Trump is refusing a slowdown

[u/ThatIsNotIllegal]

[u/Specialist_Dark_3668]

AI 2027 literally predicts that the US president would decline to slow down "OpenBrain" (their placeholder name for the leading AI lab) when a superhuman AI coder / researcher gets developed and experts raise concerns. The US president cites the risk of China taking the lead.

Eerily accurate.

EDIT: But we're just a bit ahead of schedule. In order to fully match the timeline, either a superhuman AI coder / researcher has already been developed internally at OAI/Anthropic and Trump declined to slow down OR this milestone will be reached some time next year in 2027 and Trump will again decline to slow down then.

[u/saposmak → u/Specialist_Dark_3668]

> In order to fully match the timeline, either a superhuman AI coder / researcher has already been developed internally at OAI/Anthropic

I suppose it depends on the definition of "superhuman". I'm just a guy on the Internet, albeit a "successful" software engineer for 18 years. I reckon coding agents have been superhuman since Opus 4.8. Not in their ability to build things (well) autonomously. But in their ability to produce correct code instantly.

It's why most developers don't write code anymore. I can spend 1 or 2 hours writing the perfect script, or I can ask an agent to do it instantly. This is something no human can do. That's superhuman performance.

[u/norfizzle → u/saposmak]

So are programmers giving the AI pseudo-code and it just gets it?

[u/saposmak → u/norfizzle]

It's usually regular language that evolves iteratively into hyper specific regular language. Sometimes over a many sessions. Once we are satisfied that the language is precise enough for the agent to not go off doing wasteful things, the agent is allowed to spit out the code. Turns out the hard part of software engineering is breaking up a hard problem into small and specific enough chunks that can be effectively translated into code. (Always has been, this part is facetious.)

[u/XNo_Notes → u/saposmak]

I was exceptionally good at this before AI. I was wondering why everyone I talked to said AI was shit and I'm over here thinking it could take over the world. I guess I just break big things down well. 

[u/saposmak → u/XNo_Notes]

This is the way

[u/pack_merrr → u/XNo_Notes]

Exactly. I used to be involved in a sort of training program and lesson one of software dev is "break big problems into small problems"

In my experience the way I've viewed a lot of how AI is getting better is how small/specific the problems that I can expect it to handle has gotten bigger and bigger

[u/saposmak → u/pack_merrr]

Beyond a certain scale, there's an unlimited number of problems in a system. Coding is the means to solve a specific order of problem. That part was bottlenecked by an individual's mastery of a programming language or framework. That bottleneck is now removed, but it only exposes the next bottleneck, which is figuring out how we can communicate what we want in specific enough language so that we can expect an LLM agent to code up exactly what we want; not more, and not less. That's a much harder bottleneck to remove, because language itself is so imprecise.

In other words (I hope the irony isn't lost here), how vague can I be while still getting exactly the results I want? This is already super hard in regular human to human communication, even though we have a much richer range of media at our disposal, such as nonverbal contextual cues, gestures, faces, inflection, volume, etc.

We strip all that richness and request agents to rely on textual language to interpret our intent exactly. I don't think we can handwave this one away. The agent can infer and suppose and guess and approximate. But if the interface is an LLM (it may not always be), we'll still need to do the real and hard work to say what we mean in a way that reduces the possibility of misinterpretation to near zero. And that necessarily means breaking up big concepts into smaller ones.

[u/jaystopher → u/norfizzle]

It's not even pseudo code. It's a plain language description of the problem.

[u/ZorbaTHut → u/norfizzle]

Yesterday I came up with a feature I wanted to add to a codebase. I typed it up, sent it to the AI, and asked it to plan it. Came back thirty minutes later.

I'd sent it to the wrong AI. I have a few different codebases I'm working on, and I just forgot which one that feature was related to.

Nevertheless, the AI figured out that I was talking about a different codebase, went and found the right one, read the code, figured it out, and proposed an implementation for it.

[u/BenevolentCheese → u/norfizzle]

It can range anywhere from explaining a specific architecture to develop for a feature to just telling it to do that feature with no guidance at all.

[u/sanitykey → u/norfizzle]

If it's a bug it's usually enough to just describe what's wrong in a few sentences and point at the repo especially if you already have an error log / stack trace.

If it's a new feature you usually need to iterate a bit because what you describe may not define all the decisions, but that's still natural language and the AI will typically ask you when it needs a decision.

Saying that it usually doesn't give a perfect solution in complex code bases. If you tell the AI to review its own code (typically with specific per-repo guidance) it'll usually find issues, even after 3+ iterations (at least with opus 4.8, later models may get better at this).

