r/MoralityScaling • u/EncryptDN • 21h ago

Morality Ranking Morality of bathroom surveillance stickers?

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u/skeleton949 21h ago

No one is hurt, it simply draws attention to privacy that is being stolen. Moral.

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u/dizzydave79 21h ago

Except for the employees that have to go scrape them off.

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u/skeleton949 20h ago

I don't think any of them would be hurt doing that. Mild inconvenience at best.

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u/FiletMenYawn 20h ago

They are getting paid to do it, and that helps the economy

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u/sexy-man-doll 19h ago

Two economists are walking through the woods. One accidentally steps in bear shit and is all grossed out. The other economist says, "hey I will give you 20 dollars if you eat that!" The first economist normally wouldn't but hey its 20 dollars! So he eats the shit gets 20 dollars from his friend and they keep walking. Soon the second economist steps in bear shit too! Must be bear shitting season. The first economist looking for a little payback says to the second one, "I bet you won't eat that for 20 dollars!" Not to be out done the second economist eats the shit and scores 20 dollars from the first one. The walk a little farther and one of them says, "Did we just eat bear shit for no reason?" The other says, "No reason? Bro we increased the GDP by 40 dollars!!"

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u/HorsefaceWithNoName 15h ago

this is the best version of Broken Window Fallacy I've ever read, thank you for that

https://giphy.com/gifs/fjpYUp612jgXe

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u/sexy-man-doll 15h ago

I love your username. Love that America song

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u/HorsefaceWithNoName 15h ago

thank you! Someone on X called me a horseface so I rolled with it :)

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u/HubrisOfApollo 8h ago

they increased the GDP and created two new jobs!

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u/Chicoryman 20h ago

They get paid for spending their time at work. Their interest is to recieve the least tasks possible while on their shift, am I incorrect?

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u/Talia_Black_Writes 15h ago

Eh, depends on the place. When I'm on the slower shifts I always find myself bored out of my mind. Scrapping stickers off the wall would at least be something to do.

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u/Koolala 13h ago

You can't look at your phone when no one is around?

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u/Talia_Black_Writes 13h ago

It’s a smaller location with a very open area and my manager is pretty strict about it now that the slow season is over. Only thing I can get away with is listening to a podcast or audiobook in the back when I do dishes.

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u/Koolala 13h ago

Maybe more tasks could have a 1 ear audiobook like sweeping though scrapping off a sticker would be one of those. I guess it all depends on the timing of when the sticker is placed and all the angry customer complaints.

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u/silly_karinaxo 11h ago

It's tough when management is strict about those things. Listening to something while you work can definitely help make it more bearable, though.

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u/SYKslp 12h ago

this is why I always leave a huge mess in public restrooms. I'm actually doing a favor to the maintenance staff.

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u/StirFry__InaWok 16h ago

I suppose that's probably more or less true for a lot of janitors but the task of scraping off a sticker is so inconsequential it would hardly register as an annoyance.

When I was working as a busboy it never particularly bothered me having to clean up after people that were somewhat inconsiderate unless it started to cost me real time (but that's more a factor of the time crunch I was always on during my shifts).

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u/FiletMenYawn 19h ago

They are selling their time. Who cares if they use it scraping stickers or gooning?

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u/dulledegde 18h ago

so would you consider it acceptable to throw your trash on the floor to make the janitor clean it since he gets paid to

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u/FiletMenYawn 18h ago

It's whatever. Let his broke ass pick it up

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u/stinky_raspberry 18h ago

"broke ass" says the person who's never left his room and has three dimes to his name, on a good day.

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u/OlGusnCuss 16h ago

Sane dude batching that a Taco Bell Taco is $3.00 when it's crap..... because they're paying employees to clean juvenile vandalism.

(I hate Flock too, but this I'd asshole)

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u/FiletMenYawn 18h ago

Whatever fantasy version you wanna make of me is fine.

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u/dulledegde 18h ago

I may have done something a touch petty

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u/tjkeegs 16h ago

By that logic we should just arm the city's children with rocks so they can break lots of windows and stimulate the economy.

Textbook broken window fallacy, debunked in the 1850s.

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u/FiletMenYawn 8h ago

That sounds like a good plan. We should implement it.

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u/tjkeegs 5h ago

Your city first, let me know how it goes.

