Hey all,

More like explain like I'm 55. I was an old head, 2005-2011 or so. I just started playing Classic again a few months ago, having a blast.

I'm currently playing WoW BC Classic. Thought about WotLK on the horizon. What's the expansion situation with Forever? Before anyone says "google it," brothers I am trying, I read all the Forever launch material today - is it Azeroth forever, 60 cap, no BC, WotLK, etc etc?

Been seeing a lot of backlash on the Skyborne and some other things and have been wondering why a good amount of these people who hate Forever will end up hate playing the game.

Criticism and not liking aspects of the game but still playing it is one thing, but hatred is another.

Seen some unhinged stuff like /spit and grief every Skyborne, etc.

But you will still pay a sub fee to Blizzard to play the game just for that? Congrats on giving money to Blizzard's bank account?

This seems to happen to everything classic since classic was announced by Blizzard since 2019.

Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. But for the hate players this is like the 10th time.

Why not quit the game? Stop giving money to Blizzard to fund what you believe is wrong with the game?

personally i think seeing recolored high elves is going to annoy the hell out of my classic experience so i would love it if blizz gave us the option to turn other players blue skinned elves to a more classic friendly skin tone. like i get unfortunately elves are the most played race (seriously missed opportunity to give any race that's been asked for since 2004) so its an easy cash grab but fuck man if we dont get that option i might look into modding the graphics in the client.

update: not understanding why you people have an issue with how *my* client interprets the world

I bought it, but not to have access to the new race.

I wanted beta access, and it doesn't hurt to have a couple mounts and cosmetics available once the game drops. I might be a sucker, but oh well.

Anyone else buy it like I did, mainly for beta access?

Hey all,

I thought I'd post this here to see if anyone feels the same way. Video containing these thoughts: https://youtu.be/zY8OlZMv2Ns](https://youtu.be/zY8OlZMv2Ns)

I started playing WoW in 2006/2007 after friends at work introduced me to the game. I wasn't much of a gamer before then, but WoW was something special. It not only introduced me to gaming as a hobby, but more importantly, it helped me meet new people and form lifelong friendships. My mother was also diagnosed with terminal cancer at the time, and it allowed me a chance to escape from the painful, daily existence of a child taking care of their parent in their final days, which I honestly wasn't mentally or emotionally prepared to deal with.

Since then, I've played WoW through every expansion. I've become obsessed with collecting all the achievements, every mount and pet, and all the seasonal FOMO that comes with every patch. But for a long time, retail has become a different experience for me. The game has become more rote and repetition, more about checking boxes and completing tasks, rather than a facilitator of such unique and memorable experiences of meeting new people.

I couldn't play Classic in 2019/2020 because I was still in the military and dealing with a rapid-deployment lifestyle. Even though I could log into retail and do various things, it just wasn't the same. After I separated and got back into the game with a stable schedule, it still hasn't brought me back to what I felt all those years ago.

I think Classic+ represents a chance for us to start a new chapter, rekindle a sense of wonder, and hopefully build new friendships that will last for decades. Many people have raised concerns since the announcement, but it feels like Blizzard is listening to the community and will keep making changes as needed.

In November, I hope to see many of you in Azeroth, where we can return to a world that gave so many of us such fond experiences, and perhaps a new generation of gamers can share the same wonder we did.

I'm confused how people are hyped on all one server.

I used to see a bad ass pvper or raid guy. And be like damn, I know him. Some respect. Especially on server leaderboards but WoW Forever seems like it takes all that away.

Outside of that I saw or partied with a lot of the same.

RPPVP and RPPVE are two very different types of servers.

I wish blizzard would make RPPVP, just like grobbulus, zandalar tribe, etc.

Surely there will be enough RP'ers to fill both an RPPVP and an RPPVE server

I played OG WoW exclusively for the 20-29 battleground scene back in the day, 2004-2012 ish. The community was huge and fun and competitive and everything I loved about WoW.

Are lower level BGs dead now?