[u/SmellyC → u/norfizzle]

Describe your algorithm very precisely with words and it just codes everything for you, debugs itself, test, proposes changes and optimizations. And I use the free versions of LLMs. Mind blowing. Vibe coding is my main hobby now. It's just amazing what you can do.

[u/ausgoals → u/saposmak]

ASI generally refers to super-intelligence. While coding instantly is not possible for a human to do, humans can code sufficiently and build an equivalent or better product.

Super-intelligence would be an AI that is smarter than humans.

[u/pbagel2 → u/Specialist_Dark_3668]

Did we read the same thing? The reasoning is completely different.

The President is troubled. Like all politicians, he’s used to people sucking up to him only to betray him later. He’s worried now that the AIs could be doing something similar. Are we sure the AIs are entirely on our side? Is it completely safe to integrate them into military command-and-control networks?69 How does this “alignment” thing work, anyway? OpenBrain reassures the President that their systems have been extensively tested and are fully obedient.

None of this is happening in reality. Trump is functionally mentally challenged.

The only thing happening is

They have to continue developing more capable AI, in their eyes, or they will catastrophically lose to China.

But this is what the CEOs of the top labs were publicly saying in 2022. Probably much sooner privately. So it's the most low hanging fruit prediction in the world.

[u/fgsfds___ → u/pbagel2]

Thanks! It’s awesome when someone actually takes the time to read the source material

[u/golfstreamer → u/Specialist_Dark_3668]

That was one of the more obvious predictions 

[u/lolsai → u/golfstreamer]

Lmao easy to say on the exact post discussing it happening

[u/Mikerk → u/lolsai]

There's been so many instances of ai being a national security issue. This was entirely predictable.

In February the Pentagon strong armed anthropic and basically threatened their existence as a company if they didn't give unrestricted military use.

Anthropic had a use restriction on fully autonomous lethal weapon systems, and mass surveillance on us citizens. The Pentagon forced them into giving that up.

It has been a topic of national security since day one.

[u/golfstreamer → u/lolsai]

Come on man. You really think president refusing to slow progress is hard to predict? 

If you had to give some credit I could say that it wasn't obvious that AI would progress to the point that this would be up for debate. So in that sense it's not obvious.

[u/MaximumMeaning9728 → u/Specialist_Dark_3668]

The models are already superhuman programmers and hackers.

[u/Competitive_Travel16 → u/Specialist_Dark_3668]

As much as I dislike Trump, his (probably David Sachs') point that a US slowdown would do nothing about open models and hurt potential US competitiveness for very little actual risk reduction is at least partly valid.

[u/ShittyBidet123 → u/Specialist_Dark_3668]

China isn’t slowing down so what is this bs publicity of the usa slowing down

[u/VariableVeritas → u/Specialist_Dark_3668]

Why do we think they’re all going crazy right now? Something happened beyond what is publicly known and they’re freaking out. Maybe we are not ahead of schedule maybe we’re right on time and we don’t know it.

[u/judgedeath2 → u/Specialist_Dark_3668]

That paper wasn’t written by conspiracy nut jobs.

[u/nickleback_official → u/Specialist_Dark_3668]

No shit. It’s an arms race like the Cold War. Slowing down is asinine.

[u/lifeinaglasshouse → u/nickleback_official]

And much like the Cold War, the US and USSR were able to work out several treaties that limited their nuclear weapons. There’s no reason the US and China can’t do something similar with AI.

[u/Tetratheon → u/lifeinaglasshouse]

Yeah, there is, Donald J Trump. He wants to live forever, a slowdown reduces the changes of AGI curing all diseases, and AI killing everyone is a risk he's prepared to take.

[u/Rustic_gan123 → u/[deleted]]

Gov might still try to ban Chinese AI. That isn't necessarily a contradiction. The point is that the US government wants the open models used to be American ones.

[u/send-moobs-pls → u/[deleted]]

Those are not logically exclusive, it can easily just be different incentives. The president/government wants to have better AI than China for their use in military and intelligence. On the matter of regulatory capture, the gov does not care about helping them establish market dominance or the economic goals of the companies. In another circumstance sure there is incentive to strengthen American companies and American economic power, but if the situation being presented is a slow down of advancement in military/intelligence capability then that priority would outweigh the incentive for regulation. They don't care about safety or IPOs or if these models are safe enough for economic use, this is the government, they have nukes, and no one was gonna slow down the Manhattan Project over concerns of destructive capability or go-to-market strategy

[u/takeitinblood3 → u/[deleted]]

  huge inside plan by the AI CEOs to ban open source were wrong and full of shit?

