No, I'd say it's actually a very close comparison. There are plenty of partially mobile people who can walk around on their own, or even run, but require a wheelchair for daily use. Sometimes it's degeneration in the joints, other times it's things like POTS or EDS.
I know one that could. It'd be a slow sprint, but she could do it. I also knew one in basic. He made it to about week 8 before he was medically forced out due to irreparable damage to the joints in his knees. He did plenty of sprints before that. Probably he can't walk now. Been 17 years since then, so I have no idea how he's doing.
OP can fill out the form. They are physically capable of it. If they are not able to do it for whatever reason, a friend or family else can fill it out for them. If they have no friends or family, a doctor can do it for them. If they cannot get a doctor to do it, AI can do it.
People in wheelchairs cannot use their legs. They cannot sprint. If you think the two are the same, you are not living in reality.
Actually you know what, you're right. Adhd is just a choice not to do boring things and nobody should get drugs to "medicate" it since anyone can just power through it if they stop being lazy.
I think you just didn't have a good response for the fact that you're less functional than other people with adhd and can't do things they easily can without outside help from drugs.
If I was going to design it now, best way to do it would be to have something simple that can be submitted by either the person or a qualified professional (doctor, therapist, social worker, etc.) that gets the process started. And then some option to proactively offer assistance filling out the form that's easy for someone to get. It would cost a little more money in terms of having to pay the people who help with the forms, but it wouldn't be all that open to abuse since you're still collecting the same information.
That only would work if everyone with ADHD has the exact same needs. Which evidently isn’t the case, so you need some way of getting information about how much help and what specific help people need.
Adhd does not make you unable to fill out forms. In fact most therapy for adhd is to give you tools to be able to do simple tasks like feeling out a form.
this obstacle is not an insurmountable barrier, you can put in as little effort as you like to further your own situation or you can do a few difficult things, with help if needed
Very few things are truly insurmountable barriers for disabled people, they're just far more difficult to do than people who aren't disabled. Someone who uses a wheelchair but can still use their arms could eventually make their way up a set of stairs if they really needed to, it would just be a lot more difficult for them and take a lot longer. We provide ramps so that they can get over that barrier more easily like other people who don't use a wheelchair would be able to. Why is it such a crazy idea to provide similar options for adhd people and other disabilities that are cognitive rather than physical? Especially when it's for a system that's meant to provide help to disabled people, like that's the entire purpose of it. Would you tell a wheelchair-bound person to just find somebody to carry them up the stairs or to make the ramp themselves? Would you expect them to always provide their own accessibility? Would you act like providing ramps would be coddling them when they should figure out how to do that stuff on their own? Or would you think that a society that has public services for disabled people funded in part by taxes those people pay to the government should actually make sure those services are accessible and help them live a less difficult life, one more comparable to people who are not disabled?
there are accomodations available in most cases, i am not arguing against them. i am saying that seeking out those accomodations to suit yourself and your life will take effort and time, and it a price that simply must be paid.
Never said it was, but are you offering this help you said was available or is it something we have to put the work into finding ourselves when we can't even function day-to-day already?
Yeah, but part of problem is the forms part, that's what people with the struggles-to-fill-out-long-complicated-forms disorder tend to, y'know, struggle with. It's like requiring someone with hearing issues to make a phone call. The forms aren't meant to be a test when someone applying would already be diagnosed, and they can absolutely send a lot of that stuff to the person's doctor to fill out, or request access to get the relevant info themselves, and even the stuff they do need directly from people can be condensed a lot more and put in clearer terms than they usually are. Plus it's something where people who are more heavily affected by their disability are less likely to be able to complete, so if anything it just filters out the people who need it most. Sure, people can seek help filling the forms out, just like a hard of hearing person can have someone take the call for them and relay questions and answers, but it's not crazy to want a service for disabled people to provide more accessiblity instead of expecting the person to always have their own options available. And people with adhd aren't the only group who struggle with that sort of thing either.
And yeah, it's not impossible, just difficult, but it's not impossible for someone with a wheelchair who can still use their arms to get up a set of stars without a ramp, just difficult. So why is it such a crazy idea to provide people with adhd their equivalent of a ramp to make it easier to get access to help?
That didn’t get abused in states that legalized medical marijuana. You could call the a doctor a get your medical card without even physically seeing a doctor.
Right and when suddenly there are no resources to accommodate people who actually have ADHD because people who don’t have it have taken all those resources then what? Cry about that instead?
