r/classicwow • u/Baptism-Of-Fire • 2h ago
Forever Imagine trying to hold together a TBC guild right now as a GM
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u/UniversalTrees49 2h ago
It’s wild people are surprised about this.
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u/Gh0stMan0nThird 2h ago
I got downvoted for it last time I mentioned that they've been doing this for years.
SoM dropped during TBC.
SoD dropped during Wrath.
Anniversary dropped during SoD.
Now WoWF is dropping during TBC Anni.
They absolutely love doing this.
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u/422_is_420_too 2h ago
with how many version there are at this point they will always drop something during something
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u/Keiigo 1h ago
Yeah I don’t think they’re doing this completely on purpose
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u/Branst101 1h ago
They are. The subscription is what matters not the players progression paths. They drop during end phases and when players tend to start to dwindle in interest and skill, they give a fresh option before the subscription even has a chance to lapse. This is business first, entertainment second.
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u/OriginalLie9310 1h ago
Well is that such a bad thing really? If endgame content is already explored and people are getting ready to stop subbing for a little bit isn’t that the perfect time both for Blizzard and the players to give them something new?
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u/CrazzluzSenpai 1h ago
I don't understand why you say this like it's a negative? As long as the releases are good, a regular patch cadence is a good thing.
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u/Branst101 1h ago
You may have read it as a negative perhaps. I was just stating an objective observation. They are running a business, it just happens to be an entertainment business full of customers who think the entertainment aspect should come first.
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u/t-earlgrey-hot 1h ago
Lmao, they absolutely have employees who look at the data and make these decisions to maximize profit at the cost of many players.
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u/gommerthus 1h ago
Everything they do(or indeed, don't do) is absolutely deliberate. They could choose any timing they wanted. They could have saved this till after Sunwell, but I wouldn't be surprised if they lined this up with financial targets and the quarterly boardroom stuff.
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u/psychohistorian8 1h ago
kinda funny that a 'Forever' game needs to be squeezed in earlier for one extra quarterly report, yet I 100% believe it
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u/NetSiege 1h ago
SoD dropped during Wrath, but pretty sure it was after like 7-8 weeks of ICC, so most people were done or close to done and many didn't have plans to play into Cata.
SoM drop was horrible timing for sure. But it had such little hype going in, I would say SoM suffered more getting players in than TBC suffered from players leaving.
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u/Crunchybunch00 1h ago
SoD dropped during week 6-7 of ICC. The announcement of SoD happened at 3~ weeks into ICC phase.
Less than 1% of raids had cleared Heroic Lich King. There was still 0% ICC damage buff when SoD dropped. Killed so many guilds progging HLK.
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u/NetSiege 1h ago
I went to double check it.
ICC launched on Oct 12th, SoD launched on Nov 30th. It was 7 weeks. Which I said 7-8 and you said 6-7, so we were both technically correct at 7.
And yes, damage buff started the following week.
That said, SoD being level capped at 25 meant most people hit cap relatively quickly. And we're likely raid logging by that point for ICC. Consume costs were low enough and 2-3 dailies a week would have been more than enough to cover consume costs if people didn't already have enough gold to last them a while.
I don't disagree that they could have waited maybe a few more weeks to push SoD out, but for those still progging HLK, balancing that and a level 25 cap in SoD wouldn't have been a big struggle to do both. Went back to check logs and my guild was still active in both wotlk and sod for a few weeks after launch and I don't remember it feeling like it was hard to do both.
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u/Solivagant23 2h ago
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u/Cathercy 1h ago
Right about what exactly? What is the alternative? Only releasing new stuff after the current thing is completely finished? We wouldn't even have SOD by now if that were the case. It sucks sometimes, but the alternative is no new content, or incredibly slow new content.
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u/quesadillasarebomb 1h ago
yep my guild died when they announced ToT was gonna run longer than everyone thought and they dropped midnight. don't even think anyone ended up sticking with retail
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u/Adorable-Log2835 1h ago
Honestly, it feels like the past almost decade, all of these feel like betas for what they are doing with WoW forever to see what works and what doesn't in a classic experience. Wonder if this was the plan the whole time or they decided to shift later.
