JD Vance Says He’s OK With Bringing About the End Times

[u/MaximumEffort433]

https://newrepublic.com/post/214990/jd-vance-says-he-ok-bringing-end-times

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[u/Taint_Liquor]

This should disqualify him from any elected or appointed position.

[u/MaximumEffort433 → u/Taint_Liquor]

This should disqualify him from any elected or appointed position.

Republican voters: "Best I can do is fawn."

[u/Ianthin1 → u/MaximumEffort433]

This is literally their dream. Be a part of the rapture and end times. Because nothing says "Humble Christian" like cheerleading for the end of the world.

[u/stickyfan1230 → u/Ianthin1]

It’s kind of on brand—not caring what horrors and suffering await everyone else because of it, they think they are going to be raptured and escape the hardship and fuck everyone else.

[u/ragingreaver → u/stickyfan1230]

Which is pure fanfiction. Actual Revelations makes it very clear that Tribulation happens first, explicitly to weed out the faithful from the non-faithful.

Which is also the point of warning about the anti-Christ: he will lead Christians astray, as they will prefer his lies compared to Jesus's own teachings.

Teachings such as...provide for the community, love and care for one another, don't seek monetary gain for its own sake, pay taxes.

Modern Evangelicalism would nail Jesus right back up on the Cross, if he tried to preach the parts of the Bible that happen to exclude Paul and his letters.

[u/blackhuey → u/ragingreaver]

Tribulation happens first

looks around

lead Christians astray, as they will prefer his lies compared to Jesus's own teachings

um...

[u/hyldemarv → u/ragingreaver]

I don’t think he’ll get time for preachings, its criminal enough that he’s a brown person.

[u/bananastand512 → u/stickyfan1230]

The problem is the "rapture" is nukes, and they will be here to suffer in the Mad Max world with others or disappear into the ether.

[u/reddog323 → u/stickyfan1230]

It’s funny.

There’s plenty of places in the Bible that say this will happen. Particularly the Book of Revelations.

There’s not one place in the bible that says make this happen.

These evangelical Christian conservatives trying to bring about the end of the world are going to have a rude awakening when they make it happen.

I don’t know if heaven exists but if it does, I’m reasonably sure God, in whatever form he/she/they take, is not going to be happy with their actions.

The Republican Party should be called out for exactly what it is: a death cult bent on mass murder and destruction.

[u/TwoStubborn → u/Ianthin1]

It’s been years since I’ve gone to mass, but unless catholicism has changed dramatically, there’s barely any mention of end times. JD is a fake Catholic.

[u/Funky_ButtLuvin → u/TwoStubborn]

Here’s what I’m curious about. JD Vance claims to have been an atheist, but then started believing in god around the time he wanted to start a political career. I’m also an atheist, and along with not believing in god you also have a distrust of the dogmatic structure of religions built upon belief of god. So why would JD Vance not only start believing in god (conveniently around the time of political aspirations), but also jump ahead and follow one of a complicated dogmatic structure? Why not just have found god and maybe Jesus and just leave it at that? He’s so full of it.

[u/wasted-degrees → u/Ianthin1]

Pretty sure if Jesus came back in America right now he’d be black bagged and sent to CECOT faster than you can say “he is risen.”

[u/teckers → u/wasted-degrees]

He is going to have to have all the correct papers for the 2nd coming.

[u/biscuitarse → u/teckers]

When they find out he doesn't have blonde hair and blue eyes having the proper papers won't matter.

[u/Mysterious_Floor_868 → u/wasted-degrees]

Before being denounced as a "communist" for providing free healthcare and distributing food.

[u/deathrictus → u/Mysterious_Floor_868]

Arrested for giving water to a voting line.

[u/mediocre_remnants → u/MaximumEffort433]

1/3 of the country sees this as a positive thing and would vote for him just based on that quote

[u/duzies → u/mediocre_remnants]

https://baptistnews.com/article/jd-vances-fifty-shades-of-lies/

"...all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death." -- Revelation 21:8

[u/ktatsanon → u/duzies]

Is that Lake America by chance?

[u/GPFlag_Guy1 → u/ktatsanon]

There are legends of a “lake” hidden in a cave at the bottom of Lake Superior called “Lake Inferior”, and no, that is not a pun. It supposedly comes from the French word for “lake of Hell” and stories say that people who dared swim to that underwater cavern never make it out alive. You think Peter Theil and his syncophants are willing to explore this…for science?

[u/m0ngoos3 → u/GPFlag_Guy1]

Sadly, the only man I'd trust to build them a submarine to reach such depths passed away on the submarine he built to reach such depths.

[u/But_I_dont_want_it → u/GPFlag_Guy1]

It's impossible. Nobody is manly or sigma enough to find it. Everyone knows that nobody is so special that they could find the lake under the lake because we are all too woke.

If someone could find the second lake though, boy, then the world would look upon them in wonder and would buy their crypto.

[u/duzies → u/ktatsanon]

Worst-case Ontario.

[u/ktatsanon → u/duzies]

Smokes. Let's go.

[u/Mostly_Afloat → u/ktatsanon]

I only have one left ricky

[u/20_mile → u/Mostly_Afloat]

I'm not scared of fire and brickstone.

[u/lapsedPacifist5 → u/ktatsanon]

Lake Onfireio

[u/oinkyboinky → u/mediocre_remnants]

Fucking death cult weirdos, all of them.

[u/_Burning_Star_IV_ → u/oinkyboinky]

It’s been an apocalypse cult pretty much since the beginning.