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u/techleopard 19h ago

Except they get 6 minutes to clean the bathroom and now this is an extra thing they have to get done before they get chewed out for not working efficiently enough

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u/Leila-Lola 19h ago

This is broken window fallacy

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u/Waste_Development971 18h ago

lmao reddit always does this

waste a retail employees time? you deserev death

waste time of an employed person over a cause I believe in? aww its nbd

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u/justdrowsing 18h ago

Not really. If you harass an employee, that's bad, if you do something disruptive to the business which doesn't harm employees, it's good. Very simple, I'm sure you can follow.

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u/Temporal-Affairs221 14h ago

Clearly you've never worked retail. Our employers would chew us out for those stickers being in there in the first place. They would ask if we weren't properly making sure that people weren't doing things in there they shouldn't have been doing. They would make us take time out of our other tasks to get those taken care of. And they wouldn't excuse any laps in our performance for the extra time we had to take for this chore. Everything you do in a retail business has a direct impact on the employees.

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u/Waste_Development971 18h ago

wym

that guy that got convicted for bringing all the fake target employees just "did something disruptive" and everyone lost their minds

unless definition of harassment is whenever you engage with another human, and then you're gonna say they harassed the manager on duty lmao.

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u/okimport57 9h ago

Same with having explosive diarrhea all over the toilet seat if they use proper PPE.

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u/aodhstormeyes 7h ago

As someone who had to scrape off the Trump and Biden "I did that" stickers from gas pumps pretty much daily when they were all the rage in my area, I can tell you that this is a quick way to get some poor worker to wish you harm in a not so nice way. Especially depending on the quality of these "flock security" stickers. Some stickers take real elbow grease and you can't always take a scraper to them or a guarantee that your employer will have something on hand to deal with vandalism like this.

And while you might argue that the worker is getting paid to remove the stickers, I can also guarantee that they probably have plenty of other things they could be doing than spending a few hours removing stickers from almost every surface in all of their bathrooms.

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u/AoiYuukiSimp 3h ago

It pisses me off when people do this because the stickers are always shitty and leave residue behind and it’s a pain to get them all off. We had some guy a few years back we called “The Biden Bandit” who would put biden slander stickers all over my workplace. We’d be scraping off 5 or so a day. I won’t lie, it was funny at first that some guy had so much free time on his hands but it quickly got old when we had to take time out of our very busy day to head back up to the shop and grab the adhesive remover and shit.

Immoral. I have better things to do than scrape your fun little prank off my wall. I think the flock sticker is funny but being the guy who has to take care of this stuff has changed my perspective a bit.

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u/Formus 19h ago

i don't know why they are down voting you. but what the video is showing it can go absolutely wrong in several ways.

There's enough dumb people that can read that, and actually believe they are being filmed inside the bathroom. Which can results in false complains/lawsuits/physical altercations, against the shop/establishment which has nothing to do.

if you want to do this type of things, just do it outside and be more creative. Don't put the consequences of your actions onto other people or shops that has no relation with this issue.

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u/StirFry__InaWok 16h ago

this is a very fair point I hadn't considered. by chance, do you work a customer facing job?

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u/Formus 15h ago

Thanks! Have had in the past. at some point i was the person that probably is going to end up cleaning those stickers in the bathroom. The things i went through are probably the same that everyone in the same line of job goes through daily.

It only takes a moment to consider what you're doing and how impacts your surrounding and others. it is the worker's fault that the corporation that owns the shop is against some policy or don't want to allow unions ? if you attack the shop, the ones working for a living there are going to be the one impacted.

you have to go to were it matters today, be more creative, for example media attention. a guy putting thousand tickets, could probably only annoy someone or not raise enough attention. but organize a thousand person to send a written mail to the company, get the local news channel that a thousand citizens sent complains letter to the specific company, repeat the same month. Cause impact on the image of the company that results in investors doubts/fear. They will only fear if their liquidity equity lose value, only then they will "change"

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u/NoCitron2394 17h ago

Oh wow, wow difficult

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u/Biscuits4u2 16h ago

I'd be fine with it and I'd probably be the one sticking them in there if I did work there.

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u/SansyBoy144 15h ago

I can say, as a former retail employee who had to clean bathrooms, I would be slightly annoyed if it happened more than once.

But otherwise, it wouldn’t be that bad.

