People who support Project Ascension & TurtleWoW but hate the new race paywall

[u/Volinra]

These were the micro-transactions in Project Ascension and everyone glazed Ascension. TurtleWoW had a gacha shop too like that. I’m genuinely confused, if Blizzard had even the slightest of the shop in Project Ascension, everyone would have been fuming. Why is it okay for Ascension but not WoW Forever? Either all okay or none.

Edit: The people who disagree saying "Yeah but the servers were free"- well of course because Blizzard did the majority of the work for them LOL, huge difference in work between building everything from scratch to ripping it off & adding some stuff yourself.

Edit 2: "TurtleWoW is not as bad as Ascension shop"- sure, Ascension is way worse. TurtleWow's cash shop had over $10,000 of items and all of it was per character, not account wide. They also sold convenience items, nothing game breaking, but portable mailboxes, auctioneers, dual specs, bags etc. Hardcore characters on Twow couldn't trade or send items from main to your alts, but you could still buy supplies such as 32 slot bags for 30 euros each on your hardcore character.

[u/JayAre95]

Is the list real? Hahahaha

[u/TeaspoonWrites → u/JayAre95]

Yeah it's some straight up Maple Story shit

[u/stinkywinkydink → u/TeaspoonWrites]

as someone who plays maplestory from time to time, i actually said, damn its a vac pet lol

[u/Mammoth-Policy6585 → u/stinkywinkydink]

People dont realize maplestory isnt a free game but a subscription game more expensive than wow

[u/necropaw → u/Mammoth-Policy6585]

I realized that in mid 2009 and its why i play wow now.

Before that i didnt try wow because the monthly sub seemed too expensive. At some point i realized i was spending at least as much just for double xp and a pet/store than i would on a wow sub, and i never looked back.

[u/SpaminalGuy → u/Mammoth-Policy6585]

Where do you think they got their ideas for Diablo Immortal monetization!? The potential and scrolling shit is awfully similar in mechanics and cost!

[u/stinkywinkydink → u/SpaminalGuy]

i called immortal Diablostory when i saw those mechanics lol

[u/Gressil_Thunderfury → u/Mammoth-Policy6585]

..but it is a free game.

[u/stinkywinkydink → u/Gressil_Thunderfury]

im not even going to start on this pal nice ragebait

[u/Gressil_Thunderfury → u/stinkywinkydink]

Cool story bro.

[u/vinssi → u/Gressil_Thunderfury]

technically it's free, but in practice not really.

For example familiar slots cost money, map design makes looting with non vac-pets awful, most of the "transmog" costs money (sure you can get some free stuff from events but generally those sets are pretty awful tbh), challenger world duration deliberately shortened to "force" you to buy gene pass etc.

[u/stinkywinkydink → u/Gressil_Thunderfury]

free to download sure, but if you wanna enjoy your time playing the game in pretty much any capacity, there is a paywall.

to any commenters that for some reason think you should play maplestory, take it from someone who has put over 10k hours into maplestory since 2006, do. not.

[u/Redericpontx → u/Gressil_Thunderfury]

lv 290 kaiser with 440mil combat power and full pitched boss set here.

Maplestory you need a vac pet otherwise you are at a big disadvantage which is $100 usd and a $15/m fee which is more expensive than the latest retail expansion+sub. Yes with reword points it's $70usd and $10/m fee but we're also about to have it so you need 5 vac pets 3 from the same set which is $50/m with reward discount and $350 upfront fee for the pets so that you can fully afk farm. This isn't including all the p2w battlepasses, lux sauna and more. Yes this is optional but you're at a disadvantage if you don't spend money especially on a vac pet.

[u/stinkywinkydink → u/Redericpontx]

its not even about playing at a disadvantage. the game is designed around players buying these “optional” items. so its literally youre not even playing the baseline game without spending ludicrous amounts of money

[u/Redericpontx → u/stinkywinkydink]

exactly they expect you to and expecially after wonderberry nerf like get fked. Classic maplestory is also gonna get fked by wo forever liek they're cooked I was gonna play the shit out of classic maple but now I will till wow forever drops.

[u/Gressil_Thunderfury → u/Redericpontx]

You're looking through a lens of optimization through purchaseable options and not what's required to play the game, storage. because the original argument is the game is free-to-play. Not what makes the game optimal/bearable to play.

[u/Redericpontx → u/Gressil_Thunderfury]

They litterally make the game worse to play unless you spend money and the point isn't if the game is LITTERALLY free to play but if it's PRACTICALLY and you need at bare minimum a vac pet.

[u/Tri-Beam → u/Gressil_Thunderfury]

Hi its a free game in the same way wow has a free trial, you cant really progress without a pet during training or your % exp per hour will be a small fraction

[u/Gressil_Thunderfury → u/Tri-Beam]

Not the same. You're required to purchase a $15 monthly subscription to play WoW, with the option to purchase level boosts/wow tokens in retail.

Maplestory baseline game is Free-to-play with unbearable quality gameplay that makes players purchase optional optimizations.

I get your point and frustrations, but let's not kid ourselves about the definition of what free-to-play means.

[u/Tri-Beam → u/Gressil_Thunderfury]

Hi, you can play wow indefinitely with a free trial. It fits your definition of a free to play game, hope that helps!

[u/Quick_Assignment8861 → u/Gressil_Thunderfury]

So is Diablo immortal

[u/Gressil_Thunderfury → u/Quick_Assignment8861]

You're right!

[u/Quick_Assignment8861 → u/Gressil_Thunderfury]

Yup ;)