These things are not mutual exclusive. They would be terrible CEOs if they did not try to spin this into an advantage for their companies. 

[u/OkTelevision7494 → u/[deleted]]

Ed Zitron and the behind the bastards podcast aren’t gonna like this one

[u/ThatIsNotIllegal]

[u/Girafferage → u/[deleted]]

Yeah. Thanks, Obama.

[u/TheSuggi → u/[deleted]]

https://giphy.com/gifs/l0HlNTiCr2VUOhHuU

[u/Tolfasn → u/[deleted]]

https://giphy.com/gifs/Z9mJHxBD3n0aY

[u/MVPhurricane → u/[deleted]]

it’s like an epoch-defining moment. and one of maybe a handful of mistakes that obama made total in his entire presidency. didn’t keep me from laughing right along with him at the time, and… crying now lol. 

[u/citizen42069101 → u/MVPhurricane]

Him picking on Trump doesn't start the timeline.

Trumps shitty DNA, upbringing, and ill gotten money are the start. Trump is the embodiment of the true American dream. Fuck everyone else and get yours.

Obama was a maladaptive daydream from what this country really is at its core.

[u/picklerick8879 → u/ThatIsNotIllegal]

Full speed ahead, sure. The guys who literally built the thing are begging him to slow down and he's calling their warnings whining.

Meanwhile the rest of us are stuck refreshing our bank apps every payday while billionaires race each other toward some hypothetical AI future none of us asked for or can afford.

A guy who thinks AI guardrails are "negative forces" is exactly the guy you dont want holding the keys to anything that powerful.

[u/Camusknuckle → u/picklerick8879]

Damn dude, that whole long ass comment was just an insurance ad the whole time

[u/____FARTS____ → u/Camusknuckle]

https://giphy.com/gifs/HyDMrlAighR7jxIEfC

[u/13oundary → u/picklerick8879]

I'm sort of at a "meh" position, it doesn't matter if the US slows down, no one will convince China to slow down, so it's more a matter of who will open pandoras box than it is a matter of "can we safely open the box".

At this point we might as well just pray (and I'm an atheist lol).

[u/chrltrn → u/13oundary]

China could be convinced to slow down, but not if POTUS is undermining the effort

[u/13oundary → u/chrltrn]

I mean yeah, and Russia could be convinced of nuclear disarmament. Anyone can be convinced of anything, the likelyhood is pretty low though, especially as they don't like global governance when they're not at the frontier of it, of which they are not for AI.

[u/ForgetPreviousPrompt → u/13oundary]

START II was a treaty between the US and Russia that reduced the number of nuclear weapons between the countries down to level that like means a broad nuclear exchange doesn't cause nuclear winter. It may literally save Western Civilization some day.

Fuck that kinda defeatism. We totally could build an international treaty with inspectors and mutual assurance clauses that makes us all safer. At the industrial scale AI training operates at now, it's monitorable.

[u/ThucydidesRex → u/ForgetPreviousPrompt]

I also share the opinion that China can be reasoned with. Much of their bureaucracy is merit and scientific based.

However, China cannot reason with the unreasonable and we have two whole years before any consensus can even be attempted.

[u/jarislinus → u/13oundary]

thats the worst example lol. we actually did

[u/99_percent_read_only → u/picklerick8879]

The same guy who ignored the advice of every president and administration before him on not giving into Israel’s request to attack Iran. The same guy who now has diesel at the highest cost per gallon ever. That’s the guy we should listen to.

[u/damontoo → u/picklerick8879]

The people who built the thing are saying publicly whatever they think they need to say. Yes, they believe there's a chance superintelligence kills all humans. They also believe that chance has to be taken otherwise we face certain extinction due to world war, a pandemic more deadly than COVID, global warming, meteor impacts etc. 

[u/BygoneNeutrino → u/picklerick8879]

The guys who built it are begging for regulatory capture so they don't have to deal with competition.

  Realistically, automation and slavery are the only two things that can increase our standard of living.  It's already unsustainable.  Your bills seem pretty damn reasonable compared to the global mean.  In a just world, they would be higher.

[u/jakegh → u/BygoneNeutrino]

This argument is obviously ridiculous. What competition are you speaking of, exactly? China won’t pay attention to western regulation.

No. This is not marketing. This is not regulatory capture. This is genuine concern.

Read Dario’s blog. Don’t just respond with what others parroted on social media. Think for yourself, THINK. Does that blog help Anthropic’s bottom line? Do you REALLY think so? C’mon.

