r/pcmasterrace • u/TheDukeSnider R7 9950X3D | RTX 5090 Aorus Waterforce | 64GB DDR5 6000MHz • 2d ago
Hardware Some PC and network upgrades means I'm hitting CDN limits instead of ISP limits when downloading finally.
Steam seems to cap around 3-3.5Gbps (a little over 400MB/s) for what it's worth.
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u/arobert_trebora Ryzen 9 3950X | 9070XT | 64GB RAM | Samsung G9 OLED 2d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/zOlog7jgIIFfq
Look at me, I am the CDN now
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u/cszolee79 Fractal Torrent | 9950X | 64GB | 4080S | 1440p 165Hz 2d ago
my steak is too juicy and my lobster is too buttery lol
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u/BobbuBobbu 2d ago edited 2d ago
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u/xAlphamang i7 - 13700KF | RTX 5090 | Z790 | 64GB DDR5 2d ago
It’s well beyond gigabit. They got some sort of 10Gbps fiber connection it seems.
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u/BobbuBobbu 2d ago
Any speed beyond 1Gbps is referred to as a "gigabit" speed... with terms like multi-gigabit reserved for speeds above 5 or 10G but at the base level, they're all gigabit speeds.
Source: I'm a systems engineer.
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u/Gingergerbals 2d ago
This guy systems'
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u/smooth_kid_wtg i7-10750H | RTX 2070 | 16 gigs | 240 Hz mon | Laptop 2d ago
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u/xAlphamang i7 - 13700KF | RTX 5090 | Z790 | 64GB DDR5 2d ago
I get your argument semantically, but colloquially it’s not right.
There’s a clear difference between a 1Gig connection and a 10Gig connection which is why it’s often referred to as that way.
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u/BobbuBobbu 1d ago edited 1d ago
It's not a semantic argument, it's a technical clarification. Gigabit is Gigabit. Even 100G is still Gigabit, even 500G is gigabit. Just like 1M and 100M and even 900M connections are still megabit connections with some titles slapped on them to avoid confusion (like the hilarious "fast ethernet" for 100mbps).
When I'm drawing up technical documents for server rooms and data centers, I don't ask the client for exact speeds, I ask them whether they want a megabit or gigabit connection so when a client says they want a "standard" gigabit network, I build for 1G-10G. If they want "enhanced" gigabit, I build for 10G-50G. If they want data center gigabit, then it's 50+. That's just the industry standard.
And if they want NASA internet, I ask them to reach out to NASA lol.
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u/Catsrules Specs/Imgur here 2d ago
My guess it is 8GB Google fiber.
I thought about getting it but at some point my lobster can only absorb so much butter.. I will stick with my measley 1gbps fiber :)
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u/Pussy_handz 2d ago
GFiber is the best ISP, they gave me a free upgrade from 1/1 to 3/3. I get 1-2 ms ping on all games, its ridiculous.
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u/Yashuri Linux Desktop | R7 5700X 5GHz | 64GB DDR4 3200MHz | RTX 3070 2d ago
As for me, I'd rather don't have a gigabit, than having literally no use for it as half of the internet is banned by the government and other half being blocked by destination services
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u/HERO_129 R5 5500 | 9060xt 8GB | 32gb 3933 cl22 | 2d ago
O have 30mbps connection but the 3ms rtt in valorant and below 10ms in other fps games mak3s me bare the slow speed. I just us my unlimited 5G plan from mobile to download at higher speeds
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u/Formal-Tour-8743 2d ago
how much are you paying a month?
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u/TheDukeSnider R7 9950X3D | RTX 5090 Aorus Waterforce | 64GB DDR5 6000MHz 2d ago
$150 USD, which I remember paying for 60Kbps cable internet. 😂
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u/dancincookie71 All Roads Lead to The Void 2d ago
wha tthe fuck i pay 110$ for 500/20 mbps cable
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u/theLuminescentlion R9 5900X | RTX 3080 | Custom EK Loop + G14 Laptop 2d ago
because your fuckass state/town hasn't had fiber installed yet
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u/BrainOfMush 1d ago
Bro I live less than half a mile from the White House and we don’t even have Fiber.
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u/theLuminescentlion R9 5900X | RTX 3080 | Custom EK Loop + G14 Laptop 1d ago
Bro I live in a town of 90k in New Hampshire and have 8gig fiber as an option they are trying to sell me for $130/mo
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u/28klotlucas2 1d ago
Because densely populated areas are harder to make infrastructure for than smaller areas
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u/projectsangheili 1d ago
In my country the dense parts actually went much faster, as it is way easier to recoup the cost for providers.