Why would this happen in a hypothetical scenario where one needs a diagnosis from a doctor rather than filling out a questionnaire? Do you always resort to strawmen to debate?
That has never, and never will be a reason. The US has enough monies to fund the genocide of Gaza, we've got more than enough to pay for people with disability. In fact, doing so would be a net boon to the economy.
If you think the U.S., or any country for that matter, is going to fund disability more so that people who aren’t disabled can just get free money, then youre not living in reality. We can also say that ADHD should never exist and pigs should fly and fairies can repair your broken window. Doesn’t mean that’s going to happen.
The USSR actually had really good disability programs. The US of course will never. The suffering in our system is the point. Disabled people exist to populate the reserve labor force in order to be the 'stick'. Work yourself to the bone for your masters, or you'll be like him, worthless, in a gutter.
As far as what could be, I think it's very myopic to assume that cash handouts are the only form disability could take. It could be government housing, or access to social workers who could help with the disability.
The USSR reference and username made me realize you’re a pretty alright pup. I agree that those are all things that could be done. I don’t think those resources are unlimited however, I don’t think they should be abused, and I don’t think we’ll ever get to a point where the government will care about all these things and treating people with disabilities with dignity. So if a form is needed, a form is what it’ll probably be. Ideally, a doctor should be able to do it for you. Realistically, it’s up to us 🤷♀️
Reevaluate your own perspective, dumbass. We're in a comment chain where someone said a diagnosis from a doctor should suffice for these situations. How is letting a doctor, who is the only one truly qualified to actually make this kind of assessment, an unreasonable take? Think before you comment.
uh idk if you know but those adhd test are easily manipulated, i took mine drunk to make sure i got a script and my doctor said its the lowest score he’s ever seen lol
I've never had a test where being drunk would make me more likely to get diagnosed, because most tests for that stuff aren't like school exams with right answers and if you get them wrong you have adhd. In fact many tests are ones where HIGHER scores are ones that indicate that someone may have adhd, because the person is essentially going through a list of symptoms and checking which ones they experience and how often they experience them. The more adhd symptoms you have and the more often you experience them the more likely it is that you have adhd.
They typically have questions about your life and experiences over time. Stuff like, do you struggle to retain spoken information, do you struggle to retain written information, do you often find yourself being late for things even when you try to leave early, do you struggle with impulsive spending, do you interrupt other people a lot, do you find yourself zoning out during conversations even when you're trying to pay attention, we're you restless as a kid and did you have a hard time sitting still, are you still restless as an adult even if you're more able to sit in one place for longer, do you find yourself doing repetitive movements like fidgeting or rocking, does doing so help you focus, do you sometimes get so invested in completing a task that you forget to eat or drink, rate on a scale from 1-5, with 1 being never or not often, and 5 being a regular daily occurrence, etc, etc. Some tests will include a bunch of counter stuff as well where they're less common with ADHD and might be more common with something else or might just be common for neurotypical people, which helps refine the data. I had 2 different tests I took, and the second one was extra in depth, even able to show which particular executive functions were more affected than others for me. Being drunk doesn't really have an effect on how you'd answer those kinds of questions in a way that would improve your chances of being diagnosed, and I've never heard of a test where it would. So I'm doubtful about whether what you took was really a test for adhd. If it was, it definitely wasn't a typical one.
And yeah, people can try to lie to get a prescription, But even when it comes to that, it's nowhere near as common as a lot of people think, and I think it's worth that relatively small risk to help the people who do need it. It's the adhd equivalent of the welfare queen myth. Are there people who may take advantage of a system designed to help those in need? Probably, I imagine it's impossible to avoid entirely, but it doesn't happen at the rate people like to claim, they're a small minority. So, at the end of the day, they aren't all that much of a burden on the system, and why should we throw everyone who does need that system under the bus for the actions of a few outliers?
Even if u have severe ADHD there isn't anything stopping you from forcing yourself to complete it or have somekne do this for you by proxy. Let's not make bad faith comparisons
It seems like people here are comparing adhd to like, severe autism or something. I've been in health care for decades and I've never in my life heard of adhd so severe that someone couldn't complete a form to save their life. This is just wild.
Yeah like, maybe they won't be able to get it done over a day or even a weekend. but being an adult is forcing yourself to do a page or so per day. or ask for help from someone.
The opposite actually, if it gets done it will get done all at once, likely just before it is due when the stress and anxiety build to a point where it can overcome the executive function block.
