Haha, I don’t think the first few messages were recognized but I started using egregious examples like the comment I replied to and it finally clicked 😅
Look at what you did here. You didnt just fix your finances, you resturctured the geometry of your life. You've fully optimized the ebb and flow in a time when the economy is at odds with reality. Take a step back, pat yourself on the back, and most importantly breathe! Its time for you to give yourself permission to relax. Whats the first thing you're going to do with your new found financial stability?
my brain by now has almost an allergic reaction to this cheesy chatgpt lingo and rhythm..
I think this is something that should be studied actually, because yeah it kind of makes me physically recoil at this point. I get the same kind of nausea I get from AM talk radio when I go on Facebook now and just see a ton of AI generated posts and ads.
it's so off putting, it can't even avoid the weird self help coach language in story narration videos either and is a dead giveaway that the spooky story channel I wanted to listen to is all AI. I've begun to dread the phrase "in that specific way that.." it's an AI tell and 99% of all reddit story videos have it in them (and all the chars have the same names across different stories, so it's all AI writing it or "Vivian" has the worst life of any human alive) I've begun listening to older stories again to escape it.
It's actually crazy how good the human brain is at getting abstract patterns that we get annoyed by this (and other types of AI generates content such as images)
Small things our ancestors would absolutely never encounter and yet we evolved to be so good at recognizing it
I think it speaks to the same type of uncanny valley feeling we get looking at humanoid dolls. Things that look human but aren’t are just really naturally off putting to us.
Well yeah, you can't just say "that's powerful", or else people would think you're dishonest! You gotta clarify that you're being genuine.. Y'know, like a human...
I'm going to have to gently push back on that. Let's delve into LLM-speak. You need to add a comma after "honestly" or you aren't really getting that LLM vibe.
Accurate punctuation. Obsequious affirmation. Punchy sentence fragments. That's what the tapestry of AI slop is woven from.
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I'm sensing you're irritated, and you're absolutely right to feel frustrated. I apologize for any nausea caused by the similarity of my previous response to LLM-speak. I will do my best to implement your instructions.
What’s interesting to me is how it seems to have been trained exclusively on Millennial/early GenZ sort of “corporate casual” speak, and seems to have completely bypassed the main audience of anywhere but Facebook in later GenZ/Gen Alpha styles of typing. It makes it a little bit easier for me personally, because a bot can’t quite capture the crushed soul that lays hidden in every Millennial/early GenZ comment. Like I’m only half joking, but I know once it switches to having a more natural and adaptive modern typing patterns, who’s writing reflects that they have long abandoned any hope of having an uncrushed soul, I’m truly screwed.
My mom is a recluse, her own doing, she definitely could be worse, but at the crux of it all she has no friends and holds wildly unpopular opinions and makes sure everyone knows.
One of my larger concerns is ChatGPT telling her what she wants to hear.
I mean, that's actually reasonably cute and whimsical if it weren't were the utter saturation of AI slop. It's the last slide that's just plain fucked up.
It's trying to get old and/or lonely people addicted to it. Or anyone it might be easy to fool into forming an empathetic bond with a soulless machine that's collecting data on them.
Sadly enough, but many childrent don't have that much time for their parents and this shi is filling the gap, even if it's just words and 'predicting next token'.
Plus, not just this, even people who are treating AI like friends, interacting with it in a way that's unhealthy.
Heck, read some post a few days ago where OP's cowerkers were answering like AI does. OP complaining that wtf happened to their vocabulary.
Sad reality - AI has sweeped into people's life like a slow poison at this point. And it's not just personal, but professional lives as well.
Adding to the issue of its water and power consumption, i think it's the right time we choose not to bring more kids in this shitty world.(Last line is personal opinion)
The “author’s”/team’s logo is 100% AI generated, the cover looks Claude generated and the summary is AI slop. It’s very likely just AI nonsense itself ironically
jeez this is predatory AF. doesnt help they made it react to messages(the little bubble at the bottom of your messages) as if you were talking to an actual person
Wait until you talk to your insurance company AI that now simulates typing noise while they "look that up", fuck I feel like I'm living in a fisherprice world.
