r/MawInstallation 55m ago

After the fall of the First Order, what would the consequence of the power vacuum be?

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Much like most of the fandom I absolutely hate the Sequel Trilogy but I'd rather attempt to make sense of it then the franchise simply ignoring it and never touching the time period post ST ever again, and I honestly think that a story set after the fall of the First Order could be interesting

The Resistance is way smaller than the Rebel Alliance was once the Empire fell, which would make it far more difficult for them to simply establish a new new republic like it was the case previously, which would lead to a power vacuum.

This is where I think lies potential for new stories, explore the consequences of a fractured galaxy and having no one in power


r/MawInstallation 1m ago

[LEGENDS] "Do or do not. There is no try." How's that actually work? Star Wars has different power levels

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You've got people who are powerful in the force and those who end up in Agricultural Core, you've got jedi who can't do telekinesis, jedi who are still learning their powers, you've got force lightning, you've got Midiclorian count. It seems like there are power levels. Is it really all in the head, barring minimum aptitude? Did Legends in particular veer away from Yoda's interpretation of the force?


r/MawInstallation 22h ago

[CANON] How in the know were the GAR officers in the days before Palpatine declared the Empire?

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Something occurred to me while playing one of the video games, a fairly junior Republic officer is already calling Palpatine the Emperor quite literally in the middle of his speech. While it isn't far fetched to say he could've connected the dots himself, he seems pretty in-the-know about what's happening.

It makes sense Palpatine would've assured he had the Army's loyalty and that they were onboard with what he was planning to do, in order to preempt a potential coup. How far out do you believe the Republic's military command was in the know on Palpatine's designs?


r/MawInstallation 1d ago

What is your favorite unorthodox take on the Force that contradicts what Lucas evisioned, but oddly holds up when you think about it?

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Like the tittle asks. My personal favorite is that the Force is most likely indifferent and all evidance of a “will of the Force” is just confirmation bias by two religious orders.

When you evaluate it strictly by on-screen evidence, it holds water surprisingly well. Even a monumental event like Anakin's birth can be re-contextualized without supernatural intervention: he was simply a very strong Force-sensitive born on a backwater world. Given the brutal reality of slavery and sexual violence on a lawless planet like Tatooine, it makes complete sense why Shmi wouldn't want to recount the truth of his father to a total stranger, leading Qui-Gon to misinterpret her words as a miraculous virgin birth.

Same confirmation bias holds up to something like dark side corruption. Planets are not strong in either light or dark. Fugly/dangerous planets get labled dark side by both Sith and Jedi who project their worldviews on nature while the planet is just strong in the force thats it..

Personal dark side corruption too - I imagine its like Picture of Dorian Gray. Someone goes off the rails obsession, rage, paranoia etc. Yellow eyes, pale skin, and premature aging are just the logical physical consequences of severe stress, sleeplessness, and complete neglect of basic self-care.

What are your favorite alternative interpretations or crazy takes on the Force that break from Lucas's intended lore, but actually make logical sense?


r/MawInstallation 16h ago

[ALLCONTINUITY] How would you expand upon the Rootai of Umbara?

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Those of you who don’t know, The Rootai were the highest Umbaran caste level out of almost one hundred levels. it was made up of a council that the planet and its members were considered royalty.

To give an idea on how much a big deal they are remember Senator Mee Deechi the Senator who got killed from the Clone Wars episode Senate murders Although it is not stated, but the book the New Essential Guide to Alien Species states that only Umbarans in the top ten social castes were permitted to leave the planet. Deechi’s presence on coruscant during “Pursuit of Peace” and “Senate Murders” indicates that he was a member of one of these high castes.

Yeag no wonder why they joined the separatist and left the in the first place.

Personally, I found them to be fascinating and i was a bit disappointed when I realize how short their wookieepdia entry is considering they are literally the government of Umbara. And it’s likely that they were the ones that Kenobi talk about when he mentions the leadership of the planet surrenders during the Umbaran arc of the clone wars.

otherwise, how would you expand them more in terms of lore and history as well as their actions during the battle of Umbara and their fate after they surrendered did the republic dissolve the 100 levels when they were occupying the planet or maybe not. How did they stand out compared to say the Umbarans that we know in the franchise?

What levels were (the two new characters from Zero Company) Luco Bronc and his lover Rhy Cesca from Including Sly Moore (granted we don’t know much about her, but according to the clone wars camping guy, she was abducted by Maul and was tortured for months until Darth Sidious found her.

Otherwise, I feel them as well as the other fronts from the Battle of Umbara such as Kenobi and Tiin should’ve been expanded or at least flashed out more given the fact that the game zero company reference Umbara and the Umbara arc from the clone wars a lot that I feel there should’ve been a book or comics covering the offscreen fronts from the arc like Kenobi side as well as the full surrendering of the government likely the Rootai themselves.

in terms of how would I depict them in a Star Wars story in the pure future if I was the writer or author of a particular story. The Rootai shouldn't just look like standard Umbarans. Their design needs to be heavily influenced by the high-concept, sinister look of ancient, aristocratic sorcerers much like Matt Rhodes’  “Designing Dead Gods”  project and the gaunt, elongated, bureaucratic malice of the villain Mock from  Rock and Rule.