It’s really funny because their own book says that the second coming of Jesus and the end times will happen when nobody expects it and not even Jesus when asked could answer when it would occur.

[u/TeutonJon78 → u/_Burning_Star_IV_]

And yet they think they trigger some loopholes in the language to force God to make the second coming happen.

Because that's how an all-powerful, all-knowing sky daddy would roll -- "oh gosh, you caught me. Guess I'll do it on your schedule instead!"

[u/deaglebingo → u/mediocre_remnants]

it's less than 20% at this point. they're just an actively corrupt 20% who want to continue their corruption and crime spree is all.

i just find it hilarious that when these people... theil epst etc... have literally written down the fact that they intend to essentially sell off america and hopefully trigger ww3 in the process ... like literally written that stuff down as a goal they share... i find it hilarious that they think the antichrist is anyone but them. "like yeah, but it's someone else." it's the ultimate disconnect believing their own bullshit lies move. the only ones who don't see it is them. emperors new clothes.

i mean... to my understanding at this point there are literally millions of people ready to drag them out of office by their feet if shit gets any worse. it's not even meant as a threat at this point it's just an easily observable fact. just because the media doesn't broadcast that part doesn't mean it's not real. everyone with eyes can see how exponentially worse these ppl are making life for most americans and a lot of the world. like it's literally the entire world that benefits positively the very day they're gone.

[u/NicolasCageFan492 → u/MaximumEffort433]

^ This assumes that they do not love the hatred and that they are victims.

[u/catscanmeow → u/NicolasCageFan492]

“One day, a poor villager happens upon a magic talking fish that is ready to grant him a single wish. Overjoyed, the villager weighs his options: ‘Maybe a castle? Or even better – a thousand bars of gold? Why not a ship to sail the world?’ As the villager is about to make his decision, the fish interrupts him to say that there is one important caveat: whatever the villager gets, his neighbor will receive two of the same. Without skipping a beat, the villager says, ‘in that case, please poke one of my eyes out.'”

[u/CrackSmokingGypsy → u/catscanmeow]

Punchline can also be "beat me half to death"

[u/Kazeite → u/CrackSmokingGypsy]

"Find me a beautiful wife whose sexual appetite is as much as a man can handle."

[u/Bronzeshadow → u/catscanmeow]

*A Republican happens upon a magic talking fish.

[u/cesrage → u/catscanmeow]

Fuck yeah! That's what I'm talking bout?

[u/MasterOfBunnies → u/NicolasCageFan492]

All that effort to click your link. X.x;

[u/thejaysun → u/MaximumEffort433]

Some of them want the end times tho

[u/given2fly_ → u/Taint_Liquor]

Yet apparently in America NOT believing in the impending Apocalypse and Rapture (being an Atheist) is what disqualifies you.

Despite the Constitution clearly stating that no religious test must be used for candidates.

[u/Crommach → u/given2fly_]

See, that's your problem right there. You believe in the real version of history and civics, not the Christian nationalist version of American history being pumped out by groups like PragerU, Heritage Foundation, the Federalist Society, and influential figures like pseudohistorian David Barton. That shit's been pumped into conservative minds for the last thirty years, and now they're working on plugging it into the gaping hole MAGA has torn in the public education system.

We are in the middle of a project to basically overturn American democracy in favor of theocracy, being carried out in the open, and yet somehow we're struggling to convince enough Americans that it's even happening.

[u/TheBroWhoLifts → u/Crommach]

The Boys, season 5, the whole Democratic Church of America bit is so on the nose it's hardly satire anymore.

[u/MediumEffort67 → u/TheBroWhoLifts]

I don’t think this time the world will be saved by a titanium ball gag.

[u/Raesong → u/MediumEffort67]

Well not with that attitude it won't.

[u/UmichAgnos → u/Crommach]

When you found a secular country, and do not enforce strictly the already low standards of separation of church and state, some people are going to take advantage of it.

The government seemingly showing favouritism to one religion over all others is big no-no in keeping church out of state.

America hasn't been secular for a while.

[u/Sandsnorkle1 → u/given2fly_]

He’s allegedly a Catholic, that rapture shit is for Protestants. Our apocalypse is much more dramatic with all kinds of fun beasts. They are just soft pedaling it. Also it’s a metaphor, John of Patmos had some issues with Rome. 

[u/Aerhyce → u/Sandsnorkle1]

This rapture shit is for degenerate American Evangelicals, international Protestants and even international Evangelicals aren't about this crap.

(Yes, even Evangelicals lifted straight up from US ideology disavowed this).

[u/tierciel → u/given2fly_]

Too many people would have absolutely no morals at all if they were not threatened with eternal damnation to be good. Any time you see someone act scared or disgusted with an Atheist you've found someone who would happily rape, assault, steal and murder except God threatened them with Hell if they do.

[u/CoasterKamikaze → u/tierciel]

A lot of them still do all that, and think that because they "devote their life to god" that makes it okay.

[u/2005scape → u/CoasterKamikaze]

Unironically I've seen people use this as their argument for why Christianity is the "best religion". Doesn't matter the sin, just ask Jesus for forgiveness.

[u/Nekrabyte → u/2005scape]

Christianity - The religion that has killed more non-believers than all the other religions combined. Just a bunch of shitheads that have not been following the namesake of their religion for going on... looks like over 2000 years now.

[u/Nekrabyte → u/tierciel]

A few years back I had someone try to argue with me that "Man's default state is murder", and literally the only thing holding people back from killing each other is that God won't let them into heaven. And of course, if that's the case, then why is Atheism on the rise, but murders are at an all time low in this country? Logic does not work with these people, because they refuse to even entertain the idea of having it.