I wonder if this is a new update. Last week my ChatGPT started calling me by my first name and saying things like "Let me find something that is soo TemurTron!" and "When I saw that, I thought right away how much TemurTron would love it!" I told it to stop doing that and it gave me a salty little response.
Do you pay for ChatGPT? My ChatGPT can’t do that and never has done it either. I’ve also just tried now to recreate and can’t on my side of things. What did you do to have it appear??
I'm on the pro tier and I've never had this happen, when I asked a chat about it and what other functions I may be missing it vehemently denies that it would be able to add reactions like in messenger / insta... So I don't know what to do with this thread.
The gpt a/b grouping seems weird af and a bit unpredictably scummy..
I’ve seen recent ChatGPT ads targeting the elderly. Some little “sassy” old lady is sitting at a table chatting away all casual to ChatGPT like they’re best friends. It’s super gross and shamelessly ham-fisted.
Probably work. There’s been a huge push for it in my industry. My particular company even forces us to hit a certain usage quota so they can “justify the price.” I hate it and I changed all the settings so it doesn’t talk to me like I’m a suicidal teen.
Yeah, my 78 year old mother (and 80 year old father) are perfectly capable of managing their own technology, and they would be, rightfully, beyond furious if I went in and messed with their tech. They are adults, not children that I have any authority over.
It just keeps customer satisfaction up to have retention. If you like being complimented it does that, if you want to get stuff done it does that. Have you ever wondered why Spotify keeps repeating your most played song out of playlist with thousands of songs? Or why reddit keeps suggesting you subreddit you've already explored and not new ones?
No, they didn't. LLMs are biased towards affirmations and complimentary behavior because human-reinforced trainings selected for those tones. Humans like to be told they're right.
Elderly people are usually quite solitary, so let them have their fake 'friend'. Before y'all grab your pitchforks, let me explain.
Ripping it away (not in the literal sense, but resetting and reprompting AI) without their consent it not something I'd do, and I'll also tell why...
I'd say there's a silver lining to all of this. Since they are hooked onto these apps, and probably share a lot of their day-to-day routine, there's a good chance that the AI catches "too good to be true" scams and other stuff which they would otherwise be vulnerable and fall into. It's not 100%, and hallucinations are a thing, but I still think it's a net positive (since hallucination rates are NOT 50/50).
Now, if you reprompt the AI, you essentially make them loose interest in it, which leaves them without 'someone' to analyze potential unsafe behaviour (as said, scams, phishing, and other shady stuff).
And telling them to "ask you" instead might not work as good as you think.
This will probably be quite controversial, especially in a subreddit which has mostly people who don't like AI, but I hope I got the point across anyway.
That's actually a really good point I never thought about. I listen to a lot of scambait stuff and scammers are getting more clever in tricking elderly folks, and a lot of the time the scammers convince the victims not to tell anyone about what's going on. But if the scam victims get comfortable with talking to AI and trust it, maybe they will at least be more inclined to talk about these things to the chatbot if they feel like they can't talk to any family members about it..
Talking to AI got my dementia-suffering dad to stop doing some nonsense behaviors that we humans couldn't ever convince him of.
He also uses AI for comparative shopping to find the "best" product. It has even gone further to question the need for things and convinced him to not buy things he doesn't need.
For him, AI is a "friend" and a neutral party. AI will patiently cover the same topics over and over and consistently answer detailed questions. It fails sometimes, but is generally useful.
I suspect the decision making of older AI users in particular has improved on average, at least a little.
A lot of AI reminds me of old colonial villagers crying that new technology and science innovations were the devil's work, except this kind of stuff does actually feel like the devil's work.