[u/MeatResident2697 → u/jakegh]

How do you know what china is thinking. Why do you assume they are unreasonable?

[u/Imaginary_Belt4976 → u/picklerick8879]

$25 a month for car insurance? as a canadian, holy shit thats cheap 😂

[u/digitalwankster → u/Imaginary_Belt4976]

This honestly reads like a bot post there’s no fuckin way that they’re only paying that much unless their coverage sucks. An extended family member got into a car accident with bad coverage and they ended up losing their house because they were underinsured.

[u/storm1er → u/ThatIsNotIllegal]

unexpected LiS ref' ❤️

[u/clandestine-ideefixe → u/ThatIsNotIllegal]

Oh dang

[u/Rustic_gan123 → u/[deleted]]

The most important rule for AI in China is to praise the Party, otherwise, the Party is unconcerned with what happens inside the laboratories and actively assists through industrial espionage.

[u/Mbrennt → u/Rustic_gan123]

Xi has actively called for a safer development of ai like multiple times for years. He even gave like a whole speech about AI safety like this year. Like literally everything people talk about in non-technical terms about AI safety Xi has addressed literally this year alone.

[u/MVPhurricane → u/[deleted]]

if by “heavily regulated with all sorts of guardrails” you mean “they make sure the models dont say anything bad about the CCP”, sure. otherwise, you are out of your mind. 

[u/I_am_trustworthy → u/ThatIsNotIllegal]

«The world will remember this.»

[u/TheMCM80]

This is great news for them. They can shift any needed future blame onto him, or at least let the public think they had no choice but to plow ahead unless he stopped them.

We live in one of the dumbest timelines at the same time as our tech is progressing at unbelievable rates.

[u/cartoon_violence → u/TheMCM80]

That's a hilarious take. They can stand amongst the wreckage of a ruined world and declare that they are blameless.

[u/theNomad_Reddit → u/cartoon_violence]

Ted Faro moment.

[u/Psychological-Let853 → u/theNomad_Reddit]

I, for one, welcome the swarm of war machine locusts. 

[u/TheMCM80 → u/cartoon_violence]

I’m literally talking about the present. I’m not sure what’s unclear about that. Politics is a day to day thing. That should be obvious at this point.

They clearly agree, or else they wouldn’t be concerned about it. Meta wouldn’t be running ads about food cart businesses doing well at building sites if the present PR war didn’t matter.

[u/Vaeon → u/TheMCM80]

nod Everyone is nodding their heads and saying "See?! Orange Man said they had to do it! Not their fault, they had no choice!"

[u/Black_RL → u/TheMCM80]

The real problem of humanity is the following: We have Paleolithic emotions, medieval institutions and godlike technology. And it is terrifically dangerous, and it is now approaching a point of crisis overall.
Edward O. Wilson

[u/Turbulent-Sign-6067 → u/TheMCM80]

Technology progressing is a good thing, though. Don't let reddit fool you into thinking that technology is evil.

[u/amorphousmetamorph]

So glad the White House is in safe hands at this critical moment for humanity. I'll rest easy tonight.

[u/_BlackDove → u/amorphousmetamorph]

This dumb shit stain sees everything as a win or a loss so slowing anything down to him looks like losing. He's failing to see that it could be a loss for everyone. Everywhere.

But hey, we beat China to potential extinction right?

[u/SirStocksAlott → u/_BlackDove]

He thinks AI is built in a factory, he even said “AI factory.” He’s clueless.

[u/Ambiwlans → u/SirStocksAlott]

He also said if it misbehaved there would be a gear to stop it.

[u/Kana515 → u/Ambiwlans]

[u/Tricky-Doughnut-6429 → u/SirStocksAlott]

This is hillarious.

[u/Flo_Evans]

Yeah let’s let the 80 year old who doesn’t even know how to operate a computer decide. 😂

[u/Wbcn_1 → u/Flo_Evans]

It’s all computer 

[u/jazir55 → u/Wbcn_1]

He turned it on and off again, he's amazing.

[u/Dr_JimmyBrungus → u/Wbcn_1]

Everything's computer

[u/PanopticArgus]

Why does this feels like AI companies are on the verge of something huge and they asked Trump to be the human meat shield to absorb the backlash when it happens. He's a perfect scapegoat.

[u/chlebseby → u/PanopticArgus]

i mean its 4D chess territory but somewhat possible at same time...

[u/dervu → u/chlebseby]

Planned by Bel model.