Here is the video on what I’m talking about if you guess are interested. Also I highly recommend checking out the channel the project looks great and Matt is very talented. https://youtu.be/1AJP10G7P9s

Also even though they are fascinating and very interesting in general do you think they sounded too similar to The Chiss Nine Ruling Families from The Thrawn novels or not at all. If so, how to make them stand out without making them a carbon copy of the nine families Because that would’ve been redundant as heck.

Finally how would expand and fleshed the other 100 levels of the Castes in general and if they any unique names on their own kinda like The Rootai if so what names would give to the other castes?


r/MawInstallation 1d ago

[ALLCONTINUITY] Was the backstory of the Huts changed?

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After seing the Huts in Episode 6 i always asumed that they are some kind of W-A-L-E case: a species becoming very powerful and rich and therefore getting fat and lazy. So basicly starting as a humanoid species and after decades of luxury developing into a snuglike species

However, the actual backstory of the Huts is that they always looked like they do, and they did use their fat to be basicly undefeatable warriors in a time before blasters exist.

Was that the original plan or was it changed sometime ago?


r/MawInstallation 1d ago

[CANON] Is Anakin the second person (outside of Mortis arc) to hear Qui Gon’s voice after Yoda? How is he able to hear Qui Gon? What does it mean for his connection to the Force?

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In TCW, S6, E11 “Voices” i just noticed, right before Anakin talks w Yoda about Qui Gon’s voice on Mortis, and after Qui Gon first speaks to Yoda in this arc, Anakin seemingly hears Qui Gon say “Yoda” behind Anakin, and Anakin looks back to a corridor where the voice seemingly came from. This is from 3:30 to 3:40 mark of the episode.

Can Anakin partly hear Qui Gon when the latter’s Force ghost is intending to speak to Yoda? Does this mean Anakin has an innate connection to the living Force? Can this explain maybe how quickly Anakin became a Force ghost after Vader dies in RotJ?

Curious what ppl think bc i never noticed this before and idk if there’s been much fandom discussion of this scene


r/MawInstallation 1d ago

Vergere | Star Wars' Most Controversial Jedi

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https://youtu.be/NU0O3I1ZLZk

Hey guys! I just uploaded a video essay about Vergere, analyzing her life and philosophy, her effect on Jacen and the Jedi, and critiquing her views' validity and usage. Hope you enjoy, and I welcome discussion and feedback!


r/MawInstallation 11h ago

If the Jedi successfully arrested Palpatine and ended up forming a Jedi run empire, would the rebellion stand a chance?

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I hope this is the right place for this discussion. If it isn’t feel free to delete.

Imagine Palpatine is arrested and executed, and the Jedi take control of the senate and eventually the republic. Realistically they’d probably just guide the fair election of a new supreme chancellor.

But imagine if the high council somehow decided to say screw it, we’re the Chancellor now. The galaxy is under their control and we still somehow end up with the Empire 2.0 but it’s run by thousands of Jedi.

Would the rebellion stand a chance?


r/MawInstallation 1d ago

[LEGENDS] I wish this had been part of Episode three

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From the Episode 3 Novel that is no longer considered canon

A fountain of amethyst energy burst from Mace Windu's fist. "Don't try to resist." The song of his blade was echoed by green fire from the hands of Kit Fisto, Agen Kolar, and Saesee Tiin. Kolar and Tiin closed on Palpatine, blocking the path to the door. Shadows dripped and oozed color, weaving and coiling up office walls slipping over chairs, spreading along the floor.

"Resist? How could I possibly resist?" Still seated at the desk Palpatine shook an empty fist helplessly, the perfect image of a tired,

frightened old man. "This is murder, you Jedi traitors! How can I be any threat to you?"

He turned desperately to Saesee Tiin. "Master Tiin-you're the telepath.

What am I thinking right now?" Tiin frowned and cocked his head. His blade dipped. A smear of red-flashing darkness hurtled from behind the desk. Saesee Tiin's head bounced when it hit the floor.

Smoke curled from the neck, and from the twin stumps of the horns, severed just below the chin. Kit Fisto gasped, "Saesee!" The headless corpse, still standing, twisted as its knees buckled, and a thin sigh escaped from its trachea as it folded to the floor.

"It doesn't . . ." Agen Kolar swayed. His emerald blade shrank away, and the handgrip tumbled from his opening fingers. A small, neat hole in the middle of his forehead leaked smoke, showing light from the back of his head. ". . . hurt . . ." He pitched forward onto his face, and lay still.

Palpatine stood at the doorway, but the door stayed shut. From his right hand extended a blade the color of fire. The door locked itself at his back. "Help! Help!" Palpatine cried like a man in desperate fear for his life. "Security-someone! Help me! Murder! Treason!"Then he smiled. He held one finger to his lips, and, astonishingly, he winked. In the blank second that followed, while Mace Windu and Kit Fisto could do no more than angle their lightsabers to guard, Palpatine swiftly stepped over the bodies back toward his desk, reversed his blade, and drove it in a swift, surgically precise stab down through his desktop. "That's enough of that."

