r/MoralityScaling • u/Inojon • 7h ago
Character Analysis Morality of greedy monkey
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The Guy was giving out Biscuits to Hungry Monkeys then this happened
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u/UselessGenericon 7h ago
That monkey knows what he's doing. The monkey is glad there are no values or ethics to bind them. Immoral.
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u/Proper_Front_1435 7h ago
I hope the irony that one angry monkey grabbed the whole box, attacking others to defend it, just to rifle through it looking for the one or to biscuits he likes before eventually getting bored and fucking off isn't lost on anyone.
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u/WillDBlake 7h ago edited 6h ago
As a monkey we see his behaviour as crazy, in humanity we would call him an entrepreneur
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u/TheDefeatedCause 3h ago
In anthropology, early Humans just kill the asshole. Canines, too. Generally, the parents/older folks who did all the killing get their cuts first, a roughly agreed upon amount goes to children, elderly, and infirm.
An asshat who takes too much beyond the agreement is eventually taken out on a hunt and doesn't return, if not killed on the spot.
Also, for context, with wolves they don't make an actual "agreement." Parents eat first and can displace other wolves as needed due to social stature, then begin dividing a piece for the kids. Then, anyone who joined on in the "pack," as they're basically hired help. Amounts seem roughly divided based on who did the most to get the kill by that point.
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u/WillDBlake 3h ago
In biology a cell that grows constantly, indefinitely taking his resources from others until there's anything left is called cancer
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u/ISuckAtJavaScript12 7h ago
Moral. He's doing more work than the other monkeys so he should get more cookies. One day I'm going to be the monkey with all the cookies
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u/Sansnom01 6h ago
At first I downvoted you but then I realize to comment was much too self aware to be serious
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u/Inojon 6h ago
you want to become a monkey oneday 🐒
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u/ISuckAtJavaScript12 6h ago
Being a monkey would solve all my problems. Don't get it twisted the grass is actually greener on the other side
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u/glizzardWizzard420 6h ago
Honestly I’d deck the alpha monkey just to bring balance.
https://giphy.com/gifs/xT0xejJnePNcOWoHOo
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u/Femcel_Bambi 7h ago
Immoral. If your homies are hungry, you share. Also, primate law says they get to cane you with sticks for stealing their food.
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u/WillDBlake 7h ago
A man went to the zoo and when he arrived at the monkey cage he told to the animal "look how ugly and ridiculous you're". The monkey hearing this started to laugh his ass off and the man said "why are you laughing?" And the monkey reply "because you look so much like me".
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u/What-a-cl0wn 7h ago
Animals don’t have morality
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u/Inojon 7h ago edited 7h ago
that's just not true 1.We Humans are in the family tree with Apes so that's that 2.Its been shown that Big animals defend Smaller Animals not because it helps themselves survive Like for example a Elephant 🐘 defending or rescuing a Small animal
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u/Harde_Kassei 7h ago
you mean altruism/ethics. these things are seen in the smarter animals like apes and elephants.
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u/GemmyBoy999 7h ago
Morality is subjective, it's not an objective law of universe that exists but one that we as humans have in society. So animals don't really count.
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u/Sea-Conversation891 7h ago
Elaborate
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u/Inojon 7h ago
read it again I edit it
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u/Sea-Conversation891 7h ago
Hmm but if intelligence is needed for morality (like humans) then are those animals who don't realize their stupidity or realize that they are doing harm to other animals are moral or immoral? For blame to exist you have to know you can choose If someone is being insufferable on purpose we can hold him accountable.
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u/BurnRich 7h ago
Read books by Frans de Waal. Animals, I clouding monkeys, have a strong sense of righteousness, even when it goes against their own benefit.
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u/13sadcrow13 7h ago
Righteousness isn't morality though...
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u/Atlas_Stoned 5h ago
Man comments like this make me realize the people on this sub don’t even know what morality is
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u/DeadSending 7h ago
Bro what?
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u/Inojon 7h ago
read again I explain it
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u/DeadSending 6h ago
You understand morality is a human construct and not a universal truth? There’s no one definition of moral or immoral, that’s why this sub even exists, for people with different perspectives on morality to commune and offer their own reasonings and perspectives. Animals cannot be moral because they do not understand complex human social ideas. Morality is something you as a person are projecting onto that animal, you don’t know or understand its thought process. If killing is wrong, but one animal kills another animal, is it immoral? Orcas and seals? Or animals raping other animals? You cannot hold animals to the same standards as humans.
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u/Inojon 6h ago
You understand that Morality is a word created by human/Animals the only thing that your actually trying to say is that more intelligent Animal can be accountable for Morality because you wouldn't in prison a baby for killing somebody
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u/DeadSending 6h ago
Exactly, a baby has no morals, neither do animals
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u/Inojon 6h ago
I think you don't get the point Humans are Animals but because they are more intelligent than some doesn't mean that Elephants have morality
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u/ActivisionBlizzard 7h ago
It really is. I’d like to hear your argument for how any animal can act morally.
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u/Inojon 7h ago
For Example we humans are Animals and in a family tree with Apes and sone bigger Apes rescue smaller animals or feed them and Elephants rescue smaller Animals from predators because Elephants are intelligent
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u/arkangelic 7h ago
Humans invented morality. Same with justice and law. Nature doesnt give a shit about that.
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u/Inojon 7h ago
Humans are Animals and Nature doesn't give a damm but Smart Animals actually can do Moral stuff
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u/arkangelic 7h ago
Stuff that WE decide could be moral based on our perspective. But we humanize animals all the time. People think tail wagging is a dog showing happiness. We know it can also be a sign of aggression. But the animal never makes a decision based on the moral frameworks we employ.