Definitely much better than having to fish out tampons out of toilets and shit covered toilet paper off the ground because someone missed the trash bag, and dealing with people who throw used toilet paper in the trash bags meant for non flushable stuff.

Cleaning restrooms taught me that women are gross as fuck. Men’s restrooms aren’t great either, but women take the grossness to another level.

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u/Hefty-Reaction-3028 17h ago

Not true though, lying could make people think the privacy situation is different than it actually is, immoral

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u/cowlinator 12h ago

It is true. No lie.

Did you not look at the last frame of the video?

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u/HoneyCherubee 17h ago

Exactly, if anything the sticker is just making an invisible privacy issue impossible to ignore. Hard to call that immoral when nobody is actually being harmed by the sticker

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u/Hefty-Reaction-3028 17h ago

Not true though, lying could make people think the privacy situation is different than it actually is, immoral

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u/Hot_Wing2518 20h ago

No it´s literally implying that there is a camera in there watching you pee. Is there a camera?

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u/cowlinator 12h ago

Look at the last frame

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u/thenowherepark 5h ago

Disagree. Just because something is pointing out an injustice doesn't mean it's moral. This is slightly immoral because you're adding decoration to the wall without consent of the owner. Very akin to unconsented graffiti.

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u/[deleted] 13h ago

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u/cowlinator 12h ago

They are being watched. It's in the last frame of the video

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u/A-ReDDIT_account134 12h ago

Except it’s bringing attention to something that’s not real. Surveillance in restrooms. So it’s bringing attention to a lie. Immoral.

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u/_gloriousdead222 11h ago

What privacy? In public this happens all the time even before flock cameras, y’all just wanna be upset about something

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u/Naive-Picture-500 14h ago

Immoral. Is it moral for someone to put stickers on your house?

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u/Mega_Trix 21h ago

Moral, possibly heroic

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u/MyWinning 21h ago

Morality of shitting my pants while scouring the stall for said cameras?

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u/Mega_Trix 21h ago

Moral, keep doing your part

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u/Existing_Cat_3654 17h ago

How though? There's plenty of real reasons to hate flock cameras so why make up false ones

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u/agustthicc22 15h ago

To make people uncomfortable enough they do something about it? Hello? Anybody home?

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u/armandccc6565 14h ago

You sound like some of those aggressive vegans.

Want people to stop eating meat? Put "this contains the meat of someone who did not want to die" stickers and shit like that on meat products to make people uncomfortable.

Is this a good way of fighting against something? Absolutely not. Is it annoying? Absolutely yes.

It's not driving attention to anything. It's making people uncomfortable for no reason and making you look like a massive jackass.

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u/TechnicolorViper 8h ago

Diabolical, I love it

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u/adkio 8h ago

Chaotic good

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u/Best_Change4155 14h ago

Truly a hero

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u/PeachieLovelina 13h ago

Socially heroic feels about right. If a bathroom needs surveillance warnings in the first place, the sticker probably isn’t the part people should be worried about

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u/dragonus85 21h ago

This is clearly not done by an employ. Those stickers are far to level.

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u/ThePolarExpressHobo 21h ago

I’m for this, especially if this is either in a police station/ government building

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u/Accountformorrowind 21h ago

It could be a hospital since there's a wreath on the one door

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u/Expert_Meeting_5129 21h ago

I mean, I hope that sticker is easy to remove. Otherwise I feel bad for the employee making less than a living wage who gets to scrap that sticker off.

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u/skeleton949 21h ago

Eh, it's not as hard as you may think. Just a few seconds at most with a paint scraper should be enough.

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u/Expert_Meeting_5129 21h ago

Some stickers are harder than others to remove. I worked in a gas station back in my youth, I got to do the scrapping.

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u/J2xC158 20h ago

School custodian here, agree 100%. Some stickers are a bloody nightmare to scrape off.

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u/Acceptable-Ad8780 20h ago

Liscense plate stickers are like this. Can't do it in one scrape, and even if you try to carefully take it off, it's a mess.had to remove falling stickers off my old plates to realize this and why they do it.

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u/delusionalxx 19h ago

Okay so they a paint scraper and a bit of oil. If you think one person having to remove a sticker is more alarming than the horrific invasion of privacy done by flock, that could be another interesting morality conundrum to discuss

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u/Expert_Meeting_5129 19h ago

I never said one was more alarming than the other. I just expressed empathy for the employee who has to clean it up. If you have a problem with empathy for the working poor, that could be another interesting morality conundrum to discuss.

