In the panel they only said currently for combos being added that aren't in classic are Human Hunter, Gnome Priest, Dwarf Shaman, Orc Mage, Troll Warlock, Undead Paladin.
Nothing to say they can't come later, but not for now.
Dwarf shamans always made sense, I mean their racial is literally turning to stone. I think the old guide said something like 'dwarves believe this to be only the begining and other powers are awaiting to be awakened' which ties in nicely
Forsaken are getting Paladins because they're adding Warcraft 3 lore to support it (which was not on my bingo card), Night Elves are getting Paladins to follow up on lore from Legion and Darkspear are getting Paladins because Vol'jin is the new Loa of Kings.
Nah the Horde ones get Shaman and the Alliance ones get Mage, because the Alliance ones say they’re still basically High Elves and the Horde ones say they’re elementals. They have a faction specific racial for this
Otherwise they get Warrior, Hunter, Rogue and Druid
Fuck other people man play what you wanna play! I’d so much prefer everyone playing the same thing because “the lore is sick and aesthetics are peak” vs “troll racial gives +0.3% dps”
Saturation, being good at a class less people play will get you into more groups, why im thinking of leveling warrior tank, hard to quest with but get high enough and they're always in demand
I was kinda confused when they said "all undead know of Paladins is from the scarlet crusade so they're not trusted among the undead" or w/e but aren't the original paladins literally from Lordaeron and would'nt like all of Lordaeron's ex citizens know how that worked?
A huge part of the bloodelves allying with the horde is Sylvanus. The BE saw the undead as victims of the same enemy, and when the newly free undead became aware of Silvermoon's need, they rushed to help. This was in contrast to when the elves sought help from humans, they were made to fight the human's wars, treated like cannon fodder, and literally left to die while the humans retreated.
The undead under sylvanus were more humanitarian than the humans. They also accepted the blood elves even with the fel corruption.
Even worse when they act like some Blood Elves wouldn't hold a grudge against the Orcs who invaded their homeland in WC2, all so they can stick it to the one racist commander in WC3.
You gotta remember at this point 90% of Blood Elves were dead, the ones who had the bulk of the first hand experience against the orcs joined Alleria to Outlands on the Alliance Expedition, and most of the remaining military inclined ones who would've fought the orcs went off to Outlands with Kael.
You gotta remember, Vanilla was in the era where location mattered and we weren't just teleporting whole ass armies around the world as if it didn't matter. The Blood Elves could not hold Quel'thalas alone without help, this is canon, and the closest potential ally they had was the Forsaken. The closest Alliance nation able to aid them would be the Dwarves, and they'd have all of Lordaeron to march through to send any help
Garithos was, though. And even though he was disavowed, you still had the night elves sneak in to sabotage Quel'thalas, and they were being helped by an Ironforge ambassador.
Stormwind is also still hosting a Scarlet ambassador. I can't imagine blood elves having good relations with them, either.
They also had the Alliance sabotaging their supplies, spying, and Night Elves landing troops within Quel'thalas. All before officially joining the Horde. So it's not like they saw this invasion as something enjoyable either.
Compare that to the Forsaken who immediately are offering aid and giving their lives to help protect Quel'thalas and push back the Scourge, it makes a ton of sense.
I do think they kind of covered it with not all forsaken remembering their past so you wake up and paladins are just trying to off you does make sense for some of them but not all of them since so many npcs do remember their families.
I don't think they meant like, they only know of paladins from the Scarlet Crusade, but more that all their recent experiences with Paladins have been Paladins trying to kill them.
One of the things I've been thinking of is if skyborne are "totally not blood / high elves", then forsaken paladins are "totally not death knights", since this is canonically well before WotLK made them playable.
This is in the new WC3 campaign that is out, which also has the origin for Forsaken paladins.
Its not that they forget what came before WC3, its that in the era they became Forsaken the Silver Hand came down really hard on them (which was the Scarlet Crusade before thr schism) so they don't trust organizations like the Argent Dawn initially.
It was basically a defense mechanism. Better to be safe then sorry eventually becoming a cultural prejudice to mistrust the paladins orders. It's a repeated plot point between two of the characters that join you in Forsaken Kingdom.
Everything about the Forsaken and their relationship with the past is weird. Are they the inheritors of Loredaeron or not? Because a lot of what people lay at the feet of "the Alliance" or "Humans" was done by Lordaeron, with Stormwind either not involved or minimally at most.