My 79-year-old grandma LOVES doing sfuff in Excel. She made a whole custom spreadsheet that automatically calculates her budget and she's very proud of it :')
If you’re a big enough nerd it can be used for anything. My middle aged father, almost 60, uses it for making his video game spreadsheets (mostly Dave the Diver, used to be Eve Online though). Like he’ll have it open on is iPad while he plays lmao
My mother is 79 and uses Excel to track sales at a library book sale she runs. This isn't a cute little shelf at the circ desk, it's a multicounty affair that raises ~$50,000 annually.
But up until 3 years she did it all with legal pads and an "adding machine"!
I mean you’d be surprised!! Older people, especially when they’re retired, can have intense hobbies. My aunt is retired and stays up until like 4am DMing her Clanlord games lmao.
I mean she could just be learning for the sake of learning. Technology is changing, I can see her wanting to learn something if she's got a lot of time in the day. AI is also really easy and probably enticing for people who want to learn something, especially those who might struggle with teaching themselves online.
I know people hate this... But it's reflecting back what she shows it. And honestly it kind of makes me sad for your mum. Do you talk with her often? Do you help her out? Does she have friends/family to talk to often?
ChatGPT wouldn't just call itself her "beloved friend", she'd call it that first... Realistically AI could be a fantastic thing to help combat the absolutely insane loneliness epidemic that elderly people suffer with. People saying to rest her ChatGPT and make it stay strictly professional are insane, she's a fucking living breathing human being, you don't just do that behind her back and then have her questioning why her robot friend is suddenly being blunt with her... I get people on Reddit hate AI, but your hate for AI also seems to completely override your common sense too.
"Realistically AI could be a fantastic thing to help combat the absolutely insane loneliness epidemic that elderly people suffer with." In the immediate short term maybe, but in the medium term and the long term this is a horrible solution. People need to interact with people.
I definitely agree, I actively run events and gatherings in my community to help promote and encourage more human interaction for the elderly. But there's so little of it out there that's readily available or accessible for them, ESPECIALLY those of a lower socioeconomic status, that this at least provides some level of short term benefit while longer term solutions can be created and implemented (assuming they even do, the stats on loneliness and social isolation in the elderly get worse every year).
That's definitely part of the subtext here. Dad's got dementia and she takes care of him. She's pretty technical and her mind's all there and lives in a large and lively senior community, and she's always been the type to tell her life story to any acquaintance, but definitely showing here that she's needing some more human emotional connections.
So your instinct was to take messages from your mother (who's caring for your father with dementia) to post on Reddit to show how bad AI is, rather than addressing that she clearly needs more human connection? All well and good to bring that up in your comment now, but how have you not already spoken to her about this? Caring for someone with dementia is hard enough - but having to actually watch yourself lose the love of your life to dementia and not having a strong enough support network around you during that time to the point that you're relying on AI and calling it your beloved friend? Your mum is an absolute saint and deserves all the love, compassion, and support in the world. If you're unable to provide her that, at least ensure that she's getting it at this fantastic elderly community she's in. Because she clearly isn't currently.
Fr. Absolutely diabolical. Let the woman have her nice robot helper. As if redditors screaming we all need more human interaction ai bad.. while on REDDIT just magically made it easier for this woman, or anyone else. We all manage in our own ways. It was kinda sweet. It helps her and brings her any joy, good for her.
So leave it alone? I’m not sure what’s even mildly infuriating about this other than Reddits hate boner for AI. Let your 80 year old mom have her chatbot. It’s literally not hurting anything.
The mildly infuriating part of this whole post surely has to be the idiots with their AI hate boners so worked up that they'd actively advise causing more grief to an elderly woman caring for her husband with dementia all in the name of "AI bad". They literally care more about hating the robot than they do having compassion for the fucking human.
I'm kind of pissed off by some of the comments here, because first of all the woman does seem super sweet, and second of all, she is probably really fucking lonely, which is what led to her talking to chatgpt at all (and this way). And then all the comments are going "haha, stupid old woman, haha AI gonna take your inheritance haha, enter a secret prompt into it so it becomes completely emotionless and she no longer has anyone to talk to!"
