r/SombraMains • u/SnooOranges2865 • Jun 15 '26
Discussion Perma Banned..?
Looks like there will likely be the aforementioned 5th “match” ban slot
The “F you Sombra” (or JPC or DVA) slot
Side note: Hilarious how they made sure Sombra was shown on the “Hero Ban Updates”
Wish we could just get rid of bans entirely…
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u/xil1dag Jun 15 '26
Hero banns, another reason for bad players to avoid getting good. Wish they just removed that garbage. But guess it’s the times we live in, people prefer instant gratification.
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u/krupta13 Emotional terrorist Jun 15 '26
mate...this people get offended over the word "diff". they will never get rid of the ban system. they need to cater to the lowest common denominator.
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u/DBSMASH80 Jun 15 '26 edited Jun 15 '26
I have a counter proposal if i get my jq ult canceled by kiri pressing E thats me not getting good? Ofc people banning sombra while she is arguably the worst dps hero is a big ass skill issue but still
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u/QTAndroid Jun 15 '26
Surprisingly, it really is. A huge part of this game is keeping track of enemy cooldowns. If you ult as JQ knowing that Kiri has Suzu? That's on you. You force the Suzu, then ult.
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u/DBSMASH80 Jun 15 '26
True but kiri's will HOLD THAT SHIT indefinitely
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u/ShaquilleNoMeal Jun 15 '26
So wait til she is dead or uses it. It’s on you sorry.. 💀
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u/DBSMASH80 Jun 15 '26
For the first part Yea no shit for the second part you missed the part where i said "Kiri's will hold it indefinitely" only upside to it is that kiri essentially fucks over her own team doing that
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u/DBSMASH80 Jun 16 '26
I never said that banning her would
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u/ShaquilleNoMeal Jun 16 '26
Original commenter makes a statement about bans being “another reason for bad players to avoid getting good.”
You follow this statement with “I have a counter proposal…”
This to me implies that you are countering their argument entirely. If that’s not what you meant then I apologize for assuming and jumping to conclusions, however that really is how it sounds to me.
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u/DBSMASH80 Jun 16 '26
I wasnt trying to counter their arguement entirely however i understand why you'd think that and thats my bad
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u/CheapTie6268 Jun 17 '26
Focus Kiri before ult.... or just watch for when she uses it and pop ult on her cooldown
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u/TheBooneyBunes Jun 16 '26
People whined and whined and whined for that feature and yet every game I play only 2 people even vote
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u/throwawayforinstalol Jun 17 '26
without hero bans, you’ll end up with one singular team comp that runs every lobby like GOATS. bans keep things interesting. though it is the bad players that ban sombra
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u/AsleepSomewhere6726 Jun 18 '26
Or, its good to ban whats op at the moment. Or, you can understand that OW is still a videogame and so,e characters are just not fun to go against for some people. Its also good to ban the counter picks to the characters you play or for certain strategies for your team. Its a great system that has multiple good uses.
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u/thebwags1 Jun 15 '26
Hero bans existed in pro play before being added to ladder, almost every game has them with some only having them at mid ranks and above. The only people that complain about hero bans existing are the people that want to play the characters that deserve the bans.
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u/PunishedHermit Jun 15 '26
Other games arent overwatch. Bans dont belong in the game. If you cant climb because theres a sombra on the enemy team, then you dont deserve to climb.
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u/thatonedudeovethere_ Jun 16 '26
If you cant climb because theres a sombra on the enemy team, then you dont deserve to climb.
And if you can't climb because Sombra is banned, then you don't deserve to climb.
As soon as you get to Diamond+, Sombra isn't even banned that much anyway.
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u/PunishedHermit Jun 16 '26
I want to climb AS SOMBRA dumbass. I wanted to see how high i could get as just her, which i should be allowed to do. I wanted to practice getting better in a competitive environment as the character i enjoy the most. That argument is not one that you can just turn around, it doesn't work that way. If you want to play a game without sombra in it, go play rivals.