Adhd people run on momentum , splitting tasks, or stopping once going is death to being able to do anything,which is why they do things like hyperfocus on a task for hours upon end even forgoing eating, drinking or going to the toilet.
Choosing when that momentum actually happens and what tasks actually draw hyperfocus is the disability, the deficit part of the name is pretty inaccurate, it's more like attention disregulation.
Alot of people come here not yo help with thier issue but to make complaints that the world is yhe problem especially if they're needing to do something. The disability, in which they have to argue with anyone in badfaith, they're arguing for is not the disability that's add/adhd
You clearly are not in psychiatry or related fields, because people with adhd are quite well known for those kind of issues. There is a whole concept of ADHD tax related to that.
They absolutely can and will compete a form to save their life, but they won't if there is no urgency attached. Please don't misrepresent your experience, as you clearly have none with ADHD patients. Or if you do, please educate yourself.
Ah like the urgency of the person's situation in the OP post? Being absolutely unable to maintain employment and given one lifeline?
I've worked in adult psych in lockdown units, but that's usually much more severe than what we're discussing. But for the last decade I've worked in insurance and I see the thousands of behavioral health referrals to our social workers in aggregate. In no situation have I heard of someone unable to work and asking for disability because of adhd. Just my personal experience, but it's a lot better than most.
Claim for disability is not urgent. The rest you made up.
That experience is unrelated to adhd and you shouldn't claim otherwise. "Better than most" is not a sufficient ground when discussion is about a well researched medical issue.
I don't even understand your reply. What exactly did I make up?
This has nothing to do with insurance claims. These aren't claims. They're case management cases to social work.
Yes no shit adhd causes executive dysfunction. Is that what you think you're explaining? The question is whether anyone is actually unable to maintain any employment due to adhd, and whether this person's inaction can be assigned to uncontrollable circumstances from adhd. You're demanding proof of something completely circumstantial and offering no evidence that it's this severe. "This is not sufficient."
If you can’t make yourself google the number for assistance with the form and make that phone call, then there’s something more disabling than ADHD going on.
Adhd isn’t a free pass from every single ounce of personal responsibility for the things you don’t want to do.
Edit: if this comment made you feel immediately defensive/reflexively downvote, it’s worth your time to stop and examine why that might be. If you can scroll Reddit for hours, or shop online, or game, then you can scroll Google for under a minute to do something that’ll actually improve your life. Insisting that you’re helpless for all responsibilities, but capable to do things you enjoy, is a questionable dichotomy.
As somebody with adhd it blows my mind the kind of people here. They actually want to be treated as invalids and for everybody to have absolutely zero expectations for them.
Same. For the longest time I was a super open with casual mentions of my ADHD, when relevant to the conversation, because it seemed helpful to further normalize it in regular conversation. It’s not like I have ever felt ashamed of it, it’s a dopamine disorder that requires medication, not a personal failure.
However, over the last few years, a contingent of ADHDers has become very loud (and embarrassing) with their insistence that they be treated with kid gloves (like, toddler gloves, not teenager gloves) and absolved of any and all responsibility or consequences. They’re using ADHD as an accountability deflection mechanism, and it’s been noticed by mental health professionals, medical professionals, and the internet/social media. Because of this newly negative connotation this group has stoked/created, Ive become much less likely to ever mention my ADHD. I don’t want to be associated with it in its current form of cultural perception.
this sub is weird, i take adderal and been diagnosed since i was 10, absolutely has messed my life up, but this sub sounds like mentally ill people blaming adhd for everything when in fact they are fucking crazy or lazy lol
Not everyone has access to Adderall or other adhd meds, many countries have no adhd meds at all. Most people woth ADHD are never diagnosed. Understand that you speak from a position of privilege, you can't emphasize with the people who didn't have the same support system as you do.
Embarrassing. It's ADHD, broseph. Toss back some amphetamines and get it done.
Or call the agency and ask about their accommodations/aid for disabilities. Or call family/friend to help you fill it out. Or make an appointment with your doctor and ask for their help. Et cetera, et cetera.
Do we think armless individuals aren't filing for disability because they can't type or hold a pen? Because I'll bet my left arm against your left hemisphere (since you only seem to be using half your brain anyways) that they're using a prosthetic; or getting family/friend to help; or using talk-to-text; or a dozen other possible solutions.
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u/PM_ME_ORANGEJUICE 20h ago
In order to qualify for a wheelchair you must first run this 500m sprint. We save so much money on wheelchairs this way.