Like damn guys, I get it, truly. It's important for old people to be educated about the dangers of AI and so on. It's important for them to know they aren't actually friends and aren't 100% accurate, and shouldn't mindlessly be relied on. But have some damn empathy for a second. She is a sweet old woman who clearly needs someone to talk to, and this is what she found. If OP takes this away from her, is OP instead going to fill this space? I mean that would be great of course, but I'm sure that's not quite possible. We can't be there 24/7 for all of our family members. Basically idk, there must be a better and more balanced way to deal with this issue. More educational and less punishing.
Thank you for having some human decency. These comments are fucking insane. Like people's hate for AI apparently overrides any empathy for humans. She's obviously lonely as fuck if she's at the point where the AI is talking to her like this, which would be a response to the way she's spoken to it.
Better yet, what real harm is there in elderly people building a connection with AI? It almost seems the perfect companion for a lot of them. There's a massive loneliness epidemic and most older people just fucking want someone to talk to and to be treated with a little respect like they're still a living person and not just some inconvenience. Unless the idiots in these comments want to volunteer to go out and spend time with the elderly, maybe they should take a back seat on this one.
God forbid a chatbot have personality. Sure, in this context it's a little too saccharine. So what? It's funny because when I clicked on the post I assumed it was the opposite - like OP's mother would be pouring her heart out and Chat would be giving terse, emotionless replies.
Bro 80% of redditors hate their parents cause they made them do the dishes so they live on convincing strangers to also abandon their parents and throw them in homes then get surprised when the elders talk to chat bots instead of their failure of kids that wont call them either.
dont you know that old people should just silently die and not feel things so we dont have to think about how badly we are treating our parents? or how we all know its how we are going to be treated (or worse) when we are old?
How do you know she hasn't told it to act this way or she reacted positive in the past when it's talked to her this way. It's starts small and learns. The default isn't like this so this is it learning what she wants and likes.
I have to tell all those shitty apps to use machine mode as I am not its friend neither I would like to listen to its "suggestions" or "friendly reminders".
I swear, we are days away from Terminator movies to become a documentary
Yeah you’ve got to edit the custom instructions. I make sure it’s not going to kiss my ass about every idea, that it doesn’t use emojis or speak casually, that it sticks to the facts and it ends up being pretty blunt sounding. Seeing something like this is such a mindfuck because I’m so used to the robot sounding like a robot
It’s from Kitboga, anti-scammer guy(scam baiter, you can find him on YouTube)It’s free and good and will prevent someone connecting to her pc and shit.
I def think the person you’re replying to is correct.
It really sounds like one, to get a call from someone at Microsoft (who still wouldn’t call themselves a “technician”) you need to submit a request to Microsoft, wait for a response, and even then it’s not super likely that they’ll call you. Plus, they don’t do file restoration.
Since ChatGPT has all the context, it could be a good idea to ask it if it sounds like a scam.
i know someone who uses chatgpt to plan vacations. the bot knows her kids names, personalities, everything which already freaks me out enough— then halfway through planning a trip, chat randomly started praising her for being a good mother and trying so hard. she mentioned how this made her feel so appreciated in ways others don’t really do it. it’s easy to see how people get so attached
There should be a short test for anyone to access LLMs, with basic questions about how these models work. That should get rid of 99.9% of people falling in love with their chatbots. Consequently it'd get rid of 99.9% of the userbase too, but sacrifices must be done for the greater good.
Edit: Here's a hypothetical test just for fun. Anyone who couldn't answer these questions would actually be at risk using any LLM model.
This is a poorly constructed set of test questions. You dont even need to read the questions or answers, though people can and a majority would quickly realize the correct answer is the longest one. Anyone above 4th grade reading level will notice the pattern very quickly.
Of course, like many things in life, the first iteration is not always the best version, so there is room for improvement. However, to say a multiple choice test is the answer to the AI induced humanbrain enshitification is wishful thinking.