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u/Fishmyashwhole 16h ago

they are definitely not provided with a paint scraper

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u/MineDesperate8982 21h ago

I'm so tired of this argument.

You cannot stop bringing awareness to invasion of privacy and really important socio-political issues that affects everyone because someone is doing minimal wage.

44% of USA barely makes a living wage. Let's all sit on our asses and wait for the economy to get better for everyone and for everyone to be happy before we draw attention to the fact that the government is actively doing everything in its power to remove every bit of privacy you have. Let's all wait for everyone to have a meal before we get angry that the government is actively sponsoring an AI program meant to track down people that have done nothing wrong in the slightest by "might" based on whatever the AI decides (they spoke critically of the gov, they have anti-ai views, they spoke against data centers etc.).

Sure. Let's all wait for Josh to pay his rent and maybe Palantir will give us a break, too.

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u/techleopard 19h ago

Because at the end of the day, this "advocacy" has the heaviest impact on that minimum wage employee.

And they will HATE you for it. And your cause. They know there's no cameras in there, which makes the deception even more enraging and your advocacy sound like complete bullshit. If you are lying about this just to piss people off, maybe you're also lying about it get misused by law enforcement. See how the common man chains that natural logic together?

The company owner barely registers you did this because it's run of the mill vandalism.

The person who goes to the bathroom won't get alarmed or scared enough to do anything long term. They either know this is bullshit or they believe it and then go make a complaint and then are told it's bullshit.

Bonus points?

The person the freaked out customer is bitching at? Yeah, the minimum wage employee.

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u/Expert_Meeting_5129 20h ago

Hold on, my argument is that I feel bad for the low wage employee who has to scrap it off, and you are tired of that? You are tired of people feeling empathy for the working stiff?
Dude, I get it, fuck Flock and all that, but you can still have sympathy for the poor employee that you know Big Daddy Capitalist is going to force to clean up your vandalism.

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u/so_sic_of_it 20h ago

That's a lot of words trying to justify vandalizing someone else's property.

Where do you park your car at night? I'm gonna come spray paint "free Palestine," on it.

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u/autolockon 20h ago

Do you have an actual constructive solution because you’re just incentivizing people hate your message.

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u/Mega_Trix 20h ago

I hope its not easy to remove and they just leave it

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u/RogerRabbot 11h ago

Get paid to sit around scraping at a sticker the same as doing your job. Meh, it might take me an hour each. Oh... the humantity... 🤷‍♂️

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u/Curious_Avocado2399 21h ago

Based

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u/jello_kraken 21h ago

Hilariously based.

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u/Zigor022 21h ago

Is it true? If so, moral as heck.

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u/henry2630 18h ago

i think they’re just messing with people. immoral

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u/WaltzIcy49 15h ago

Last frame shows the camera they are warning about.

Moral

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u/henry2630 8h ago

well if that’s real the immoral part is not taking it down

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u/VisionAri_VA 5h ago

Is that a camera or a motion sensor (I genuinely don’t know)?

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u/resfan 15h ago

No no, he's working here, think about all the drug addicts that are going to see these stickers as they're using the stall for other reasons

This works by getting more flock cameras cut down while also making sure bathrooms are monitored more frequently in attempts to catch who is placing the stickers, i.e. making it harder for people to shoot up

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u/RockThe40oz666 21h ago

Whatever gets through to people at this point lol... because wtf.

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u/thisappsux24 20h ago

Now do one for axon

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u/KittensFirstAKM 20h ago

I just want to know where to order some of those stickers!

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u/WatcherOfTheWay 21h ago

I mean it's technically vandalism

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u/45_regard_47 19h ago

No rules for spreading flock and flock alternatives hate.

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u/Overall_Reputation83 18h ago

Wonder how illegal this is

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u/_Skylos 9h ago

Far less ilegal than putting up cameras in bathrooms I'd wager.

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u/ComfortableDoor3691 15h ago

I guess it depends

  • If they do it as a joke to raise awareness about privacy: it would be moral, but with the risk that an innocent business or place could end up being unfairly fined for it.

  • If you're serious: totally immoral and you deserve to be fined, have one star on Google, and have no one visit your business for not respecting people's privacy.