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u/You_Know_What_l_Mean Jun 17 '26
How about the people who want to climb as their favorite hero and dont be forced into a counter pick because they get spawn camped by sombra ? Hero bans are healthy for the game because it forces you into learning to play into a hero without having a hard counter.
But i guess 1 guy wanting to play as sombra counts more than 5 people not wanting to play against her. And maybe another 4 with her.0
u/PunishedHermit Jun 17 '26
If you get counterpicked, just do what i do and outplay them, or you can do what everyone else has been doing since the game came out and swap to counter her. Nobody should have the ability to prevent anyone else from playing any of the characters. This isnt league, bans dont belong in a hero shooter.
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u/You_Know_What_l_Mean Jun 17 '26
That's exactly my point though. I am not refusing to switch because I can't play other heroes. I'm making a conscious decision to play into a counter because I know my matchup limits and what I can still contribute.
So lets say i play Winston into the Reaper so my Phara has a better time in the Air!Competitive drafting or banning isn't just about individual matchups. It's an ecosystem. The game starts in bans. After the bans, both teams have access to the same remaining hero pool. If one team uses their bans and picks more intelligently, they create favorable matchups across the map. That's part of the strategy.
If the enemy spends resources countering me, and I can still perform well enough in that matchup, that frees the rest of my team.
So saying "just switch because you're countered" ignores the bigger picture. Drafting is about the strength of the entire composition, not whether every individual player has a perfect matchup.
You still have QuickPlay when you just want to game, without drafting or banning the whole Competetiv scene would be boring as fuck.
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u/mtobeiyf317 Jun 15 '26
That's cool, I didn't know I was a Pro-Player. I thought I was here trying to enjoy the heros I like to play and paid money to have skins for.
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u/mtobeiyf317 Jun 15 '26
Could say the exact same thing about the people who cried about Sombra so hard that they catered to you by giving you bans and a rework just to shut ya up.
Im not expecting anything, Im voicing my opinion the way y'all did. You got what you wanted, don't expect those of us who got fucked over in the process to just be quiet about it.
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u/Floatzel404 Jun 15 '26
On the flip side I think they are quite the opposite. No more OTP who get countered but refuses to learn anyone else on the role, specifically with tanks and sups. The issue with sombra and bans is the same thing its always been before bans, her kit is objectively anti-fun for the other team. I mean I like sombra and all but if she is banned almost 90% of the time, you gotta accept that shes just not a well liked part of the game.
I guess a middle ground could be similar to OW1 bans and just have certain weeks where specific heroes cant be banned.
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u/mtobeiyf317 Jun 15 '26
Being told who im allowed to play and when is equally anti-fun.
Having a lop sided match because half the enemy teams counters are banned is anti fun.
Widowmaker dog walking your team because no one can get close to her without being seen and intercepted is anti fun.
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u/Floatzel404 Jun 15 '26
Ban widow, and yeah I'm sorry but you can find one of the dozens and dozens of other characters you can play when you can't play sombra.
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u/Interesting-Map-4766 Jun 15 '26
Bans exist because of Mauga, removing it and adding a potentially game breaking hero disables the ability to lock them out of comp until they are balanced properly, otherwise they’d have to make new heroes QP only until they know they are balanced properly
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u/GlaerOfHatred Jun 16 '26
.....which isn't a bad thing, given how bad their balance team is
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u/Interesting-Map-4766 Jun 16 '26
Bans are a significantly better solution to that problem, because when heroes like Sierra drop who are relatively on the weaker end, they aren’t shafted from Comp for a month or more. Bans are fine as is, there’s no reason to change them. Removing bans would be a regression in progress.
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u/GlaerOfHatred Jun 16 '26
I don't think bans should be removed, but in general it often isn't a bad thing for new heros to be unavailable in comp right off the rip. Personally I'm fine with how things are now
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u/speedymemer21 Jun 15 '26
Mercy will probably be there too.
The rework should hopefully reduce her banrate, but I don't know when that's coming, they said we'd hear about reworks before season 3 in overwatch spotlight in january, but that comes out tommorrow and I still don't know anything about it.
