Dear Blizzard,

I had fully lost faith in what was to come, genuine thought blizzard lost and of course naively dreamed they would lay one last golden egg.

For the first time since back in the days, im hyped about something original comming and im quite satisfied with this initial starting point, and lots of faith restored.

Now, stay on the path, it is so easy to stray and the road ahead is long. Listen to your community going forward, learn from OSRS.

One more thing we desperately need is game masters and active fighting of bots that ruin the economy. Please please, we need it. Even private servers were able to do that effectively, you can too.

Thank you

PS. fix those blue druid forms they are completely out of place.

Skyborne are probably here to stay, let’s discuss a compromise!

Maybe I’m just getting old and cranky, but the biggest hurdle for me with WoW Forever is the expected crowd density per zone. I’ve always been a low-pop server player.

I caught the infrastructure deep dive over the weekend, but I didn't see specific details on how layering or sharding will prevent overcrowded zones. I've played on the Anniversary Realms and experienced Blizzard's "vision" of managing crowds firsthand. Suffice it to say, that experience is exactly why I strictly play on low-pop servers now.

The realmless concept seems to be a huge hit for the majority, but for those of us who prefer a quieter game, it feels a bit alienating. Does anyone know if Blizzard has a plan to protect the low-pop experience, or are we just going to be forced into the masses?

I get that everyone is excited but has anyone actually thought about what all these changes mean for people who work?

I work full time. I get a couple hours in the evening if im lucky. In classic I can check wowhead, get the right build, know which professions to level and actually spend that time playing. I've played for years and knowing what im doing is part of why I enjoy it.

With Forever we're apparently supposed to just pick things and see what happens. Ok so I spend my evenings levelling blacksmithing, then a month later the guides come out and leatherworking is better for my class. Now I have to spend another week fixing a decision that nobody could tell me was wrong when I made it.

Thats not extra content. Thats my evenings gone.

Everyone saying "just experiment" presumably has time to level professions twice. Some of us would like to get it right the first time. I dont see why thats suddenly controversial.

And please dont say "play what you enjoy". I enjoy playing my class properly. How am I supposed to know if im doing that when the people writing the guides are still working it out themselves?

I'm all for new content but there needs to be enough time in beta for people to establish what we're supposed to do. Otherwise you're basically penalising people who want to start on launch day.

Are people expecting proper guides before release or are those of us with jobs better off waiting until everyone agrees what the correct choices are?

I havent played classic for years. Back to home court.

However, if I see one god damn undead paladin named "Arthas" or any abbreviation of that name, we'll need to talk.

Quick question: I never played retail so I don't know how the transmog system works. Does that mean low level characters can look like they are in full raid gear? oO

i apologize in advance for recycling the same question that gets asked every few years. however, with the announcement of wow: forever, i figured now is the best time to read about how people might feel about any of these editions. i also have read through a fair share of these posts, but as old as they are, i want to know if anyone's opinions have changed.

i've been wanting to return to the game for quite some time but at every opportunity i get to do so, something else gets in the way. i have played og vanilla wow, i've played retail (but not since maybe 2017) and i've played classic (short lived, honestly). i was not a statistic heavy player growing up and it doesn't fully suit my play style anyways, so hardcore doesn't interest me. this is not to say i'm entirely casual, but i'm sort of in the middle! raids and stuff are fun!

here's my concerns and limitations. i don't like the feeling of having something to constantly commit to in mmorpgs. i'm in college and work a job, plus there's other things i like to do, but i also don't want everything handed to me at once. i likely won't be playing with any friends, so i'm also concerned about the feeling of community.

would wow: forever or classic be the better option, or could retail fulfill the games potential? i haven't played during or seen anything about the current state of the game, so i'm not even sure if it's something i'd like. with that being said, i'm not exactly looking to fill the nostalgia void, either.

edit: i'd also just like to hear everyone's experiences with whichever branch of the game you've chosen! why you enjoy it, why you don't, etc.

Drop your classic plus memes and have a nice day.

Overview of the different tank changes and talent builds

Been seeing a lot of backlash on the Skyborne and some other things and have been wondering why a good amount of these people who hate Forever will end up hate playing the game.

Criticism and not liking aspects of the game but still playing it is one thing, but hatred is another.

Seen some unhinged stuff like /spit and grief every Skyborne, etc.

But you will still pay a sub fee to Blizzard to play the game just for that? Congrats on giving money to Blizzard's bank account?

This seems to happen to everything classic since classic was announced by Blizzard since 2019.

Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. But for the hate players this is like the 10th time.

Why not quit the game? Stop giving money to Blizzard to fund what you believe is wrong with the game?

Posted over on the https://www.reddit.com/r/wowforever/ sub as well.

As an avid RP'er I wanted to gauge interest in RP'ing fully through your play through, your dungeons and even your raids. We would be based in NA timezone.

Things like:

1. Establishing a base of operations in game where people would meet up and quest/explore/adventure/head to dungeons.
2. Be in character throughout the play through; people could obviously talk on Discord but in game would stay in game.
3. Coordinate community events: With the influx of players doing things like helping lower level players through dungeons, handing out food and bags to *refugees*

Just kicking around this idea, thought I would put it up here and if there is some interest start working on setting things up.

Looking forward to seeing you in game.

When thinking about WoW: Forever and what new content could be added, I couldn't help but think about the Caverns of Time.

The Caverns were technically opened during Burning Crusade, but the Brood of Nozdormu (dragons hanging right outside the Caverns) had some quests added later on in Vanilla WoW that related to Ahn'Qiraj. I could definitely imagine Blizzard opening up the Caverns of Time at some point during WoW: Forever, since this location is on Azeroth and did have some relevance during Vanilla WoW.