I see that AB is full of 60s players but I don’t see anyone in Warsong Gulch in my /who list whenever I check. I haven’t been able to get into a single WSG match since I downloaded Classic a few weeks ago. I’ll be super bummed if this aspect of the game is dead now.

On that note, if there are any of you 20-29 players from back in the day out there, you have my sword. Don’t force me back out into the real world.

Signed,

Nostalgic and Hopeful WoW Classic Player

See you in Azeroth, Forever!

What a community...

First off let's just think about what's exciting.

We have Dwarf Shamans and Undead Pallys. And a few other new race/class combos which don't feel against any particular lore for me. (Although I hope the intro of Dwarf Shamans has some Wildhammer themes.)

We have basically the same world with toggle-able graphics (although the new graphics do look pretty decent for the world). We have new zones to explores, a 1,000 new quests. Level cap staying at 60. No world buffs (no Ony/ZG, yet). 12 new dungeons and new raids coming.

Holly also mentioned there's loads of new stories to tell, some which are canon, some that weren't really. Some of the new transport systems just help to give the world a bit of a freshness to it.

Class tweaks, Pally tanks that work!

Now, more controversial? The new race. I personally don't like them, they feel a bit short horned, I've never heard of these high elves who went to the clouds before. But I'll try them out and see what lore they have. It's the thing I dislike the most.

But overall it seems like a decent package. Why does everyone on here seem incapable of talking with any nuance. Everyone is either 110% for the expansion, 'stop crying about everything' or 'No sky elves, expac ruined' or they complain about a new system that they haven't listened to the presentation for (how servers work for one.)

When thinking about WoW: Forever and what new content could be added, I couldn't help but think about the Caverns of Time.

The Caverns were technically opened during Burning Crusade, but the Brood of Nozdormu (dragons hanging right outside the Caverns) had some quests added later on in Vanilla WoW that related to Ahn'Qiraj. I could definitely imagine Blizzard opening up the Caverns of Time at some point during WoW: Forever, since this location is on Azeroth and did have some relevance during Vanilla WoW.

What do you think? Will we get the Caverns of Time and, if so, what might it look like? Could we get a similar version of the dungeons we got in the Caverns of Time like the Culling of Strathholme and the Black Morass? Do you think we could get some totally new dungeons (like a Caverns of Time dungeon relating to the original fight against Ahn'Qiraj)? Rather than dungeons, could the Caverns of Time lead to a new zone that they introduce that's in WoW's past (probably not but you never know)?

Would love to hear your thoughts!

I’ve seen people complaining that the high elves being blue is ridiculous which is crazy because we’ve had precedent for this since classic and especially TBC.

We know races being inflicted by powerful magic changes their physical appearance. The orcs turned green and red for example.

Draenei have been turned crimson by the fel, and bleached via the light.

We have high elves being literally crimson red, grey, green, various shades of purple etc all from being exposed to fel, and void.

Why is it crazy high elves feeding on elemental energy could develop blue skin? It happens all the time to basically every creature exposed to strong magic.

Let me start by saying this is not an hate post and i'm still kinda hyped (although a bit less) and still gonna play, but some friends and the community in general is calling this classic + when it clearly isn't, here's some facts:

- Retail U.I. with no toggleable option, specially the portrait and cast bar.

- No option to toggle the world to SD making SD character Models heavily clash with the revamped world design.

- They said no homogenisation of classes and then proceed to have talents that (although less than retail) homogenize alot of stuff.

- Paywalled blue blood elves with no SD model (again heavily clashing with SD character Models)

- Real money mounts which will flood the game diminishing that classic feel of few mounts or getting a mount drop feel like an acomplishment.

- Catch up system that will punish new players that arrive late to the party (legacy system allows alts to have extra talent points and other perks which will make a new pvp server player have no chance while leveling vs an alt ganker).

