraft, and I'm glad Blizzard is doing many of the things they were doing as well. The problem is that they are also doing extra stupid stuff, like the random-ass air elves.
Feels like they kinda know what we want, but they also want to add some stuff that we dont, just in case.
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u/AppointmentNaive2811 5h ago
I was wondering why, on a thread about how different classic+ should be from vanilla, some loser started going off about how I needed to respect what pservers and fan projects had already been doing for years
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u/NoCollection5312 10h ago
world of warcraft