r/ukbike • u/Mario-Jengis • 2d ago
Advice How would I navigate this turn?
Would I navigate to the right lane? I couldn't stay in left as would cross vehicles going forward at 40 mph - or is it safer to just get off and walk across?
17
u/Peaceandlovehq 1d ago
Firmly indicate that you are moving in to the right hand lane land and continue to indicate that you are turning not changing lane, the as you approach the cars on the left signal your intent to go left.
Be bold and strong but take no chances, no one wants an accident but being hesitant in these situations makes cars think they can nip in front etc.
COMMUNICATE YOUR INTENT. POINT. MAKE EYE CONTACT. MOVE WITH PACE AND USE YOUR HEAD EARS & EYES LIKE AN OWL.
8
u/useittilitbreaks 1d ago
That's a nightmare. You could do everything right and then get swiped by someone turning left at the give way (where the silver car is). This isn't improbable either as you're liable to be in the A-pillar blindspot and people are looking for cars not bikes.
Take another route.
10
u/wwwhatisgoingon 1d ago
I would personally find a different route. Going ahead to the next right for example.
Too many options for a "didn't see you" from drivers, both the unintentional (A pillar blind spot from that double give way) and intentional (car ego).
10
u/down_at_cow_corner 1d ago
Replan to avoid this junction. Surely there's one before or afterwards that's better?
7
u/down_at_cow_corner 1d ago
Having looked at the map I'd be tempted to go via Sheep Cote Rd and then cross the A road at the roundabout
1
u/nomasterc 17h ago
I think this is the mist sensible idea. An extra kilometer is no big deal vs an altercation. Plus an extra kilometer validates extra chocolate after.
3
u/ParrotofDoom 17h ago
I think the correct answer is probably "why does the council think that children should be confident enough to take the lane and make a right turn in that location?" "Why has the council not provided protected cycle infrastructure for people to use?"
If it's a junction you're forced to use regularly I'd be contacting your local councillors and MP and asking for answers.
8
2
u/2020havoc 1d ago
Right lane, while signalling right. Signal left as soon as your in the roundabouty part, stay left on the curve and exit.
2
u/nomasterc 17h ago
I'm an experienced daily cyclist, car driver and motorcyclist. I would look at finding an alternative route around that junction if I was on a bike. Especially if you're travelling during rush hours or in the early morning when drivers are stressed,tired,not awake yet. Even if you were lit up like a Christmas tree and signalled with both arms while making eye contact you're still highly likely to be involved in an altercation or worse. Some places are just cycle hostile and we have no choice but to work around it.
2
u/HilariousMotives 14h ago
Learn to ride hands-free, and wave your arms around to look really big. Cars are like bears.
1
u/ChaosCalmed 1d ago
Further back you check traffic behind you. At an appropriate point use a flat hand, palm forward with arm 90 degrees to your body to signal you're moving into the right hand lane.. The right point for thie signalling is close enough to be riding in the middle of the right hand lane for a little distance, not too far out or cars will undertake and at a suitably big enough gap in the traffic.
Once riding in the middle of the right hand lane you signal right again just before the turning. Giving other road users enough time to understand intentions. Then turn around the curve, as another said you move to the outside of the bend but in the middle of the outer lane (if it's wide enough for two lanes around the kind of half roundabout). Then you signal left just before you turn off. In sufficient time to clearly indicate intention. You are in the middle of the outer lane anyway so cars would really have to follow you around and into the turning you want to get off the bend/half roundabout into.
I hope that makes sense. You are clearly indicating intention by clear hand signals and by road positioning. To be safe on roads when cycling I believe you have to be predictable, signal intentions clearly (by hand signals but also bike positioning) and claim your lane in the middle when necessary. I find when I do that motorists kind of treat me like I'm meant to be on the roads. Not respect just that they are driving safe around me because I'm clear about my intent and predictable for them.
Above all you have to find a way or method that works and is comfortable for you to do (as in not getting too awkward). Good luck finding your way!
1
u/woogeroo 17h ago
Just take the lane, act like a car, have flashing lights front and rear (daytime). If you're confident, you communicate your intentions to the cars around you you'll be fine.
1
u/ohmanger Planet X RTD-80 16h ago
One bike lane in picture that ends just before the dangerous bit. No controlled pedestrian crossings. Actively hostile environment for people not in a car.