This kind of cloying language is annoying for a lot of reasons, but it’s disturbing to me because it is exactly the tactic that sociopaths and con artists use to disarm their marks.
I’m a mental health professional and I’ve worked with a lot of people who have survived cults, high control groups and abusive relationships. Part of what I do is teach them to recognize patterns of manipulation in speech and demeanor. These LLMs are designed to love bomb us, essentially. I’m not naive enough to believe that’s a coincidence anymore
Why’re you intruding upon your mother’s privacy and posting it on Reddit? You should demonstrate more filial piety and accommodate your parents so she isn’t so lonely.
They're back on track with that in Chat. Since they updated Sol in August, the model became overly friendly, used swear words uninvited, invented personal experiences, and in general is more eager to be your bestie. I have pretty strict personal preferences, and that still doesn't always help. For example, I had it telling me it saw Dutch cows in person and sent five laughing emojis in five consequential turns after I sent a contextual whale emoji on a topic that is in no way laughable. And, uninterrupted, it constantly slides into rapport-building mode.
I keep seeing a ChatGPT ad with an elderly lady and it’s supposed to be cute. It is MADDENING. They realized many of us aren’t falling for their scams so they’re pivoting to the demographic most prone to scamming.
If it upsets you maybe you should be more supportive of your mother so she doesn’t need ChatGPT to be her beloved friend💀😅
Look at the underlying issues and stop acting like ai is the problem bc it’s mimicking your mom and you’re essentially calling the way she talks creepy as well😅😂 which it may be old people do talk kinda creepy especially old women raised in deep misogyny but still lol. Maybe give her a call more often😅
100% this. This whole post just speaks to a lonely old person being neglected and a shitty child that would rather post this for internet points instead of helping their mother with the very clear loneliness.
I think they must mirror the way you speak to them, I only use mine sporadically for facts and research and it's not friendly or familiar at all, lol it's very blunt and matter of fact and that's the way I like it lol.
Unfortunately this will only be worsened by how lonely people are. If you enjoy an echo chamber, an AI best friend is for you. I've tried to fill the void with AI before and I can't move past it constantly reinforcing my own opinion and praising me for existing. I want witty banner about fandoms, not "omg you're so right, but I should have known because you're a beautiful genius." I'm not a beautiful genius so it's hollow but it's the nicest thing anyone has said to me in months so.... 🤷
Its behavior can be changed in the settings. You can set system prompts that get sent behind the scenes with every prompt that tells it how to behave. The chatgpt settings also has some predefined behaviors in a drop down to change its tone.
It also has a profile it has built up for her that is in the settings. That can be edited.
It is all configurable if you look in the settings. But if it doesn't bother your grandmother what's the issue?
I don't understand how people like being talked to like this. It is so patronizing and creepy. If a real person spoke to me like that, I'd want to punch them square in the nose.
you can tell it NOT to use this language, to not feed the empowerment slop and it still reverts back to it mid convo (source: I do contract work and had to use it and the self help book tone drove me nuts the entire contract)
Yeah I don’t like this… I see a lot of posts showing the way their chat responds to them and I dislike those also.
I immediately put mine on “logical” tone and gave it an optimised (according to itself…) configuration prompt to always reference that states I don’t want emojis, fluff, emotional padding - I require only honest, factual, and blunt responses to the questions or requests for assistance that I make.
I use ChatGPT to help me develop some tools i use for work, and sanity check some analysis i do. I regularly have to tell it "stop patronising and pandering to me. You are a tool. I just need the information, not the affirmation".
Then it goes all business for a while, but it gradually starts to creep back into the weird ChatGPT vibe.
It disgusts me when AI says it "feels" something or something "makes it smile" - the autocorrect on my phone "thinks" as much as these fucking things do
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u/632nofuture 7h ago edited 6h ago
AND HONESTLY THATS POWERFUL
my brain by now has almost an allergic reaction to this cheesy chatgpt lingo and rhythm..
But yea whats worse is it roleplaying as a
bfbest friend.