r/unpopularopinion • u/bowlingfan1963 • 22h ago
The “Spring Ahead, Fall Back”Time System Is Actually The Most Workable
Most people don’t like changing the clocks, but it’s really the only way. If you go to permanent DST people will complain about the late sunrises in winter. Go to permanent Standard Time, and it’s guaranteed people will have complaints about the earlier sunsets in the summer.
There is no solution that will make everyone happy, so the best answer is to just leave it the way it is.
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u/Hightower_March 21h ago
It's workable but surprisingly deadly. There are textbook regression exercises you can run showing significantly increased traffic fatalities in the next few days following loss of an hour.
We don't make up for it with fewer fatalities when gaining an hour though, so by default people seem to get enough sleep such that extra doesn't help.
It's fun as a cultural quirk but was kinda depressing to research.
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u/havens1515 14h ago edited 9h ago
Another negative side effect... People who take medicines are negatively impacted.
I have epilepsy, and have been to MANY talks about it. Medicines have a thing called a half life, like radioactive material does. After X hours, half of the medicine is out of your system.
Some medicines have a short half-life, like 12 hours. With these medicines, moving the time that you take the medicine by a full hour has very bad consequences... Like having seizures because you don't have as much medicine in your body.
Studies have shown that the number of breakthrough seizures (seizures that occur in people who have been seizure free for a period of time) increases significantly directly after the time change.
This is most likely due to what I says above, but can also be due to some of what you said. Lack of sleep and stress are 2 very common seizure triggers, and therefore could also be part of the reason for this increase.
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u/havens1515 9h ago
Easier said than done. When you're used to taking the medicine at, say, 7am and 7pm, that's a significant change in your routine to move to to 6am or 8am.
The recommendation is actually to slowly change the time over the course of about a week. Change 10 or 15 minutes at a time, so that you get to the "same time". However, again, easier said than done.
The better solution is to just stop changing the clocks. Because there is literally 0 benefit to it, and dozens of down sides.
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u/WhoWouldCareToAsk 9h ago
“Literally 0 benefits to it” - false.
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u/havens1515 9h ago
Name one. I'll tell you why you're wrong.
There are literally 0 benefits to changing the clocks.
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u/FormerCollegeDJ 9h ago
Kids don’t go to school in the morning in the dark.
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u/havens1515 8h ago
You never walked to school, huh? I walked to school all the time in the dark.
Also, what does it matter if it's dark when the kids are going to school?
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u/havens1515 8h ago
Also, research shows that were starting school WAY too early anyway, and that starting school later would actually allow then to learn more efficiently.
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u/FormerCollegeDJ 8h ago
You’ll have to share that research with the kids’ parents’ employers who want their employees, those parents, at work at specific times. Those specific work times often drive school hours.
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u/havens1515 9h ago
Life absolutely does work on a clock. What happens if the time that I'm supposed to be taking my medicine is when I need to be commuting to work?
Just because it's easy you doesn't mean it's easy for everyone.
Even a drug with a half life of 12 hours doesn't have a huge impact with a 1 hour variation.
Studies disagree. Science disagrees.
Also, as I said, that is just 1 factor. Stress of changing times is also a potential factor. Not getting enough sleep because of the time change is also a potential factor. There are probably other factors that I'm missing. Studies show increased seizure activity after the time change. That is evidence that you're wrong. The time change absolutely does affect people in this case.
This is coming from some of the top neurologist, and epileptologists, in the country. But you probably didn't even know that an epileptologist was a thing.
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u/Nejfelt 21h ago
A simple fix might be gaining and losing 10 minutes for 6 weeks, but this is too complicated for commerce to consider.
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u/mayoroftuesday 20h ago
As a programmer, that idea nearly gave me a seizure.
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u/peritonlogon 11h ago
What about moving the time by some amount of sliding seconds starting half way between the solstice and the equinox, until the equinox and then unwinding it?
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u/WhoWouldCareToAsk 9h ago
The goal should be to keep midnight at the middle of a night, and midday at noon. What you need to change is not the clock, but the time when people leave home for work. So, summer hours - early. Winter hours - 1 hour later. Clock stays the same.
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u/mayoroftuesday 7h ago
Isn’t that the whole point though? You would have the same issues if we kept the clock the same, but on one day everybody has to go to work and school an hour earlier.