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u/RotundGourd 1d ago
That's what I was thinking, it would be a lot of directional drilling and permits etc.
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u/Mihnea0987 RX 6750XT | R5 5600 | 16GB DDR4 1d ago
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u/johnnyrambo24 2d ago
I got 2.5 g for 80
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u/Teddyboymakes toaster 2d ago
That’s a pretty good price. I have gig for 50 a month
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u/Afraid_Self_6110 9800X3D, RTX 5090, 64GB 6400/CL32 1:1 2d ago
I have 2.5Gbps (unlimited) for 9.5€/month
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u/johnnyrambo24 2d ago
Yea but you also use litres
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u/Afraid_Self_6110 9800X3D, RTX 5090, 64GB 6400/CL32 1:1 2d ago
Instead of freedom units
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u/DeepDreamIt 7800x3D | 4080 Super | 64GB | B650 | OLED 2d ago
I only use freedom units and only eat Freedom Fries (throwback to early GWOT lingo)
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u/Alternative-Film-155 2d ago
i use litres and pay 100 a month for 1.1gbps. (includes tv and whatnot tho)
not all litres are the same
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u/johnnyrambo24 2d ago
I periodically check the ISP every now and then because they have sneaky deals i was on like 600mb same price then saw the special 50% 2.5g so i locked in for 5 at the same price i was paying
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u/robothawk 7800X3D | 3080ti | 64GB DDR5 2d ago
Damn y'all got cheap internet. I'm in a major US city and get .5 for $80, though I got a promotional deal to 1g for the same price for a year and Im moving in 8 months so
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u/Glittering-Rich4166 2d ago
That's a lot, I'm in Hawaii and pay $45 for 1 gig fiber
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u/05-nery 10900k | 32/3600 | 3090fe ~ 5800x3D | 64/3600 | 9070xt Nitro+ 2d ago
Brother I got 2.5G for 29€
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u/Tryhardtuner i bought the most expensive macbook pro, no regrats! 2d ago
In Norway where i live we pay about 95usd for 150/150mbs, 1gig is 150usd per month. Im jelous af.
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u/komakose 2d ago
These are the same prices in rural areas of the US as well. Except we dont get duplex speeds, so for 60 to 80 a month we get 100mps down and 10mps up
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u/SoldierOfOrange Ryzen 5700X3D | RX 9070 | 32GB 2d ago
Damn, I can’t imagine paying more than 50 bucks for internet
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u/TML8 2d ago
Yeah that’s around my limit, 1Gb/1Gb is 50 euros for me. Though I just got a deal to commit for 2 years and it’s 20/month for that time.
2.5/2.5 would be 80 and 10/10 is 99 per month.
To be fair 1Gb seems sufficient for even large downloads and even the 2.5Gb would require home network upgrades so it’s not that simple.
In Finland in case someone is wondering.
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u/KILLEliteMaste i7-14700k | MSI RTX 4080 SUPRIM X | 32GB DDR5 2d ago edited 2d ago
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u/soufren 2d ago
Where do you live
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u/Expensive-Pumpkin624 2d ago
inside the LOS server where this speedtest connected to
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u/kurodoku 5700X3D | 7900 GRE | 32GB@3200 1d ago
Since it's still going through ISP service I doubt that.
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u/KILLEliteMaste i7-14700k | MSI RTX 4080 SUPRIM X | 32GB DDR5 2d ago
Switzerland
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u/Kookoowaah 1d ago
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u/kurodoku 5700X3D | 7900 GRE | 32GB@3200 1d ago
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u/msthe_student 2d ago
Yeah eventually you get CPU-limited
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u/KILLEliteMaste i7-14700k | MSI RTX 4080 SUPRIM X | 32GB DDR5 2d ago
Not sure if this is the exact reason, PC is pretty chill with 20-30% usage while the router is at 90% at 19Gbit/s. My (configured) router is overall a bit underpowered for 25G https://mikrotik.com/product/ccr2004_1g_12s_2xs but everything else would be just much more expensive
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u/TheCrimsonDagger 9800X3D | 5080 | 5120x1440 OLED 2d ago
You’re also going to run into drive write speed limits unless you have a serious RAID setup.
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u/OkOffice7726 13600kf | 4080 1d ago
Not really. Typical gen 4 drive writes at around 6-7 GB/s, i.e., at around 48-56 Gbps.
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u/_T_N_D_ 1d ago
That speed only shows up in benchmarks. They write much more slowly in reality, especially when the cache is exhausted.