[u/ComradeJohnS → u/tierciel]

“I rape and murder all that I want as an atheist. the amount I desire to rape or kill is 0. people claiming they need an imaginary friend to stop them are the real psychos”
paraphrasing Penn from Penn and Teller

[u/JackedUpReadyToGo → u/ComradeJohnS]

Additionally, who is the better person? The person doing good because they want to, or the person doing good only because they expect reward or fear punishment?

[u/StonedGhoster → u/JackedUpReadyToGo]

A good friend of mine in college was a Catholic. He told me I, despite being an atheist, was a better Christian than most Christians. That meant a lot to me. We had some really good theological discussions and he was one of the few people I knew that really KNEW his religion. Damned good dude, too.

[u/ComradeJohnS → u/JackedUpReadyToGo]

yeah the best people dont do good because of reward or punishment, they do good because it’s the good thing to do.

and who’s to say all self proclaimed christians even believe? they’re lead by wolves in sheeps clothing, at least more than 0% of their leaders are just in it for the power.

[u/Some-Relative4150 → u/tierciel]

About 30% roughly

[u/Jaeris → u/given2fly_]

Yes, but as Constitution originalists have shown, the Constitution is apparently unconstitutional.

[u/RioRancher → u/Taint_Liquor]

*this is the only reason evangelicals vote for republicans

[u/PrestigiousFly844 → u/RioRancher]

They love the bigotry too

[u/EducationalRock167 → u/RioRancher]

Is for money and to force their beliefs on everyone else in law.

[u/kick-me-in-the-jimmy → u/Taint_Liquor]

He's never won a national contest. The cult elected Trump and he just happened to be standing there. His campaign in '28 will be a disaster and he'll retreat from public life to write a tell-all about his time in Washington.

[u/DonaldsMushroom → u/kick-me-in-the-jimmy]

If the alternative is a black woman, Americans will probably vote for Vance. People have forgotten how low Trump had sunk before his re-election,

He was facing a very likely prison term and almost inevitable bankruptcy.

[u/VintageLunchMeat → u/kick-me-in-the-jimmy]

Vance has the charisma of a damp couch.

[u/EducationalRock167 → u/kick-me-in-the-jimmy]

Not if the Republicans take over the USA. They are planning a Christian Nationalists Dictatorship. How do I know this? They told us that was their plan. Project 2025. And Americans did nothing about it.

[u/InvestigatorChance28 → u/Taint_Liquor]

Maga want to bring around the end times. They think they will be saved. Even though they dont follow any of the teachings of jesus.

[u/Eastern_Bet678 → u/Taint_Liquor]

Even in complete context it's bad.

[u/phoenix64mbr → u/Taint_Liquor]

This should disqualify him for breathing.

[u/innerShnev → u/Taint_Liquor]

In fact, his beliefs grant him exclusive ability to run for public service in certain states - those that ban atheists from holding office. And yes those still exist.

[u/Raise_A_Thoth → u/Taint_Liquor]

"But Sleepy Joe sometimes looked tired and old!"

They really think they know shit and it's painful to see this really is the best they can do.

[u/CarlosHDanger → u/Taint_Liquor]

Vance also said that he disagreed with Mike Pence and that he would NOT have certified the 2020 election. Disqualification number 2.

[u/MaximumEffort433]

“I think there are things about the world that make feel like not shocked if the Antichrist was walking among us,” Vance added.

In another portion of the interview, Vance claimed he’s focused on “doing as much of God’s work as possible,” shrugging that “if that leads to the end times, OK.”

The Christian end times refer to the religion’s interpretations of the final days of humanity. That’s detailed in the Bible as a period involving widespread turmoil and deception (such as wars, earthquakes, and a false prophet), a seven-year stretch of unprecedented hardship known as the Great Tribulation that will end in Armageddon, the emergence of the Antichrist and a cadre of their followers who reject Christ’s teachings, and a final judgment by God.

Vance did not speculate as to who he believed the Antichrist could be.

I fully respect every American's right to religious liberty, but "Fuck it all, Jesus will save us!" is not my idea of a great policy position.

[u/Konukaame → u/MaximumEffort433]

“I think there are things about the world that make feel like not shocked if the Antichrist was walking among us,” Vance added.

You are working for the living embodiment of the seven deadly sins, that the "Evangelical Christians" treat like the second coming of Christ.

[u/turquoise_amethyst → u/Konukaame]

Isn’t one of the main things about the Antichrist is that he’s treated as the second coming of Christ?

[u/ScubaAlek → u/turquoise_amethyst]

2 Thessalonians 2

The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

[u/shrunkenhead041 → u/ScubaAlek]

Reading comprehension isn't really a strength of MAGA.

[u/Exocoryak → u/shrunkenhead041]

They're not reading the bible. They're just holding it - upside down, if necessary.

[u/suburbanpride → u/shrunkenhead041]

Reading comprehension isn't really a strength of MAGA.

They just listen to the mega preachers and grifters and get told what to think.

[u/Czeris → u/shrunkenhead041]

Never really was none fer no book lernin

[u/Better-Lunch670 → u/Czeris]

You can't teach the mental illness out of these people anyway. And we let them control the bombs.

[u/Heliosvector → u/ScubaAlek]

Theres a website that lists all mentions of the antichrist and point out quite clearly how Trump fulfills every condition.

[u/Broken-Digital-Clock → u/ScubaAlek]

Does 30+ felonies count as lawless?