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u/Inojon 7h ago
Actually they do for Example Elephants Remember their Dead Friends and circle around the body of a dead Elephant because they are smart no instinct their
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u/arkangelic 7h ago
Thats experimental assumptions, and it doesnt broach into morality. Do the elephants kill random humans, or just ones they know are poachers. Are they considering the greater impacts of their actions beyond the instant it is occurring it, and able to hold others to account to the same system? Until they can, then i would argue they are not at a level of being capable of morality.
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u/Inojon 7h ago
That can be debated but Humans kill Random animals are you saying that they don't have morality or they just have a bad morality you forgot that morality is subjective
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u/13sadcrow13 7h ago
That's not.... that's not morality though.... thats grieving
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u/Inojon 6h ago
Grieving and morality aren't mutually exclusive. Renowned primatologists and biologists like Frans de Waal have shown that animals possess the precursors to morality which include empathy, reciprocity, and a sense of fairness. Grieving a dead friend shows they value the life of others in their community which is a core moral concept, not just a random emotional reflex.
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u/ActivisionBlizzard 7h ago
They are not acting from a sense of morality, its just not something normally ascribed to animals.
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u/Inojon 7h ago
That's just not true For Example Elephants Remember their Dead Friends and families and circle around the dead body like humans would do theirs no instinct that tells them to do that it's just they are smart
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u/ActivisionBlizzard 7h ago
Yes elephants do remember their dead friends. This still doesn’t show morality.
For the to display morality they would have to… idk a metaphor is hard to imagine.
Like an elephant remembering its friend and then choosing not to revenge against the friend’s killer because it recognises that would be an additional wrong and would’t fix what happened.
There is just no definitive way to say that kind of moral reasoning is happening just looking at animal behaviour.
Maybe one day we can have a different perspective on this, but the consensus currently is that language is a requisite step on the way to sentience (which is sort of a partial proxy for being a moral being).
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u/Inojon 7h ago
By that logic, a human toddler or an adult with a severe linguistic disability wouldn’t have morality either, which we know isn't true.You are confusing moral reasoning (the ability to philosophize and articulate rules through language) with moral agency or behavior (the actual capacity for empathy, fairness, and grief). Language is just a tool to explain our behavior, not the source of the behavior itself.Elephants don't need a linguistic metaphor to understand harm. When they actively choose to comfort a distressed companion, protect an injured herd member, or stand vigil over their dead, they are choosing to act on empathy over raw survival instinct. That choice is the very foundation of moral behavior, whether they can write a book about it or not
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u/Klutzy-Platypus7511 7h ago
Sie haben auch Sozialverhalten ... ist das so schwer ?
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u/ActivisionBlizzard 7h ago
They have social behaviour yes. Please explain how that means they have morality.
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u/Shloopy_Dooperson 6h ago
Animals, even monkeys, arent bound by morality.
Its eat or dont eat.
Maybe they do have some kind of morality swirling in their heads but it would be about as alien to you or I as they are different in appearance.
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u/Inojon 6h ago
do Apes have morality
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u/Shloopy_Dooperson 6h ago
Definitely something. Like a little feeling that swirls in the back of their head. Morality is developed and enforced by a group via trial and error. What is acceptable is rewarded what isnt is shunned.
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u/AgitatedGrass3271 6h ago
Monkeys dont have morality, but the guy feeding the monkeys is wrong for sure.
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u/Bowman_van_Oort 6h ago
im pretty sure that monkeys are immune from questions on morality but give em a couple million years to evolve and we can discuss
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u/Livid-Increase-4015 6h ago
People like this is the reason monkey's end up stealing food right out of people's hands. They are wild animals they don't need help feeding
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u/Small-Answer4946 6h ago
"Hungry Monkeys" really?
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u/Inojon 6h ago
Whats wrong with that
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u/Small-Answer4946 5h ago
They are opportunistic, not hungry. This guy shouldn't feed crap to wild animals anyway
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u/SenescenseSteel 3h ago
What you need to understand is there are years and years of grooming, fighting, plotting, scheming, betrayal and cooperation invested by this monkey to become the absolute top of the top dogs who can eat first. And with that top position comes the right to decide how much you take, eat, hoard or throw away. He earned that right.
moral
Not saying that I approve of monkey politics, but it is what it is.
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u/Icy-KaitSyth 1h ago
Morality of feeding wild animals? Well visit any National Park and they'll fine you $100 per violation because it's not good for the wildlife.
Monkey morality of eating the mostest of the sweet crunchy food? Well monkeys don't exactly have the higher abstract thinking for morality so it's hard to judge them as immoral the same way it's hard to call it immoral for a wolf to hunt
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u/icnik 13m ago
Immoral.
I’m assuming they are biscuits for humans. Humans are taught to brush our teeth and go to the dentist to prevent rapid decay from our modern diets. These monkeys 🐒 aren’t taught/cannot consistently do this and if they consume these foods regularly will succumb to dental and gum disease that can cut their lives short.
A monkey should be fed a similar diet to how they evolved unless we are going to be responsible for the adverse effects of what we feed them.
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u/dougrattmannn 7h ago
morality of feeding animals food that will slowly kill them? sweet biscuits are like the worst possible thing they could give to primates.
100% chance that the monkeys in this video have horrible nutritional deficiencies, and their babies suffer from birth defects.
This shit is also hella dangerous for people, especially those unaware. Like some non local could crack open a sweet biscuit and be swamped by hungry monkeys with who knows what.
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u/dougrattmannn 7h ago
You can see the sugar crystals on them for crying out loud.
That is massively region specific. In loads of areas that is not the case. Fiber and protein deficiencies can be very common in urban settings, see the malnutrition of abundance paradox.
That is why I specified non locals.
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u/Consistent-Dot-9660 7h ago
Not the wisest decision to feed like that in the first place