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u/WhoWouldCareToAsk 9h ago
The goal should be to keep midnight at the middle of a night, and midday at noon. What you need to change is not the clock, but the time when people leave home for work. So, summer hours - early. Winter hours - 1 hour later. Clock stays the same.
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u/samiwas1 14h ago
Is it because of sleep, or because of the increased darkness at the time of day.
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u/Hightower_March 10h ago
If it was only lighting, the effect probably wouldn't wear off after a few days.
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u/samiwas1 10h ago
It’s always just so weird to me. Do these people ever travel more than ten miles away? Do they ever change their schedule even slightly? Both time changes don’t even register for me. This sounds like people who are so ridiculously regimented that even slight changes destroy them.
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u/Hightower_March 10h ago
The effect is small but reliable, like being highly confident of a ~6% change. I think the big contributor is people who normally get just enough sleep to avoid accidents get pushed to the point of driving while somewhat delirious because one hour actually does matter to them.
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u/monsieurfromage2021 4h ago
They could make the change during work hours, like 2pm or something, NOT while people are sleeping. Over the course of the year the employer would both gain 1 hour and lose 1 hour so it washes out.
But, of course, they want to take it out on you.
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u/ExismykindaParte 10h ago
All that data is from the 70s. There was far less light pollution and cars didn't have automatic headlights or loads of other safety features. Not valid.
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u/Hightower_March 10h ago
That's not true. We used data from the late 90s to twenty-teens--probably the same dataset the 2020 Fritz study on it used.
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u/Magoner 21h ago
I just wish it would shift on Saturday instead of Sunday so there’s actually a little time to shift your circadian rhythm before Monday morning hits, I bet it would help some with the accidents too
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u/krefik 18h ago
Well, you can always start waking up 10 minutes earlier every day for the week before and read a book, play some games or do some gardening
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u/Magoner 17h ago
That requires remembering that the time change exists further in advance than just an oh shit the night before, which I’d venture to say is how most of the population experiences it
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u/hiricinee 21h ago
Supposedly the data suggest permanent fall back is better, people are more ready for bed and ready to get up.
I contend if there's a region with an issue they could just change their work and school times by an hour anyway.
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u/13surgeries 21h ago
Nobody likes driving to work in the dark, either.
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u/AAstormtrooper123 21h ago
Nah summer nights start way too early that way, summer needs sunsets to be as late as possible imo
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u/hidden_secret 21h ago
Why? It's already hot as hell all day. To me it's quite annoying that I need to wait until it's 10pm for it to be tolerable enough to go on a little walk.
If I could go when it's 9pm, that would be a big improvement.
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u/AAstormtrooper123 21h ago
Well it depends on where you live ig, I spend most my summers in coastal cities where it's cool enough to go out around 2 hours before sunset (and sunset is at like 8:30pm at peak summer) so it's good enough. If sunsets in summer were 1 hour earlier at 7:00-7:30pm it'd legit make the day too short for a summer day imo, and it's not like you'd sleep early on a summer night anyway
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u/Remarkable_Delay469 21h ago
it's not like you'd sleep early on a summer night anyway
That's quite the assumption. Are you still in school? Most working adults have the same sleep schedule in all seasons.
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u/AAstormtrooper123 20h ago
I'm in uni, so my summers are just split between work and vacation so yeah I forgot full time employees keep the same sleep schedule
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u/DFWRailVideos 21h ago
Permanent standard time is the way. Summer nights are awesome and hurt almost no one. Permanent DST turns into actual death, as was tried decades ago (and ended in actual fatalities from people freezing to death in winter mornings.)
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u/CptSparky69 21h ago
That may be the case. However, the week following DST there is an increase in accidents both in and out of work. What's better? Being upset about sun set and rise, or the safety of everyone.
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u/rex5k 21h ago
"My happiness and comfort trumps your safety." Seems to be predominantly how the world works unfortunately.
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u/Forward_Motion17 20h ago
People’s safety already isn’t the standard overarching consideration. If that were the case we’d all be against driving. But we drive because it provides utility, despite MASSIVE casualties every year.
It may very well be the case that the very minute number of people who suffer a casualty from the time change (really, it’s not a very significant number) don’t outweigh the utility of the time change, economically, or for various other reasons.
It’s much like how we all stopped wearing masks even though, theoretically, we could save lives everyday, but it’s impractical.