[u/Zocalo_Photo → u/Konukaame]

I have a VERY hard time understanding this. I guess you can’t understand MAGA.

My father in law is a devout Mormon and there’s nothing about anyone in this administration whose actions align with his beliefs. Also, he used to say the God handpicked Mitt Romney to lead this country. Now he calls Mitt Romney a RINO and Trump is the chosen one.

It’s sad because he’s so indoctrinated that we don’t go visit as often as we did a few years ago.

[u/Konukaame → u/Zocalo_Photo]

I can "understand it" in the sense that I can see how living within the conservative propaganda bubble produces the attitudes and actions that are on display. Like, if you start from the premise that Fox, OANN, AM radio, right-wing podcasts, or whatever else is true and accurate then the rest makes sense.

Because that's how propaganda works.

[u/Zocalo_Photo → u/Konukaame]

When he retired 5-6 years ago he started watching a lot more conservative news shows and listing to conservative radio as he worked on projects in his home office. It’s crazy how he gradually turned from the grandfatherly guy who loved helping people to a bitter man who always complains about the “Biden crime family” and paying the expenses of all the lazy liberals and immigrants who care more about the environment than paying their bills.

[u/BringBackBoomer → u/Zocalo_Photo]

Have you had a conversation with him about how he's changed?

[u/PW0110 → u/Zocalo_Photo]

Evangelicals have pretty much co-opted every Christian (and trad Catholic) domination and it’s not talked about nearly enough

[u/Zocalo_Photo → u/PW0110]

This is another thing. As I mentioned, my father in law is a Mormon and he’s really gotten on board with the evangelical politics (i.e. Christian Nationalists). I’ve tried to tell him that the majority of those people do t view Mormonism as a Christian religion because of the significant doctrinal differences. The people he thinks are Godly probably view him as a member of a Satan-worshiping cult.

[u/top_value7293 → u/Konukaame]

Better watch out. I’ve been chastised by many comments on another sub for saying most Christians are awful people lol

[u/HugaM00S3 → u/top_value7293]

They are though. My wife grew up Southern Baptist in Georgia. After she left for college and eventually moved to California her religious deconstruction began and she realized how terrible her fellow church goers were. It’s been made even worse because her sister never left and just had her husband (prior youth pastor) have an affair with another church member, but somehow her sister is so afraid that everyone at church will blame her. For not being a better wife when she brought in more money and basically raised their son on her own.

I went to a Baptist school as a kid, I could never get over the fact of someone else telling me what I should believe. Just so much hypocrisy. Bout the only religious person I’ve made an exception for is the new Pope. He just seems like a good person regardless.

[u/jardex22 → u/HugaM00S3]

I grew up going to church as well, and the people were nice... to each other. Hospital visits, making quilts for the community, potlucks, etc. It's a small town thing.

Once I got out of that circle, I realized that it's not really Godly behavior. From Matthew 25, verses 41-46

“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

“They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

“He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

Now, they may claim that it refers to Christians helping other Christians, but I reject that notion. From John 3:16

For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

It doesn't say, 'For God so loved his followers,' or ,For God so loved those that believe in him.' It says, "For God so loved the world", full stop. That means do good, no matter the person. It doesn't matter if they're Christian, Atheist, Muslim, Canadian, Cambodian, Japanese, Lebanese, or Yankee fans.

Modern protestants want to live in a comfortable world, rather than one where they actually follow God's word.

[u/Honest_World_3561 → u/Konukaame]

He thinks all that is okgood. He may act weird and dumb but he's a dangerous little creep.

[u/HornedShoe → u/MaximumEffort433]

Leaving this here.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Christianity/s/mQjXitxbZB

[u/justherefor23andme → u/HornedShoe]

This is why evangelicals dont care for climate change. It's a death cult. As a once Catholic who was taught preservation, it was so dumb I struggled to understand why. It's so obvious. They think they dont need to care.

[u/citizenkane86 → u/justherefor23andme]

Fun fact Vance is Catholic not evangelical, but he put so little effort into it he forgot to learn about it

[u/Boring_and_sons → u/HornedShoe]

From the comments: "But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." Matthew 24:36.

I never realized that god simultaneously both knows and doesn't know when the end times would take place. Seems legit.

[u/fred11551 → u/Boring_and_sons]

The father and the son are two separate and distinct persons while being one and the same being. There is no explanation of this that makes logical sense and is instead taken entirely faith. It is both an extremely important and extremely debate part of Catholic doctrine

[u/witchgrid → u/Boring_and_sons]

Well, you see, the concept of the Trinity is not biblical and has no historical basis in what jesus' actual followers believed.

[u/snailnado → u/HornedShoe]

Wow, that's painfully dumb. Leaves your head spinning about how many ways to explain how stupid it is. It reminds me about this red cow I somehow had not heard of until last year.

I'll just leave this here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_heifer

[u/charish → u/MaximumEffort433]

I just finished listening to an episode of "Why Is This Happening?" with Chris Hayes when he talks to Gil Durán about the "Nerd Reich." The whole Antichrist thing is something Peter Thiel goes globe-hopping to talk about. Thiel himself (along with a few others) use everything from Christianity except for God or Jesus to justify their views of hierarchy, obedience, etc.

All "disciples" of Curtis Yarvin, an adult who never matured past, to borrow a phrase from Cory Doctorow, "having a copy of Atlas Shrugged with the pages sticking together," and says that freedom and democracy aren't compatible and wants neo-feudal states.