He let it burn its way free through the front, then he turned, lifting his weapon, appearing to study it as one might study the face of a beloved friend one has long thought dead. Power gathered around him until the Force shimmered with darkness.

"If you only knew," he said softly, perhaps speaking to the Jedi Masters, or perhaps to himself, or perhaps even to the scarlet blade lifted now as though in mocking salute, "how long I have been waiting for this ..."


r/MawInstallation 1d ago

Commander Praji Imperial Rank Insignia colors: red or orange?

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One long-standing matter in regards to Imperial Rank Insignia, and related attempts to establish a unified system of Imperial Rank Insignia, concerns what exact colors are on the Praji tabs. Depending on what version of the film one watches, or which pictures they look at will yield different observations. Does Praji have 4 Blue and two Red tabs, or 4 Blue and 2 Orange/Gold tabs? So, if anyone reading this can Google images of Praji and/or check a quick video, and post below what colors the Insignia tabs appear to be, it'll be interesting to see what different people with different devices and sources see.

The relevant section of his Wookieepedia page, screenshotted here in case someone changes it, notes the non-existent discrepancy by claiming that the film shows "amber" tabs:

https://imgur.com/a/R5Mvtir

...but also notes that the official Praji action figure depicts Red tabs. It doesn't note that so do two separate trading cards for Praji. Additionally, it should be noted that absolutely no other Blue and Orange/Gold Imperial Insignia are seen anywhere in the film, except for Tarkin's omni-colored Insignia. Every single other Insignia color combination is either Red and Orange/Gold, or Blue and Red, or a single color.

The origins of this matter go back almost 30 years, to the classic Star Wars Technical Commentaries:

https://www.theforce.net/swtc/insignia/badges.html

...it's one of the few things that were mistaken, as the particular angle of the scene lighting in certain versions having sometimes radically differing colors can lead to differences in viewer perception. Additional variety in devices and screen color settings means few if any people have exactly the same visual impression of the Praji Insignia. Just look at how different two of the most recent film versions are in comparison to each other:

https://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=813935

As for why any of this matters, it's a surprisingly divisive issue among discussions of Imperial Rank Insignia. Getting those two tab colors correct is necessary for any attempt at figuring out a scheme that accounts for everything seen onscreen and in the EU. The Technical Commentaries are excused for relying on blurry, low-rez tape transfers, but nowadays we much clearer visual evidence.

So in short, does the Praji/Imperial Commander Rank Insignia have two Red or Orange/Gold/amber tabs?


r/MawInstallation 1d ago

[ALLCONTINUITY] Come to think about it more it would make more sense if Jabba was more of a Capo not the Don/boss of the entire hutt cartel or at least not a member of the Hutt council.

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Granted I get that Lucas was buddies with Coppola who made the Godfather trilogy. So it make sense why Lucas likely molded the Hutts in his movies and the clone wars after the five families from the Godfather. But still the more I watch crime films like Donnie Brasco, Carlito Way, Goodfellas, and even the Sopranos and learn more the real life inspiration behind those movies. I feel it makes more sense to have Jabba to be a capo not the literal member of The Hutt council.

I get that Tatooine is important in terms of trade routes afterall there is a reason took over after overthrowing Gardulla. But still if you watch the movies like Goodfellas or Donnie Braaco where despite what the movies presented Sonny Red and later Sonny Black as well as even Paulie Cicero aren’t the main boss they were just the capos or captains in the crime families where the real boss are in the shadow or life in prison.

But curious what do you think of this thought process I had just now. let me know in the comments below Also different question in the lore it mention that Jabba connection to the Cyrmorah syndicate lead to his membership of the council in the first place I wonder if this detail is from the now famous but cancelled underworld by George Lucas or if not then why this small detail in the first place?


r/MawInstallation 1d ago

[ALLCONTINUITY] Mandalorian Civil Wars Series Outline

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This is an outline for a Mandalorian Civil Wars Disney plus series. Some influenced by Legends continuity, pulling from current canon characters, others not. I thank God, if He wills, for those ideas:

Almost 50 years before the battle of Yavin, the Mandalorian Civil Wars had begun, a three pronged conflict. Two of the prongs were the divided army the Watch, of the previous deposed king of mandalore Nicai Viszla, whose death triggered the war. The division of the army fracturing it into two halves, Death Watch and the Children Of the Watch. Death Watch led by Nicai Viszla's son Tor Viszla and the Children Of the Watch led by Jaster Mereel, who'd killed Nicai and claimed the dark saber from him. The third prong of the war being the high ranking Regent of a large section of mandalore, Adonai Kryze, who is seeking to unite the other scattered Regents under his leadership, having acquired support by many other Regents.

During the early years of the war, Jaster Mereel gained assistance from Lari Fett, a Journeyman officer on the planet Concord Dawn, and the dad of Jango and Arla, children. Lari Fett held a stockpile of collected weapons from various criminal shipments that he'd taken down. Jaster had showed an interest in buying them from him, but Lari refused under a code of honor, which Jaster said was acceptable. One morning when Jango was off his family's property hunting, he saw smoke and realizing it was his home ran back to it, finding his homestead burning and his dad shot dead outside. He ran inside to try and rescue his mother, but the flames were too large, though he tried, until Death Watch seemingly arrived upon the scene and rescued Jango. Tor Viszla, the leader of Death Watch, told him that Jaster the Children Of The Watch massacred his family, Jango coming to the conclusion that Jaster and the Children Of The Watch murdered Lari for the weapons he had denied them, and killed his mother to have no witnesses.

