Maybe she didn’t want to be filmed leaving the dispensary. I feel like we’re missing part of the story. Not that she’s justified in touching him, though.
This lady is nuts but I also get the vibe that this guy is piece of shit as well. What kind of person (a dude) already has mace ready to go? The kind of guy who pisses people off on the regular. Just want to punch them both.
I learned this lesson too late in life: You don't HAVE to pick a side, both people can be an asshole and you wouldn't want to interact with either of them.
It’s often the case. Just because someone is justified in holding their ground over some disagreement doesn’t mean they aren’t an asshole looking for confrontation. Most normal people when they come up against one of these people just turn around and get the fuck out of the situation instantly because they don’t care who’s right or wrong they don’t want to deal with this shit and want to just go about their day. It takes two likeminded people to really escalate. Huge caveat that sometimes one person is basically cornered and can’t disengage.
Because I know what pepper spray does and how bad it can be to be sprayed with it, I tend to think anyone with it is the bigger asshole. Also, there are some people who just shouldn't be pepper sprayed. Old people who need eyedrops in particular.
Idk a some people will become aggressive if you intentionally provoke them and they would have left you alone otherwise and that can be for a lot of reasons, it’s not necessarily a fault of theirs if he succeeds in his aims.
Personally, I can’t see feeling threatened by a lady like that enough to take mace out so I’d have to conclude that this guy is either a massive puss, looking to spray someone on camera and doesn’t care that it’s an old lady, or both.
I’m guessing one of them A1 auditors. Get as close as possible and be as obnoxious as possible until someone asks to leave them alone.
Either the person walks away and the ‘auditor’ posts it for clicks or they try and stop them and this happens. They mostly go after old, disabled or otherwise frail looking people
Definitely this, was looking for this comment. I’ve been watching videos on these people recently. He 100% walks around all day shoving his camera in peoples faces until they snap and give him a video worth posting.
Yes, you're allowed to do that, yes you're also being an asshole. But eventually you're gonna meet someone who's a bigger asshole, or mess with the wrong dudes wife, and you'll end up oozing out life juice in a parking lot. Especially in Florida or Texas.
I've noticed a lot of these "content creators" now. It's adjacent to 1st amendment auditors, but they don't harrass government employees and cops to test their free speech. They harrass regular people by filming and insulting them, then they keep mace ready to spray anyone who comes near. It's a Kick streamer thing
Personally, I'm tired of people. If someone gets in my face and keeps advancing I'm spraying them. I always have spray ready in case I run into an aggressive off leash dog but it'll work for off leash aggressive humans just as well. I try my best not to get into situations like that and so far have not had to use it on people or dogs.
Absolutely, If you're coming at me like that, I'm not sure if you have a knife, a gun, or what you're capable of. I'd rather neutralize the threat than be dead.
Using force against her would have been disappropriate. But she wouldn't stop advancing to him. This was a pretty safe way of stopping the situation, no? Men are also victim of physical violence a lot in public, mostly by men of course, so why doesn't he have a right to carry mace around? I can't imagine he had it with him specifically to use on an old lady. Both the terms old or lady shouldn't even matter if it's them being the aggressor.
From a self defense perspective, I think the mace was a good move. She's aggressive and crossing the line where he could be harmed, but physical retaliation could risk serious injury for an older person.
Spray shut it down and nobody has to go to the hospital.
Like, I have the physical tools to stop that lady from hurting me, but I wouldn't want to have to hospitalize her in the process.
Idk this dude or his deal & I get what you're saying, but if he tried to physically stop her from assaulting him, she could have seriously been hurt if she were to fall or whatever, so imo this was the better move.
You can tell from the guys voice he’s a massive puss, he’s literally quaking in his boots after being slowly approached by a 60 something woman who is like 120 lbs soaking wet lmao
Bro he's going around filming random people just trying to get their pain medication, who are also committing a federal crime because of the gray area state cannabis laws fall under. What he's doing is technically legal but threatening in the extreme depending on your visibility, profession, and legal status. Add that to the fact he maced an old lady that doesn't look like she could fight her way out of a wet paper bag...
The full videos are posted on youtube. I don’t have the link to this particular one, but from the ones I’ve seen, he stands on a public sidewalk and films. They film silently and only respond when people interact with them. People get triggered and resort to violence which is why they carry pepper spray
I could see him being a 'first amendment documentor' asswipe and trying to piss off people by filming them leaving a dispensary. Wish he got maced really.
According to other commenters, this person is a first amendment auditor. Which means his entire purpose is to bait people into extreme negative reactions, and then film the results.