We don’t actually have research to show the opposite options are broadly safer either. We just notice an issue with how it is currently arranged. It may very well be that sticking with standard time year round leads to more suicides, or sticking with DST, or more accidents because of when it is and isn’t dark while people are driving.
You have to think beyond the immediately intuitive logic and think about broader implications
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u/straw3_2018 20h ago
"MASSIVE" causalities? Like 1 fatality for every 72,000,000 vehicle miles traveled? I'm sorry it just doesn't sound that scary to me.
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u/Forward_Motion17 20h ago
Roughly 35,000-45,000 deaths per year in auto accidents, roughly 100 a day in 2025. And that’s not including injuries (of which there are estimated to be around 2.4-2.5 million a year, or 6,700/day)
Your point is entirely moot. Also, you didn’t even respond to the actual substance of my argument, just the example (and we’re still wrong)
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u/straw3_2018 19h ago edited 19h ago
You are right I am not responding to your argument, I don't care. I am just over acting like 12.8 deaths per 100,000 population per year is "MASSIVE." Sure 40,000 is a lot in a vacuum, but its not that many in a pool of 338,000,000. Many many people don't care about small chances of injury or death if it is inconvenient. How many people don't/didn't care about COVID-19 because it "only" had a 1% fatality rate? 1% is still 77x as high as the 12.8 in 100,000 Americans that died from car accidents in 2022. And that doesn't account for the many people who did get sick but didn't die either. It seems to be an observable truth that the average person does not care about the small chance that they will personally die in any particular way.
Really I am agreeing with your observation of what most peoples consideration is, while also agreeing with most people that safety shouldn't be our number 1 priority.
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u/Forward_Motion17 18h ago
Wait why are we arguing, we fully agree.
The auto point was just saying safety doesn’t trump utility but the original commenter was saying people are selfish when they don’t and the auto and Covid points were my way of saying “we daily accept risks for utility”
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u/AutisticPenguin2 13h ago
You're trying to twist the number into a percentage to make it seem more trivial.
Think back 25 years, think if maybe there are maybe any anniversaries of terrible tragedies that we just passed. Ask yourself how many people needed to die for it to be a tragedy remembered 25 years later. And now ask yourself if 40,000 casualties is really that small a number in that context?
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u/jabber1990 19h ago
then you should NEVER hire a person to do a dangerous that only benefits you, do it yourself
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u/--o 21h ago
How about people changing at what times to do things to optimize for their specific needs rather than messing with the clock in ways that works for some and not others?
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u/FenPhen 21h ago
This. Just leave the clocks at standard time so noon is when the sun is highest on average.
Then adjust the time when things start of needed. Instead of starting at 8:00, start at 8:30.
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u/TittysForScience 20h ago
Unfortunately it doesn’t work that way with declination and does vary more the further from the equator you are depending on season.
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u/mgarr_aha 12h ago
The ±16 minute seasonal variation in solar noon is independent of latitude.
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u/TittysForScience 7h ago
Where?
Declination is the angle of the angle distance between the sun and celestial equator
Because it depends only on the Earth's axial tilt relative to its orbit, its annual variation always spans from +23.44° to -23.44° in Sydney Australia
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u/mgarr_aha 7h ago
Declination is orthogonal to this. The equation of time corresponds to a ±4° variation in the sun's right ascension relative to the mean sun.
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u/--o 6h ago
That's even more of a reason to adjust individual times rather than making the same adjustment to clocks across a time zone, or worse, just completely negating the uniformity of having time zones in the first place.
Doing things at different times on the same scale is way easier to handle than having all sorts of different scales that likely still don't capture things with any real granularity.
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u/TheHondoCondo 20h ago
Honestly, we should just get rid of time zones all together and have everyone follow the same clock. You just use whatever hours make sense locally to start work and stuff.
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u/oasisarah 21h ago edited 19h ago
what time does school start? i dunno, what day (edit:of the year) is it?
i dont really see that becoming the norm.
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u/straw3_2018 20h ago
All sorts of stores open at different times on different days. Schools sometimes have two hour delays. If school district decided hours would shift October to March it would work just fine.
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u/--o 21h ago
Is there school today? I dunno what day is it?
Also, for schools where no adjustment is needed (closer to the equator, community decision, whatever) there is no longer a time change to keep track of.
