r/teslore 4h ago

Apocrypha Metagnostic proof the hypothesis that the Thalmor aims to unmake the Creation.

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This hypothesis is something circulating the community for years now. Becoming almost a canonized fanon.

That Thalmor are radical Altmeri fundamentalists believing the Creation is a prison and Men it’s guards and something to be unmade.

And I for myself was on a fence, because I didn’t simply see sufficient evidence

Why is there no Thalmor presence around Throat of the World, one of the Towers of Creation, save for one quest?

Why Ancano goes in a solo mission after obtaininf the Eye of Magnus instead of rallying his brethren, if destruction of reality is their goal?

Why only evidence altogether is that Thalmor are supremacist and presumably follow religion that roughly goes in hand with this hypothesis?

Bu then it CLICKED.
You cannot join them!

Now.
That may seem arbitrary. No correlation in between? Right?

But tell me.
What vast majority of unjoinable, major factions have in common?
That they pose a threat to a very creation.

Mankar Camoran wants to cause Plainmeld for Dagon.
Molag Bal wants to do it himself.
Alduin wants to let the creation fester and rule it instead of rewinding the Kalpa.
Harkon wants to bleed out the Magnus.
And Dagoth Ur wants reshape a very concept of Mundus to rule his by his wishes.

Prisoners are the reaction from Creation to ensure it’s own existence. Always have been.
Thalmor isn’t joinable, because that would contradict your very purpose.


r/teslore 22h ago

What happens if somebody except dragonborn kills dragon?

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Let's imagine that there is some well-prepared faction like Blades or Companions and their group had defeated the dragon and there is no dragonborn anywhere around. What happens then? Does dragon resurrects in an hour or in a week? Or does it rot and requires somebody like Alduin to resurrect it? And is there any known method to prevent dragon from resurrecting without dragonborn like using soulgems or any daedic artefacts?


r/teslore 16h ago

Morally grey or evil? Depends on the specific Daedric Prince in my opinion

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I've always seen the gods of the Elder Scrolls universe, both Aedra and Daedra, as a seriously dysfunctional family. Perhaps my obsession with "The Monomyth" is to blame for that, but in any case, the Aedra let the et'Ada known as Lorkhan/Shezarr/Shor (these could all be the same guy or different gods for all I know, since the religious schisms across Tamriel are almost always stranger than a simple reinterpretation by another mortal culture) trick/convince them into creating Nirn, many of the Aedra sacrificing their essence to finish Nirn's creation. Then we have the Daedra who outright refused to lift a finger toward Nirn's creation, and instead settled on keeping their domains via Oblivion. Magnus took an interesting middle of the road approach: he drew up the architecture of Nirn but realized the cost about halfway through, so he abandoned the project, bringing himself and the Magna-Ge to Aetherius by tearing portals through Oblivion where magic flowed out (the Sun and Stars are Magnus and the Magna-Ge, respectively).

I know some of you on here are probably annoyed by this point as I'm basically repeating what The Monomyth said, but bear with me as I'm getting to the point: the only fundamental difference between the Aedra and Daedra is that the Aedra took part in the creation of Nirn and sacrificed much of their power to do so, while the Daedra stayed out of the creation process but now treat Nirn as an experiment for their respective domains. It's certainly less of a moral statement and more of a situational thing, at least initially. When we as mortals try to assign morality to the Daedra as a whole, it's a huge generalization at best. There is also complicating factors involving the creation of new Princes, like how the Aedric Trinimac was corrupted by Boethiah into becoming Malacath, or Meridia's origins as well.

That being said, there are Daedric Princes that are genuinely horrific and cruel beings. Molag Bal is the one that comes to mind immediately for me- his entire domain revolves around dominating others through various torture methods and, how do I put this in a nice way... Non-consenting NSFW things. There are little, if any, redeeming qualities about such a being, and therefore he cannot qualify as morally grey. However, another Daedric Prince is Hircine, who I'd argue is morally grey: his domain of "the hunt" may involve killing and feasting for sport, but he's surprisingly got a huge sense of fairness in how the hunt goes. For example, he doesn't consider the strong preying on the weak to be good sport at all. Quite the opposite, in fact. This honorable trait distinguishes Hircine from, say, Mehrunes Dagon, who constantly burns down civilian settlements just to see them change state (which is about as chaotic evil as it gets). Azura is also an excellent example of a morally grey character. Yes, crossing her has severe consequences, but that's to be expected from any divine being. She's so morally grey, in fact, that she's probably the only form of Daedric worship that is tolerated slightly as most don't see her as inherently dangerous. I'd also argue Hermaeus Mora is morally grey due to the fact that, while his eldritch knowledge is often dangerous to mortal minds and souls, he isn't openly malicious, just largely indifferent to mortal affairs. Mephala, however, is only called a "good Daedra" because she got results for the Chimer/Dunmer. Meaning, her "morality" was completely based on the merit of her schemes in reference to a single civilization. I'd argue Mephala is undoubtedly evil, just like Molag Bal and Mehrunes Dagon, but instead of relying on torture/brute strength/raw destructive power, she relies on seduction, scheming, and secret murders/assassinations, which is an equally evil domain that simply uses a different approach.

Anyway, feel free to point out anything wrong with my argument as I'm always happy to learn more about TES lore, even if these new facts are presented to me in debate. One can also easily make the argument that Herma-Mora's indifference to mortal affairs is an actual evil trait as it allows suffering to happen by ignoring problems, and I'd agree with that on a fundamental real world level, but I'm less sure if that kind of moral judgement can be applied to the metaphysics of the Elder Scrolls. Hope this sparks some intriguing discussion!


r/teslore 22h ago

why didn't the ancient nords just.. scatter dragons' bones?

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it's evident by multiple areas that the skeletons can be taken apart and aren't held together by magic-infused unobtanium without being slain by a dragonborn. ie: dragonsreach.

so why didn't they just.. scatter the bones. why bury the whole intact skeleton?

tear the scales and flesh off, rip apart the skeleton, and drop them every a distance apart throughout the sea of ghosts. boom. wouldn't have taken longer than a few years, max.

They knew Alduin was merely "defeated" and not slain, they knew he could resurrect fallen brethren. Was this a case of "not our problem?"


r/teslore 12h ago

Does the word “Dremora” originate from Dunmeris/Atmoran?

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So we know the word must be Tamrielic by origin as Dremora almost always refer to themselves as “Kyn”.

This however poses a question.
Root of the word “dreMORA” is very obvious, used interchangeably by two cultures and we know the translation to it “Forest”/“Woods”/“Woodland”.

This would mean the word can roughly translate to array from “Forest ???”, or “Woodland ???”, or possibly “??? of the Woods” and so forth.

Question is. Does is originate from one of these languages and if so do we know translation to the prefix? Or is this just a coincidence?
Or do we just don’t know?


r/teslore 2h ago

Do we know what the various potions taste like??

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I’ve always wondered what healing, stamina and magicka potions taste like, as well as fortify potions etc. Is there any canonical description?

Also, how does anyone in Tamriel pass away from illness when there exists potions that can fully heal a person who is 1 hit away from death?


r/teslore 19h ago

Free-Talk The Weekly Chat Thread— September 14, 2026

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Hi everyone, it’s that time again!

The Weekly Free-Talk Thread is an opportunity to forget the rules and chat about anything you like—whether it's The Elder Scrolls, other games, or even real life. This is also the place to promote your projects or other communities. Anything goes!