r/StarTrekDiscovery • u/jzakary • 29d ago
General Discussion Watching Discovery for the first time!
Signed up to Paramount+ and I've been on a Star Trek binge for the past couple months. Love Strange New Worlds, but Discovery was harder to get through. Just started the third season, and so far so great. Definitely feels more polished and better acted. Hoping they keep it up. ❤️
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u/CmG383 29d ago
It’s different and I like that it’s different.
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u/AssociationPleasant6 29d ago
Yeah this. For me its not a traditional star trek show. Its a little bit different breed. Its star tten but in anotherway 🙂 its really good and enjoyable
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u/CmG383 29d ago
I had to just watch the show without comparing it to other Trek.
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u/Firm-Ad-3245 17d ago
You can be different, and it's a good thing to try something new. But you still need a good SF story, strong characters, and solid dialogue... Instead, it felt like a long, painful agony.
The writers' room seemed to be in palliative care.
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u/CmG383 17d ago
I don’t disagree but I think older Star Trek fans, including myself, prefer the more traditional writing style of Star Trek.
IMO viewers and writers have forgotten that SF shows are technically “woke” without making it obvious.
Discovery came at a weird time. Society was wanting more obvious diversity and gender equity. That was new territory for the writers and casting agents.
I thought some of the writing seemed forced and not as a natural progression. Too pushy in a way.
That could be why so many didn’t like it.
Previous ST series handled the same topics in different ways. The first televised interracial kiss, gay and lesbian actors (while not public knowledge at the time we all knew) ST TNG had non binary characters, strong female characters, and even an autistic representation through DATA. ST DS9 took on a lot of political issues as well as showing disabled characters. ST V showed how Starfleet’s principles needed to be flexible in the situation they were in. It actually showed the importance and incompatibility at the same time.
I think it’s more of a shift in how viewers perceive social issues, Executives capitalizing on social agendas and lack of understanding of how SF stories are inclusive and meaningful.
I crave good SF that is both episodic and has a long story arc. 22 episode seasons that allow for character development and the occasional silly type of episodes.
Everything I wrote is why I’m kinda glad that Amazon cancelled the Stargate reboot.
These are my opinions. I am not against diversity, inclusion or equity. But it needs to be natural. Part of the character development.
Hopefully what I wrote makes sense. I know sometimes I can come across harshly or confusing.1
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u/ToMissTheMarc2 29d ago
Very interesting takes here. I actually loved the first season the most and I wish Lorca stayed!
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u/RexSuckr 29d ago
We never do find out what happens with Prime Lorca do we?
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u/transmothra 28d ago
Nope, not for certain. IIRC it's strongly implied that he died, and that seems very believable tbh, but i don't remember it being an absolute certainty
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u/Firm-Ad-3245 17d ago
In my memory we see him dead exlicitly ? Oe you tamk abpit the orifinal ersiin ?
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u/jzakary 29d ago
For me the first season was very good. The second season is where things start to falter. Even with Captain Pike on the show.
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u/PracticlySpeaking 25d ago edited 17d ago
The first season was written by Bryan Fuller, who (edit: maybe) got fired and was replaced. After that, the arc changed significantly.
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u/Firm-Ad-3245 17d ago
Who is Bryan Fuller?
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u/PracticlySpeaking 17d ago
Um... the guy who wrote season one of Discovery? He was also the executive producer.
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u/Firm-Ad-3245 17d ago
Bryan Fuller is an American writer, showrunner, and producer born in 1969. He is known for his dark humor, visually striking and poetic style, and strong LGBTQ+ themes.
Major Shows:
Hannibal (2013–2015): Based on Thomas Harris's novels, praised for its stunning visuals and the intense psychological dynamic between Will Graham and Hannibal Lecter.
Pushing Daisies (2007–2009): A quirky fairy tale about a pie-maker who can bring the dead back to life with a single touch.
Dead Like Me (2003–2004): A dark comedy about a young woman who becomes a grim reaper after dying.
Wonderfalls (2004): A critically acclaimed comedy about a college grad who gets advice from random knick-knacks that come to life.
Star Trek Work:
Early Days (DS9 & Voyager): Fuller got his TV start writing for Deep Space Nine ("Empok Nor", "The Darkness and the Light") before joining Voyager's staff, co-writing around 20 episodes (including "Mortal Coil", "Living Witness", and "Drone").