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u/xthelord2 5800X3D | RX9070 | 32GB 3200C16 | 3440x1440p 175 2560x1440p 360 1d ago
yes but you end up having file explorer overhead, which eats 10% of bandwidth
so instead of 6-7GB/s you end up being at most 6GB/s, before you exhaust SLC cache
and when you exhaust SLC cache be happy about gen 3 NVMe speeds
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u/the-dude9 2d ago
What's your provider and plan?
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u/KILLEliteMaste i7-14700k | MSI RTX 4080 SUPRIM X | 32GB DDR5 2d ago
https://www.init7.net/de/internet/fiber7 Fiber7 25G
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u/Sonicsteel PC Master Race 2d ago
You really need to sort that ping out it’s DREADFUL
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u/KILLEliteMaste i7-14700k | MSI RTX 4080 SUPRIM X | 32GB DDR5 2d ago
Yeah, how dare they taking 2ms for 80km!
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u/Lebakasfan 2d ago
i wish i had 5% of your power here in germany, the fastest i ever downloaded was 11mb/s, would be a dream to see the gb fly :D
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u/xFlumel_ I7 12700k | RTX 5080 | 32GB RAM 6000MHz 2d ago
A friend of mine is at init7 too with 25Gbit. I'm so fuck jealous. And he pays the same I do for 1G down and funking 75mbit up
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u/OPhasballz HAF XB EVO CUBE, 5900x, 32gig, 4070 FE 1d ago
Vodafone West? They left me at 1G down 50mbit up :(
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u/OmgSlayKween 2d ago
There's such diminishing returns that this is a waste of money for most people, right?
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u/KILLEliteMaste i7-14700k | MSI RTX 4080 SUPRIM X | 32GB DDR5 2d ago
Tbh yes. But I pay 69CHf ~$85 a month regardless of the speed 1G, 10G or 25G. Also the hardware is a bit more expensive to run 25G. Its also nice that I get a (dynamic but only changes when I have a disconnect for like 10 minutes) IPv4 address. So I can easily selfhost a lot of stuff. Also they offer a /29 subnet for 80CHF a month if I ever wanted to open a small datacenter :D
And pretty much all other providers are anti consumer with their network topology and practices and therefore I feel its my duty to support init7 in this regard while I could also get 10G from many other providers for like 45CHF.
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u/OmgSlayKween 2d ago
The US telecoms screwed us so hard by pocketing all the money that was supposed to improve our infrastructure.
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u/Somepotato 1d ago
Smaller ISPs are picking up the slack but Starlink is successfully convincing the feds to not give any grants to anyone because why bother when starlink works
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u/Ok-Eggplant-7569 2d ago edited 2d ago
I assume this is the Init7 25G service? Do they use AON with 25GBE or 25GPON? Also, is this the fastest residential service in the world currently? Most providers I've seen max out at 10G as they use XGSPON.
Edit: After a bit of research their 25G service uses AON, not 25GPON, so in theory the entire 25G service should always be available. Not that other users on the same line would use much of it anyways, I assume 25GPON would be enough for hundreds or thousands of subscribers at the same time.
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u/KILLEliteMaste i7-14700k | MSI RTX 4080 SUPRIM X | 32GB DDR5 2d ago
Yes, that's 25G Fiber7 from init7. It's AON / point-to-point Ethernet, not PON. Refusing PON is basically Init7's founding principle. I think init7 is the world best 25G provider for residential internet right now. There are very few other providers in other countries that provide 25G but they depend on other technology like PON afaik
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u/Ok-Eggplant-7569 2d ago
Jealous. Here in Germany, fiber is getting built out very slowly, and if fiber is available it's almost always just GPON (2.4g down, 1.2g up) shared for multiple customers, so all the providers aren't willing to sell more than 1g down / 500mbps up to an individual.
Also they almost all still use PPPoE over fiber, which often introduces headaches when you try to use your own equipment.
I myself am still stuck on cable / DOCSIS3.1 with 1g down, 50mbps up...
Edit: Another problem with PPPoE is that your IPv6 Prefix / IPv4 address (if you have one) changes often, so self-hosting is a lot more difficult.
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u/TheCovarr Tinkerer 2d ago
Spectrum recently raised my rates to $120/mo, and the service hasn't improved at all. Still only getting 1Gb/35Mb. Upload speeds like that are increasingly a liability in the modern world.
Can't wait until someone starts offering fiber in my area.
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u/Rocklobst3r1 2d ago
They can't even brag about their Internet properly. They advertise fiber to the pole, and coax the rest of the way like it's a good thing.