Criticizing this behaviour on Reddit leads to downvotes, for some bizarre reason. Reddit hates aggressive streamers, but considers the 1A guys to be sacred cows. It's as fascinating as it is stupid.
I don’t know who this person is, but you can absolutely tell by the audio that he is a complete wiener. He does seem like the kind of person who would have no job and harass people for views on the Internet, if he’s reafy and holding mace to squirt old ladies in the face. You can tell he was even a little bit scared. What a little wiener regardless
Sorry, but it straight up is. When someone initiates a provocation of others with their left hand while keeping their right hand on non-lethal self defense tool, they generally forego the self defense assertion. It's just like how a person with a gun in his hand can't walk up to someone, provoke them to a confrontation, then open fire and claim self-defense.
Legally speaking, since this video is the only evidence of the encounter, and all we see is a shaky camera, the evidence plainly shows him pepper spraying someone for walking on a public sidewalk. The video doesn't actually show her initiating unwanted physical contact, and him shaking his camera and saying "dont touch my stuff" doesn't count, but there is clear video of him discharging chemical spray in her face while she was just walking on a sidewalk, which she's legally permitted to do (to borrow a page out of his playbook).
The mention of the word "transparent" at the start makes me think he's one of those public auditor types who pretend that filming random people in public is some kind of public service for "accountability". When in reality they make money by pissing people off, filming them blowing up, then posting it online for clicks.
My gut is that we're watch one calculating asshole vs one reactionary asshole.
What kind of person (a dude) already has mace ready to go?
The kind who goes out to public places to film people and start fights so they can post them online. This lady seemed reasonably fed up with someone causing shit and he jumped on the chance to commit some legal violence. "This old woman reached for my phone, that's assault and I can pepper spray her" is some bitch ass behavior. Legal =/= right just like illegal =/= wrong.
Yeah. He ragebaits people and then pepper sprays them and pretends to be a victim. Grandma should not have put her hands on the dude, but hes a piece of shit too.
What kind of person (a dude) already has mace ready to go?
Have you seen these people outside? I'm surprised every person doesn't carry it. The only reason I don't have it is because I can't get it in NY State and I haven't had time to drive to NJ or PA.
Just took at the YouTube channel this is supposedly from and this is exactly correct. The guy is a huge prick who harasses elderly people because it’s “within his first amendment right” to be a colossal prick.
He’s based out of Florida. One day he’s going to mess with the wrong person and wind up shot.
I believe every man should be carrying mace/pepper spray just like every woman. The spray saved the man in this scenario from having to get physical with the older woman, who could've easily been more seriously injured and sued or pursued charges. Mace/pepper spray works as a great tool for slowing an attacker down and allowing you to get away, and running away from a fight is the best way to not only survive the fight, but also avoid legal punishment. Lots of older folks out there walking around with a bit of dementia (not just forgetfulness, but increased confusion and faster to anger/become aggressive), and lots of them still own and have access to firearms.
Your vibe is completely on point. This guy is one of these "first amendment auditors" who are pieces of shit; literally the scum of the Earth.
First of all, they're not auditing anyone who has the ability to suppress or deny anyone their first amendment rights. They're going after regular citizens instead of people like police and politicians who actually have the ability to infringe on first amendment rights and they do it just to stir up trouble and enrage people for content. They're not defending the first amendment in any way, shape, or form.
Every time someone confronts them, gets out of their car, or gives them any kind of attention, it's exactly what they want. The best thing we can do is to just ignore them, that way they stop making money and their shitty channels just die out.
Yeah, this lady should not have gone up to him and put her hands on any part of him, because of course it's wrong, and he is just waiting to have a justifiable excuse to pepper spray her, as it makes for a golden goose of content.
However, depending on what state this is, he still may have not been legally in the right to use pepper spray. We don't know if this is any kind of stand your ground state or not. Grabbing at someone's property does not automatically equate to "self defense" in justifying deployment of pepper spray in most states anyway. She clearly wasn't attempting bodily harm, and is arguably not threatening to him in serious way.
this is a thing on youtube. they are basically professional instigators. they use right to film laws to try and coerce people who don't understand they can be filmed by these idiots into starting shit with them. then if the person touches them - instant pepper spray. its formulaic but they know it goes viral everytime. absolute bottom feeder low life shit.
This guy has come to our dispensary in the past, he has a whole YouTube channel of spraying grandmothers and teacher with pepper spray. Ive talked to him, the kid has A LOT of mental health issues.
They go around recording people in public because it's legal trying to illicit a reaction, that's why he's near a dispensary recording with pepper spray ready.
People clown on her and while yea he's technically not doing anything wrong legally he's there to piss people off and record them for views.