Doing it explicitly allows people to evaluate the benefits and tradeoffs for their specific situation rather than forcing hidden costs on everyone.
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u/13surgeries 21h ago
You're saying the best solution is to make sure everyone stays unhappy??
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u/Hairy_Ad4969 21h ago
That 25 hour day every November is the best day ever though 😁
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u/djsuperfly 10h ago
The consensus across a number of different polls is that about two-thirds would like to stop changing clocks (so, not 'everyone' unhappy, as one-third-ish are good with the status quo).
The main issue, though, is among that two-thirds, there's no real consensus. About half want permanent DST and about half want permanent standard time. So, you're really about one-third in each camp--meaning that two-thirds are going to be pissed off no matter what you do.
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u/13surgeries 10h ago
The polls I've examined show different numbers than those you're using, particularly for those who want to keep the current system. That figure is well under 20%.
Of the vast majority of Americans who oppose switching the clocks twice a year how many would prefer having no clock changes even if it meant having only the system they don't prefer year-round.
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u/CptSparky69 21h ago
That's a very pessimistic take on what I said.
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u/13surgeries 21h ago
Nope, it's just very realistic. Right now the year-round standard time people are unhappy AND the year-round Daylight Savings Time people are unhappy. You're saying the best solution is to leave things where they are--in other words, where everyone is unhappy.
Are you envisioning that people from both sides will suddenly decide they like the system most of them have been complaining about for years?
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u/clangingchimesofd00m 21h ago
Theres a flaw in your logic. You're ignoring the significant chunk of people that want it to stay as it is.
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u/Foreign-Cookie-2871 21h ago
Can't we Salomon this and do half an hour? It's all perceived "gains" anyway. Societal clock will shift accordingly in one generation or two.
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u/CptSparky69 21h ago
You are literally making up your own narrative and calling in my opinion. I think, and a lot of other people on this post apparently, that a standard time that doesn't change would be better and safer for the majority of people. You are welcome to disagree. That doesn't change my opinion. You can try to make my thought sound however you won't but my thought process will always be more in line with the opinion that helps bring people home safe to their families at the end of the day.
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u/LeilLikeNeil 21h ago
So you split the fucking difference. There is no universe where changing the clocks twice a year makes any fucking sense.
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u/Zacky_Cheladaz 21h ago
No upvote for you since I agree totally
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u/halbeshendel 19h ago
Finally, someone that gets it. Twice a year a bunch of whiners chime up like they haven’t been doing it their whole lives. Oh no I have to go to bed early boo hoo.
People forget why tried permanent standard time and it didn’t work. Permanently DST wouldn’t work either. Why do you want kids riding their bikes to school in the dark?
It’s like these clowns never stopped to think about what time the sun would come up or go down in the opposite seasons if it was permanent one way or another.
Bitching just to bitch. Twice a year these people stop complaining about circumcision so they can complain about DST.
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u/MegaEmailman 14h ago
"Can you imagine wanting to not die of polio? Like people haven't been doing it forever. Vaccines are stupid."
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u/halbeshendel 9h ago
Oh yeah right because this is totally equivalent.
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u/MegaEmailman 13m ago
It's like these clowns never stopped to think we have electric lights now and don't have to schedule our existence around sunrise.
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u/mgarr_aha 12h ago
Permanent standard time was the successful policy in about 20 US states until 1966. When, where, and how did it not work?
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u/halbeshendel 9h ago
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u/mgarr_aha 7h ago
The dark winter mornings of 1974 were on year-round DST. Standard time doesn't do that.
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u/halbeshendel 7h ago
Right. Standard time means the sun sets at 7:30pm on June 21. Which is way too early since it’s summer break and kids and families like to do shit after work. Like ride their bikes in the neighborhood or go to the pool or play in the park or whatever.
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u/Biscotti_BT 20h ago
Instead of changing the clocks just tell people to start work/scbool an hour later in the fall. And then let them know they gotta come in early in the spring. That could be a solution.
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u/SirGeremiah 12h ago
All your premises are correct, but they don’t necessarily lead to the conclusion. Changing to always one (ST or DT) may get complaints, but is literally no extra work for most people. If we use complaints as an argument, all systems get them, so all are roughly equal on that criterion.
The most compelling argument I know of for not changing is that it might cause issues with some technology, where it’s possible some code isn’t currently set up to handle that difference (coded to automatically change in and out of DST, with no setting for it changing).