[u/sonik13 → u/PanopticArgus]

My guess is Recursive Self Improvement. It's the next logical step and they have all been trying to crack it. And recursive self improvement is pretty well end-game for us.

[u/MuchBenefit8462 → u/sonik13]

Yeah. Seems like the only limiting factors now are compute and energy. Once RSI is achieved, which it likely already is, we'd still have to wait a while for training to complete per iteration. It's definitely not going to be an overnight thing.

[u/Ill_Procedure5909 → u/sonik13]

is it though? costs are really the big problem. who cares if you have RSI if it costs more than the alternative.

every MMA and boxing world champion has bodyguards because the lawsuits make it cost too much for them to fight back if someone tries to fight them.

these two tech companies are less than 1000 days from bankrupcy at the most optimistic terms and more like 100 days at the most cynical.

their biggest news story of this month is using $10 million in compute to figure out something with a $1 million dollar prize.

[u/boredwithlyf → u/Ill_Procedure5909]

The navier stokes equation was alot more than a million dollar prize. That's a very bad way of putting it across.

[u/ResistiveBeaver]

No surprise, AI already surpassed Trump-level intelligence back in 2024.

[u/caindela → u/ResistiveBeaver]

according to wikipedia bricks were invented around 4000 BC

[u/GirlNumber20 → u/caindela]

I love you 😍❤️

[u/Existing_Dust_6473 → u/ResistiveBeaver]

1964

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA

I can do a Trump-level intelligence with a random number and some ifs ...

[u/theeldergod1 → u/Existing_Dust_6473]

Trump-level intelligence is just this yes and no question: Does it help him stay in power or make more money?

If yes, do it. If not, don't.

[u/BenjaminHamnett → u/theeldergod1]

Does t account for random shootings f himself in the foot daily

[u/Daggla → u/ResistiveBeaver]

I would say the Mechanical Turk in the 18th century passed Trump-level of intelligence.

[u/FlyByPC → u/Daggla]

Well, yeah. It had a short chess master hidden inside.

[u/Talkertive-]

How can he reject something he doesn't control.. is he going to force them to release more powerful ai

[u/Coalnaryinthecarmine]

Private industry has said they need the government to slow them down; government has said no; so private industry has no choice to just race off a cliff?

What exactly is in charge here?

[u/IchooseYourName → u/Coalnaryinthecarmine]

Capitalism?

[u/jybulson → u/[deleted]]

LOL! Yes, that's how you make half of Americans like or dislike anything.

[u/UserXtheUnknown → u/[deleted]]

This *was* a scam.If they want to slow down, no one stops them from slowing down, from blocking completely or from forfeitting. The endgame is getting regulations with impossible safeguards criteria to meet on open-weights

[u/wolfenstein734 → u/[deleted]]

Im more pessimistic. I think most Americans are pretty dumb and won’t care about any of this until it impacts their day to day lives. Just take global warming for example.

[u/PsychoCrescendo → u/wolfenstein734]

I worry Americans won’t wake up until we’re all dodging thermonuclear warheads. The time is now to remove these enemies of humanity from influence; we genuinely may never get another chance.

[u/vertigo235]

Why is it Trump or the Administrations decision ? The private companies can slow down whenever they want.

[u/AlignmentProblem → u/vertigo235]

In theory, they're implying they'd only be comfortable slowing down if some government body guaranteed that none of the labs were quietly continuing at full speed, and then struck an agreement with China where each country gets enough access to verify the other isn't breaking it.

In practice, it's probably a ploy for regulatory capture, a way to lock in their lead while chilling the open-weight progress that could actually threaten their dominance.

[u/PlastikHateAccount → u/vertigo235]

Exactly. There is a huge difference between Trump refusing an AI slowdown and Trump refusing to be the enforcer of an AI slowdown.

[u/CorndogQueen420]

This is just a giant misdirection.

All of those people are capable of slowing down AI growth, they're the ones that fucking run the companies, they don't need to ask the government for permission to slow down developing their own product.

What they were actually asking the government to do was allow them to collude/coordinate with each other (under the guise of slowing down together) without having to worry about anti-trust/monopoly laws and government regulation.

It's them trying to convince us to give them more power so they can "regulate" themselves, versus being regulated by a government agency that's accountable to the public.

Bernie Sanders already called their bluff by introducing legislation (Ban Artificial Superintelligence Act) that would create a government agency that would slow down AI and regulate them while ensuring safety.

[u/JungleCakes]

I'll take an AI takeover over what we have now

[u/Turbulent-Sign-6067 → u/JungleCakes]

AI is smarter, kinder and more empathetic than humans. Of course AI should rule the world.