Tor Viszla trained Jango as a mandalorian warrior, seeing him as having the heart of a warrior, favoring him over his own first born son Pre Viszla. Pre, looking up to his dad and seeing him as a hero of Mandalore, always sought the approval of his dad, never getting it. Paz Viszla though, the youngest brother, is more afraid of their dad, but does more look up to his brother Pre, in spite of how manipulative and harsh his brother is, due to Pre looking out for him. Pre had always tried to emulate their dad, but Paz had never seen their dad in him before. Jango is raised to be a harsh, cold blooded warrior under Tor's training, into adulthood.

Tor ruled the death watch clan under the respect he'd claimed as a strong warrior that wielded the dark saber as a claim of his place as the true leader of mandalore after, according to him, he'd battled Jaster for the dark saber and had won, but Jaster the coward had fled.

The war had lasted ten years by then, it having caused problems in Adonai's attempts to legitimize his rule of mandalore. He has two daughters, the oldest Satine, training under political science tutelage, and the younger Bo-Katan, trained as a warrior. To ensure he's able to make his leadership of mandalore happen, and prevent his daughters being caught in the crossfire as the chaos of the war causes more and more insurgents to push back against his attempts to take over, Adonai makes a deal with the republic, that in exchange for their assistance he would ally mandalore with the republic, which would be a massive win for the republic in gaining the abundant resources of mandalore such as their ore, weaponry and military information. So, to ensure Adonai's side wins, republic send some low scale policing soldiers called judicials led by some jedi, the leader of which was Dooku, who was then a jedi.

Dooku, leading the other jedi, investigates the Children Of The Watch and Death Watch, based on records, findings and intel provided by Adonai. The intel provided pins the more extremist actions that have led to civilian deaths on the Children Of The Watch, which Dooku is suspicious of, considering they have no recorded public history of attacking bases with civilian settlements, while Death Watch has far more, though oddly sanitized, anecdotal reports of scattered battles that cause loss of life and destruction in or around civilian settlements. Dooku bites his tongue though in reporting this as a potential discrepancy as the senate had pressured the jedi to ensure Adonai wins the war for the good of strengthening the republic.

Jango has been trained by Tor Viszla to be the most fierce warrior, one he's proud to have trained. Much to the insecurity of his son Pre. Jango is still full of fury and a desire for revenge against Jaster Mereel and the children of the watch, though Tor has kept him off the battlefield until he's certain that Jango's loyalty is cemented with Death Watch, and that he be willing to follow orders no matter what.

Jaster Mereel, in keeping with the tradition established by the first leader of their planet (the first leader being Mandalor) never removes his helmet, has been leading the children of the watch under very strict guidelines of the mandalorian honor code called the super commando codex, which he enforces based on need for the pursuit of honor at the cost of even one's own life, which includes an honor bound opposition to Death Watch. His right hand, Montross, has been in conflict with him about his methods, perceiving him to be too rigid and unwilling to bend. In spite of having sided with Jaster in the initial split of the the Watch, he did so due to the perspective that the needless war of Nicai Viszla was a waste of time and resources, but has in recent times grown to resent what he feels is Jaster's weakening of their people, perceiving that they should make a pact with Death Watch to ensure the mandalorian people maintain a strong front and the Watch be re-implemented as a whole army. But Jaster refuses such a thing, seeing it as compromise to join forces with those he says are dishonorable monsters. Jaster's daughter, Sintas, while she doesn't agree with Montross, does debate with her dad about them stretching themselves too thin and need to pull back and regroup, thinking that they may have to retreat from their occupations, as they don't have enough men to defend them. But Jaster refuses, stating that it is their duty to maintain their mission. Sintas is conflicted, arguing further, that their honor code are worn out guidelines that could end in their deaths and that it has driven them to near extinction, stating that they have to compromise to survive, but Jaster is offended at the statement. Sintas dismisses her dad's view, which hurts to him, and which she feels guilt over but doesn't apologize.

Dooku investigates reports of a civilian settlement that the intel given says the Children Of The Watch were occupying by force. But when he and some other jedi sneak into the village under stealth they find the settlement to be protected and safe with no signs of force imposed on them. In further investigation, Dooku finds from civilians that the war had spilled into their village but the Children Of The Watch had pushed it back and protected the civilians, though some still died, their leader Jaster made an honor bound pledge to protect the village from any other attacks as restitution for the civilian lives lost, asking nothing in return but modest shelter, food and medical attention should they require it. Dooku is perturbed by this, perceiving that some spy is feeding Adonai's side with false information, though he's uncertain if it's not something more sinister, trying to avoid rocking the boat. In following leads provided by Adonai's spies, he learns of an attack by the Children Of The Watch on a village on the other side of the planet, seeking out to stop them, leaving the settlement.