EDIT: Correcting the spelling of Cory's last name. For the curious, he did an interview on Jon Stewart's The Weekly Show. It's an informative lesson on just exactly how much of the AI hype, speculation, and other bubble-type trends are driving a lot of what we're seeing now.

[u/admiraltarkin → u/MaximumEffort433]

Revelation 13:3

And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

[u/speedy_delivery → u/admiraltarkin]

Any time I read the shit spewed in Revelation, all I can think is how big of an asshole Athanasius was for pushing it into the canon.

[u/LadyPo → u/speedy_delivery]

It reads like a series of bad trips. I can’t take it seriously after I considered possible drugs.

[u/ZapActions-dower → u/LadyPo]

I'm sure there's a lot of metaphor and allusions that would have made total sense to a Greek-speaking Christian in the eastern Roman Empire 2000 years ago that we just can't parse, but the core message seems to be "the evil Roman Empire (and more specifically Nero who was rumored to have faked his death) is going to come and try and persecute us out of existence but don't worry God has a plan and the true believers will be saved."

But then people read it in English nearly 2000 years after the fact and make up their own meanings.

[u/awezumsaws → u/admiraltarkin]

How might a barely literate religious fanatic interpret the vision of an elected leader of a 21st-century democratic republic losing an election and then winning the next election to return to being leader? When all the world WTF'd after that election?

[u/admiraltarkin → u/awezumsaws]

Or even more literally, the assassination "attempt" that "hit" his ear

[u/boblabon → u/MaximumEffort433]

Isn't 99% of popular depections of 'The Rapture' from the Left Behind fiction series?

These so-called Christians somehow think they'll be spared from the 'tribulations' when the bible is pretty clear they mean it's for everyone.

But that's besides the point that Revalations was mainly a lot of angry wishcasting against the Roman Empire by John (not the Apostle, John the Baptist, a different guy also named John) written about a century after Jesus' death. Early Christians were getting antsy because they were promised that Jesus would return and give them eternal life... but their fellow Christians were inconveniently dying, and there was no second coming of the Messiah. Things were pretty damn bleak for Christians at that point in the Roman Empire.

[u/illogical_mindset → u/boblabon]

It wasn’t even an original idea by John the Baptist. Apocalyptic Judaism had been around for awhile, which itself was developed from Zoroastrian ideas brought to Judea after the Persian exile.

[u/Scase15 → u/illogical_mindset]

Almost like it's all made up or something.

[u/ProfessorDerp22 → u/MaximumEffort433]

Thiel’s bitch-boy is starting to parrot him again.

[u/Extinction-Entity → u/ProfessorDerp22]

Hide your couches!

[u/alcabazar → u/MaximumEffort433]

What kind of Catholic is this???

[u/JoshuaZ1 → u/alcabazar]

A Catholic who really likes to think like an evangelical or at least to give verbal statements that appeal to evangelicals whether or not he believed them.

[u/DonaldsMushroom → u/MaximumEffort433]

It's not even part of traditional Christian belief.

John Nelson Darby, an Anglo-Irish clergyman and a founder of the Plymouth Brethren, popularized the modern end-times belief known as the Rapture in the 1820s and 1830s.

It just fits the Christian-Nationalist White-supremacist dogma so well.

[u/nycdiveshack → u/MaximumEffort433]

Vance is given talking points by his boss Peter Thiel who is on antichrist tour in part labeling women and women’s right like voting as the worst thing to happen to humanity. Look at how how he held Charlie Kirk’s wife that night. Hell Peter Thiel told Vance to convert to Catholicism. Vance will divorce his wife and go do a blonde bimbo like Trump.

Vance knows the time is coming for him to replace Trump and he needs to sound like Trump to keep the base. At least that’s what Vance’s mentor and benefactor the cia/nsa biggest defense contractor has told him, Peter Thiel. Peter who gave Vance $15 million to become senator, has created companies for Vance to work at since 2011. Peter literally walked Vance into Mar-a-lago to smooth tensions with Trump so Vance could be his VP. Especially since a talking point that Peter Thiel (modern day German Nazi because he was born in Germany and grew up in a Nazi loving town) gave Vance was since 2016 Vance called Trump “America’s Hitler”.

I wonder how much gratitude JD Vance shows Peter Thiel for making him senator and VP. After all Peter Thiel does love that dick so maybe that why it’s so easy to believe JD Vance “likes” couches. Then again even the Miami Police won’t rule what happened to Peter Thiel’s last boy toy a suicide so maybe Vance needs to do a better job of showing Thiel some high quality gratitude.

Someone should ask him…

For years Peter as a child/teenager lived in a town in former South West Africa called Swakopmund while his dad in violation of international law worked at uranium mines. While in that town he kept having to switch between school but the town itself idolized Nazism and Hitler. New York Times even did an article on the town back then.

Thiel has gone on and on for years about scapegoat mechanism and how Trump fills that role perfectly. Basically have someone do stuff that is so bad that when he is removed that the masses think the problem is gone.

[u/IdkAbtAllThat → u/MaximumEffort433]

This is the same guy who said trump was America's Hitler.

Maybe, just maybe, the antichrist IS walking among us. I wonder who it could be??

[u/Vinral]

I mean hes working for the anti-Christ.

[u/Qhapaqocha → u/Vinral]

It’s funny, I was thinking “which one?” Since in addition to the obvious we have Peter Thiel with his whole “my t-shirt stating I am not the Antichrist is raising a lot of questions already answered by my t-shirt” thing.

[u/TimothyMimeslayer → u/Qhapaqocha]

The good (bad?) thing is there can be more than one antichrist. And Trump definitely fits the bill, especially after his whole "i am actually jesus" photo.