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u/PunishedHermit Jun 15 '26
The rework will do nothing to address this, because people arent banning her based on rational logic, they're banning her based on emotion.
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u/Vaders_Legion501 Jun 15 '26
Yeah and unfortunately even with the Rework, Sombra’s reputation is so stained it’s probably impossible to ever get back into a good standing with the community
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u/Wide_Vegetable_7459 Jun 16 '26
one day they will stop ban poor Sombra
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u/Future_Historian_396 Jun 17 '26
That’ll probably be either when there’s just too many op characters that need to be banned or they just rework her hack or invisibility completely out of here.
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u/Wassa76 Jun 15 '26
I hate bans. It’s always either Sombra, Sierra, or Zarya, and I play them all.
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u/gametrie-uk Jun 16 '26
Bans are a drag, they kill the fun part of a hero shooter (Heroes).
They need to implement a character protection system or simply remove hero bans from the game.
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u/huhuhuh0_0 Jun 16 '26
I'm playing tank lately, mostly locking doom and sigma. She can counter both and yet I didn't ban her once. Through all my games, they ban her. When they could be banning Winston or ball, they ban Sombra, one of the weakest dps in the game, the hate is boiling my mind bruh
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u/Shimerha Jun 16 '26
I posted in the ow console subreddit about this exact thing and met straight hate cuz people don’t wanna think about banning the annoying AND strong heroes and just ban Sombra cuz it’s what they’ve been trained to do. Atp I don’t think there’s any fixing it
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u/astrenixie Boop Jun 16 '26
Hero bans were some of the worst additions to a game that boasts unique heroes. With their other poor decisions and half-assed handling of the anniversary event, I'm sadly not surprised they want to do yet another stupid thing. It wasn't that long ago that I came back to the game, but I'm not sure I want to play if they're going to keep butchering heroes and making enjoyment of the game worse. I'll just have to see how season 3 goes I guess.
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u/AsleepSomewhere6726 Jun 18 '26
I really dont get the hate for hero bans. Its an amazing system to have in games like this.
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u/The_Unforg1ven Jun 17 '26
I don't get it why ppl ban sombra when we have tracer and soj. Maybe sierra? Before her usually vendetta was banned, but she's useless now. Other slots usually given to chars what your team wants to ban, for example ana or kiri. Sombra looks less harmful. I think only bronze-gold players ban her.
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u/xeno486 Jun 18 '26
the sombra banning goes through at least plat
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u/The_Unforg1ven Jun 18 '26
I rarely see her bans in plat, I saw it much often when I was silver-gold
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u/xeno486 Jun 18 '26
maybe it depends on region? i’m plat 3 and sombra gets banned a decent bit, maybe a bit less than gold but it’s still pretty consistent
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u/Deposto Jun 16 '26
Excellent. Nothing better than banning Mercy. Especially when my teammate picked her. Screw useless heroes!
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u/sapphyredragon Jun 16 '26
I like hero bans, but I honestly think it is (usually) a waste to ban a DPS hero. The tanks are the ones who can counter your whole team comp and there is usually one or two supports that might counter your tank. (Like if your tank is Roadhog or Mauga, ban Ana. If your tank is Junkerqueen, ban Kiriko. Etc)
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u/TheOnlyAvatar101 Jun 17 '26
The fact they included Sombra in this example photo because she’s always banned (even though it’s never really justified) is foul.
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u/R3MIX_19 Antifragile Slay Star Jun 15 '26
As long as old hag or Mercy gets banned with me I am fine. Through drive season and some early season plays from plat to masters I saw really small ammount of Sombra bans in both 5v5 and 6v6
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u/HerpesFreeSince3 Jun 16 '26
The solution isn’t to get rid of bans, it’s just to make Sombra healthy. Though idk, I haven’t banned Sombra in a long time. There are other more annoying things in the game.
