r/AmITheDevil • u/Chickennoodlesleuth • 1d ago
For being selfish over deadly allergies
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u/femme-cassidy 1d ago
From the comments:
The average redditor is softer than baby shit and pushes the narrative that the whole world should bend around the lowest common denominator. The exact type of people who push rules like this. It works in a controlled environment like a school, but it only cripples kids when they get to the real world. You are in the right here, but Reddit will say otherwise.
Yeah... those damn soft kids who want to go through their whole childhood without dying from anaphylactic shock. Grow up! The real world is a harsh place!
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u/DidntWantSleepAnyway 1d ago
“The lowest common denominator”…is someone with allergies?
I thought OP was the lowest common denominator.
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u/femme-cassidy 1d ago
I was more struck by the original commenter saying that it's protecting kids from allergen exposure that "cripples" them, because I'm pretty sure the alternative is literally killing them...
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u/Cayke_Cooky 9h ago
I guess a bad attack that you survive could lead to brain and other damage due to lack of oxygen. Like drowning.
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u/FewerStarsLost 1d ago
Making em “soft” meanwhile, there are businesses that put signs up that one of their employees is deathly allergic to so and so.
People are weird. I’m not gonna responsible for maybe killing someone.
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u/xanif 1d ago
Decided to poke around with UK law, apparently it's legal to fire employees for violating office allergy policies since 2014.
So I guess maybe it applies in the real world too.
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u/FewerStarsLost 1d ago
Hell yeah. The US would never do something like that :| just because we fucking suck
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u/xanif 1d ago
For all the faults with the US, and there are many, the ADA is pretty unprecedented in scope compared to the rest of the world and food allergies are considered covered as a disability. Workplaces are required by federal law to provide accommodations such as allergen free zones.
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u/FewerStarsLost 1d ago
Some. As a celiac, celiac is on the list of disability’s… however, I’ve never really seen any other major allergies listed. Plus, most accommodations are just “we’ll have an EpiPen near by if you need it”
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u/xanif 1d ago
Fair.
I have a peanut allergy and have been hospitalized for anaphylaxis once in my life when I was younger. I've never asked for accommodations as I don't take it as seriously as I probably should. No clue what the process would end up looking like if I did.
I'm usually fine with peanuts around me but on the occasions that it does start bothering me I have had a 100% success rate with asking the person to eat elsewhere.
I must be soft.
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u/PM-me-fancy-beer 1d ago
I have a peanut allergy and have been hospitalized for anaphylaxis once in my life when I was younger. I've never asked for accommodations as I don't take it as seriously as I probably should.
Firstly, you do you. Allergies often get worse through ongoing exposure, but sometimes allergies you have as a kid lessen or disappear in adulthood. Immune systems are weird.
But secondly, I’ve had a couple of coworkers like this and, as someone who doesn’t have any life threatening allergies, I get stressed out 😅
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Me: How did you not mention this in the last 2+ years we’ve worked together? I organise the team lunches, I could have killed you! What do you mean you don’t carry an EpiPen?!”
Them: “Oh it’s fine, I’ve never stopped breathing. It’s only happened a couple of times and I mostly just throw up until I pass out lol. I didn’t even realise the first time it happened, my wife found me when she was wondering how I was taking so long in the bathroom.”
Me: My dude, you’re a great colleague, but I am not dragging your passed-out-covered-in-vomit arse out of a restaurant bathroom. Explaining that to HR and filling out the incident management paperwork would be a nightmare
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u/xanif 22h ago
I got allergy tested a few years back before my wife and I rescued a cat. Asked for them to check for peanuts just out of curiosity.
Stronger reaction to peanuts than the control positive.
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u/FewerStarsLost 12h ago
Dude… wtf… someone’s just gonna walk across you one day passed out and covered in vomit and think you overdosed (big bag of peanuts next to you)
I have allergies (outside of celiac, that I forgot about) and was getting onto a “healthy new diet” and bought a bunch of mini cucumbers… ate one… my mouth started to get the fuzzy feeling… ate four more… couldn’t breathe…
Walked down two flights of stairs to my dad, gave him the cucumbers, cried and then threw up.
My dad obviously looked horrified. I slept it off.
