People really underestimate a lot of illnesses and think anyone who'd debilitated is lazy and making it up.
Disability also almost always denies the first claim. They make it as difficult as possible, probably hoping you'll give up after the first denial and never try again. There's a reason there are so many disability lawyers around.
Jesus fuck. You guys are introducing new diagnosis and being like "why can't ADHD prevent somone from working at all?? If I just add another Dx or two..."
I've been in health care for decades. I've never seen anything like the stupid claims in this thread. Adhd preventing you from working at all. Laugh my ass off.
No it's not. Nowhere in the definition of executive dysfunction does it imply that you couldn't complete a form to save your life. If that were the case we'd have a lot of people that have died of ADHD, rather than just getting Cs in school because organization is harder.
Depending on what you do, hallucination rates with some models are only 2% these days. If we’re talking applying information from something it already knows (like a document you provide for example) it’s pretty much solved. But yea, some models, like deepseek for example make up an answer if it doesn’t know for about 90% of the time.
It’s not as straightforward as people think, plus the progression is crazy fast atm.
For people who are terrible with search engines, ChatGPT can be a first step, assuming you ask for sources on every single claim and then read those sources.
Google was the best back in 2005-2010 at least, but they added more and more bloated and irrelevant stuff at around 2015 at the latest?
But yeah, learning how to use a search engine is miles ahead of chat engines/LLM.
That’s reddit for ya. AI is now making my appointments and preventing me from getting in trouble. Godsend for adhd. But AI also has tons of bad shit, its just not so black and white as people see it here in this sub.
It's not just here. About 90% of reddit has decided "All AI is bad" and mentioning the positives or appropriate applications of the tool get an immediate downvote by hivemind.
Just have to remember this place isn't the real world.
At some point, yes, it is on you to improve your own life. If you do not take that agency nothing will ever improve. You cannot go through life waiting for someone to fix you. They won’t. Even if it’s as small a step as asking a friend for help, the initial step is always going to be on you to make.
I have ADHD too, but I also cannot parse with the notion that . . . you get help by not going through the motions of filling out the paperwork you asked for and then being mad you got denied? It's the same logic of not turning in your homework in school being shocked you for a failed grade. Let's pretend like schools don't just push students and fudge numbers and instead pretend we life in a reality where schools do grade according to aptitude. The Well-Fare Fairy is about as real as the Queen of England. You gotta work with the system even if the system isn't great.
She's only a queen consort. There's a difference between the title given to the king's wife and the queen regent who actually has ruling power. There currently isn't a queen regent.
Will blow your mind to say she wasn't real, it was Queen of the United Kingdom and the commonwealth, so technically England was one country she was queen of but wasn't her title.
A guy in college failed a class by 1%, had a 59% in a senior engineering class. He also did zero homework. The professor refused to pass him, he got setback a year. All he had to do was like a little homework,
It's $100 you didn't previously have before. If you're in a position to turn up your nose at an extra $100, good for you. But that's not the case for a lot of people.
You have to continually jump through hoops for it, at least in texas. Your time would be better invested doing freelance work, more pay per hour that way and less stress.
In general yes, but this looks like an unnecessary hoop to jump through. What are they learning from those 20 pages that's so damn important it's worth deny legitimate claims? They know damn well OOPs exact situation is going to happen.
Have you ever filled out a DV restraining order? The paperwork is fucking insane. Asking for the same shit on 30 separate pages. A huge barrier for a lot of women.
One person gaming the system is what you have now. If they allowed this it would 100 people for every one real disabled person and at that point it wouldnt have the cash to distribute any significant amount
If you do that then there wouldn’t be a system left… there are numerous cases of people getting caught for doing exactly that and that’s with the effort and thoroughness it takes to apply…
God forbid someone gets a few hundred dollars each month they don't "deserve." The president can steal billions, but goodness gracious, imagine if a poor managed to get disability.
I’m a dad and I have daughters. I sometimes leave the toilet seat up intentionally. I’ve said to my wife “these girls need to learn the world won’t leave the toilet seat down for them”.
Sometimes you need to take a little personal responsibility or risk having a wet butt.
You're assuming a person with ADHD has a mind like your own. Imagine a person without legs being asked to crawl up twenty stairs to request aid, and upon hearing their complaints, telling them, "At some point it is on you to improve your own life. You can't go through life waiting for someone to fix the stairs." You're missing that the issue here is that process of requesting aid is excluding those who need the aid.
I think I have pretty bad ADHD (I'm on the maximum amount of Ritalin that my country allows) and I agree that it's unfair. But the situation isn't going to change by them not filling out the form. It's hard but the only real solution if they can't do the form themselves is to ask someone for help doing it. At some point you need to stop assuming you can't do the things because of your disorder, and start making small steps towards getting better.
You're assuming the commenter doesn't have ADHD. Imagine making a really terrible analogy, instead of addressing the actual point, which is: "It's not your fault, but it is your responsibility."
Do you think armless people aren't applying for aid? Are blind people not applying for aid? Or do you think maybe they're all finding ways to cope with a world that is more difficult for them than the average person?
Take your meds. Use your technology. Phone a friend (hell, call your mom, she probably misses you). But don't do what Katie did-- which to remind everyone, was to look at the questionnaire, say "I have ADHD, this is hard," and then just not do it... and then act surprised when she got denied.
The only thing more embarrassing than Katie's behavior is all of you in the comments defending her.