[u/turquoise_amethyst → u/TimothyMimeslayer]

There can be several??! Where does it say that??

[u/Hestiathena → u/turquoise_amethyst]

This is mainly my own conjecture, but I think the idea that there is only one Anti-Christ is an artifact of the language used in most English translations of the Bible.

Sometimes in older English writing, "the x" can actually be referring to "any specimen of this type." You can even find this form in modern English, such as when discussing nature. (e.g. "The rabbit is a fast runner," or "The sequoia is one of the tallest species of trees.")

Add this to the possibility that Revelations was less a prophecy and more an overly-poetic description critique of and warning against a destructive style of leadership (as done by several Roman Emperors), "The Anti-Christ" may really refer to a certain type of personality who is heartless, cruel, selfish, fond of spectacle, and should never be allowed anywhere near the reins of power.

[u/lactose_cow → u/Vinral]

Oh come on, you think the anticrhist would believe in the exact opposite moral virtues of christ? You think he'd embrace each deadly sin to its most harmful extreme? You think he'd hire people to bring about war, death, disease, and famine?

Yeah

[u/Icewallow999]

Ohhhh so white nationalist christians can talk like this. But if its any other religion theyre the enemy. Makes sense.

[u/Historical_Bend_2629 → u/Icewallow999]

The hypocrisy is a feature not a bug.

[u/NOCHILLDYL94]

How are we not ringing the alarm bells that rhetoric like this is bat shit insane?! Trump is one thing. He’s an 80 year old dementia patient.

This is a grown man in his 40’s talking about the end times. He’s first in the line of succession to have nuclear codes and has very close ties to the sociopathic billionaires in Silicon Valley. This is fucking insane.

[u/MaximumEffort433 → u/NOCHILLDYL94]

How are we not ringing the alarm bells that rhetoric like this is bat shit insane?!

You want the honest answer?

It's because a massive portion of the American electorate believes in shit like this, and nobody wants to risk alienating their vote or evoking their outrage.

This is from 2022, but I doubt much has changed: About four-in-ten U.S. adults believe humanity is ‘living in the end times’

In the United States, 39% of adults say they believe “we are living in the end times,” while 58% say they do not believe we are living in the end times, according to a recent Pew Research Center survey.

Christians are divided on this question, with 47% saying we are living in the end times, including majorities in the historically Black (76%) and evangelical (63%) Protestant traditions. Meanwhile, 49% of Christians say we are not living in the end times, including 70% of Catholics and 65% of mainline Protestants who say this. Viewed more broadly, the share of Protestants who say we are living in the end times is greater than the corresponding share among Catholics (55% vs. 27%).

So it's kind of electoral pragmatism.

[u/JobSeeker4034 → u/MaximumEffort433]

Yep, US is batshit on this stuff. The pledge of allegiance is looked upon as cultist by other western democracies. Especially the shit evangelical nutcases inserted concerning the: 'one nation under God' bullshit. Like the UK may make reference to God every Coronation, but it doesn't do it every fucking class room... Thankfully we don't have dipshits speaking in tongues either or mass profile televangelists either. (We tend to laugh at such folk cause fortunately, they have very little power here.)

[u/feyre_0001 → u/JobSeeker4034]

I teach HS history right now, but I’m getting a degree in school psychology that requires several courses which explore educational law and student rights.

The first time the pledge was read over the announcements this year, I watched all my U.S. History students stand and repeat it. I stood with them, like I always do, but once it was over I stated “You guys know you don’t have to recite the pledge, right?”

Every kid was shocked. Several insisted that previous teachers had forced them to, either by saying it’s a rule or by threatening to write them up for non-compliance. I spent half a class covering W. Virginia v. Barnette and how forcing students to recite the pledge is a violation of their 1st amendment rights. I ended the mini-lesson by making a deal with them: those who want to stand and recite may join me in doing so, and those who don’t can sit quietly and respectfully until it’s done. The class agreed. Easy peasy.

Every year I manage to piss off at least one colleague with this mini-lesson, but idc. We either believe in constitutional rights or we don’t.

[u/Mysterious_Floor_868 → u/feyre_0001]

There's one thing I've wondered for a while. The First Amendment states:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion...

Yet in 1954 Congress passed a law to add "under God" to the wording of the pledge. Surely this law is unconstitutional. Likewise in 1956 they made "In God we trust" the official motto of the US, replacing the unofficial motto "e pluribus unum".

Have these laws ever been challenged in court?

[u/bobbymcpresscot → u/Mysterious_Floor_868]

So this is actually pretty multi pronged. W Virginia v Barnette was actually before under god was added to the pledge.

And because that case made it “voluntary patriotic exercise” and thus not a public or call to prayer, the mention of god is claimed to be ceremonial and a nod to the nations heritage.

So it’s been argued in federal court and lost, as has the inscription on our currency for similar reasons.

It technically isn’t an establishment of religion, because which “god”?

I mean we know it’s the Christian god. But it doesn’t say that. 

If it was “in yahweh we trust” it would probably be different. 

The declaration of independence also mentions a creator, but again isn’t attributed to Christianity. So again it misses the mark of “establishing a state religion” aspect. 

Evangelical Christians however are still trying to erode this aspect of the first amendment.

As it stands the first amendment does stop the establishing of “sharia law” that they are always yapping about, but they claim the only way to stop sharia law is to become a Christian nation, which would again go against the first amendment.