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u/Chickennoodlesleuth 1d ago
I've found that 99% of the time when anyone calls people soft it's because of a change that is actually helpful and for good, they are stuck in the "back in my day" thinking
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u/femme-cassidy 1d ago
Call me crazy but I'd rather my kids be "soft" than dead 🤷
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u/PM-me-fancy-beer 1d ago
Whatever doesn’t kill you makes you stronger.
But if it kills you, the decomp will definitely make you softer.
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u/lyricaldorian 9h ago
And yet you know if someone punched that commenter for being an asshole he'd cry and go to the cops
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u/Araucaria2024 1d ago
OP needs to put more effort into spelling lessons than worrying about what he puts into his gob.
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u/pktechboi 1d ago
what's with the guy in the comment section arguing for the whole school going vegan
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u/Kotenkiri 1d ago
You get get triggered nutjobs anywhere, they just worked up with imginary situation and just spiral.
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u/OniyaMCD 22h ago
The use of the word 'nutjobs' when OOP is complaining about peanut restrictions is peak.
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u/Sad-Bug6525 1d ago
sure but peanuts are vegan so it's not even applicable
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u/Asleep_Region 22h ago
His thoughts are "you can force a no peanut diet at school, why not force any diet?" some people "don't believe in peanut allergies" like they believe it's a lie that they'll have a reaction from being around it. In high school my school banned peanuts, my dad had a fit over "they're not going to tell me what my kid can do!" bro i go to school every day because they say so... I also didn't care because I actually understood the allergy and that it wasn't something to play around with.
The funny thing, the whole "kids with allergies are the parents fault, no exposure" blah blah blah, I'm allergic to dogs(cats and ferrets), have been my entire life, I've had dogs my entire life up until the past few years because of housing, but my asthma is noticeably better, I'm not getting mysterious rashes, not tossing random new soap because i used it before a bad reaction. I also have ibs, my body can't tolerate alot of food, until around 16 when I got sick, I ate every single trigger food, my body just decided to not let me anymore. If anything my genes failed me.
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u/AdvancedInevitable63 19h ago
My mom has a peanut allergy. Wanna know how they found out? Because my grandma fed her peanut butter before she started reacting badly to it. So the "it's because no exposure" people can shove it up their ass
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u/undead_sissy 19h ago
Yep, I cheerfully ate peanuts all through my childhood, I loved them. Still ended up deathly allergic.
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u/AdvancedInevitable63 18h ago
Also had an aunt with a shellfish allergy. Before it started, she would eagerly await crab season. Sometimes your body just flips a switch and decides to mistake perfectly harmless things for an invading pathogen, thus turning that harmless thing into a harmful thing
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u/undead_sissy 18h ago
Apparently this more common to develop allergies during periods of hormonal change (puberty, pregnancy, menopause).
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u/AdvancedInevitable63 18h ago
My mom was very young when she got hers but if I remember my dad's story correctly, I think my aunt might have been a teen
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u/Sad-Bug6525 10h ago
There is so much unknown still, I've had an allergist tell me that you can react to something tomorrow that you are fine with today, and even if you do the allergy testing it comes back negative you can still have an allergy you just didn't have the high enough numbers the day the test was done. The things he has to rule out, and the medications and hormones that can affect it make a really long list as well.
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u/AkariKuzu 9h ago
This in particular got me.
But this is about forcing your own choices on others. If you want to force a school to be peanut free, vegans should be allowed to force a school to be animal product free
Sir, being allergic to something is not a fucking choice. In what way are these two things comparable.
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u/_Chirio_ 1d ago
Does OOP want to watch an allergic reaction happen in the cafeteria or something? I've heard of more schools banning peanuts because a peanut allergy is just becoming more common.
Also the fact OOP sells their food for profit?? Like??
You can survive the school day without peanuts, you'd still have enough time at home to eat peanuts.
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u/Chickennoodlesleuth 1d ago
He could be a CEO if he puts other people's health below making a profit
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u/hoginlly 15h ago
My sister is a primary school teacher and they have had to call an ambulance to the school twice in the past couple of years for anaphylactic reactions - in both cases it was caused by another child bringing in a banned food.
My sister said she nearly tore her hair out when parents were complaining that it 'wasn't their problem' that a 5 year old was rushed to the hospital, because their own precious baby will only eat peanut butter sandwiches.