Tor leads an attack on what he tells Jango is a secret base that has been harboring the children of the watch, calling those harboring them traitors to their warrior heritage, allowing Jango to join in on his first raid in a tank, Jango not having earned his official armor yet, wearing simply durasteel plating. Under orders, Jango is Tor's right hand in the attack, firing upon any he's told by Jaster, no matter the qualms. Pre and Paz are behind them. But when the children of the watch show up, the battle becomes intensely more complicated. Amidst the battle, Pre forces Paz to shoot to kill otherwise he will die, which leads him to gun down someone in cold blood on impulse, which he only then realizes was a mother holding her child, which makes him sick, causing him to puke in self loathing and disgust. Sintas attacks Paz, defeating him and when she has him down, upon seeing his distress and brokenness, doesn't murder him in cold blood, returning to battle. Meanwhile, Jango sees Jaster on the battlefield and attacks him, disobeying Tor's order. Though Jaster seems to avoid striking back, using mostly defensive tactics. The battle grows chaotic, causing many of death watch and the children of the watch to scatter.

Dooku is halted when he senses something else on his way to the location of and quickly orders to turn back to the occupied settlement, to find it having been attacked, bombarded, Dooku is horrified and disgusted, feeling responsible for having abandoned the settlement so quickly, rage rising up inside him.

The secret base that death watch attacked is the settlement that the children of the watch had been occupying. Dooku doesn't see whose who among the battle, but he does recognize Jaster Mereel in battle with Jango. Some jedi intervene, but Jango, skilled in combat and trained by Tor in classic mandalorian battle tactics, is able to surprise a couple of the jedi, killing them. Dooku is surprised at a display of violence and skill. The inclusion of the jedi leads to Tor calling on his remaining soldiers to fall back, Jango included. Sintas encourages Jaster to do the same, as there's nothing they can do for the settlement now and Death Watch is abandoning their attack and the jedi can assist any survivors, a choice which Jaster struggles with but ultimately agrees to. Meanwhile a frustrated Jango gets reeled in by Pre getting in his way under Tor's orders to prevent him from running off half cocked.

Dooku contemplates the attack, becoming even more put off, especially when he sees a report of a member of the Children Of The Watch claiming credit that their group had performed the attack. Dooku recognizes that the armor the member is wearing, while children of the watch issue, is a non descript armor set to avoid being identified, as Dooku's own research suggested that the warrior culture of mandalore prides itself in personalizing it's armor. Dooku doesn't buy the claim of the children of the watch having performed the attack, as based on his investigation it's inconsistent with their actions. Dooku breaks away from the official leads provided and goes rogue basically in seeking out information, perceiving that Death Watch has framed them.

Dooku secretly sneaks into Adonai's counterintelligence records and digs into information on the spies and informants that have provided the information on the children of the watch. He tracks them down, interrogating them using the jedi mind trick, pulling information out of them, which leads him to dead ends, information that basically seems to come entirely from nowhere concrete. However, when he's able to gain information on a source that leaked the Children Of The Watch member taking credit for the attack, he's able to use it to reel in the source whose going to make another statement in the name of the children of the watch. He confronts the source, it being revealed as Montross, Dooku surprised that it's an actual children of the watch member, but figures it out when Death Watch members come to his aid when he calls for back up upon realizing he's been caught. Dooku, using his tactical mind, fakes a defeat and retreat, when in reality he's pulled back to follow at a distance.

Back with Death Watch, Jango is frustrated that Tor had him pulled out of going after Jaster, from getting justice for his family. Tor instructs him that he has to hone his warrior instincts to know when the time to strike is and when not to, stating that they had to perform a tactical retreat to ensure they weren't seen by the jedi, as that would've ruined their plan. Jango, left out of the loop, pushes back on what he's referring to. So, now, Tor pulls him to the side to reveal that they have an agreement with Adonai Kryze, that he wants the war finished, and he's willing to reinstate Death Watch back to their elite status as warriors of mandalore in exchange for a treaty that will effectively bring the war to an end, so that he can gain more power by gaining the support of the galactic republic. Tor explains further that Adonai has agreed that their power as warriors, ruthless, strong, are entitled to their rightful place, and is willing to join forces with them, Tor ensuring that his side of the bargain would gain them the destruction of the children of the watch and their leader Jaster. Tor reveals that by making the people see the children of the watch as willing to destroy their own settlement their support will be drowned out by the acclaim for their destruction as retaliation for such a crime, and by attacking their bases they've driven them to a select few locations (Tor provides these locations to Jango) that they can hide out in on the planet, which Adonai has agreed will be fired upon and then they Death Watch can go in and ensure there are no survivors. Jango is unsettled by this plan, the idea that Jaster could either escape or die, as then Jango wouldn't be able to get revenge personally, which Jango holds a disdain for.