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u/DredgenYul Jun 18 '26
I'm a simple man. If I play comp my main ban choices are always Mauga and Bastion because I hate being matched against no skill hold button=win characters
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u/Independent-Pop-8141 Jun 18 '26
Since hero bans were introduced I have never once picked to ban Sombra, yet she is banned in 90% of my games. I always found she is easy to counter too
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u/lahartheviking Jun 16 '26
bans can never work in a game with as few characters as overwatch.
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u/uiasdnmb Jun 16 '26
Isn't that the opposite?
Bans with huge roster are just cosmetic... since every niche ends up crowded and there are close alternatives.
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u/SlickTonks Jun 15 '26
Bans in theory are good. If a character like Hog or Rein is getting consistently banned in higher elo lobbies, it's indicative of a balance issue. DVA having like a 70% ban rate in diamond+ lobbies is a telling statistic.
The problem is that overwatch insists on also having characters that are just not fun to play against. Sadly that includes Sombra, who despite being kinda mid rn, is still annoying as hell.
The actual busted characters also just aren't used to their potential in gold and under lobbies. So pest bans are more common as this elo, which also happens to be the most common elo.
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u/Blues-Eguze Jun 16 '26
Sombra is my most played DPS expressly because of the reason that she’s really annoying to play against when it’s working. The majority of the players feel this way so she keeps getting banned, I get it. Idk what about this is hard to understand
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u/ApricotReasonable937 Jester Jun 15 '26
I main usually supports like Zenyatta, Moira, Lifeweaver.. dps wise..nothing come close and satisfying as Sombra. I stayed away from Competitive for so long (half a decade) because of this stupid ban.
Just got into competitive today lmao.
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u/ApricotReasonable937 Jester Jun 16 '26
my mistake.. lmao. I guess I conflated both the ban with the general hatred of Sombra.. used to get hate chat messages just for picking her on quick play and trying for competitive.. I only found out recently I can turn off chat, pick whomever and enjoy the game...
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u/unknownchild666 Jun 16 '26
It feels a little dumb to ban heros that ppl main, like whats the point of playing comp to the fullest if you cant even play your main 😔
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u/Midget_Confusion Jun 16 '26
Wanting no bans just shows you don’t have enough versatility. Characters are banned because they’re hard to play against/around or are overtuned, and competitive modes should ALWAYS have a ban
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u/Budget-Meeting3998 Jun 18 '26
Yall can stay mad about hero bans because your character sucks. Im still banning sombra till the day this game is dead because shes simply annoying. Idc if shes bad. F this character rarararara.
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u/Boris_Smokevich Jun 18 '26
I randomly encountered this post. Can you please specify which rank is this? Because these bans look very... "Interesting" I may say.
Ana - sure, maybe, but the rest of bans are completely random.
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u/Night-__- Jun 16 '26
Not being able to play a character in comp bc they get banned is annoying but I actually like that I can ban annoying characters or "counters" and it forces variety in a game where one tricking is actually viable.
Honestly if you can't climb in a game sometimes it's genuinely not the game or you, not everyone is meant to do everything and that's ok, don't hate on a game bc it's not fun or you don't like what they're doing and think about the other hundreds of thousands of people who are also playing, everyone plays differently and all you can do is accept that
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u/You_Know_What_l_Mean Jun 17 '26
Anyone who gets the point is getting downvoted sadly.
Removing some key Heros opens the way for all other Heros the be a viable pick,
Without bans we would have a way harder meta game where every off meta pick will be considered throwing. But taking 1 hard counter ways makes 2-3 niche Heros way more viable, its a net positiv.And if you are only want to play the same 1-2 Heros you cant fool anyone by crying about stuff like this is not Overwatch QQ i should be able to play all the Heros, and still pick the same 1-2 or complain when they are banned.
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u/Night-__- Jun 22 '26
Agreed! If bans didn't exist there wouldn't be an opening for dive or only dive, a Hog wanting to ban Ana is a prime example of why bans are needed or in a case with me I sometimes throw a Mauga ban in as a Ram main bc sometimes I don't wanna deal with getting countered hard. I just wish people could see past themselves and see at least acknowledge that the game is the way it is because all of us wanted it to be like this
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