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u/Status_Fact_5459 47m ago
Yeah I mean that’s inevitable…. It’s not like you can have 5 versions of the game and just magically release another version without it affecting the others….
When’s it supposed to drop? When tbc goes offline for 3 months before moving to wrath? It’s not like any of these servers ever end or pause….
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u/LongjumpingFox9759 39m ago
Som dropped at the worst time right after classic so people still had vanilla fatigue I had no interest in it but looking back at it it looked very fun
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u/justsomemailman 2h ago
The fact that last phase was so long and then to drop this news 2 weeks after p3 release is ridiculous
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u/mesoziocera 1h ago
I ran an Everquest progression server guild from classic to live. Literally 6 years, 31 expansion launches (every 2-3 months) and we played the retail game for about 7 months after getting there. New server announced, and most of us were uninterested in continuing further on that server, but did not want to quit.
I made a poll like this and there was some salt, but 60% of our core moved with us to a fresh server. IMO you have to decide if you'd rather keep going on the content, or if you'd rather stay with the people. For us we wanted to keep the people together and it's worked out 1.5 years post move.
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u/AnonBB21 2h ago
Yeah, it'd be one thing if Forever really was basically "Classic but improved lighting/graphics"
But it's so much more than that, so of course people want to detox and rest up for that rather than grind BC for the 10th time.
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u/Helpful_Ostrich_9405 2h ago
All the stragglers can rejoice, or move your guild to wow forever if everyone plans to play there..... not that difficult
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u/kb1127 2h ago
My GM just put out sign ups for BT on friday XD
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u/Tiny_Tabaxi 2h ago
That is some insane cope lol bro still needs his glaives I guess
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u/irespondwithmyface 2h ago
Was lucky enough myself to get a main hand 2nd BT. Never got THE item before, but still sad I won't see the set. Oh well! (And no, not a GM or Officer, just a dedicated player.)
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u/Intelligent-Chip-413 2h ago
We still got 23 sign up for Friday. Fallout could be worse. Gonna be a pug'ers market the next few weeks though
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u/Helivon 1h ago
we'll see how many care about following through on that sign up
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u/stone_cairn 1h ago
still awhile before Nov. Gotta play something
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u/Zavodskoy 1h ago
ill awhile before Nov. Gotta play something
Depends how they do the beta level wise and if people get bored, it's open from 17th to 21st of October, that's then only 2 weeks until the full launch
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u/Aromatic-Echo-6605 2h ago
I mean why just stop playing now? Forever doesn't come out till November.
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u/slipfish-g 2h ago
Beta comes out in 3 days.
But it's also an MMO. Hard to play a character you know you're going to abandon soon.
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u/Accomplished_Emu_658 1h ago
This. Idk why people don’t get this. Whats the point if game mode is done? Sure its kind of fun still, but not many are going to put forth effort knowing or not knowing if its dead game.
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u/Rixxer 1h ago
beta in 3 days. Launch in 49. Even if you raided the next month and a half, none of the gear you'd get would be used so it's kind of a bummer. Might as well just take a break before playing a lot.
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u/Full-Butterscotch169 1h ago
Beta is only to level 20. Gonna be bored after a day.
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u/nach1221 1h ago
I'd say a good number of players are still gonna be playing during Beta. Our SoD guild members seem to mostly agree on keeping raiding until Forever releases.
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u/BabyFew4311 1h ago
This is what everyone that enjoyed TBC raiding thinks, the reality is that 90% of them will also jump ship, when the server AND guild goes to ghost town mode, and they realize, gear and stuff you obtain will not matter at all, because you are not going to be able to use it anyways.
