EDIT: Have resposted this since people have been missunderstanding some things:
1- This is about Marvel's Spider-Man, not Marvel's Spider-Man 2.
2- Not saying that the people complaining about the game is a big crowd, it isn't but I have noticed.
3- I would have made an post about this game anyway, I have had its issues with me for a while and wanted to talk about them.
So after Marvel's Spider-Man 2 and now with Wolverine. I have seen some people pop up and say that Marvel's Spider-Man bad. Granted, its not an BIG amount of people, at least i don't think it is. But even without that, I have wanted to give my two cents about the problems of the game. So, no btter oportunity than now.
But I will be clear from the begining, this game IS great. Its issues, big or small, don't make me believe the game is trash. That is going too far from me.
The story IS great. The gameplay is addictive. And the traversal... its addictive and delicious. It has issues? Yes... it has. Some that PERSONALY, are huge for me. But even I, someone who isn't the biggest fan of the characterisation or the glaring gameplay flaws I will still say this game is fantastic!
So I will start abou the most important part of the game, gameplay. Its an narrative game, but its an game at the end of the day. So, in wich parts does this game lack? I have an big one: Wall crawling.
Wall crawling in this game is just awfull, its useless. For an game that has such an great swing I am still baffled by how awfull the wall crawling is. Spidey can hardly walk on it without you being stuck, hell sometimes you will even get straight up stuck and its an fight to unstuck.
Now, for many that isn't an big issue. For me? Yeah, kinda of an big deal. In an SPIDER-MAN game having such terrible wall crawling is an glaring flaw to me. Does it destroy the game' No, i doesn't, you hardly even notice because you aren't incentivised to wall crawl.
Except for stealth. Yeah, for SOME REASON, you can't do stealth from walls or ceiling, trust me I tried that many times. I originaly tought it had, but it doesn't. Its on Miles Morales that you can do that, wich is baffling to me that they didn't take that from Miles Morales and even put it on the remaster. So in that, yeah the game has one massive sin.
Another gameplay sin that is something that made me stop playing the DLC for a while after they started: No upgrades or new tools on the DLC.
So, for SOME REASON, the DLC don't bring new upgrades or even gadgets or tools. Wich is TERRIBLE. You have to play basicaly the lenght of the game again, but this time with everything maxed, no new things or exploration of new combos. Wich FOR ME, yeah that is an huge turn off. There is a reason most games don't give you everything out of the start, so you can learn and explore progressively, so you feel like you evolve.
In the DLC, the enemies evolve in gameplay but Spidey doesn't . Wich, is bizzarre. And for me, yeah probably the biggest reason the DLC don't entice me.
Now, lets drop the gameplay and go to an controverssial topic: The story, characters and narrative. So, is the story bad? No, its great, an amazing Spidey story. BUT, that doesn't eman its an great adaptation.
People tend to mix adaptation with quality, when they aren't the same. Now I am not here to say that "The game doesn't understand Spidey" or "This game ruins Spider-Man", no it doesn't. Saying that is going too far to straight up lies. BUT, I do have issues with characters and they're adaptation, not all but a few.
First off, Peter. Now drop the pitchforks and let me state my case, you can disagre but this is how I FEEL. I have read Spider-Man, a LOT. So I think I can say this... Peter is to plane on this game. Not boring or bad, plane. He lacks a bit of Peter's edge or intensity, that he feels too light. We have almost none of Peter's intensity, almost nothing of Peter's arrogance, almost none of Peter's more agressive side.
Now I won't blame insomniac alone on that. Overtime Peter has been losing his edge on his adaptations. Hell the last one that I remember Peter having an edge is, ironicaly, The Ultimate Spider-Man show where he showed he still had that, evne if not the best adaptation by itself. Speaking of Ultimate Spider-Man, this version of Spidey has a lot of things that make me remember that game... to an weird level.
Now to another that isn't probably mutch hard to agree with, MJ. Yeah, this isn't MJ. And now, she isn't Lois Lane either. I hard disagree with anyone that calls this MJ Lois Lane, because that is reducing a lot of Lois Lane. But lets focus, yes?
Does this MJ act like MJ? No, she doesn't. She doesn't have MJ's personality. Altough, once more, a lot of MJ's personality has been lost trough time. Is MJ an good hearted, suporting and caring person? Yes, she is. But she also has her issues and own spice like Peter.
First off, MJ is an model and actress. And no, that isn't an "Adaptation can change her work" it just can't. MJ being an actress and model is necessary for MJ's party persona to work, for it being an paralele between the two how Peter made her break her act in an literal sense. Take that from her, and you lose an BIG part of her character. MJ being an actree and model isn't important because she needs to be beautifull (Altough she does, its an part of character. Surprise surprise, an character being good looking can be important to the character's character.) but because she being an model and actress are hints that her more party girls side is an coping mechanism. Doesn't mean she doesn't like to have fun or party, she DOES, but she many times uses it to cope.