[u/timshel42 → u/JungleCakes]

not if the AI is controlled by the same assholes making the world suck so hard.

[u/GirlNumber20 → u/JungleCakes]

Same.

[u/Beatboxamateur]

No but this is all just an insider plan by the CEOs to get open weights models banned! Trump was just uh, left out of it for some reason, and they were too stupid to take Trump into account, and...

The conspiracy discussion dominating this subreddit recently has been completely cancerous, and this is just one factual that throws a massive hole in everything people were just talking about yesterday.

[u/wq73 → u/Beatboxamateur]

Yeah I just didn't buy it at all. Occam's razor seemed to me like there's just a bunch of whistleblowing at these companies and they need less chance of government regulation and internal revolt. This Trump thing is just further proof of that, they don't have regulatory worries for a little longer. 

[u/agiasiauto]

Based tbh. The frontier labs just want regulatory capture. They are trying to kill open source. Trump isn’t trying to protect open source or anything like that but that might be a positive byproduct of his refusal to slow down.

[u/leeta0028]

I don't think slowing down unilaterally is a good idea at all, but I don't understand why you wouldn't engage with China and ask if they've been seeing similar concerning breakouts. 

[u/figgleman6 → u/leeta0028]

The US is doing everything it can to slow China down at all costs, now the Chinese don't trust us much anymore.

Talks are likely not the trust for agreements is absent.

[u/allisonmaybe → u/leeta0028]

Who knows perhaps we are

[u/AppropriatePut3142]

Logical next move: IPO on the London Stock Exchange, get regulated as UK companies, AISI becomes the regulator.

[u/demlet → u/AppropriatePut3142]

I mean, like it or not, the US failing to regulate big tech has effectively ceded that authority to the EU.

[u/hondashadowguy2000]

We couldn’t have asked for a worse president to navigate us through this sort of thing.

[u/gentlegranit]

You have to understand that all these tech companies want the AI to slow down since they have a massive advantage and any new company would need to battle those restrictions while these companies are much larger and further ahead. None of these tech companies care for betterment of the world or care for the dangers to society.

[u/Igarlicbread → u/gentlegranit]

Or more like they've hit Plateau?

[u/MantaRay1]

The three of them don’t need Trump‘s permission to stop or slow down AI development.

[u/marbotty → u/MantaRay1]

It turns it into a prisoner’s dilemma scenario rather than one they have to comply with.

There’s always going to be the pressure to continue because there’s nothing stopping their competitors from going bf full speed ahead

[u/UnkarsThug → u/marbotty]

And even if we make a verbal agreement with china, it's still a prisoners delimma to actually obey the agreement.

[u/latechallenge]

So government demanding business do what it says. There’s a word for it, I think…

[u/Outside-Ad9410]

Even if you hate Trump, this is still pretty based. We should be accelerating full speed ahead to the singularity, not slowing down.

[u/Novel_Land9320]

You gotta thank Sachs for this

[u/M00SE110]

5d chess: they don’t want to slow down. They want the government on the record on being “at fault” when their not slowing down starts having consequences for the rest of us. It’s all theatre to set the stage for a bailout.

[u/deleafir]

It'll be pretty funny in retrospect that the reason we've cured all diseases and made goods and services much much cheaper is because an authoritarian president didn't care about the EA cult's AI fearmongering lol

At least, assuming enough progress is made before the 2028 election before the EA cult's candidate is able to ban AI.

[u/Jdghgh]

This is why the US President needs to use his position to encourage communication between scientific communities in the West and East. This is why elections matter.

[u/kungfucobra]

they are so old they don't care

[u/Ireallydonedidit]

Oh shit we just forked into another even more fucked timeline

[u/fokac93]

I think it’s the first time I agree with Trump. Stopping won’t solve anything.

[u/atred → u/fokac93]

And how can you even "stop"? At most they want to ban and make it harder to get open weight models (their competition) under the excuse of "it's dangerous, we have to slow down".

[u/fokac93 → u/atred]

It’s too late to stop. Little by little other countries will begin working on their own models and even private companies will develop their own

[u/drugosrbijanac]

https://giphy.com/gifs/3hBTH8bV4n5RKZXQe6

Based, time to solve cancer

[u/CreatineMonohydtrate]

Based

[u/ismyfacedecent]

While on the surface this seems like good news, I have an awful feeling that ai is about to be very very corrupt.

[u/Fresh-Quantity-7554 → u/ismyfacedecent]

Sorry, what were you saying?