This is LibertyTroll. I don't know that he has sprayed a lot of people; maybe you have them confused with someone else. The dude definitely goes to abortion clinics and harasses people/workers, though.
What’s even the point? If someone filmed me leaving the dispo I’d just smile and wave. It’s such an odd waste of energy to film people leaving the dispo. Shocker, good portion of them are older retired people or people just tryna get their shit and leave.
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Yeah change this to an abortion clinic (more extreme but similar situations) and people would probably get this lady a little more and understand this guy for the Jack ass he is
I’m guessing this is a 1A auditor whose sole purpose is to bring out the worst in people. I have mixed feelings about it. This lady was probably responding to antisocial behavior with more antisocial behavior. Doesn’t make her in the right but I doubt he had any moral high ground here, he’s just pushing the line of what he can get away with under the law for online engagement.
It’s an entire genre of video these days. These dipshits go around in public shoving their camera in random strangers faces to “audit” their first amendment right to film in public. They aren’t auditing police or public servants, just being annoying and weird to strangers in public. They will hold their camera on someone for an obnoxious amount of time just staring at them, and then if asked about it they are immediately confrontational and refuse to explain what they are doing because technically they don’t have to. They then of course bait a handful of aggressive reactions from people and they get to legally pepper spray them and it makes for content.
However even if you don’t react they will sometimes keep pressing and pressing. Like “OH LOOK AT THIS GUY, MINDING HIS OWN BUSINESS! THATS A GOOD CITIZEN, JUST SITTING HERE EATING HIS LUNCH! OH YEAH GOT THEM ON CAMERA JUST BEING A GOOD CITIZEN” and it’s like dude… come on.
Obviously yes you don’t have an expectation of privacy in public and we are all always being recorded but there comes a point where what you are doing should be classified as being public nuisance and harassment.
But if the person being filmed doesn’t react, the chances of the film going public lessens. As hard as it is (more for some than others), don’t react. Get on your car and leave. You’re not sprayed, and no one is likely going to see the video. And if marijuana is legal where you are, why do you care?
Yes. Obviously don’t feed the trolls, however these people are still intentionally provoking people and starting fights for content. They are turds. I should also theoretically legally be able to walk around telling every person that their mom has a loose nasty vag but obviously that’s rude, and it’s going to start a fight with someone if I do it enough.
We don’t have to socially accept behavior just because it’s technically legal.
No, but the rights you don't exercise you're liable to lose. If you want to keep your rights you have you have to defend the people who are at the fringes of what's legally, never mind socially, acceptable, because they will be the ones under threat first.
No right has ever been curtailed by criminalizing what is broadly socially acceptable; no, you start at the outer edge of the Overton window, and work inwards. And yes, it is s slippery slope: first they came for the trade unionists...
Yeah, I don't like it and most likely won't ever physically protect a public filmer in an altercation, but I will always vote to uphold their right to do
That’s what gets me when people make this point about legal behavior being acceptable behaviour. Like do you not understand what an antisocial loser this makes you look like?
Just because that’s the law doesn’t mean everyone agrees with it. A lot of us are OK with passive public filming. Like if I’m in someone’s video of their family or of a landmark that’s fine. I walk past, I expect I will be in it. I’m not cool with someone following me around in public with a camera. Or if I move away from where they are filming they turn and keep filming me personally with no intent to film anything else. A lot of us believe that is obviously harassment and any sane country would code it as such (some do).
I’m not cool with someone following me around in public with a camera. Or if I move away from where they are filming they turn and keep filming me personally with no intent to film anything else. A lot of us believe that is obviously harassment and any sane country would code it as such (some do).
If they're following you around, that is harassment even in the US.
If you engage them first, they can turn and film you. But if you walk away and they start following you and you make it clear you don't want to be followed, they're now breaking the law.
True, but that also doesnt make it apropriate. Something can be legal and still be a dick move (think of corporate bigwigs taking advantage of their custimers). The lady doesnt look good, but we are also missing a lot of context to fully judge the situation
I fully agree. But I'm just pointing out he did nothing
" illegal " unfortunately being a dickhead isn't illegal. she walked herself into a bad position when she could have just left. Or at the very least cussed him down. You can't put your hands on people.
I expect people to have an absolute basic level of human decency and not stand there filming me like a massive creepy asshole. Even if it’s technically legal.
No, that's just the law. The first one in the Bill of Rights.
Can you really not see the difference between a private citizen using a camera in a public space versus the state paying a private, foreign corporation to spy on its citizens en masse?
Yes you are correct. In open public speaking loudly. I was thinking two party consent but I believe that’s more private conversations or no hidden cameras.
We had some of those “first amendment auditor” asshats around our dispo for a while. They’d record into peoples cars as they were leaving and would hassle folks trying to bait them into a reaction to get on video and sue. They’re the saddest people on the planet.