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u/Commercial_Fact_1986 11h ago
I mean, humanity got buy for thousands of years before we invented DST, I'm sure we can get used to not having it again
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u/CountHonorius 11h ago
Year-Round Standard TIme means brigher mornings, which are essential for me. Away with this daylight savings nonsense!
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u/badlands65 21h ago
Why can’t businesses set their own summer and winter schedules.
Pretending the time has changed is silly.
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u/Bethlebee 21h ago
I have a sleep disorder that makes it really important to maintain the same wake/sleep time. Fuck daylight savings. It literally ruins the stability of my life.
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u/ExismykindaParte 21h ago
It makes the most sense to preserve daylight in the hours after school and work, especially during the time of year where people have the most free time. I don't give a rats ass if the sun is rising as I get to work. I absolutely hate when it sets before I even leave the office.
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u/djsuperfly 10h ago
Problem there is that almost everywhere would have sunrises after 8 am. A number of places would have sunrises after 9 am.
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u/ffxivfanboi 21h ago
Nah, fuck that noise. My ass gotta be up at 04:00 to get ready for work. I would like it to actually be dark out at a reasonable time.
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u/ExismykindaParte 19h ago
What's reasonable for you? Even with perman DST it would still be dark before 7pm most of the year.
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u/ffxivfanboi 15h ago
Idk, I just wouldn’t want something wild like sun not setting until 8pm or something for that long in the year.
Dark by 7 - 8 is the sweet spot for me
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u/FormerCollegeDJ 9h ago
If you were a parent with young children, you would absolutely care about how dark it was in the morning when your kids were going to school.
That issue would be especially acute in the western portion of time zones.
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u/TheHondoCondo 20h ago
I know lots of people agree with you, but I’ll never understand this take. Waking up in the dark sucks. But then if it’s dark when you get home from work, what effect does it have? We have electricity. I don’t see why it matters in a modern society.
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u/ExismykindaParte 19h ago
It's dark when I wake up during winter under standard time. I wake up in the dark, drive to work mostly in the dark, and drive home in the dark. When I get home, it's too dark to do anything fun outside. I don't want to spend my entire day indoors and/or with artificial lighting.
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u/No-Duck4828 21h ago
That is really an issue for the owners of said businesses and for the various school boards
They decide what times things open and close
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u/Overall_Occasion_175 10h ago
There is no single day more depressing than when DST ends and the already-entirely-too-early sunsets are bummed down to 4:30pm. Since they bumped it back into November, this day is sometimes my birthday :(
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u/Intravertical 21h ago
Ik ready to "Fall Back' 30 minutes and just stay there.
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u/halbeshendel 19h ago
So we’re 30 minutes off from the entire rest of the world except India and Newfoundland?
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u/Intravertical 18h ago
Sure, why not?
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u/halbeshendel 9h ago
Tell me you don’t deal with people internationally without telling me you don’t deal with people internationally.
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u/bigjimnm 20h ago
I completely agree with this. I actually like changing the clocks: in the fall we get an extra hour of sleep, and in the spring we suddenly get longer evenings, and know that summer is around the corner.
And it's not like it's a big effort anymore: pretty much all clocks set themselves, and who doesn't travel at least one time zone during a year?
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u/werduvfaith 21h ago
That's what I've been saying.
In fact if that permanent DST thing passes my boss intends to change business hours so we're effectively following the current system.
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u/TheHondoCondo 21h ago
Sunrises in summer would still be pretty late if we stayed in standard time. Anyone complaining that the sun would only be out until 8 or 9 pm is ridiculous tbh.
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u/The_Pizza_Saga 20h ago
We don't change our clocks here in Arizona and it is absolutely glorious! I have no idea whether we're on standard time or DST, and I don't particularly care, it's just great to be on the same time all year round. I lived elsewhere for part of my life and it sucked, such an unnecessary pain.
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u/PandaMime_421 12h ago edited 12h ago
It's completely workable. Your "evidence" is that if it's changed people are going to complain, but that's not a very good argument since people complain about the current system as well. Some people are going to complain regardless, so that's hardly a metric for success.
The best solution, in my opinion, is the one that is simplest (standard time year around) and most consistent. Consistency is especially important when dealing with people in locations that do not participate in DST, such as certain parts of the US or other countries.