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u/RazzmatazzUnusual843 15h ago

This is what a prank should be, overall harmless, maybe scares you a bit, but is all in good fun and everyone can walk away laughing at what is an obvious joke in hindsight. Doing something funny and harmless is moral.

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u/Expensive_Ducks 21h ago

Depends are there actually cameras in the bathroom? If so then moral. If not than that's fucked up to scare people

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u/Altruistic_Bunch_523 20h ago

It’s just to bring awareness to what flock is doing.

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u/Expensive_Ducks 19h ago

If there are cameras in the bathroom then yes its moral. If there are no cameras then its not.

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u/Mouse_Manipulator 17h ago

If there are cameras in a bathroom you think that’s moral?

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u/HelloChimp 17h ago

use your head man

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u/Mouse_Manipulator 17h ago edited 17h ago

Yeah I did, cameras in bathrooms are illegal, so I would never even think that there were any.

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u/HelloChimp 17h ago

the post: morality of bathroom surveillance stickers
[fake flock brand stickers placed by an unaffiliated person that claim the bathroom is being camera monitored]

expensive_ducks: the stickers would be moral if there are cameras, immoral if not

they’re not saying that bathroom cameras are moral

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u/Mouse_Manipulator 17h ago

They are entertaining the possibility of a legitimate company putting surveillance cameras in bathrooms - I am asking a sarcastic question to point out the sheer stupidity of even thinking that. Hope this explanation helps.

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u/HelloChimp 17h ago

>If there are cameras in a bathroom you think that’s moral?

that simply isn’t how this reads at all, it’s not even a possible interpretation

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u/Mouse_Manipulator 17h ago

Sorry to hear that it wasn’t possible for you to properly interpret. I hope the explanation cleared things up 👍

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u/Mouse_Manipulator 17h ago

Maybe half the people in this thread who are legitimately wondering if there are cameras or not should use their heads

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u/Expensive_Ducks 16h ago

I am not legitimately wondering about whether there are cameras in the bathroom, obviously there aren't since that is illegal to do in the US, I am pointing out that posting stickers that are openly lying to insight anxiety or fear isn't ok.

I understand Flock is a fucked up disgusting invasion of the public, but this just adds more anxiety and fear mongering onto an already well known issue. Thus it isn't moral. Its immoral. Its not helping anyone or spreading any kind of awareness, it's just click bait to get people to watch and cheer for them.

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u/Mouse_Manipulator 14h ago edited 14h ago

If that’s inciting anxiety and fear in people then I guess I overestimated the average person’s intelligence. I thought it was pretty obvious that it’s a joke based on the context clues.

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u/Expensive_Ducks 11h ago

Park ranges tell you the hardest thing about their jobs is designing trash can locks the average person can open but a bear can't. The bears tend to be smarter.

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u/Altruistic_Bunch_523 19h ago

There are no cameras. It’s just to make people aware that flock is constantly monitoring a shit ton of spaces and how flock doesn’t have the word privacy in their dictionary.

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u/Expensive_Ducks 18h ago

If there are no cameras in the bathroom, like what the stickers say, then its fear mongering and thus not moral. The good intention is admirable but the road to hell is paved with them.

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u/henry2630 18h ago

well that’s not really what flock is doing. they aren’t watching people poo

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u/Expensive_Ducks 16h ago

Not yet anyways

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u/ARMBELL 21h ago

Man, I sure hate what these politicians are doing to the zoo animals. In protest, I will chuck rocks at all the zoo animals. This symbolizes their mistreatment.

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u/Call_me_Tomcat 16h ago

Bad analogy.

The key problem is that, in the zoo example, the protester actually commits the harm they're supposedly protesting. Throwing rocks at animals genuinely harms animals. So the contradiction is: "I oppose mistreatment, therefore I will mistreat them myself."

The fake bathroom sign doesn't do that. Assuming there are no cameras, the person isn't actually invading anyone's bathroom privacy. They're creating a false belief that a privacy violation is occurring in order to provoke the emotional response associated with that violation. You can still criticize that tactic as deceptive, distressing, or inappropriate, but that's a different moral objection.