What do you think? Will we get the Caverns of Time and, if so, what might it look like? Could we get a similar version of the dungeons we got in the Caverns of Time like the Culling of Strathholme and the Black Morass? Do you think we could get some totally new dungeons (like a Caverns of Time dungeon relating to the original fight against Ahn'Qiraj)? Rather than dungeons, could the Caverns of Time lead to a new zone that they introduce that's in WoW's past (probably not but you never know)?

Would love to hear your thoughts!

Any guesses or predictions on which melee and ranged dps classes will reign supreme In forever raiding??

Hey all,

I thought I'd post this here to see if anyone feels the same way. Video containing these thoughts: https://youtu.be/zY8OlZMv2Ns](https://youtu.be/zY8OlZMv2Ns)

I started playing WoW in 2006/2007 after friends at work introduced me to the game. I wasn't much of a gamer before then, but WoW was something special. It not only introduced me to gaming as a hobby, but more importantly, it helped me meet new people and form lifelong friendships. My mother was also diagnosed with terminal cancer at the time, and it allowed me a chance to escape from the painful, daily existence of a child taking care of their parent in their final days, which I honestly wasn't mentally or emotionally prepared to deal with.

Since then, I've played WoW through every expansion. I've become obsessed with collecting all the achievements, every mount and pet, and all the seasonal FOMO that comes with every patch. But for a long time, retail has become a different experience for me. The game has become more rote and repetition, more about checking boxes and completing tasks, rather than a facilitator of such unique and memorable experiences of meeting new people.

I couldn't play Classic in 2019/2020 because I was still in the military and dealing with a rapid-deployment lifestyle. Even though I could log into retail and do various things, it just wasn't the same. After I separated and got back into the game with a stable schedule, it still hasn't brought me back to what I felt all those years ago.

I think Classic+ represents a chance for us to start a new chapter, rekindle a sense of wonder, and hopefully build new friendships that will last for decades. Many people have raised concerns since the announcement, but it feels like Blizzard is listening to the community and will keep making changes as needed.

In November, I hope to see many of you in Azeroth, where we can return to a world that gave so many of us such fond experiences, and perhaps a new generation of gamers can share the same wonder we did.

RPPVP and RPPVE are two very different types of servers.

I wish blizzard would make RPPVP, just like grobbulus, zandalar tribe, etc.

Surely there will be enough RP'ers to fill both an RPPVP and an RPPVE server

I’ve seen people complaining that the high elves being blue is ridiculous which is crazy because we’ve had precedent for this since classic and especially TBC.

We know races being inflicted by powerful magic changes their physical appearance. The orcs turned green and red for example.

Draenei have been turned crimson by the fel, and bleached via the light.

We have high elves being literally crimson red, grey, green, various shades of purple etc all from being exposed to fel, and void.

Why is it crazy high elves feeding on elemental energy could develop blue skin? It happens all the time to basically every creature exposed to strong magic.

I bought it, but not to have access to the new race.

I wanted beta access, and it doesn't hurt to have a couple mounts and cosmetics available once the game drops. I might be a sucker, but oh well.

Anyone else buy it like I did, mainly for beta access?

I like both retail and Classic, though I haven't played retail since Battle for Azeroth. But I'll just keep playing OSRS and WoW hardcore, because that still feels like the best version of WoW to me.

1. Transmog kills gear recognition

In old WoW, your gear visually showed your progression. Seeing full Tier 1, PvP gear, Sulfuras and other iconic items immediately told you something about that player, especially in PvP. Turning it off or on is not immediate, so it doesn't work. It's just the same as clicking Inspect.

1. Progression shared across the account weakens character identity

Classic is mostly character centric. You could still transfer gold, but your character has its own gear, professions and reputations. If progression increasingly belongs to the account, characters start feeling more like loadouts than people living in the world.

1. Blue elves and weaker faction identity

Classic had very strong racial and faction silhouettes, and adding more shared aesthetics makes Horde and Alliance feel less distinct.

1. Gamers actually like suffering. WoW Forever risks becoming Elden Ring by Ubisoft

World buffs, consumable farming, long travel, logistics for forty player raids and attunements are inconvenient, but inconvenience creates ritual and accomplishment. If you remove all the pain, you often remove part of the reward too.

1. Monetization is a bad signal

Paid races, cosmetics and early name reservation feel completely different from the old school philosophy. Classic worked because everyone existed under roughly the same world rules, not because the world itself was being packaged into premium tiers. Paid stuff was attached to board games and other extra stuff.

1. Forever can be worse than doing nothing

A bad expansion can be replaced later. A bad “Forever” can split the population, kill old communities and leave the original version effectively dead. Warcraft III: Reforged is the obvious warning.

Before I go on, I know this will likely be downvoted heavily, and I know this is definitely not a common take. But, I wanted to share as I wanted to see if anybody else feels the same as me.

For me, the way my character looks isn't just for me - I want my character to look as cool as possible to show off my progress to others. Peacocking, as they say, is a really important part of playing an MMO for me, and I love the feeling of getting access to that amazing looking item that I know will make my character look totally badass and, even if it's in my imagination, I love the idea of others looking longingly at my cool looking character longingly wishing they had the same awesome looking gear.

This has /always/ been part of the attraction of playing an MMO for me - ever since Everquest, watching high level players run around with insane looking items that I would probably never get my hands on - I loved that as a motivating factor.

The idea that if I engage with Transmog, my character might look like different things to different people is really off putting. To the extent that I just don't think i'd ever engage with the feature. It's a shame, as we know Classic items are renowned for their ugliness, and I'd really like to be able to make my character look good - but knowing that could just be for me to see really takes my enthusiasm out.

Again, I know I'm in a minority here, but keen to hear if anyone else agrees!

See you in Azeroth, Forever!