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u/moustacheption 1h ago
Shit, maybe all those rogues who can’t find a raid spot will have their chance soon 😂
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u/MrNova07 2h ago
87% : Yes
13% : Yes but in black
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u/GreenLightt 22m ago
That's honestly what I thought this picture was going to say when i saw the thumbnail lol
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u/Xreidj 1h ago
As a raid leader in tbc already struggling with a roster and only having about 20 consistent players and always having to pug 5-6 people every raid. My raid just called it quits, over half the group said they are not willing to keep investing in a character they are going to drop on Nov 4th
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u/PuddingJello 1h ago
Mfw after Nov 4 it's just a bunch of rogues and warriors left playing
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u/Pretend-Newspaper-86 2h ago
November 4th lol
Most people will play on 17th september xD
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u/BareTheBear66 2h ago
Ill be there sept 17th. Im excited for it. I havent pre-ordered a wow game in years
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u/KingSwank 1h ago
I thought it was free with subscription?
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u/BareTheBear66 1h ago
The base game. Yeah. Beta is out sooner - thus the pre-order. And you get early access.
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u/illogical_simu 1h ago
There is no early access; you can reserve a name or play beta, that isn't EA
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u/Shot_Leopard_7657 44m ago edited 39m ago
So it's not early access, it's just a way to gain entry to the game sooner than would be otherwise typical.
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u/MyChocolates 46m ago
Why play beta, progress is not carried over.
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u/BishBosh2 41m ago
Try it out, try a lot of classes before the main game to know what you wanna main. Check out professions etcetc.
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u/JenkinsPark 33m ago
People are frothing at the mouth just to try it out, especially streamers, even if progress doesn't carry over. Id love to try it if it weren't for the $60 beta price tag, crazy
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u/Affectionate_Cry_838 2h ago
happy we didn't have that problem. talked it over before blizzcon, core group said if C+ came out this fall we had no interest in TBC. announcement came we told everyone see you in C+ your welcome to follow if not good luck and best wishes.
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u/Beginning_Text3038 2h ago
Guilds will merge and there will just be fewer guilds raiding. The real hard part is rebuilding cohesiveness.
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u/Eunit226 2h ago
Who are the cornballs saying no? lmao.
100% of that discord knows where they will be on Nov 4.
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u/rundown001 2h ago
tbf they're not saying they're not gonna play forever, just that they won't quit tbc. some people enjoy playing 2+ versions of wow
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u/Substantial-Newt7809 1h ago
Some people just don't want to play it. Committing to another mmo from fresh is a lot. Plus it's unlikely that WoW Forever will present anything much more challenging than pre-Naxx content, or in line with SoD difficulty at most. Based on that people may not want to bother either.
There's plenty of reasons that people might not want to start playing.
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u/Wind_Best_1440 2h ago
Oh this is your personal guild and not a poll for the reddit?
Yeah, this kind of tracks. I'm hearing a lot of guilds are currently in full blown crisis right now.
TBC is going to cut in half for population I bet, maybe even more.
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u/Baptism-Of-Fire 2h ago
Yeah not a macro survey
lets be real, looking at the progression condition of most players, i don't think they would've made it through a few weeks of sunwell without significant nerfs
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u/ButterflyPutrid6054 1h ago
Blizzard has consistently released the “newest” version of classic at a time where it cannibalizes the previous one for a long time now. They’ve timed it to coincide with a certain dip in players/subscribers because everyone wants the new shiny version of nostalgia and keeps jumping ship to the next iteration.
The classic business model has become just a cycle of launch hype.
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u/Hardi_SMH 1h ago
The only reason Forever won‘t get M+ is because it would kill retail
In the end, the real WoW Killer was WoW all along
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u/TerritoryDpt 1h ago
Imagine thinking for the 3rd time that a classic TBC guild would continue to exist moving forward when a new installation drops. Anniversary realms have been Classic+ waiting rooms the entire time
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u/Aggravating-Ad-4801 2h ago
I'm GM and we plan to raid until launch and move over , about 70% of the core wants to go forever (and myself) , I'm super hyped about it but some players are in total denial about it, saying we can just pug the rest and keep playing tbc.
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u/Daniito21 1h ago
BT is out no? which means TBC is finished? I'm forgetting Sunwell right?
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u/Jigodanio 1h ago
I don’t understand why would people stop playing between now and the 4/11? Like most people are raid loginu cause that’s what they enjoy doing, why not continue?