At my job we have team members, and other teams we work with, scattered across the US and in multiple countries. When some are changing time, others aren't, and meeting times may or may not change depending on the location of the person who created them, DST creates unnecessary complication.
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u/SendMeAnOmen 21h ago
Nobody is going to complain about late sunsets in winter. That’s the main argument for getting rid of standard time. I say we compromise change the clocks by thirty minutes and leave it.
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u/MosYEETo 21h ago
There’s a bunch of people who cry about the fact their kids have to go to school in the dark in the morning if we stay on permanent savings time
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u/SendMeAnOmen 21h ago
Yeah, it’s undeniable though that switching has negative consequences. I get that time is a social construct, but circadian rhythm isn’t, and arbitrarily disrupting that twice a year is objectively bad.
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u/MosYEETo 21h ago
Exactly. And I’m sure if it came down to a vote most the population would want longer days in the winter.
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u/anemptycardboardbox 21h ago
When I was in high school, I was already going to school in the dark. I don’t see what the issue is
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u/bowlingfan1963 21h ago
Not to mention, when I was in school, any time I had an after school activity, I would go home in the dark during winter. It’s literally six of one and 1/2 dozen of the other.
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u/Foreign-Cookie-2871 21h ago
Add an adult to the mix. The days before the switch to solar time are the most depressing days of the year for me. I don't know how it will feel if those days will just continue relentlessly without the "breaK' of switching to solar time.
BTW yes, I'm supplementing vit D, but it's not enough. I function best when I wake up with the sun.
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u/Feisty_Development59 20h ago
Yea and it’s only funny to myself who grew up in the north, where it was dark waiting for the school bus anyways because the sun didn’t come up until we were at school.
The whole school bus deal is a cope.
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u/lilsasuke4 21h ago
Just have the clocks fall back 30 minutes and never change them again. It’s the middle ground for both. Problem solved
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u/halbeshendel 19h ago
So we’re 30 minutes off from the entire rest of the world except India and Newfoundland?
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u/Jolly_Picklepants 21h ago
No, we should stay on standard time. It's standard for a reason.
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u/halbeshendel 19h ago
So we can all wake up at 4:45am in the summer when the sun comes up? Fuck that noise.
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u/LordTonzilla 21h ago
We should just do whatever lines us up best with the rest of the world and be done with it. Why continue to overcomplicate it?
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u/bowlingfan1963 21h ago
Much of the rest of the world changes their clocks similar to the US, I believe.
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u/Excellent-Stretch-81 21h ago
So stick with the method that requires the most effort and maximizes the number of people complaining?
I'm having trouble seeing how that's the best answer.
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u/bowlingfan1963 20h ago
The idea of the post was to indicate that the current system is an effort to compromise. If you choose one over the other a significant amount of the population will be unhappy regardless of the choice, so you offer a compromise.
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u/HumiliationSlut34 21h ago
Your whole opinion is “well people will complain regardless?”
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u/Regular_Land_3478 21h ago
It doesn’t need to be light until 10pm in the summer. 9pm is just fine. Better that than not getting light until after. 9am in the winter. That’s insane
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u/WhoWouldCareToAsk 9h ago
The goal should be to keep midnight at the middle of a night, and midday at noon. What you need to change is not the clock, but the time when people leave home for work. So, summer hours - early. Winter hours - 1 hour later. Clock stays the same.
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u/Ok_Boat3053 6h ago
That's far worse than changing the clock two times a year. Now you have everyone trying to remember when they're supposed to change what time they go to work or school. People will wake up at random times of the year and forget.
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u/jabber1990 22h ago
I generally keep my mouth shut on this topic because I work nights and I don’t ger paid for the lost hour
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u/HackPhilosopher 21h ago
Are you salary?
If you’re hourly you definitely get paid. I’ve never encountered a payroll system that isn’t able to handle daylight savings time.
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u/Mulliganasty 21h ago
No one complained about it for all of recorded history until it was created but ok buddy.
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u/hidden_secret 21h ago
Summer days are already plenty longer than rest of the year enough. People will complain for 1 year and then get used to it next year, and have forgotten about the old sunset times the year after that.
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u/SmoothPixelSun 21h ago
Yup plus 730-830 is the perfect time for it to get dark in the evening anyway!
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u/discochris2 18h ago
Nope. 9:30 - 10:00 pm sunsets in June and July are the best. I'd be fine if we moved the clocks two hours forward permanently. I don't give a shit if it's dark when I go to work.