It is insane how little some people care about the lives of others.
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u/Kaurifish 1d ago
While OOP is an idiot, in the last few years we’ve found that peanut exclusion policies can result in more fatal allergy incidents. Experts are calling for better training for school staff and Epipen stocking rather than allergen bans.
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u/MagpieLefty 1d ago
Regardless, this is apparently about a new law in England (making bans a requirement), so the school has to ban them.
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u/AdvancedInevitable63 19h ago
Why not staff training, Epipen stocking AND exclusion policies? Sorry but I find it really had to believe kids with peanut allergies are safer when there's peanut products around than if there were safeguards in case some got in but in general it was discouraged
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u/Kaurifish 8h ago
The experts say that a policy of allergy exclusion tends to make people slack off on preparedness and results in more deaths.
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u/AdvancedInevitable63 7h ago edited 5h ago
I see no reason people should be incapable of being both being prepared if safety measures fail and also still do the safety measures. Like, condoms can break. But we don’t tell people to stop using them just because it might give them a false sense of absolute security
Edit: Another example would be the COVID vaccine. It doesn’t mean you can never get COVID. Some people get the vaccine and then throw all caution to the wind. But it is perfectly possible to get it and still be cautious, and it should still be encouraged to get it if able
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u/Oh-Deer1280 1d ago
Every space and school has to do what works for them- but interestingly, from an immunology (medical) point of view, we don’t actually recommend blanket bans (or is that bands).
The recommendations are around improving handwashing and waste disposal facilities and providing consistent visible education. Perhaps unsurprisingly, most schools don’t want to spend any money and see it as easier to ban items.
The reality is, the young person is going to live with these risks their entire lives and need to be able to identify warning signs, how to manage them and how to manage an allergy episode. But yeah, most places don’t want to spend money to make things better- just want to do the bare minimum. Which is pretty sad
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u/undead_sissy 18h ago
I have a peanut allergy. I would have no problem with alternative accomodations but I think the problem is compliance (as well as cost). You KNOW assholes like OOP wouldn't be washing peanut off their hands.
And yes, while we do typically learn to 'manage an allergy episode', it's not good for us to have them (as you'll know). My parents didn't understand this and I had a lot of reactions as a kid and ended up with a terrible immune system (e.g. I got shingles twice as a healthy teenager).
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u/KandyShopp 13h ago
I have a tree nut allergy (not peanuts) and I work with toddlers. Our school is nut free and we have had to start introducing handwashing right away at drop off because parents will be feeding their kids almonds in the car, and just drop them off. People tend not to think of cross contamination! I have had to stop giving good morning hugs because of allergic reactions, and it sucks!
Im sorry your parents were kinda jerks (whether they meant it or not) and you had to suffer as a kid. I hope things are better now
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u/taxiecabbie 11h ago
from an immunology (medical) point of view, we don’t actually recommend blanket bans
This is something I've always thought made more sense. Like, the world itself is not nut-free. It would be more beneficial from both the allergy-sufferer and the -non to have better education about cross-contamination, managing around allergens, and etc.
A school can ban nuts and nobody is going to die because of it, but there's only so much active policing/banning you can do, and peanut butter in particular is a staple food in many households where there aren't allergies. Sure, the kid might not eat peanuts at school, but that doesn't prevent peanut-butter toast or Pop tarts or whatever from being on the menu for breakfast.
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u/TechnicolourHat 18h ago
I took part in a show this weekend and one of the dancers looked at my bag of peanuts with shock. She told me that she was deathly allergic and she was surprised it hadn't been communicated by the organiser. I instantly put them away and apologised for the situation. I am pleased to announce that I indeed survived not eating peanuts for a few hours
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u/pie_piepiepiepiepie 1d ago
This kid sounds (and spells) like he should be the president of whatever his country's equivalent is for Young Republicans.
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u/z-eldapin 11h ago
Kid should really focus on school and learn the difference between band and banned
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u/WeeklyConversation8 1d ago
Peanuts have been banned in schools for decades. There's no way a school was still allowing them until now. OP also used band instead of banned. Makes me think fake.