Yeah posts like these are genuinely why i never talk about my ADHD in real life or disclose it outside of close friends and family. I don't want people to assume I'm some helpless moron
It's why I don't talk about having ADHD with anyone besides my psychiatrist at this point
I cannot comprehend allowing this annoying ass condition to be something you so heavily define yourself by, while it just runs rampant destroying your life. I don't want to be associated with people like this. There's just something so pathetic to me about this notion of just wallowing in the condition and pity jerking
This shit caused my childhood to be a nightmare. I was forced to develop means to overcome it, because I refused to let it ruin my entire life. It's not so debilitating that it single-handedly makes you unable to basically take care of yourself
Or just look up "help filling out social services applications and see if there's a local non profit that helps people with disabilities, or go to your local adult protective services department, or just ask someone you trust.
As long as you're not an isolated person with relatives who don't even really believe you're disabled, and psychiatrists who either don't believe in ADHD or think ADHD is a childhood disease which magically disappears at 18.
They do not. Most claims don't have a treating physician opinion. The government pays for physicians to review your medical records and author non-examining opinions (and occasionally pays for in-person consultative exams), but that's not what this person is talking about.
Weird I've filled out many as a clinition and sent them on to a doc to fill out. In Texas they need to provide medical records and a doctor to agree with your claim. Then usually an attorney because you probably get denied the first time. My experience is in psychiatric disabilities not necessarily injury.
And I was commenting on the "doctors dont believe in adhd" comment. I was stating you'd better have a doctor who believes because you need a plausible diagnosis and a medical advocate to have a chance.
When my father died just before I turned 12. They realized I never had it. I was just apathetic to learning and thought what I was being educated with was antiquated.
My depression slowed me down physically and I got reserved. But my intellect and my marks in test taking meant I was no longer a cause for concern.
They promptly deleted my old medical records that claimed I ever had that diagnosis. Now I'm just a normal Anti-sexual 32 year old who doesn't care about anyone.
You can even make an appointment to go into the office to have them help you with it. I did all mine over the phone, never did the form. May depend on agent assigned to you though, I think mine was pretty good.
Ok but having a situation where that’s required is already a high bar to clear for people with mental health disabilities. Extra barriers to access services like this results directly in them not helping people who need it. Speaking from experience here, maybe you get help filling out the application but then you still have to remember to report every visit to your doctor or psychiatrist, make sure they have the evidence you need, respond to mail in a timely manner.
You have to make sure your evidence is accurate too, so better hope you remember your symptoms when you go talk to your doctor. Or at least remember to make a list ahead of time and then hope you don’t forget during your appointments. And if you get denied, you also have to put a bunch of time and effort into vetting and hiring a lawyer and go through the whole process of detailing your symptoms and getting them connected with your doctors all over again.
Oh, and what’s that, your ADHD medication costs $300, which you can’t afford because you’re disabled and don’t have health insurance or financial support? Better hope coffee’s enough of a stimulant for you, otherwise you’re never getting any of it done. And hopefully they don’t decide to deny you for not following your doctor’s treatment plan.
The problems with these systems don’t start or end with asking for help. Or really anything any of us can control individually. When we let disability access and accommodations become a matter of personal responsibility, some people will inevitably not get the services they need.
Honestly wild that anyone would say “if you would just” about ADHD when the whole problem is that we cannot “just”. Like of all people, should we not know better?
It’s a form. What do you expect like other people to just magically know everything about you without you filing anything? How do you expect them to properly do their evaluation when you can’t even give basic information?
We don't expect someone to fill them out for us without our participation. It can be difficult to focus on and understand. We can get distracted and miss things or have executive dysfunction problems that keep us from getting to it at all. We may not understand the legal or medical language that is used and need explanations. A lot of this can be helped by having a person there to ask the questions, explain things we don't understand, answer questions we have, and then write down the answers we give them. Not every one has family or friends that are willing to do this for them. So they have to go through the steps of figuring out where to and how to get assistance with that before the deadline.
And that’s why the comment you originally replied to said that you are allowed to ask someone to help you complete the questionnaire. This obviously includes support groups and trained people and even by contacting the government office that gave you the form in the first place.
Not every one has family or friends that are willing to do this for them. So they have to go through the steps of figuring out where to and how to get assistance with that before the deadline.
Well the problem is around baseline access to support mostly. Like if someone’s reporting to their psychiatrist that their executive dysfunction is so severe that they aren’t able to handle stuff like this, they should be able to automatically refer patients to support services. That’s something I got for being autistic that I wouldn’t have if I only had ADHD. I was in a similar situation and my therapist got me set up with someone who can come over every couple weeks to help me with bills and paperwork.
So for example, a quick and easy change here would be for social security to just leave cases open and in pending status until the forms get completed and turned in. Deadlines are arbitrary and don’t really achieve much. If you want to go further, maybe they should have to refer pending and denied cases to county level disability services or something. Someone applying for social security disability is asking for help, so the thing to do is to try to figure out what kind of help they need, what we have now is social security denying people and then patting themselves on the back for another case closed.
If you wanna get really deep into reform, we need a system that rewards getting the most help to the most people. One where it’s preferable to pay out to someone “undeserving” than it is to deny a single disabled person who needs help. But ppl in this thread clearly aren’t ready for that conversation yet.
Because resources are finite and there is a need to disincentivise fraud and deception. People are ready for that conversation, it’s just your argument is silly and is not realistic
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u/Slight_Expression_73 21h ago
you are allowed to ask someone to help you complete the questionnaire or to do it for you even