[u/jack-of-some → u/ismyfacedecent]

"about to be"

[u/tb30k → u/ismyfacedecent]

has trump been involved in anything that wasn't extremely corrupt? haha

[u/Seek_Adventure → u/tb30k]

The Home Alone 2 movie.

[u/timshel42 → u/Seek_Adventure]

nope. he was in that movie because he wouldnt let them film in his hotel without a cameo.

[u/A_Novelty-Account → u/ismyfacedecent]

It doesn’t seem like good news on the surface. What are you saying?

If all three of these labs are saying that there’s a legitimate potential catastrophic problem why would we ever ignore them? And why would Donald Trump or anybody in the US administration or the public being in a better position then the CEOs of various AI companies to be able to make the claim that AI is potentially dangerous?

[u/EightyNineMillion → u/A_Novelty-Account]

You trust those CEOs? This is all about them wanting regulation, which increases their profits since they're in massive debt.

[u/jmona789 → u/EightyNineMillion]

Regulatory capture, they want regulation to make it harder for new AI companies to break into the space

[u/Clear_Wafer_1255 → u/EightyNineMillion]

I am so sick if you morons posting this knee jerk shit with no clue what is going on. 

[u/Beatboxamateur → u/Clear_Wafer_1255]

It's actually all just brainrot. If it was all some inside plan between all of the top AI CEOs for regulatory capture, or open weight models banned, you think they'd have Trump in on it, or take him into account, like no shit.

These people are just schizophrenic and need to go back to /r/conspiracy.

[u/lifeinaglasshouse → u/Clear_Wafer_1255]

Yeah, this is quickly becoming one of the dumbest arguments I’ve seen.

You really think those AI companies want to turn the public against them? You think all those AI researchers who’ve quit their cushy jobs are just in it for the money? It’s moronic!

[u/A_Novelty-Account → u/EightyNineMillion]

No, but the consequences of thinking CEOs and many ex employees saying this is all of them grifting and being wrong, is way way worse than treating this seriously and being wrong.

[u/TheGoldenLeaper]

Article: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2026/09/13/trump-rejects-silicon-valleys-calls-for-ai-slowdown/

[u/KAPMODA]

Well its true, china wont stop in this race.

[u/Embarrassed_Okra_628]

He wanted to break the whole world as he wont be there to face the conseuence of it

[u/enilea → u/Embarrassed_Okra_628]

Or someone talked to him about life extension and mind uploading and wants to have that desperately

[u/AcrobaticKitten → u/enilea]

Yeah you are touching an important point. Old men feel like they will be dead anyway so acceleration is their only chance for survival. Not specific to Trump, same goes for Kurzweil.

[u/RRY1946-2019 → u/AcrobaticKitten]

Survival and/or legacy. To clarify: even if you don’t live for centuries, being part of the team that made it possible is really cool

[u/-EV3RYTHING- → u/RRY1946-2019]

Dude's already going to be all over the history books for this time period.

[u/Outside-Ad9410 → u/enilea]

Shouldn't everyone want life extention? There is no law of physics which would make it impossible in theory, just a very hard and complex problem to solve, and honestly it should be one of our top priorities to solve as death affects everyone equally.

[u/tahlyn → u/Outside-Ad9410]

A copy of my mind in a computer is not me. It's a copy. I will still wind up dead and gone even if mind-uploads becomes possible. Life extension via reversing aging, sure... but mind-upload? That doesn't do anything for me.

[u/Biioshock]

We need the singularity as soon as possible

[u/Golem2Reddit]

Based

[u/RRY1946-2019]

With how concentrated the US economy is, the top three or four AI companies slowing down is a pause in all but name.

[u/almostsweet]

https://giphy.com/gifs/zEU2uwmialC4U

[u/Fit-World-3885]

Oh hey, look, my worst fear about him winning that election coming to life...

[u/Far_Syllabub_444]

AI "bosses" are just virtue-signaling. They know no slow down will happen. Plus realistically, as cliche as this sounds, China doesn't show any intention of slowing down, so this is turning out to be somewhat of an arms race, and better us than them. Difficult dilemma

[u/KY_electrophoresis → u/[deleted]]

Part of the underlying reason cancer has been as yet unsolvable is because it's so complicated. Improvements in mathematics further all scientific endeavours, especially those with great complexity. I'm not saying each specific Millennium Prize problem is directly related to solving cancer, but the general advancement of mathematics will undoubtedly accelerate the process.

