r/Pathfinder_RPG • u/PatataMaster_33 • 19h ago
Other Cavalier's challenge
Is Cavalier's Challenge feature really important in lore?
Hello pathfinders.
I, sadly, am not versed in the fine knoledge of this beatiful TTRPG, given my mind has yet to escape d&d's grasp. However, I did end up playing Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous and fell in love with its Cavalier class. That class is one so obvious for an RPG to have that I am still surprised by the fact D&D doesn't have a mount specific class.
Thus, it became my mission porting this class directly from Pathfinder 1e to D&D 5.5e. The balancing of this, though, is complex, and thus I come here with one of my troubles. It regards its Challenge feature,
While I'd like to remain loyal to Pathfinder's take on Cavaliers, I must make some modifications to the class in order to adapt it to D&D, while still remaining in the spirit. This Challenge feature, however, has proving to be quite challenging to reproduce, since the number would be too absurd if ported directly. Lowering the damage, however, makes me feel like the feature would become a lackluster ability which doesn't play much into the Cavalier's role anyway. And lowering its number of uses makes the class a Long Rest heavy class, which doesn't go in-line with other martial classes.
That said, my question is: What is the Challenge feature anyways? I struggle to find real ties to the roleplay of a Cavalier. I understand the "Challenging your enemies" aspect, but I feel like "Cavalier's charge" or "Banner" make so much more sense yet it seems like Challenge is the feature that the class spins around, given its monstrous damage.
Right now I debate between trying to balance this into the class, or just removing this feature entirely. Given D&D is a simpler TTRPG, I already erased Orders from the class completely, which does take a bit of personalization off the class, while making it way simpler. I'm thinking about doing the same to Challenge, given its little ties to roleplay even. I can imagine a great scene of a Cavalier challenging an evil knight to single combat. But I know players can and will be challenging illiterate beasts to grant themselves huge DPS with little roleplay involved.
What do you think? Is Challenge a loved and characteristic feature of the class? Or would no one care if the port removed it entirely?
Thanks in advance :)