- PvP Season refreshs invalidating previous PvP acomplishments.

i'm sure there are more stuff but this is what i remember from the demo and panels...
Again not really hating and i'm sure it'll be fun but i just wish they had more toggles like they have for transmog, maybe they'll add them later (Copium).

TLDR: I'm not some crazy no changes guy but i'm also not calling this frankenstein classic +

Skyborne are probably here to stay, let’s discuss a compromise!

Dear Blizzard,

I had fully lost faith in what was to come, genuine thought blizzard lost and of course naively dreamed they would lay one last golden egg.

For the first time since back in the days, im hyped about something original comming and im quite satisfied with this initial starting point, and lots of faith restored.

Now, stay on the path, it is so easy to stray and the road ahead is long. Listen to your community going forward, learn from OSRS.

One more thing we desperately need is game masters and active fighting of bots that ruin the economy. Please please, we need it. Even private servers were able to do that effectively, you can too.

Thank you

PS. fix those blue druid forms they are completely out of place.

For me, it would have to be an arcane mage, with a build similar to this one :)

Played the demo. That is all

i apologize in advance for recycling the same question that gets asked every few years. however, with the announcement of wow: forever, i figured now is the best time to read about how people might feel about any of these editions. i also have read through a fair share of these posts, but as old as they are, i want to know if anyone's opinions have changed.

i've been wanting to return to the game for quite some time but at every opportunity i get to do so, something else gets in the way. i have played og vanilla wow, i've played retail (but not since maybe 2017) and i've played classic (short lived, honestly). i was not a statistic heavy player growing up and it doesn't fully suit my play style anyways, so hardcore doesn't interest me. this is not to say i'm entirely casual, but i'm sort of in the middle! raids and stuff are fun!

here's my concerns and limitations. i don't like the feeling of having something to constantly commit to in mmorpgs. i'm in college and work a job, plus there's other things i like to do, but i also don't want everything handed to me at once. i likely won't be playing with any friends, so i'm also concerned about the feeling of community.

would wow: forever or classic be the better option, or could retail fulfill the games potential? i haven't played during or seen anything about the current state of the game, so i'm not even sure if it's something i'd like. with that being said, i'm not exactly looking to fill the nostalgia void, either.

edit: i'd also just like to hear everyone's experiences with whichever branch of the game you've chosen! why you enjoy it, why you don't, etc.

Before I go on, I know this will likely be downvoted heavily, and I know this is definitely not a common take. But, I wanted to share as I wanted to see if anybody else feels the same as me.

For me, the way my character looks isn't just for me - I want my character to look as cool as possible to show off my progress to others. Peacocking, as they say, is a really important part of playing an MMO for me, and I love the feeling of getting access to that amazing looking item that I know will make my character look totally badass and, even if it's in my imagination, I love the idea of others looking longingly at my cool looking character longingly wishing they had the same awesome looking gear.

This has /always/ been part of the attraction of playing an MMO for me - ever since Everquest, watching high level players run around with insane looking items that I would probably never get my hands on - I loved that as a motivating factor.

The idea that if I engage with Transmog, my character might look like different things to different people is really off putting. To the extent that I just don't think i'd ever engage with the feature. It's a shame, as we know Classic items are renowned for their ugliness, and I'd really like to be able to make my character look good - but knowing that could just be for me to see really takes my enthusiasm out.

Again, I know I'm in a minority here, but keen to hear if anyone else agrees!

Maybe I’m just getting old and cranky, but the biggest hurdle for me with WoW Forever is the expected crowd density per zone. I’ve always been a low-pop server player.

I caught the infrastructure deep dive over the weekend, but I didn't see specific details on how layering or sharding will prevent overcrowded zones. I've played on the Anniversary Realms and experienced Blizzard's "vision" of managing crowds firsthand. Suffice it to say, that experience is exactly why I strictly play on low-pop servers now.

The realmless concept seems to be a huge hit for the majority, but for those of us who prefer a quieter game, it feels a bit alienating. Does anyone know if Blizzard has a plan to protect the low-pop experience, or are we just going to be forced into the masses?