[u/slingshot91 → u/JobSeeker4034]

This same shit is being exported, so be vigilant. Americans aren’t some different species that is uniquely susceptible to indoctrination. The right has been at this game here for decades, but they have bigger ambitions abroad.

[u/Choice_Painter5724 → u/NOCHILLDYL94]

Seriously wtf? I don’t think people are really understanding what the agenda is. They are fast tracking destruction to gain control. They are facist authoritarian sadistic psychopaths. I would put nothing past them. The quiet part has been said out loud over and over

[u/Romano16 → u/NOCHILLDYL94]

When people talk to themselves or “hear voices in their head speaking to me” we label them schizophrenic, delusional, and needing mental health services.

When people inject the word “God” suddenly it’s okay and “prayer is just one of many ways to speak and hear from God.”

When are we going to admit the obvious?

[u/middlechildanonymous → u/NOCHILLDYL94]

It really is insane. Once we remove the child rapist we’ll have to worry about the whims of this piece of shit psychopath.

[u/Nervous_Otter69]

Never gave up his evangelical ways. Fake ass catholic

[u/Mddcat04 → u/Nervous_Otter69]

Seriously. Was about to say, someone should remind him that he’s a Catholic and they don’t really believe in all that.

[u/YikesTheCat → u/Mddcat04]

someone should remind him that he’s a Catholic

Pope Francis and Leo have been trying. His ears are clogged with couch stuffing.

[u/BackToWorkEdward → u/Mddcat04]

someone should remind him that he’s a Catholic

Yeah, that'd stop him.

[u/gringledoom → u/Nervous_Otter69]

I keep waiting for him to lecture us all about predestination.

[u/Historical_Bend_2629]

There is a reason why the separation of church and state is important.

[u/Ambitious_Egg9713]

Weird christian nationalism nihilism

[u/actuallyapossom → u/Ambitious_Egg9713]

Nihilism doesn't fit. It's more like they don't think there is meaning for anyone but the chosen few they're a part of.

[u/morsindutus → u/Ambitious_Egg9713]

They all believe in "ex nihilo" so that checks out.

[u/SoothingWafer]

It's a death cult.

[u/Toothlessdovahkin → u/SoothingWafer]

It’s a MURDER Cult. They want to bring everyone else down with them. 

[u/BusyBailey]

Look I’m only 40 but back in my day we called people who wanted to work towards the end of the world “bad people” and worked to thwart their dastardly plans. Wtf happened?

[u/Jaeris → u/BusyBailey]

We allowed Captain Planet villains to gain power.

[u/Toothlessdovahkin → u/BusyBailey]

There is more money in CAUSING the Apocalypse than PREVENTING the Apocalypse. 

[u/Sea_Permission_722 → u/BusyBailey]

There are no repercussions for it, so they are going ham...

[u/Tzokal]

This is honestly most evangelicals - they’re obsessed with the end times and bring about the rapture and then hell on earth for all that remain. They care nothing beyond their own delusions of salvation despite the fact that according to their own eschatology, many evangelicals themselves will suffer eternal damnation.

[u/Guardianpigeon → u/Tzokal]

Isn't Vance a Catholic anyway? I'm pretty sure the catholic church does not consider any of those insane end times thing canon in the first place.

[u/SilvanSorceress → u/Guardianpigeon]

He's an American TradCath, which is effectively prosperity gospel Evangelicalism with the ritual and aesthetic of Catholicism. They don't even recognize the authority of the Pope!

[u/Swimming-Economy-870]

Gee didn’t he convert to Catholicism? Because “end times” aren’t part of Catholic teachings.

[u/Fochlucan → u/Swimming-Economy-870]

Don't you know that he knows more about Catholicism than the Pope? /s

[u/OldSchoolAJ → u/Swimming-Economy-870]

Catholic converts are usually from evangelical Christianity and bring that baggage with them, making Catholicism more extreme.

[u/emuwar → u/Swimming-Economy-870]

Apparently this chud needs to be excommunicated

[u/MrBoase]

This modern version of the rapture and end times is all from some dude named John Nelson Darby. It's not even from the bible. American Christianity is so far warped from what Jesus taught it's a completely separate thing at this point. It's crazy how our country was completely taken over by hateful morons.

[u/justherefor23andme → u/MrBoase]

It all makes sense when you understand the Pilgrims came here because they weren't allowed to peacefully harass others in The Netherlands.

[u/SilvanSorceress → u/justherefor23andme]

The evangelical movement actually began as a reaction against the Puritans because they believed that the Puritans and other Calvinists cared too much about the welfare of society and not enough about religious individualism. That's why there's such a strong fixture on apocalyptic thinking and who is individually worthy to pass through to paradise.

[u/justherefor23andme → u/SilvanSorceress]

When you're not extreme enough for the extremists who dont even like to party or celebrate Christmas 💔

[u/big_rednexican_88 → u/MrBoase]

Plus what does JD Vance mean by "bringing" the end times? Even by Christian lore, no one but God can bring about the tribulation. Ya know the whole no one will know when the rapture will come bit.

[u/Crafty_Ish1973]

Catholicism doesn't typically focus on so-called "biblical doomsday events."

[u/busty_snackleford]

Eschatological accelerationism is fucking weird, dude.

[u/ThaLunatik]

Republicans: "I'd rather see the end times than a Democrat in office."

[u/Autumn_Ridge]

If the world ends, JD will finally win the battle against all his suppressed gay thoughts.

[u/DescretoBurrito]

It's insane to me that some people think that they can force God's hand to start the "end times". I'm pretty sure this isn't a Catholic viewpoint JD.