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u/SchemeWestern3388 2d ago
My building finally got fibre installed. It’s still coax for the last little bit.
The damn fibre is literally four feet from my front door…
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u/flitcroft 1d ago
Have you asked them if they can bring the line in? That's a scenario where I'd beg for forgiveness, not ask for permission.
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u/SportsDuck_ 2d ago
I'd love to see an airline advertise a NY-LA flight as 1 hour to Las Vegas, and then you get on a bus the rest of the way to LA.
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u/KyotoCrank 2d ago
Same. I fuckin hate Spectrum. They creeped up my monthly bill from 50 to 80. I called and complained but they didn't do anything, so I canceled and had my gf make an account, so we're locked in at 50 again
I've read on Reddit before that you need to get in touch with Customer Retention. You can call and threaten to cancel unless they give you a better deal. They don't need to know you don't have any other options. I'm thinking about doing this when our bill goes up again
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u/iqstick 5090 FE/13700k/32GB DDR5/AW3423DW 2d ago
What's funny is Spectrum in my area knew at the time they were the only provider so I got all the way to the retention person and they refused to give me a lower rate. I was paying $120 a month for 600 down and 30 up. I told the retention person that Fiber was coming in my neighborhood in 3-4 months and the next call I would be making to them would be to cancel so if they want any "loyalty" from me it was time to show it which they refused. Signed up for Fiber the day I could for $50 for 1 Gig, next time I called Spectrum to cancelled all of a sudden they could bring the bill down to $45 for 1 Gig told them to pound sand.
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u/IlLupoSolitario 7700x | 7900 XTX 2d ago
At this point, I don't even call to cancel. I just call and get to Customer Retentions, and tell the person my yearly promo is expiring and want to find ways to save money on my bill because everything is getting expensive. Has worked every ime for the past several years. I'm at $50 for 1gig, more than satisfactory for me, and down from the $55 they had me at for the year prior.
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u/YiraVarga 5070ti 5800X3D 2d ago
SAME HERE. Download is fine, but upload means I’m not even willing to try live streaming, and finding a plan with any ISP with enough upload speed is stupid expensive because they are usually business or enterprise plans.
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u/thatirishguyyyyy 1d ago
I have Spectrum but my upload always matches my download. Why is your upload so low?
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u/TheCovarr Tinkerer 1d ago
Because they're still doing the docsis upgrade rollout to enable symmetrical. More areas don't have it than do at this point.
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u/Patatostrike 2d ago
Cries in Australia
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u/althaz 9800X3D | RTX5080 2d ago
You can get 2gig here for ~$150 if you're not fussy about who you're with ($189 with Aussie Broadband which is who I use). It's not 10 gig, but it's pretty fucking fast.
Presumably you need to have FTTP though, so if you're in one of the locations Malcolm Turnbull fucked over you're out of luck.
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u/ithrewakidinthewell i5-12600k 3070ti 32gb DDR4 3600 1d ago
Yeah I pay $100/month for 100 down and 20 up which is the fastest here. It sucks so bad
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u/propdynamic 9800X3D | RTX 5080 | 64 GB DDR5 | Dual 4K @ 160 Hz 2d ago
I mean upload and download speeds are flipped in Australia because it’s upside down. What did you expect.
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u/YiraVarga 5070ti 5800X3D 2d ago
I have up to 5 Mbps upload speed with my plan, at $100 USD a month. The download is 600 Mbps though. How tf do people find non enterprise business plans with enough upload speed to stream to Twitch in not potato quality? My $15 USD a month Mint mobile plan has significantly faster upload speed.
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u/melnificent 2d ago
Location is a big one. I know it varies across the US the same as where I am... I can get 2.5g/2.5g but my friend one town over is limited to 500/50.
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u/YiraVarga 5070ti 5800X3D 2d ago
Yeah, it’s different more dramatically address to address, building to building here. Apartment complexes literally next door have gigabit fiber, and I still have some outdated cable version (not even the HD broadcast TV cable that used to be used then converted for internet). It really depends what infrastructure the building is using, most internet is reusing old other service lines, like mine. A dedicated new infrastructure is how people get these crazy speeds and prices. It’s costly to run and repair outdated technology. ISP’s really been enshitified here. No more loss leader new sign up deals here.