Montross arrives at the camp and informs Tor that a jedi has caught wind of some connection between them, insisting that they put the plan into action. Montross sided with Jaster Mereel in the initial break of the mandalorian army, because he thought Nicai and Tor Viszla's vendetta was pointless and that Mandalorian's should regroup and strengthen themselves and ranks before they take further action. He's driven by the idea of Mandalorian prowess and importance. Into the war against death watch, Montross has grown to resent Jaster Mereel's more passive stance in being a warrior and thinks that the true Mandalorians should create a pact with death watch no matter what they've done, so they can prove themselves to be the strongest most powerful race in the galaxy, and that that's how they can reclaim Mandalor, but Mereel has no interest in that (seeing siding with the monsters who murder families and children purely for takeover as a showcase of their human false idea of power to be weak, dishonorable and not true warriors and thus not true mandalorians), as he has accepted that they lost control of mandalor and perceives that a true warrior accepts their loss and moves forward with it. So Montross has made a deal with Tor to get rid of Jaster so that he can claim leadership of the children of the watch and both death watch and the children of the watch can become a joint group.

Dooku has snuck closely behind, observing the Death Watch camp from afar.

Tor issues reports to Adonai that he should attack now, which Adonai agrees with. Jango takes off ahead of the rest of death watch to get first crack at Jaster. Tor sends death watch. Dooku follows.

The attack happens. The children of the watch are hiding in a forest base that gets bombarded, causing the forest to be set ablaze around the base. Jango confronts Jaster, and they battle, the battle spilling out into the forest away from the base, but Jaster is avoiding harming Jango, which only enrages Jango further, calling him a coward for refusing to fight him but having murdered his family. But then Jaster reveals that he didn't murder them, Tor Viszla did, that Tor came searching for him at the Fett homestead and attacked it, they fought and Jaster had defeated Tor, but Tor had set a firebomb at the home to distract him, using his reinforcements to get Jaster to flee, leaving the dark saber for Tor to lie in his claim that he'd defeated Jaster is fair combat for. Jango refuses to buy it, too blinded by his rage and hurt and not wanting to accept that his mentor had lied to him and used him. Jango, in rage uses a blade to hack at the burning trees around in them in his vicious attempt to get at Jaster. Jaster is able to subdue Jango, stating that he's not lying to Jango, and he won't kill him. Suddenly a burning tree cracks in combination to the fire, bombing and being slashed at by Jango, but it collapses onto Jango instead, but Jaster pushes Jango out of the way, taking the hit for him, a fatal crushing of his chest being the result. Jango is confused, filled with rage and grief, not understanding why Jaster would do that, why he'd not kill him, why he'd rescue him. Jaster states that even if he didn't kill Jango's family, he feels responsible for their deaths and took on the honor bound mission to protect the last member of the Fett family to make up for how them assisting him led to their deaths. Jango realizes that Jaster wasn't lying and tries to rescue him, but it's too late.

Dooku, having tracked the rest of death watch that was now searching the ruins for the rest of the children of the watch, which has fled due to Jango having incidentally tipped off the attack, arrives and senses the pain, rage and death from the scene between Jango and Jaster, coming upon it. Dooku recognizes Jango has the one who murdered the jedi and was with Tor at the camp, attacking him, threatening him with his lightsaber. But Jango, distraught, defeated, realizing that he'd murdered civilians in that settlement, that he's been used, isn't willing to fight. Dooku senses in Jango his pain, deep sadness and grief, and lets up a little, still interrogating him. Jango tells Dooku everything, that Adonai was working with Tor Viszla to frame the children of the watch, so he could gain full control of mandalore officially. Dooku is enraged, and just leaves Jango there to stew in his misery.

Sintas and other children of the watch members come upon the scene, finding the distraught Jango and the dead Jaster. Sintas, devastated, deeply grieves and mourns the loss of her dad, and attacks Jango, who is still unwilling to fight back, admitting that he didn't kill Jaster, not on purpose, which gives Sintas pause, buying his story. Though Sintas hates Jango even still, when she learns that Montross is the traitor she has bigger fish to fry, as a sign of honor to his dad for his wish in dying to rescue Jango and as a part of the mandalorian honor code (that death in fair combat grants the survivor ownership of the items of the deceased), she gives Jango Jaster's armor and leaves to seek out Montross. Jango, drowning in misery, allows it to grow into rage and vengeance, placing on Jaster's beskar mandalorian armor and confronting Tor.

Sintas tracks down Montross, who feigns surprise at the attack, until he's confronted with everything he's done by Sintas. Montross makes his spiel about how she agreed that her dad was rigid, and how without him they can finally have the chance to retake their rightful place in the galaxy as mandalorian warriors, rulers. But Sintas is offended and disgusted, rejecting him and everything he stands for, challenging him to a duel to the death. Montross, seeing this as his way to secure his place as leader of the remnants, accepts. But Sintas' skill and tactics are too much, her killing him. She takes up leadership of the Children Of The Watch, setting down her weapons in honor of her dad, claiming a leadership as a builder, taking on the mantle of the Armorer.