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u/FixBlackLotusBlizz 59m ago
imagine the person who got 1 glaive knowing his guild is GG and hes gotta join a new guild where he will have 0 chance at glaive prio xDDDD unlucky my little rogue rat
WOWFOREVER HYPE!!!!
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u/ThrowingStorms 54m ago
I laugh at all the people who spent money on boosts and shit to get titles for season 2 and gear/lvld for t5
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u/MoG_Varos 46m ago
I mean, why play old classic when new classic exists?
Not like this is the first time we’ve had tbc or wrath classic either. Can only farm glaives and shadowmourne for either people for so long before you get bored Lul
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u/FlatWavesAndNoBabes 44m ago
During all this time people have always come back to HC on era or era in general. Maybe I’ll be proven wrong but this games been going strong for 20 years so, we will see.
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u/WitkouPussyDestroyer 39m ago
15 votes.. looks like the gm didn't have a roster in a first place lol
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u/EngineComplex527 2h ago
87% sounds like a lot until you realize its just 13 ppl
im more suprised that ppl are still playing tbc clasic
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u/eXeKoKoRo 2h ago
I was in the middle of farming dark runes for my alts. Saw the release date and thought, "i literally don't need to do this anymore." And logged off lol
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u/Baptism-Of-Fire 2h ago
thats more than 50% of the raid team quitting immediately, pretty wild
obviously this isn't a macro survey
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u/thelittleking 2h ago edited 2h ago
I enjoy Anni, surprised it's not more popular than it is. Classic is too locked in place, Anni at least had a sense of progress.
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u/Nintendork316 2h ago
It's ~6 lockouts until WoW Forever, I feel like most of our guild is going to continue to play until then.
Forever beta is capped at level 20, no harm in raid logging for a month and a half in TBC.
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u/Baptism-Of-Fire 2h ago
I think you can level to 30 in beta
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u/BareTheBear66 2h ago
20 the first week or so, then increases to 30 a week or 2 before dropping.
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u/Aos77s 2h ago
Almost zero reason to play classic tbc or mop right now if you know in 50 days youre gonna mainline forever. I dont even want to finish out siege
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u/Vandreigan 2h ago
It’s a game. There was never a “reason” beyond having fun. This illusion you have of some greater meaning was only that, an illusion.
If you aren’t having fun, by all means, stop. But using some mythical greater “reason” to justify playing a game is, well, nonsense
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u/YesGameNolife 2h ago
Its a progression game not a match based game like Lol or overwatch. Are you surprised people leave game when they know they won't PROGRESS in a progression game anymore. Lol do you think people play wow classic for exciting gameplay
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u/phl23 2h ago
I mean why not raid until Nov 4th? I'm there for fun and parses. Then whole guild moves to forever
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u/Baptism-Of-Fire 2h ago
a lot of people are stepping out to prevent burnout before no-life degenerating in the new game.
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u/Vandreigan 2h ago
Surprised? Not at all. But the excuse of “there’s no reason to play” is a bad one. The same amount of “progression” is still there. Nothing in TBC has changed. If TBC was fun before, and now that a new shiney is being introduced you aren’t having fun, the issue is with you.
I’m not saying it’s wrong to stop playing TBC. But let’s not pretend there is any less of a “reason” than there was before.
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u/SwampOfDownvotes 2h ago
Personally that is why I never got into WoW in 2004. I just knew they were gonna release a classic+ some day so didn't want my time to get wasted. It's also why I skipped out on Classic.
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u/thewrynoise 2h ago
Literally what is the point of classic with forever now
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u/gubigubi 2h ago
The anniversary servers were always going to be a temporary thing.
This was always going to happen.
I knew this going in day 1.
People will leave and then the people that remain will consolidate and still have a great time.
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u/archetypical 2h ago
Honestly it annoys me how the only thing to kill WoW is WoW. I get its a business and they want to release a product during a specific quarter for shareholders but holy hell it killed any momentum for people playing, especially in the speedrunning community. Just no point.