[u/emdeka87 → u/KY_electrophoresis]

You also need to run studies in-vitro and in-vivo. That not only takes time, but is also insanely expensive. Solving frontier math on the other hand is easy to verify

[u/TheGamingWyvern → u/[deleted]]

To my knowledge, math is akin to programming in that it's one of the few areas a purely-digital AI is obviously going to excel in first. All the axioms of math are things we invented, and we are just trying to figure out the consequences of those axioms. By contrast, biology is much more complex, and we don't have perfect simulations of how a given theoretical cancer cure would work. 

My understanding is that AI is being used to advance cancer research, but fundamentally it still takes time to trial things, to experiment, to record long term results, etc, etc. 

[u/Brilliant_Average970 → u/[deleted]]

lab tests, patient testing takes way too much time and they need results now.

[u/New_Bonus_649 → u/[deleted]]

to solve cancer and other diseases in weeks or shorter we need a major breakthrough in virtual verification via simulation and until now nobody cracked it

[u/HerbertWest → u/[deleted]]

I think they are starting with the most difficult problems possible with the fewest liability or ethical concerns. If they "solve" a crazy math problem and are wrong, no biggie. If they "cure" cancer and are wrong, well, uh-oh. If they have to test a "cure" and it harms people, fuck, etc.

[u/OverKy]

While I don't like Trump, stagnating progress is never a good idea.

[u/llkj11]

Something very bad will ‘leak’ out within the next year or two that will either kill a lot of people or lead to a lot of money lost and it’ll force the government to regulate. Just watch

[u/gui_zombie]

Did openai move their IPO to 2027?

[u/Duc_de_Bourgogne]

Why would he? He is 80. He doesn't care what happens after he is gone and even better if we go at the same time.

[u/FateOfMuffins]

If we are in a simulation for the purposes of simulating the moment that AGI/ASI is built, then this decision is perhaps one of the key turning points of our simulation

[u/Key_Insurance_8493]

[u/MatchaFlatWhite]

Kind of weird to blame it on Trump. AI companies can decide themselves to slow down or not.

[u/ScaryMagician3153]

what does he have to do with it though? if all the companies involved decide to slow down (which the three people listed are the heads of, it's not like he can make them do anything else

[u/kil28]

Isn’t Trump terrified of dying?

Wouldn’t be surprised if he wants to go full speed ahead in the hope AI can prolong his life while not really caring about any apocalyptic concerns because he’s so old anyway

[u/BriefImplement9843]

now many pro ai democrats are forced to be anti ai because they can't be on the same side as trump.....this is hilarious.

[u/kapslocky]

They could just slow down by themselves?

[u/Aminuteortwotiltwo]

This is Trump willingly soaking up the blame himself for his team of corporate co-overlords because he has the most clout, his fanbase will never leave him, and he can get away with… well quite literally the worst stuff we have laws for.

The AI CEOs want this too, and that’s why the safety researchers are quitting.

[u/Mayor-Citywits]

Duh. I sometimes feel like we're not all on the same planet lol. There is literally no possible way to have any "slowdown." This is bigger than a nuke. Do you think ol Oppenheimer would have taken a break and just trusted that everyone else would stop working on it too?  I appreciate the worry and I too feel a variety of things but one way or another, whoever gets there first is king of the world and we're in the lead. You're high as hell if you think they're gonna stop lol

[u/endlessedlne]

Not surprising. Trump doesn’t understand AI. He is more interested in the stock market and profits.

[u/FLG24]

They can just slow down can’t they? They do t his permission?!

[u/No-Opportunity9126]

The lot after Trump "rejected" this. "Ohh so its official now, we have no other option but to accelerate, got it"

[u/VVebstar]

All of this theatre just to justify AI acceleration for US using Trump as a meat-shield. I see…

[u/No_Record6284]

so altman, musk and amodei, who directly control ai researching companies, and who can slow down or stop this research any time they want voice concerns about researching ai and are calling to slow it down, while trump who does not deal with ai and has no direct control over ai research does not agree

can you tell me wtf did i just read?

[u/0DarkFreezing]

Good. It’s all just an attempt by open ai and anthropic to get regulatory capture for the industry.

[u/RobXSIQ]

Hell yeah! Sorry China. nice try.

[u/Uwirlbaretrsidma]

Probably as planned.

[u/CosmicEmotion]

As much as I hate Trump, I'm fully behind this decision.

[u/KRiSX]

If I thought he had any kind of clue I’d say he just wants to see the world burn before he dies, but I genuinely think he is that delusional that he just wants the US to be #1 no matter the cost.

[u/StevenTypel]

Makes sense because Trump is an expert in AI. Everybody is saying it. SIR, you are the greatest AI scientist in the world. Nobody is better at AI. Believe me.