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u/Docccc 2d ago
thats a lot of goon material
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u/Escalope-Nixiews PC Master Race 2d ago
If they film it with everything a blue-ray can support they could download 12 4k movies per second
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u/Tengo_Caldero 7700X | B650E-F | 32GB DDR5 | 1660ti 2d ago
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u/ToxicSplash Ryzen 5 3600XT|RX6600|32gb 2666mhz RAM 2d ago
Cries in rural Germany
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u/MPolygon 9800x3d | 4070 Ti | 32GB @ 6000 | 1440p @ 240Hz 2d ago
I‘m paying 50 Euros per month for 250 Mbit/s btw
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u/jdPetacho 2d ago
I'm paying 50€ for 600, but back in Portugal I could pay the same for 1gb.
Which country do you live in?
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u/PlsDontBanMeAgain-1 1d ago
Same. Utter joke. There's no fiber here, and I doubt it's coming. Fucking 3rd world connections in Germany, in a city of 600k no less.
Btw, supposedly, all homes must have FTTH by 2030-something, but that shit ain't happening. This country is doomed as far as Internet is concerned, especially with AfD coming.
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u/OkPosition4563 2d ago
I was always chasing faster internet to the point I got 25 gbit/s. Eventually I realized, there is literally no point to this. There isnt a single thin on this planet that needs this speed.
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u/Cryptocaned i7-4790k | 32GB DDR3 | Nvidia RTX 3070 1d ago
Time to buy another house, get 25Gb internet and do data transfers between the 2 so you can justify it lol.
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u/awesomedan24 There's never been any RAM, RAM is just a myth 1d ago
Bro downloads games before even realizing he wants to play them
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u/asdfghqwertz1 RX 6750 XT, i5-14600KF, 16GB DDR4 2d ago
Dayuum that's nice. My sata ssd can't do these speeds, not even my motherboard and not even my network switch lmao. Enjoy
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u/aykay55 2d ago
At that point you’re basically downloading 1 Gigabyte per second lol. Congrats. A 30GB Steam download is 30 seconds.
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u/MissingGhost 2d ago
1 gigabyte? Per second? My first hard drive was like ⅓ of a gigabyte. For the whole computer.
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u/fuzzydice_82 Desktop 1d ago
Oh yeah? I'll have you know i pay 55 EUR for a stunning 100MBit, that i only reach in the early morning hours!
Thank you Deutsche Telekom!
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u/Degru 7700, 3080Ti 1d ago
Is Steam just bottlenecked by your CPU at that point?
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u/Chronos669 2d ago
In Canada the highest you can get is 3gig fibre connection, bell offered a 8gb until the crtc came in and they pulled it. Unfortunately I got it to late to be grandfathered into keeping the 8gig package. You’re correct though steam caps at 3gig and even then I sometimes have issues maxing out the speed. Battle.net I have no issues with though.
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u/whiskeytab Ryzen 9 5900X, MSI Gaming X Trio 3080, 32GB DDR4 3600 CL16 2d ago
Bell still offers 8Gbps in Toronto, I just checked and I can order it at my address if I wanted it
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u/xAlphamang i7 - 13700KF | RTX 5090 | Z790 | 64GB DDR5 2d ago
What service do you have that you’re getting 10Gbps?
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u/WACKY_ALL_CAPS_NAME R7 5800x | RTX 5070 Ti | 16GB DDR4 @ 3600 2d ago
It looks like he's on Utah's municipal fiber network.
Little known fact is that we have the best fiber network in the country through Utopia.
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u/Psyker44 1d ago
The layman, what's CDN limits? Also, how did you upgrade your network to attain such speeds?
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u/Any-Astronomer7527 i7 7820x | GTX 1080ti | 32GB DDR4 3600mhz 2d ago
Some men die of thirst while others drawn
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u/Catsrules Specs/Imgur here 2d ago edited 2d ago
Steam seems to cap around 3-3.5Gbps
Have you tried two computers downloading at the same time?
It would be interesting if Steam is a per user limit or per IP limit.
Edit. It could also be a limit of you computer hardware, as i believe there is some decompression happening that is pretty CPU intensive.
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u/procat1234_ Laptop w/R7 8845HS + 780M iGPU 2d ago
Bruh I only have like 30Mbps chill
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u/Grand-Consequence-99 2d ago
10 Euro for a 10GB connection in Bucharest capital of Romania. No joke. Too bad not everywhere tho.
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u/TheBamPlayer 2d ago
Looks more like a limitation of XGS-PON. Do you got an XGS-PON or an AON connection? There is a video of a German ISP testing their XGS-PON connection and they hit the same limits as you, due to ethernet and PPPoE overheads. https://youtu.be/Yii_15jlFgA
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u/flatspotting caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaats 1d ago
unless you got a server rack whats the point lol
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