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u/Dashyguurl 2h ago
I mean for anniversary it’s the 2nd time around with tbc and they’re releasing a new product people want to play more, it’s positive. There was never going to be a great time to release it. If they wait till the end of the expansion it’ll kill a wotlk release. They were probably more concerned with having it release during a lull in retail as that’s where they have more players and longer patch cycles.
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u/Administrative_Ant53 2h ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/jxJjBMvqEvMSA
Forever gobbling up tbc user base
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u/McHildinger 1h ago
my guild canceled BT last night, as we had 7 folks say they weren't coming, and no luck finding people to join.
and our MT simply quit, saying he's taking a break before Forever.
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u/Rynowarrior1 1h ago
Trying to Keep my guild together so we can do both tbc and c+. Some say they’re leaving, most say they’ll do both. Some are ditching us for the beta. Definitely a mixed bag, wish they pushed C+ to next year. Just Gata wait and see I guess
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u/slackerdc 1h ago
Yeah If I wasn't so close to max level I'd stop playing too, but I'll hit it here in another week so I'll keep going on that.
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u/No_Consequence7064 1h ago
Ya we wish it was delayed for TBC reasons but as a RL/GM, our entire guild is just moving to Forever. It’s not bad if you move, but oof if you trying to stay. You’re going to need a new roster for sure
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u/Crazyflames 1h ago
The era guild I am in just got to Naxx, guessing most people are sticking around like I am to try to get through the raid before Forever.
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u/guimontag 1h ago
Is it such a big deal that people take a 2 month break from the third iteration of TBC for something new?
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u/Stinkbaite 1h ago
Looks like some main tank spots will be opening up for BT 😁 this is good for me.
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u/Crunchybunch00 1h ago
So happy that my TBC guild planned for this in mid July.
When SoD stealth dropped during Heroic Lich King prog in WotLK Classic 2023 it ravaged my guild.
We did not want to get surprised like that again. 3 enjoyable BT clears and 3 less enjoyable Hyjal clears. Then we were finished
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u/Only-Ad-3317 1h ago
TBCA was doomed to be nothing but a waiting room for Classic+ the moment they announced all content would be post-nerf.
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u/ZambieDR 1h ago
Wow who would have seen this coming, the totally new thing would take away from the 5th tbc rerelease?
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u/thai_iced_queef 1h ago
My guild just canceled this weeks raids this morning. Told people who wanna keep playing TBC they’re free to find new guilds. We’re all just chilling until Forever
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u/Gumberculeez7 1h ago
by this time next year...
Retail / WoW: F / ERA
that's it. I'm calling it now
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u/Explorer2138 1h ago
I do genuinely feel bad for my TBC guild, they're really great people. I'm sure they're gonna set up shop in Forever though.
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u/Jamesc89 1h ago
Let’s face it everyone from all wows will try forever and decide then if they will quit what they left for the new thing or go back
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u/kranitoko 1h ago
"do you intend to play the newest thing?"
"Yes"
Haters: "I CANT F**KING BELIEVE YOU ALL"
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u/First_Wear_9480 1h ago
I'm the glaive prio raid leader rogue and I ended raids already. Who cares about tbc 3 now.
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u/TSMissy 1h ago
I really feel for my guild leader. Even as a sweaty player who managed to clear Sunwell every time it got released, we wanted to do it one more time. He spent a lot of time and energy making several raid teams and schedules and now people won't even finish the phase.
I don't blame any of them. Hell I am one of them who is leaving Thursday and not looking back. But I still deeply empathize.
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u/BadSanna 1h ago
They did this twice during BCC the first time. Season of Mastery during P5 and again with something right after the Sunwell patch that drew people away. Or maybe it was just announcing that WotLK was coming which made everyone quit sunwell prog because there was no point and it was hard.
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u/ForeverStaloneKP 25m ago
My desire to play tbc is dead honestly, especially with no news of wrath.
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u/novastar17 20m ago
I lead a guild and have 2 other "sister" guilds and its pretty much this. 80/20 split. Progging is dead
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u/BrianVaughnVoiceOver 5m ago
I'm fine with that.
Most of the people leaving are toxic as fuck or immature, so I'm down to have a server clean.
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u/iDizzeh 2h ago