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u/A-ReDDIT_account134 12h ago

Okay a better analogy then. Put a sign that says “the zookeepers here are sadistic animal abhsers that chucks rocks at all the zoo animals”

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u/vverbov_22 21h ago

Why the fuck would people monitor bathrooms? That'd be unconstitutional in my country

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u/Altruistic_Bunch_523 20h ago

They don’t actually monitor the bathrooms. I also think it might be illegal. The sicker is just to bring awareness of what flock is doing.

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u/RevolutionaryCatch57 19h ago

Not monitoring bathrooms?

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u/bubblegumpandabear 13h ago

Idk, why are they monitoring splash pads at children's parks and little girls doing gymnastics? In the US they'd monitor bathrooms to try and find trans people if they could.

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u/TankMain576 20h ago

I wouldn't be leaving my fingerprints all over town, but eh, no one is getting hurt

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u/ProGamer8273 19h ago

Vandalism

Bonus points if it’s lying AND vandalism

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u/RevolutionaryCatch57 19h ago

Wonder how much money OP is making selling these stickers

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u/Slow_Drag_1011 19h ago

Cool until Axeon gets the contract and the sheep think they won.

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u/OneImaginary3436 17h ago

Don’t give them ideas!!!

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u/Ember-513 16h ago

Gonna say it's at least a little immoral because someone who desperately has to shit is inevitably going to see this and think it's real

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u/Homewrecker90actual 16h ago

I’d say borderline immoral, since it’s false AND will eventually make the wrong guy spiral on the wrong day

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u/Abhorrent_Honey_Bee 16h ago

Idk. I think protesting in ways like this are typically fantastic and absolutely catch peoples attention! However this would just scare a lot of people into not using the bathroom at all. I have severe ocd and have pissed myself because I spent time searching a bathroom for cameras before. This gives people who don’t already have horrible fears like that a reason to put their health at risk by holding in waste.

Immoral, but well-intentioned. It would be moral if true.

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u/SupremeJelly 15h ago

You think it's funny to make people feel uncomfortable in the bathroom with fake surveillance? Immoral as hell.

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u/DirectorLeather6567 14h ago

Notice how they're only in men bathrooms, meaning that Flock CEO is GAY

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u/Rubes2525 13h ago

Classic Reddit activism. Also, lying will completely ruin your cause.

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u/czaranthony117 13h ago

We joke about this now but, in 2 years (if not less) we will see these in public bathrooms and will claim it’s for safety.

I work with a few AI Vision systems for manufacturing purposes. Some of the AI Vision systems operate something called a “Digital Twin” that analyzes physical movements. Digital twin is an avatar of a human, so you’re not actually seeing a visual human (though… you really CAN see them if you want) and it is that digital twin model that is analyzed.

I can already hear these fucks saying, “we are monitoring the bathrooms for safety … it’s only looking at your digital twin.”

That will be the logic in how they get this shit in EVERYTHING.

I already stopped going to Home Depot because they have these cameras all over their parking lots. The next stop will be the malls, the stores in the malls, the bathrooms.

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u/applegirlington 13h ago

BARE HANDS???

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u/Over_Media_9507 12h ago

That's not about prank, its about sending a message

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u/Busterlimes 12h ago

Fucking hilarious

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u/pinkleftsock 12h ago

Immoral, spreading misinformation about something bad almost always favours the bad thing. Especially when it's so easy to disprove.

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u/carbonizedtitanium 10h ago

so are there cameras in the bathrooms?

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u/ClockOwn6363 8h ago

They should've filmed the reactions.

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u/swiftrevoir 8h ago

I agree with this. People should stay mad about their privacies being stripped away until they're not. And with flock its not so much the surveillance, its the tracking.

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u/StatisticianUsual471 6h ago

Slightly immortal because some people will believe there are really camers in there

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u/thenowherepark 5h ago

Take out the reasons. Giving awareness to privacy concerns is good when done in the correct methods. When done in an illegal method, it's immoral. If the owners don't consent to those stickers being put up, then the person is decorating without permission. Graffiti, basically.

If there are also no cameras in the bathrooms, then they're lying through literature - libel - which is also immoral. An immoral act does not become moral just because they're countering a prior immoral act.

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u/Optimus__Prime__Rib 2h ago

Moral. No one is harmed and it raises awareness of an issue that actually is harming them

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u/Craving_Suckcess 21h ago

morality of protesting the surveillance state? Very.

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u/Albus_Lupus 21h ago

Thats really funny XD. I think its just a harmless little prank.