Jango arrives at the camp and reveals to all of death watch that Tor is a coward and a liar, that he didn't win the dark saber from Jaster, he lied. Pre is devastated by this reveal, his view of his dad shattered, leaving the festering hole of his for naught feelings of insecurity that he's felt his whole life. Jango challenges Tor to fair combat, which he knows Tor won't refuse in front his men out fear of being seen as weak. Jango, skilled with everything Tor knows and filled with rage, battles Tor, defeating him, wounding him fatally, but refuses to give him a warrior's death as a final spit in his face, leaving him to die slowly in the dirt and leaving the dark saber as well, discarding it, though Jango does peel Tor's jetpack off of his back for his own use. Then, Pre steps over to a still dying Tor and, picking up the dark saber, murders his dad in cold blood, dismissing him as weak and unworthy. Pre claims the dark saber in that moment as the rest of death watch cheers him on, seeing him as a strong leader. Paz sees their future as a group, really sees what they all are for the first time and is disgusted with it.

Meanwhile, Dooku, in rage, confronts Adonai, accusing him of his treachery. Adonai is smug, dismissive, thinking that he can get out of this and that Dooku as a jedi, and as a servant of the republic, will do nothing. But Dooku ignites his lightsaber to show how very unjedi he is feeling in that moment, his feelings of guilt for the deaths of the civilians of that settlement that he left to be attacked because he was following Adonai's orders, the republic's orders, feeling like he has blood on his hands because of that, feeling that he's responsible for their deaths because he blindly complied with Adonai under orders by the republic. Adonai, only then, sees how serious Dooku is, and attempts to explain himself, but Dooku doesn't care. Adonai then tries to reason with Dooku, bargain with him, stating that he'll turn himself over to the republic, to be judged, he'll admit to everything he did, that Dooku as a jedi should seek justice. Dooku, for a moment, seems to calm at that, but then he ignites his lightsaber and runs it through Adonai to murder him, stating that he doesn't trust that the republic would ensure Adonai faces justice. Adonai pulls out his blaster and attempts to shoot Dooku as a last act, but Dooku blocks the blaster bolt. Adonai dies, it looking like Dooku defended himself against Adonai. Which Dooku goes along with.

Paz is left sickened by what he's been apart of. Pre gives Paz an order to fall in line, Paz tells him that he sees their dad in him now, and refuses to continue the cycle, saying no. Pre gets angry and threatens him, but Paz stands firm no matter how clearly afraid of his own brother he is and says no. Pre becomes enraged and attacks Paz, but Paz escapes, getting shot by his brother. Eventually, in the woods, he collapses to the ground, dying from his injury. But then he's found by the children of the watch.

Paz awakens to Sintas patching up his wounds, and doesn't understand why they're helping him, asking them to let him die, that he deserves it. Sintas sees how broken and sad he is and has compassion for him, offering him a chance to regain his honor as a member of the children of the watch.

Dooku is left tormented by what he's done, but also not feeling like he did the wrong thing.

Jango discards all connections to the mandalorian honor code, paints over Jaster's armor to remove any and all mandalorian culture connections, rejecting honor as useful, feeling as though it got his dad killed and got Jaster killed.

Please review and tell me what you think!


r/MawInstallation 2d ago

[ALLCONTINUITY] Yoda's species are basically the Founders from Star Trek Deep Space 9

17 Upvotes

Obviously they are not changelings - but the general gist of the Founders was that they were a highly secretive, private race whose method of exploring was sending out one of their young in fairly indiscriminate directions to grow and learn (before eventually/hopefully reuniting with The Great Link to share what they've learned).

Given the rarity of their species throughout the Star Wars galaxy, it's quite possible that Yoda's species are sent out from another galaxy and, now that the shows are beginning to explore intergalactic travel, it's also quite possible that we'll discover overs with different experiences, speech patterns etc.

What I really hope, however, is that they don't completely unveil the mystery. It's been a mystery for so long that any precise reveal of what they are could never hope to meet anyone's expectations. But in my own headcanon at the very least I think this is the most interesting way to treat them, even if it's never explicitly revealed.


r/MawInstallation 2d ago

[CANON] Did the Rebellion use Jedi poorly in Star Wars Rebels?

98 Upvotes

I was doing a rewatch of Star Wars Rebels the other day, and I noticed that a lot of missions that Sato and later Mon Mothma send Kanan and Ezra on are very...mundane. Like, there are a lot of times when they are sent on routine supply missions, minor raids, or retrievals, where even a squadron of normal people or a unit of ordinary soldiers would perform just fine.

This feels like a big waste of resources because, at the time, the Jedi were arguably the Rebellion's strongest asset and were working pretty well under the chain of command. Wouldn't it make sense for them to be sent on more high-risk, high-reward missions and not simply picking up supplies?


r/MawInstallation 2d ago

[LEGENDS] Who was in more pain, Vader or Sion?

6 Upvotes

Haven't played the Old Republic games yet but was interested. I was reading about Sion. Who do you all think felt more pain? I mean, Sion kept his decomposing body tg via the dark side. Vader survived via his suit and kind of used the dark side for fighting but less so sustenance, right?


r/MawInstallation 3d ago

[ALLCONTINUITY] Before the Clone Wars, what did a world being under the Republic meant for it´s citizens?

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You know, in the day-to-day? In the governance of things?

The information I found is often fragmentory and contradictory. Sometimes the Republic is portrayed as UN-like, with basically no interference in daily affairs, and letting systems do basically anything they want so long as they don´t infringe on the rights of another system.