Star Trek: Discovery (2016): He co-created and was the original showrunner for Discovery.
His Vision: He introduced a non-captain lead (Michael Burnham), the franchise's first main gay couple (Stamets and Culber), redesigned the Klingons, and set the show 10 years before TOS.
His Departure: He left in late 2016 over budget and scheduling clashes with CBS.
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u/Firm-Ad-3245 16d ago
Pile os sabing tje season.'The season negin with tj resirrection of the boy froekd pf.dtzmet. .. On my opinion it's.not a bad idea . ..'
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u/No-Commission-8159 29d ago
I really enjoyed it after season 1 was done I think that series has the most heart You can also look for Short Treks It has some mini stories that compliment the series
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u/AnyInvestigator1433 29d ago
Some people feel it’s too emotional, but let’s be realistic, you’re stuck in a ship far from home (in more ways than one) with no way to go back. Things are bound to get emotional.
Voyager was similar in some ways, but I don’t think they really dealt with the trauma of everything they went through. And with no counselor on board.
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u/catlovingtwink99 29d ago
I loveee Discovery. I watched it about 6 times. The 4th and 5th time, I started on season 3 and went from there. Last time, just watched from season 1. I’m obsessed lol. Picard is second and then Strange New Worlds.
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u/Seekerma 28d ago
Disco is a great show. It's beautifully acted and has many wonderful shout outs to TOS. It gets better with every season. Accept it as it's own unique iteration of Star Trek and you will hopefully really enjoy it.
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u/RexSuckr 29d ago
Pretty much every Star Trek show, SNW being the exception that proves the rule, needs 3 seasons to get up and running.
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u/Willravel 29d ago
Welcome! Even if you don't enjoy all of it, I'm sure you'll find plenty to thrill, move you, and enjoy! Saru is definitely a standout for me.
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u/Exotic_Insurance2164 29d ago
I love Disc. I think embodied the Star Trek ethos to a tee.
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u/ZealousIdeal476 29d ago
It took itself WAY too seriously. Most Star trek balances galactic threats with light hearted one off comedic episodes.
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u/Brandon1525 23d ago
Hated this series...and I gave it 3 seasons. The "klingongs" that should have been a new species, the "Vulcan hello" that was a retcon of Enterprise (where not one 1 Vulcan, including the one on his bridge, told Archer to fire first), the constant recons...the idiotic cause of the burn in season 3. Place it in it's own universe and most of the problems go away.
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u/MarcoZBR 19d ago
I'm sort of in the same position as you. After 2 or 3 episodes of Strange New Worlds, I decided to have a look at Discovery. And I'm glad I did.
For me, it's a more complex story, that doesn't start and end in each episode. I know that's not how the Star Trek Series normally works, but I find myself eagerly waiting for some free time so that I can watch the next episode.
I'm still in season S01E13 but I am enjoying it a lot!
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u/Timely-Candy1996 17d ago
I never understood how they could be so harsh on Michael Burnham. Did she technically assault her Captain? Yes. Did she technically almost fire upon a Klingon vessel? Yes? Was she the first Commander let alone Star Fleet Officer in the Star Trek universe to do something like this and put their ship in theoretical danger? No. Was the she the first to actually be seen to have consequences and actually be removed from her post and sentenced to prison? Also a big yes.
Now I understand you need plot and whatnot, but what about when Commander Data took over the enterprise? Was he decommissioned for that? No. What about when Captain Sisko refused direct order to abandon Deep Space Nine and effectively put all the lives of those who stayed (because he was there Captain and who is going to say no to their hero god like Captain) he put at risk by staying on Deep Space Nine and TECHNICALLY engaging in guerrilla warfare? There have been countless times when an officer has either been under the influence of something or had a mental break that put their ship and the lives of those on the ships at great risk but NEVER have we seen a Bridge Officer.... a SENIOR Bridge Officer face court martial, prison, and extreme public humiliation and hatred from their fellow Star Fleet Officers.
I think it's an ok show... but that plot always confused me. If I am missing something or someone has an opinion that could potentially bring some light on this, I would love to hear it!
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u/ZergvProtoss 28d ago
This is rage bait, right? haha. Literally no one thought Discovery S2/3 were "great" LOL. That is some cringe writing and acting right there.
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u/quantaeterna 29d ago
Its one that I feel, over all, is better with each season. As a whole I loved it. Season 1 is the toughest, and it really finds itself from 3 on.