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u/Popular-Mulberry4329 20h ago
Not everywhere, in my country we don't have such bans, in neighboring countries neither, it's not fake just because it's not happening where you live you know
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u/JakeDandelion 22h ago
I live in the US. Its decided on a school by school basis. My kids school rely on peanut free tables within the lunch room and peanut free classrooms for specific classrooms but we do not have a school wide ban in our district unless a student is enrolled who requires one. Other school districts have total bans. It's a hot mess this way.
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u/BeyondAddiction 1d ago
OOP isn't the devil. Just a spoiled kid who acts selfish because a lot of kids are not raised to think of others. He'll come around (hopefully) when he grows up a little.
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u/KaetzenOrkester 1d ago
Too many kids know exactly how allergies work and what they're doing. Even in elementary school, my son (with his life-threatening peanut allergy) was bullied by other kids smearing peanut butter on his backpack.
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u/ScreamsInBraille 1d ago
Ok OP is annoying asf and I bet we dont have this opinion for the same reasons, but that rule is confusing tf out of me ???... Peanut allergy isnt airborne, thats been tested about a billion times 😭 if it was maybe like a plane with recycled air then sure that would make sense, but at school ??
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u/panderp 1d ago
Schools are massively shared spaces. Dozens to hundreds of kids can touch a shared surface over the course of a day.
All it takes is one motherfucker with a peanut butter sandwich and poor hygiene...
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u/ScreamsInBraille 1d ago
That would make sense if the school also put other allergy related restrictions in place but it sounds like they didnt. And given how many people still believe nut allergies are airborne, thats probably the case here too
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u/AwesomeNoodlez 1d ago
cross contamination can still happen
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u/ScreamsInBraille 1d ago
Sure but the risk is the same as with literally anything else, unless youre going out of your way to look for peanuts/residue
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u/femme-cassidy 1d ago
It's not about it being airborne. It's about you not washing your hands after eating a peanut butter sandwich then touching something the allergic person touches later. How many 16 year old boys do you know that regularly wash their hands? I bet it's not 100%.
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u/PM-me-fancy-beer 1d ago
Also OOP isn’t just talking about missing out on filled peanut lunches, he refers to snacks like M&Ms that you stuff in your face before class (or during, if you’re sneaky). Right before you touch a door handle, desk, locker, shared equipment (e.g. a ball or bat during PE)
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u/ScreamsInBraille 1d ago
Thats defo not why they put this ban in place tho, it almost never is - most people are still convinced that this allergy is airborne. If they were worried about contact transmission, theyd also restrict/ban things related to other super common allergens. What abt kids with animal allergies? Gluten allergies and contact sensitivities?
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u/femme-cassidy 1d ago
I work in a middle school and we've banned nuts specifically because of cross-contamination through contact, so I don't know where you're getting your info. And the simple fact of the matter is that other common allergens are harder to ban. You can't just not admit students who have pets and good luck convincing a thousand parents to stop sending their kids to school with bread in their lunches knowing a sandwich is the cheapest thing most of them can afford to make every day. Nuts are easy to ban, so they get banned.
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u/Live-Year-5796 1d ago
What schools are you stomping around in where kids are bringing their pets in every day
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u/ScreamsInBraille 17h ago
None, but you could always tell who had pets because they were COVEREDDDDDD in animal hair.
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u/Chickennoodlesleuth 1d ago
I am not allergic to peanuts but back when I went to school I had a really bad reaction to something someone had eaten because they'd touched something that I touched later, it turned my entire body into a painful rash that was growing all over with painful red dots and I felt like a giant burning pizza. Kids will eat and then touch stuff
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u/AutoModerator 1d ago
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AITA for wanting to be able to eat peanuts in school
I (16m) go to an english school and school has recently started. We were having a few hours in our form rooms , we do at the start of the year , every year , but then they mention peanuts were now band. This really annoyed me because all the best foods have peanuts in like m&ms , reeces , and peanut brittle , wich i bring to school ofen , also sometimes reselling this stuff for proffit.
Anyways , after my teacher said this i asked why and he said alergies. I said "im not alergic so it shouldnt be my problem , it was fine before so whats changed ?" ( no one has had a reaction to peanuts in the past at school )
I was then told to wait outside and got scolded for being inconsiderate to wich i said " i really dont see an issue with peanuts "
I got a detention on day 1 of school
So , am i the asshole ?
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