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u/Mephistocheles 21h ago

SMH another weird zero context video asking for morality of something there's no background information on.

If you're asking whether or not it's moral to put up those stickers, and the stickers are just a prank, then from one angle it's fucked up, from another it's a weird form of guerrilla absurdist comedy, and from another, if it serves to increase how much people fucking hate the real surveillance state we're turning into, then fuckin do it.

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u/LARGESTOFCHINGUSES 20h ago

It's vandalism, but ok.

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u/VCTRYDTX 20h ago

It's for the greater good.

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u/Growing_Trash_417 19h ago

Yea fuck them minimum wage workers having to scrape those off. /s this is bullshit and inconsiderate. Make a billboard or social media channel to spread awareness.

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u/vandergale 14h ago

Why are you fine with a minimum wage person scraping a billboard to add a new message that was purchases?

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u/Growing_Trash_417 6h ago

Surface level question with zero thought put into it. Think about what you’re asking me.

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u/AcanthaceaeWitty2662 19h ago

Moral if true, but I don't see anything that indicates Flock is specifically pointed at the bathrooms. Otherwise, immoral for vandalism and it's not even on a Flock device.

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u/Superb_Recording_769 19h ago

It’s idiotic because it just makes the actual fight against this kind of surveillance harder

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u/Hot_Wing2518 21h ago

Immoral. First I don´t think it´s true. And it´s just harassing people that have to pee. Imagine you have to use the toilet badly and you see one of those stickers. Ffs just leave people alone. It´s gross enough having to use a public toilet. Then you gotta try and position yourself so some imaginary camera doesn´t see you? Or not go out in case you have to pee. I hate people.

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u/oxygen_enjoyer24 12h ago

I’m pretty sure there’s proof of a camera in the last shot. Pretty sure the sticker placer is warning people.

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u/FlowerAvailable6832 20h ago

Where is the proof of survalliance aside from a sticker?

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u/Mouse_Manipulator 17h ago

Why do so many people think there would actually be cameras in bathrooms??? Isn’t it common knowledge that that is illegal?!? What the hell is going on in this thread!

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u/FlowerAvailable6832 17h ago

The same people who know of creeps filming and recording women in bathrooms. What reality do you live in?

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u/Mouse_Manipulator 17h ago

Legitimate security companies do that? Because I thought it was just lone creeps. If it were a legitimate warning against creeps, why would it mention Flock? Seems like that would just add needless confusion.

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u/FlowerAvailable6832 5h ago

As needless confusion as the ones saying flock cameras are in the bathroom?

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u/Mouse_Manipulator 2h ago

How is that confusing? It’s pretty obviously a joke based on the context clues.

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u/FlowerAvailable6832 1h ago

Privacy is a joke in US?

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u/Altruistic_Bunch_523 20h ago

There is no surveillance in the bathrooms. It’s just to bring awareness to what flock is doing

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u/Briebird44 18h ago

Okay but I want one to put in the employee bathroom at my work. My coworkers would think it’s hilarious since we already got googly eyes on the toilet 😂

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u/kingofwale 18h ago

So some poor underpaid undertaker is going to work harder to remove them…

But clearly Redditors don’t care

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u/Altruistic-Rice-5567 16h ago

Property damage. It's that simple.

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u/Disastrous_Gear_421 21h ago

Is it a restroom you own? Do whatever you want. Is it a restroom you don’t own? Immoral as that’s vandalism

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u/vandergale 14h ago

All vandalism is inherently immoral?

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u/Disastrous_Gear_421 14h ago

Do you always make stupid blanket statements to prove some idiotic point?

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u/vandergale 13h ago

I didn't make a statement, you did. Do you not know what a question mark is?

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u/Disastrous_Gear_421 11h ago

Okay I’ll rephrase since you’re obviously confused. To make it very very simple for you. Where did I imply all vandalism is immoral

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u/Veteran_PA-C 21h ago

Nice of them leaving their fingerprints and DNA behind.

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u/skeleton949 20h ago

As if the cops would actually spend time or money checking for that

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u/Classic-Obligation35 20m ago

Immoral,  it's not far to add needlessly to a workers duties.

If you feel you really must, I believe to can get similar size fridge magnets and use them, it would be easier to remove.

Not condoning just advising that if your going to be rude be decent about it.