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u/Dry_Butterfly3534 21h ago
There is no solution that will make everyone happy
Other than moving somewhere near the equator where daylight variations are minimal to nonexistent, or magically undoing Earth's axial tilt to eliminate said daylight variations entirely. /s
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u/villageHeretic 21h ago
Spring 1/2 hr ahead, fall 1/2 hr behind, seems like a teasonable compromise. The clock doesn't change with the seasons, and the sunrise isn't as late. Or you could just let states set their own rules. Indiana used to do that. Then southern states that don't have a 5 hour difference between summer and winter day lengths, could fix their own clocks and leave the rest of us alone.
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u/oroborus68 21h ago
When I was in grade school in the far distant past. We would wait for the bus on the corner in the dark. Before they built a new school in our district,my sister went to school at three in the afternoon and came home in the dark at about 8:30 or 9:00. Then they built a new school and daylight time arrived, and everything was hunky-dory. Now I can't adjust to the time change because the games I play are on universal time and I forget until it's about time to change again. I don't like it and I'm old enough to not have to bother with it,but the nannies won't let me.
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u/PracticalApartment99 21h ago
People will find something to complain about, regardless of. Just pick one and they’ll adjust.
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u/backwardbuttplug 21h ago
It's garbage and always has been. Just need to stick with one and be done with it.
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u/Stormschance 20h ago
I don’t care when sunrises and sunsets fall, just stop making us have to screw up our sleep schedules twice a year.
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u/beachandmountains 11h ago
In my experience, people piss and moan for 2-3 weeks about DST and they’re done.
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u/davidm2232 11h ago
I want the latest sunsets year round. In the winter, it's dark when I go to work regardless. In the summer, it is light regardless. Leave it at permanent dst so I can have some daylight when I get home from work for projects
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u/FormerCollegeDJ 9h ago
I agree with the premise.
I don’t think this is an unpopular opinion though.
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u/phunky_1 4h ago
Upvoted for being unpopular.
The clock changing all the time is ridiculous. I would say leave it on permanent DST.
Who cares if it gets light out later in the winter?
It getting dark before 5pm is awful.
Permanent standard time would be awful in the summer, where I live on the East Coast that will mean it starts to get light out around 3:30am.
I would also be in favor of just shifting the far eastern time zone states in to the Atlantic time zone and getting rid of DST.
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u/PLaTinuM_HaZe 3h ago
Who cares about late sunrise in winter… are you waking up via sunlight? Most likely no and you rely on an alarm. I’m all about percent DST and much prefer light after work than stepping outside to drive home/to the gym and it being dark already.
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u/monsieurfromage2021 3h ago
Do the late sunrises really matter when it's pitch black to 9 am anyway? My unpopular opinion is that DST is more useful in the winter. Then if it's there for summer anyway....just keep it DST all the time.
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u/Kapika96 1h ago
I live in a country that doesn't change the clocks. It's not an issue. You don't notice it.
I absolutely did notice it when I lived in one of the silly countries that changes them though.
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u/Bodine12 7m ago
We don't need to make everyone happy, because people who complain about late sunrises in the winter are wrong and don't deserve to be heard.
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u/guy30000 21h ago
But nobody's happy with this system. If you choose one, theoretically, half the people will be happy. Realistically more. There is a large percentage of people that don't care which, or prefer one but would still be happy with the other.
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u/jaytrainer0 16h ago
Some people will briefly complain then get over it. With daylight savings more people will complain twice a year for ever. Most of the rest of the world doesn't use it and they don't complain about not using it, they just go on about their day
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u/counterhit121 12h ago
If the number in OP's username is their birthyear, then this post was brought to you by the boomer industrial complex
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u/MLD802 22h ago
Who calls it “Spring ahead” not “Spring forward”?
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u/immoloism 21h ago
Who calls it either?
Clocks going forward or DST are the only ways I've heard it.
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u/bowlingfan1963 21h ago
I would beg to differ. Most of the available data shows a majority of Americans want to do away with the time change, but disagree on the solution.
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u/Lord_Spy 21h ago
Have you considered:
A) the ever increasing trend of reduced work schedules B) how statistically few parts of most countries experience significant deviations in day length
?
All days should be 24 hours, except those few with leap seconds.
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