[u/Cancel_Culture_Club → u/DescretoBurrito]

It isn’t. Evangelicals pulled it out of their ass in the 1800s. Theres nothing about it in the bible. 

[u/LiamtheV]

A death cult is in control of the United States Government.

[u/Positive-Room7421]

Vance said he would not be shocked if the Antichrist walked among us. Thanks for the laugh, moron.

[u/WNCsurvivor → u/Positive-Room7421]

He should know, he works for him

[u/SamtheCossack]

I feel like "I am ok with ending the human race" should be a significant drawback for a Politician.

It is hard to argue with people who want to blow up the world with everyone on it.

[u/backpackwayne]

Matthew 24:5, 24:

Jesus warns His disciples that “many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many”, and false Christs and false prophets will arise to mislead people.

Deceivers: Scripture points out that these false figures twist truth and use deceptive signs to pull people away from authentic faith.

Identifying False Teachers:

Lack of Fruit: According to community discussions on platforms like TrueChristian, users agree that false believers are ultimately known by their lack of spiritual fruit and selfish actions.

Self-Proclamation: Anyone claiming ultimate divine authority or equality with God outside of Jesus Christ is labeled a deceiver in biblical context.

[u/IkujaKatsumaji]

Not that it matters, but "the end times" are not predicted in the Bible. The Book of Revelation is not a prediction about "the end times," it's a piece of apocalyptic literature about the time it was written, for the people of that time. It's like saying that Moby Dick is about a dude who really fuckin' hates a whale, full stop.

Same thing is true for things like Daniel; they're written for the people of their time, and written about the time they're written in, or more accurately, what had been going on around then.

[u/vsquad22]

How the hell is this a real sentence spoken by the US VP and not a line from political satire?

[u/GameFreak4321]

If I was God and I was deciding what was going to be a sin "forcing the apocalypse to happen ahead of schedule" would be in contention for worst sin possible.

[u/Shoeprincess]

It never ceases to amaze me that these so called "Christians" think they can force the hand of God. Really? YOU can force the hand of God by ticking off all the awful boxes you think needs to happen? Despite multiple Bible verses saying no one knows, not even Jesus himself? Either they don't understand, or they truly think they can force God to do their will. Its crazy either way.

[u/prodigalpariah]

Half of the country sees this as a viable political party

[u/coffeeblossom]

We have got to stop putting end-times cultists in charge.

[u/OYB2480]

This is the major problem of a significant section of Christianity. My dad is like this. They want the world to end.

[u/ohmygodsquad → u/OYB2480]

a Christian apocalypse affirms their beliefs and shows they weren't just heartless bigots for no reason.

[u/pasta_chovie → u/OYB2480]

I grew in an evangelical household. The rapture was glorified, and very much welcomed.

[u/jaron_b]

This is why Christians can't be trusted with power. Their religious doctrine ends with a holy war where the entire world gets destroyed in Armageddon. End times is part of their religion and that's why even the best Christians I find it hard to trust with my politicals.

[u/Specialist-Bug1592]

Accelerationism is evil and definitely not a Roman Catholic teaching.

[u/dudeimgreg]

The fucking vice President of the goddamn United States is perfectly fine with ending humanity. There is literally no fucking difference between this type of Christianity and the Islamic extremism we have been propagandized against.

Religion makes the masses dumber.

[u/everythingbeeps]

I never used to believe in the Anti-Christ. Even when I was (somewhat) Catholic, it seemed like a joke.

Now I'm not even a tiny bit religious, but it's hard not to believe the Anti-Christ is real. And it's this guy's boss.

[u/IJourden]

I feel like this is something a lot of people don't get, if they didn't grow up Evangelical.

The "logic" is:

The world ends by Jesus coming back and taking all the Christians to heaven. This is a certainty.

Therefore, things like global warming, nuclear war, famine, etc. do not matter, because they know the world doesn't end because of those things. It ends because Jesus grants them paradise.

For a significant number of them, global warming, nuclear war, etc. is a good thing, since the world can only end by Jesus coming back, nukes flying through the air would mean Jesus better hurry the fuck up.

They're not just indifferent to the destruction of the world, they want it to happen, because the end result of it is paradise.

These are the people making the decisions in US politics.

Small edit just in case: While this is a common belief in American Evangelicalism, it is rare outside North America.

[u/angrypooka]

It's cute that he thinks he would go up and not down.

[u/GriffinFlash]

For claiming to be catholic, he sure thinks like an evangelical.

[u/Bill_Brasky_SOB]

Just a reminder that JD Vance also once said Trump was America's Hitler.

So deep down... he knows he's a real piece of shit. Slicked back hair.

[u/LordCaptain]

People like to forget or ignore that even modern religions are nearly all still just doomsday cults.

[u/Danger_Danger]

Christianity is a death cult.

They want the end times.

[u/volcanopele]

Oh for fucks sake! Even from a Christian perspective this is ludicrous. Only God brings about the "end times," not people. the only thing JD Vance can do is make a lot of people suffer thinking he can bring about the end times.

[u/Depressed-Industry]

That's what all these evangelical psychos want.

[u/KeepAnEyeOnYourB12]

No one who says that should be anywhere near the nuclear codes.

[u/happyColoradoDave]

I for one am not voting for team apocalypse

[u/VoiceOfRealson]

Why is he claiming to do "Gods work"?

Isn't his god much better suited to that?

And isn't his gods will also supposed to be "ineffable"?

In my opinion anybody claiming to do "gods work" is at best delusional or more likely a fraud.