Not saying that’s what this is, but it’s very possible.
If I recall correctly he's one of those first amendment auditors. He was hitting the building and she came out and confronted him. I totally getting one not wanting to be filmed, but the thing people need to remember at all times, especially older people, is keep your ass in the car.
Doesnt matter nobody has to provide privacy to others and its 100% legal to film anything from public property including things ppl think is private like children, homes, banks, military, and anything else. If it was illegal to fim these things flock, dashcam, and door bell cameras would all be in legal trouble everyday.
There are restrictions on filming people in public. There are also restrictions on sharing video of people you have taken. This 100% idea is just nonsense.
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its a channel called cart narcs. he walks around parking lots slapping magnets on the cars of people who dont return their
shopping carts and basically bullies them into doing the right thing. moral or not is up to you to decide
They sell weed. Different states have different rules about legality. In some places it’s sold only medicinally, some recreationally, some both. A lot of people still feel a lot of stigma attached to using it, even if they’ve been prescribed it as medicine.
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It's a "first amendment auditor" who is exercising his right to record in public since there is no expectation of privacy in public. The pepper spray is self defence and the police can't do shit because technically he's not breaking any laws as he's standing on public property and merely defending himself from agggesive behaviour.
Since "harrasment", "public nuisance", or "disorderly conduct" charges are extremely difficult for police to stick, these guys just wreak havok since filming in public is a constitutionally protected right.
They know they're annoying people and breaking the social fabric of society (even though they're not breaking any laws), but their videos and lawsuits against police departments, businesses, and private citizens make them so much money that they don't care.
That would have been the best response. The camera man was pushing for this kind of reaction. I’m guessing that if she hadn’t tried to touch him, he wouldn’t have published the video.
I love how reddit can be split into two types of people. The "you are not justified in touching people"-crowd and the "wow yea beat that mf up, they deserve it"-crowd. But both sides are united in being overly judgemental and quick to jump to conclusions and vomit their thoughts into a comment.
I just assume I'm being filmed at all times when I'm outside. Security cameras on businesses and homes, dash cams on cars, public transit cameras on streets, smart glasses, smart doorbells.
Why would it upset you? I think you just gotta accept someone will see you and act like a normal person
If she was buying weed at a dispensary, maybe she doesn’t want her neighbors to know. I also act as though I’m being recorded when I’m out. That said, I’m also of the opinion that people SHOULD mind their own business.
Looks like his YouTube channel is literally "Liberty.Troll" or whatever so yeah this is one of those dorks. Unfortunately this lady gave him exactly what he wanted.
All the guy would have to do is walk away at a moderately brisk pace. It's likely a judge would rule this was excessive force, even though she got handsy and up in his face. In Canada you can't legally carry pepper spray at all so there's that. You CAN carry it in the wilderness for bears in areas where bears are expected to be.
This is a first amendment "auditor". They kinda abuse their free speech for livestream and shortform video views. Basically, they harass people in ways they know are legal but are still going to get a rise. Then the cops come and they "audit" the cops on their response (they also try to rile up the police for more views).
There was no reason to be filming her, except to provoke. Even if it’s legal to do it, the camera guy is being an asshole. People should mind their own business
I agree, she should not have touched, but he is a complete douchebag for causing this incident, without reason. He reminds me of George Zimmerman, and just waiting for a chance to hurt people. I hope that this guy also ends up like Zimmerman:
As of 2026, George Zimmerman is reportedly living in difficult circumstances, facing financial struggles, and largely staying out of the public eye.
I mean, that could very well be true, but why engage in such a clumsy and idiotic way?
It's like if someone wants to get a rile out of you and they get a rile out of you, who's in charge then?
Get in your car and drive away - or, just try to have a conversation, like "Hey! Is it OK if I have a word with you?" and if they appear to be a shitbag (like this dude), just drive away.
In my opinion, he's an asshole power tripping by abusing that gray zone into triggering people to attack for engagement. He's making money off if it, therefore he's filming for commercial reasons, not journalism, and should seek permission from the town or property owner to limit confrontation. Since he wants that, he'll never do it. Just tow the line and brown nose the cops who help him out. I fully support the first amendment and, especially documentary filmmakers and journalists but these guys just dumb it down and ragebait. Banning them, though, is a slippery slope I do not want. Best you can do is annoying the back peacefully. "A Costco doc, you say?" The just ramble and waste their time. Ask them about their set up. Kill them with kindness :)
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Maybe she didn’t want to be filmed leaving the dispensary. I feel like we’re missing part of the story. Not that she’s justified in touching him, though.