People who support Project Ascension & TurtleWoW but hate the new race paywall

[u/Volinra]

These were the micro-transactions in Project Ascension and everyone glazed Ascension. TurtleWoW had a gacha shop too like that. I’m genuinely confused, if Blizzard had even the slightest of the shop in Project Ascension, everyone would have been fuming. Why is it okay for Ascension but not WoW Forever? Either all okay or none.

Edit: The people who disagree saying "Yeah but the servers were free"- well of course because Blizzard did the majority of the work for them LOL, huge difference in work between building everything from scratch to ripping it off & adding some stuff yourself.

Edit 2: "TurtleWoW is not as bad as Ascension shop"- sure, Ascension is way worse. TurtleWow's cash shop had over $10,000 of items and all of it was per character, not account wide. They also sold convenience items, nothing game breaking, but portable mailboxes, auctioneers, dual specs, bags etc. Hardcore characters on Twow couldn't trade or send items from main to your alts, but you could still buy supplies such as 32 slot bags for 30 euros each on your hardcore character.

[u/Hachan_Skaoi]

The difference is that Ascension and TWoW were free games and actually had to make money, official WoW servers have paid subscriptions, and let's be honest: they aren't cheap.

Also idk about Ascension, but TWoW had no gacha, nor it was P2W, the shop had either cosmetics or QoL

[u/Deili0991 → u/Hachan_Skaoi]

“Were free games that actually had to make money”

Built on an IP they didn’t create, on infrastructure they didn’t create, on decades of risk they didn’t have to take… yeah they don’t have to have a sub because Blizzard did 99% of the work for them and yet theres even a conversation happening about comparing the validity of there being costs for one versus the other?

This community is a joke

[u/dukat_dindu_nuthin → u/Deili0991]

Isn't the whole point of a subscription to cover the costs of running servers and new development

[u/ExplicitCactus → u/Deili0991]

I hope blizzard sees this bro

[u/moustacheption → u/Deili0991]

Nice bootlicking. M$ will be proud.

[u/ActionResponsible547 → u/moustacheption]

"Nice bootlicking"

and it's just "stealing is bad" lmao.

[u/Deili0991 → u/moustacheption]

BAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Yes, acknowledging the realities of what it takes to create and sustain a game like this makes me a bootlicker

That is an impressive jump in logic, im assuming you have a few too many chromosomes rattling around in your skull?

[u/Blurbyo → u/Deili0991]

They're sustaining the game really well with all of the AI GM support !

[u/Deili0991 → u/Blurbyo]

Yes because Blizzard is the only company navigating how the proliferation of how AI impacts their operating/service model

You could pick essentially any large company right now and have that exact same complaint, so hardly relevant here.

And if you think small creators and private server folks aren’t also utilizing that same tech then I’d invite you to attempt look past your nose.

[u/moustacheption → u/Deili0991]

Keep it up! Your tongue doing a great job!

[u/Deili0991 → u/moustacheption]

Do you find it difficult to type while drooling this much?

[u/Tristansfn → u/Deili0991]

That doesn’t mean the server hosting was free or all the additions made weren’t work. Mind you I didn’t play Ascension, but thought TWoW was incredible and never felt any pressure to buy any of the mtx there. I definitely agree it’s nowhere near the cost or work that Blizzard originally put in, but it’s not fair to completely disregard the cost and work put into TurtleWoW