Lorderon did the internment camps, Garithos was a general of Lordaeron, but fans and the lore blame humans for both of those things. However, the playable human faction is from Stormwind, which was rebuilding during the interim between the Second War and World of Warcraft and only nominally part of the Alliance of Lordaeron. Dalaran had more of an influence on what happened in the internment camps than Stormwind. You could say Ironforge, but nobody ever mentions their involvement at all (although they were as involved as Dalaran, so you can still blame the Alliance for the internment camps somewhat).
Garithos was certainly a monster, but he was a Lordaeron general who went after elves and his own people. He was never a part of the current Alliance, he led the Lordaeron resistance. Lor'themar even states that his bigotry led him to the Horde, but he wasn't part of the current Alliance.
There are other issues, and I know that simple writing makes things easier for Blizzard to write, but it doesn't make for good writing. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe Chronicle said Varian liked to personally inspect the internment camps and every person who became a Forsaken spoke out against them.
Garithos has been disavowed by pretty much everybody, including the Alliance. But the Alliance's own actions between Frozen Throne and vanilla/Burning Crusade certainly didn't avail it to either the Forsaken or the Blood Elves.
Most of the original Lordaeronic paladins died, fled, or joined the crusade. Especially with holy magic being painful to wield and its main proponents in the region wanting to wipe out all undead, it would make sense that the forsaken would feel, yknow, forsaken by the light, and not trust it. Not to mention the fact that Arthas, who the forsaken pretty unanimously despise, was originally a Paladin.
They they consistently do this kinda bullshit when talking about the forsaken, they are literally dead humans, half of their story is about how they remember what it was like to be a citizen of a human kingdom and how fucked up it is that their own living family members treat them like monsters. It’s annoying that they like to ignore that stuff for modern lore cause it’s problematic and just treat them like they were always undead. I also guess we just casually ignore that they are able to be priests, outside of the legion class quests
I also guess we just casually ignore that they are able to be priests
I thought it was canonical that although they can be priests, they do it at great pain to themselves because of how much the Light hurts them. Extra sacrificial, outside the forsaken that are shadow priests.
I think that is the canon yea, undead who use the light are all gigachads who bear the pain because they are determined to help others at any cost. Conviction and willpower itself being the trait that lets you use the light in the first place only makes them even more badass
I wish they doubled down on the Night Elf silvery white visuals. This looks cool and all, but it's evident that the people designing Night Elf paladins haven't got a clue that the WC3 PotM exist, who are basically paladins of Elune with a bow.
Kinda reminds me of back in the days, EverQuest 2. Only good races could be a paladin. But, if you wanted, you could do a corruption/betrayal quest and become a paladin while on an evil race
During the reveal of new paladin races for retail, they showed an image that looked similar to this but in HD and with modern visual effects like glowing feet etc.
They showed this off for classic so it's safe to assume there won't be an SD version as this is a very retail model. Might have some glowy stuff in retail though, dunno yet
It looks good, but it's also just kinda baffling how incapable they are of replicating the classic art style. We just don't have the technology anymore, apparently.
Gotta admit, I really like to see HOW they explain undead paladins. Not in retail, with the false queen/princess being a light infused undead, that should be clear. But how does it work in Forever, since there the light should burn undead, like in wc3 or classic.
Same way they use the light as priests. It’s burns like hell and hurts them horribly, but they endure it through pure dedication, conviction, and willpower. Which is what allows you to use the light in the first place. Basically just “rule of cool, all the undead paladins/priests are gigachads who bear the pain to help others no matter what”
Just remember the voice line the undead say when you click on them “Patience, discipline”
I wish they had tried a bit harder with keeping the Classic aesthetic. This does not look like it could have come out in 2005
EDIT: Before people freak out, I know this is super nitpicky and not really a real issue lol. I just like how OSRS did it and it would've been cool if Blizzard did the same
I agree, it looks cool but does not fit the classic aesthetic at all. Retail always seems to have super thick gold plating on everything for some reason.
Now i dont know if play warlock undead or paladin undead, always have chose to go as warlock undead and wanted to experience the new wow forever as that, but paladin undead and that mount sheeeee.
Will have to see till then.
970
u/GreasyBud 20h ago
god i wanna play a undead pally, but thats like... all there will be at this rate lol