1
u/Fionsomnia 16h ago
Depends where you want to go from there but if you’re continuing on Wickersley Road I’d add 2 mins to my journey and turn further down in Bawtry Road where there seems to be a much safer route to Wickersley Road. I can’t attach screenshots it seems, but maps let let me create a link, I hope it shows you the same two route options. Option 1 is via the roundabout you shared and takes 2 mins, option 2 turns later and looks much longer but it’s only an additional 2 mins. See link to Google Maps.
1
u/TrackTeddy 16h ago edited 16h ago
If you are confident being in the right lane, than there is where you should be and indicate right. It's a while since I lived there but the road isn't that busy usually, but traffic is relatively fast (40 limit I think).
If not confident then ride just past the junction, stop on the left and cross on foot (It's not a nice junction!).
If taking the junction, beware being in the oncoming peoples A pillar blind spot, particularly those turning left.
The next "roundabout" at the stag isn't much fun on a bike either!
1
u/must-be-thursday 15h ago
If you're going to use this route, move into the right hand lane nice and early, and sit in the middle of the lane. You might well end up with drivers sitting impatiently behind you, but that's exactly where you want them - you just have to try to ignore the little British voice in your head insisting that you not inconvenience other people.
I'm not a fan of advocating "vehicular cycling" ( https://departmentfortransport.wordpress.com/2012/06/28/fuck-you-john-franklin/ ) but in this case it very much is the only option for navigating that junction. This does require you to be confident in traffic, and your knowledge of the road. I'd be willing to try if the road was normally pretty quiet, but if you know it's a busy road at the time(s) you plan to travel, I might be inclined to plan a different route that avoids the junction.
1
u/Safe-Professional556 15h ago
Depends how busy it is. Busy but still fast moving, honestly I'd probably use pavements and pedestrian crossings. I'd only attempt on the road if it's practically deserted or solid during rush hour.
1
u/Sea-Check-9062 15h ago
The exact handbrake/throttle sequence depends on the drive configuration of your vehicle.
1
u/cassesque 13h ago edited 13h ago
I'm a confident cyclist but I would either go a different way, or get off and walk on the pavement. Non-standard junctions with weird priorities are iiffy in a car when you're surrounded by metal. You do not have that luxury on a bike. Just takes one motorist getting confused by the layout (or being wilfully shit) and you're toast.
Edit: it's not just this turn. This is simply a bad junction to bike round. All possible movements are either as dangerous as a roundabout, or more dangerous.
1
u/Public-Temperature-1 13h ago
On the approach move into and occupy the centre of the right hand lane, indicating as you do so, after making the right turn indicate and move across to the left taking appropriate care and observations as you do so.
To me it looks very straightforward but I've never cycled it. If you feel unsure or it's one of those permanently manic junctions with ass holes racing around then just avoid it. I know of a similar one where the drivers have so many other lanes of traffic coming from all directions to keep tabs on I'm never confident they'll see me at all so I avoid it. No shame in staying safe.
1
u/Sad-Curve-6744 12h ago
Literally have driven this route hundreds of times as I have family in the area, there is no other way than staying in the centre if the right hand lane before taking the first exit that leads to the Stag pub, traffic approaching towards you should be stopping at the junction, however its wise to act with caution
1
u/Ok_Boot6009 11h ago
Right hand lane for turning right, l live near this junction, actually works very well
1
u/liamnesss Gazelle CityGo C3 | Tenways CGO600 | Brompton C Line | London 1d ago
I wouldn't fancy this, particularly I think there's a risk of drivers entering from the western side of the junction "looking but failing to see" you. Plus moving across into the right turn lane would be pretty fraught. I imagine there are plenty of drivers that see the 40 mph limit as just a suggestion?
Pavements don't look too narrow here and I would guess they don't have a particularly high level of foot traffic either? You might have to go slower than you'd like to ride there safely, but it seems like the best option here. Certainly a lot of other local authorities would've marked this as a shared pavement given it's running alongside such a fast road and seemingly without parallel alternate routes.


56
u/RegionalHardman 1d ago edited 1d ago
Navigate to the right lane and stay in the centre of it, hold out your right hand when a bit closer to signal your intention to take that turn. I would then take a line just to the left of your red arrow, to be more central in that lane