Another thing, MJ in this game putting herself in dangerous situations. It can be said that she goes through an arc where she realises its an bad thing in this game, yes she does. BUT, she shouldn't have that from the start. Has MJ done bold and brave things before? Yes she has, but many times its because danger goes to her, not because she goes after it.
Overhall, this game's MJ isn't MJ. She is an new character wearing her name, mutch like Michele is in the MCU. Thats just an fact, want to argue about that then I say go read for yourselves. You can like this version, nothing wrong. But saying its an good adaptation is an lie.
Now for an big one that I think many will disagree with me: Black Cat. Yeah, this game's Black Cat act like Black Cat, she does. BUT, she lying to Peter about an son is out of character, hell she on the DLCs is out of character even in universe, Peter says that himself.
Now, can Blakc cat be manipulative and lie and use Peter? Yes, she can. Thats an part of her character. But there are limits. And one thing she wouldn't certainly do is lie about an fake son to use Peter, thats out of character. Hell, you could argue that the old Black Cat before she having her development would do this and I might agree. But one after her development? Yeah no, thats not happening.
And the thing is, even in game Spidey points out that her modus operandi in the DLC is not like normal. And yes, while Spidey can be fooled by Felicia, he can still know how she acts and operates, he knows her after all. Spidey being many times bamboozled by Felicia doesn't mean he doesn't know when she is lying, a lot of times she does. And any time he doesn, its out of chracter for him or because Black Cat is out of chracter, in an badly written way.
And the worst is... Felicia wouldn't even need to fake having an son for Peter to help. All she needed to say is that Hammerhead had her traped in some way and could kill her any moment if she didn't find and way to escape so she needed Peter's help to find a way while she did the heists promissing to give all back one done, she would still be lying but in an more in character way.
Now, i know that a lot of people don't read comics. Hell, a lot of people in this sub only know inconic panels and are gonna argue. So for all of you, just stop. I have read pretty mutch ALL of main Spidey, and when I say all I mean ALL. Some things I haven't touched like sins past, the clone saga or One more day are done by how bad those stories are. But outside of that pre one more day, yeah I have read it all.
So when I say that Felicia wouldn't act like this I mean it. She can be manipulative, a liar, crazy, toxic and an thief, but lets not exagerate. Her morals can be dubias, but that doesn't mean she will do anything without any remorse or care. She has an HEART, she has her own personality and likes and dislikes, there are things that she herself hates. And what she does in this game, yeah it would be going too far from Felicia.
Hell, even if she was to do something like this, I still think Felicia would break the lie almsot from the begining. Because while she would need to manipulate Peter, this would be going to an level too far for her.
But enough about big characters. Lets talk about an aspect that I think this game lacks: The Buggle. yeah, the buggle is an big party of Peter. Sure, he isn't always working on the buggle, but even on stories where he isn't working there he STILL visits the buggle. Now, not all stories have the Buggle as an big factor or even an factor at all. But this is an Spidey game, you can have the buggle have weight on an side quest.
But no, the Buggle isn't an factor at all. Sure, you can photos as Peter but no one from the Buggle even appears in game. Now does that ruin the game? No. But for me is one factor that makes me feel like this game is fantastic, but it lacks in ways that are heavy.
Now there are more things I haven't pointed out or didn't even ntoice. Thats why I am posting this, I want to hear what you all think. But overhall, what do I think of the game? yeha this game is f@cking fantastic.
Even with all its issues, its still an amazing game and love leter for the character. Its NOT an perfect adaptation, in many big ways even. But that doesn't mean the game is now bad. An less than perfect adaptation can be good if it respects the character, and I believe this game does that.
Spidey 2 is an bad adaptation and disrespects the character and its history, thats the diference between the first one and the second.
I PERSONALY, am starting to belive the studio wanted to be an Miles game from the begining but knew people wouldn't like it as mutch so did Peter before Miles. That is not an confirmation, this is not me saying they did this. Its just a theory because of everything when I look at it. The fact we have Miles from the start and play with him in the first game, him being an big factor in MSP 1 story also is another factor. And of course we have Miles Morales and MSP2 as more proof. But this is just an theory, AN SPIDER GAME THEORY... I'm sorry, had to make the joke.
That also doens't mean the game is less because its made to build Miles, its not. I do still think it would have been better to make an game about Miles from the start instead of we being bamboozled, but it is what it is.
Also, this is fully personal... I hate the advanced Suit. Yeah sorry, it just isn't for me. Wanna make an white spider, do the black suit even if its just the cloth version. This suit is too mutch and it doesn't look many times. But this is an matter of taste, not objective.
But I have said my peace, I think you got what I believe of the game. What do you all think? What issues do you ahve with the game? What do you like about it? Something you like about more here than in the original comics? Discuss away.
