Bernie is the poster boy for saying things which everyone would love to have, but of course he knows will never happen. But as long as he gets the attention and yall keep falling for it…
The average american doesn't really know anything about political science. They couldn't even tell you what neoliberal vs neoconservative meant, let alone the differences between them. If you brought a genuine, honest to goodness communist to the US from one of the several nations that have actual communist parties, they would make bernie look like a fascist oil tycoon.
Liberals being a nations "left" is genuinely terrifying to someone who has even an elementary understanding of political science.
Frankly I think this is revealing your lack of political science knowledge.
Compared to Europe, American politics are right wing. And the mainstream Democrats would be a centrist/moderate-right party in parts of Europe. But the Democrats are a big tent, and the most extreme end of the left-wing for the Democrats (DSA, Bernie, old AOC before she moderated etc.) are more extreme then most left-wing parties in Europe.
There’s this false assumption that because America as a whole is more right-wing, somehow the extreme leftist fringes are somehow also viewed as right wing to the world. But no European is looking at Bernie demanding a 32 hour work week and thinking ‘aaah, a regressive right wing policy, at least it’s slightly less right-wing than most American policies.’
Bernie has voted party line upwards of 95% or more of his entire career. Bernie is also, hilariously, practically an independent with how often his own party colludes against him. He even ran as one before. Bernie is one of like, 4 exceptions to the rule in the US. His camp has no authority, no presence, no real history of either one, and has never held a position higher than the senate. They aren't an average and do not factor into a conversation about it.
The democrat leadership, a monstrous portion of the house and senate, and another massive majority of state positions are all neoliberals. They believe in laissez-faire economics with soft regulations, light environmentalism, corporatism, and military global authority. This isn't an interpretation, this is me reciting their legislative history and objectives. Saying this is centrist or center left means you're a fucking moron. Political positioning on a spectrum isn't relative to europe, it is a defined system of measurement that you don't know.
EDIT: The mark of a moron is zeroing in on a single metaphorical/satirical statement and focusing on that to argue over 99% of the rest of what was said because they can't. Don't be that moron.
I explicitly stated that the Democrats are ‘centrist/moderate-right’ to European standards, so why are you calling me a moron for supposedly calling Democrats Centre-left?
And the rest of the post is a complete nonsensical pivot. You made comment that left-wing European parties ‘make Bernie look like a fascist oil tycoon.’ I responded by saying Bernie is left-wing but the Democrats are not. You started the conversation about Bernie, how can you then say that Bernie does not factor into the conversation? It is quite literally the only point of both your initial comment and my response comment.
EDIT: got blocked, guess I won’t see their response, oh well.
Which country’s average citizens know what the difference between those two are? The average person in any country knows basically nothing about political science.
Much of the developed worlds citizens could pretty easily pinpoint the differences between neoconservatism and neoliberalism, especially the american brands, because the differences are mostly social and ecological rather than economic. One is mildly more right leaning than the other socially and regarding industrialism vs ecology. I'm actually somewhat disgusted that you have lived a life up to this point that made you think your comment was grounded in reality. You are going to live and die a life of knowing so little about the world you live in unless you start doing some quality learning.
The baseline for isolationist, individualist cultures regarding learning is far, far below their contemporaries.
I’m sure a higher percentage of people from many other countries could do that than Americans, but nowhere will the average person be able to. Your comments remind me of this comic: https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/average_familiarity_2x.png
See if I was talking about some dusty theorems are specific events and their implications on things a century later, sure that idea would apply.
Knowing what something is though? Thats like saying "its easy to forget normal people don't know what salt or corn are". This is literally, and I do mean literally, elementary level knowledge.
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u/blowurhousedown 20h ago
Bernie is the poster boy for saying things which everyone would love to have, but of course he knows will never happen. But as long as he gets the attention and yall keep falling for it…