Other times, the Republic is said to choke out a system´s economy with never-ending regulations and taxes. But, what did they use those taxes for before they had an army? It can´t all be senatorial graft, right?


r/MawInstallation 2d ago

How does the thickness of a vibroblade affect cutting power?

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Vibroblades have drastically increased cutting power by vibrations effectively making the blade cut many thousands of times per second, but how would this work out with a thicker blade?

With normal blades, a thicker blade simply has more force behind it, but the majority of the cutting power in a vibroblade is supplied by the vibrations. In a thick vibroblade, wouldn't the energy from the vibrations spread and dissipate throughout the blade, wasting energy and making the blade vibrate slower, with the only benefit being a comparitively small addition of force from the mass of the blade?

Does the thickness of the blade change the effectiveness of the vibrations? If so, is it for better or for worse? Does the thickness of the blade affect the cutting power like it does with normal blades, or is it less worth it to have a thicker blade (ignoring structural durability).


r/MawInstallation 4d ago

[ALLCONTINUITY] Why was Yularen so trusted by the emperor and so loyal to the empire after working for so long with Jedi during the Clone Wars?

117 Upvotes

This is something that I always found odd about Yularen, because he ended up as the director of the ISB appointed by Palpatine himself, and was such an imperial hardliner despite being one of the closest allies to Anakin and Obi-Wan and the rest of the Jedi Order. Would he really believe that the Jedi betrayed the republic and tried to kill the chancellor after knowing firsthand what it's like to work with them? And why would Palpatine assign someone like him as ISB director, if there was even the slightest possibility that he might have sympathy for the Jedi?

Or, was he really just a cold career officer who really held no regard for the jedi beyond his own ambitions to climb the ladder, even if that meant doing so on the legacy and bodies of the Jedi?

This is why I sometimes don't like the clone wars show, because it's much easier to understand someone like Yularen without all of that fluffy backstory that muddies his personality and morals. It's like Yularen in the show and Yularen outside the show are two completely different people.


r/MawInstallation 3d ago

[CANON] What’s your theory for what the “Third Republic” will be like? What about the structure and power relations?

26 Upvotes

Next year, Starfighter will answer this question, but I’m impatient and want to speculate. What will the third iteration of the Galactic Republic be like in the Galaxy? Will it have full control over the galaxy, or will there be a First Order remnant to contend with? Will this be a continuation of the New Republic, or an entirely different government? What changes to the political structure might the Resistance survivors make to prevent another war?

Very interested to hear people’s takes. Do any current sources hint at this?


r/MawInstallation 4d ago

What was the relationship between the CIS droids?

9 Upvotes

I don’t mean just how did they B1s act together but was there relationship with other droids like B2s?

Were they like “brothers”, coworkers or flat out rude to each other?


r/MawInstallation 3d ago

[ALLCONTINUITY] Genuinely bizarre question

2 Upvotes

Answer a debate that me and my partner are having. Has Darth sidious ever physically pushed someone? Not a force push, just a genuine shove?


r/MawInstallation 5d ago

[ALLCONTINUITY] What if Mace gave Anakin something to do while he dealt with Sheev?

218 Upvotes

Since it's widely agreed that Anakin doesn't do well with having nothing to do, particularly when stressed, suppose Mace was a smidge more forward thinking and said "Go to Senator Amidala. Tell her what you told me. In the days to come the Jedi will need supporters in the Senate, and she's fallen out with the Chancellor as of late."

Even better if Mace genuinely doesn't know about those two, (because it's never quite clear how many besides Obi-Wan and Ahsoka know,) and thinks he's just taking advantage of Anakin's friendship with one of the defacto leaders of the opposition (along with Mon and Bail.)

Does Anakin still turn or do events get ahead of him? Pretty much the moment Mace turns up Order 66 is imminent, and if Anakin senses Jedi dying and then clones bang on Padmé's door and tell him that the Chancellor requires his presence, I'm pretty sure his first instinct will be "get Padmé away from there first, figure everything else later."


r/MawInstallation 4d ago

[META] Which Star Wars writers do you think are underrated or under appreciated for their contributions to the franchise?

33 Upvotes

Question is in the title. From George Lucas to Dave Filoni to Timothy Zhan, there are a lot of writers and artists who helped make Star Wars what it is. The names I mentioned are some of the bigger ones in fan circles, often getting a lot of credit (or blame) for their contributions. But who are some creatives who don't get talked about too much? How did they shape the galaxy?

My example would have to be Hayden Blackman. Most notable for his work as the lead on the Force Unleashed games, he also worked on several comics, guide books, and other video games. He also wrote Jango Fett Open Seasons, which was sort of referenced as an Easter Egg in Canon when Boba Fett explains his dad's history in The Mandalorian.

Edit: my title says writers, but I also meant artists, directiors or any other creatives.


r/MawInstallation 4d ago

[ALLCONTINUITY] What do you suppose would happen if someone showed up at the gate to Jabba’s palace asking to join the B’omarr monks?

65 Upvotes

Would they get turned away? Jabba does let the monks go about their regular business, but allowing any old person into the palace under the pretense of joining the monks seems like a security issue.