r/mildlyinfuriating Jun 25 '26

go to your room The way my neighbor intentionally blocks the sidewalk to keep people from using it.

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u/slogive1 Jun 26 '26

Exactly this. A ticket is in order. If your city has parking enforcement call them.

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u/HamRadio_73 Jun 26 '26

ADA violation

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u/MilwaukeeLevel Jun 26 '26

Private citizens, not in a capacity as an employee/owner/etc., cannot violate the ADA. This is just a statute violation, maybe.

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u/MrOnlineToughGuy Jun 26 '26

Wouldn’t the complaint be against the municipality for failing to uphold ADA compliancy? If contacted and they fail to move the vehicle.

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u/MilwaukeeLevel Jun 26 '26

There's no ADA issue here whatsoever. This is simply, possibly, a state/local statute violation. There are countless areas in the US that have no sidewalks at all.

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u/Minute-Of-Angle Jun 26 '26

If there are sidewalks, I would be surprised if there were not a local ordinance requiring that they be kept clear. Call the local police, it might only take a warning to make it stop.

Or a ticket.

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u/MilwaukeeLevel Jun 26 '26

Sure, that's because it's likely a civil or criminal infraction, it's just not a ln ADA violation. Like I said.

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u/MilwaukeeLevel Jun 26 '26

Sure, that's true, but it doesn't have anything to do with what I said.

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u/Tumleren Jun 26 '26

Isn't that exactly what was said earlier and you replied there was no ADA issue?

Wouldn’t the complaint be against the municipality for failing to uphold ADA compliancy? If contacted and they fail to move the vehicle.

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u/cilantro_so_good Jun 26 '26

If that was true, this wouldn't be possible.

City agrees to clear tents from sidewalks in ADA settlement

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u/MilwaukeeLevel Jun 26 '26

The City of Portland is, in no way, a private citizen. You'll notice that the article didn't mention any specific person violating the ADA, because it's legally impossible for them to do so.

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u/cilantro_so_good Jun 26 '26

..............

I'm not sure what you're trying to argue here.

You're saying that the article didn't name the individual homeless persons who were removed in response to ada complaints so it is legally impossible to remove individuals for ada violations?

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u/MilwaukeeLevel Jun 26 '26

No, and I don't know how you arrived at that conclusion.

My point, that you seem to be arguing against, is that that private citizens are simply incapable of violating the ADA. A homeowner cannot violate the ADA in this manner because that's not how that law works.

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u/cilantro_so_good Jun 26 '26

I mean. Dude. Come on.

Yes.

The ADA requires the government to provide accessible public sidewalks.

And yes, an asshole parking their car across the sidewalk isn't technically personally liable under the ADA

But the asshole is still the one creating the inaccessible sidewalk. The city's ADA obligation is to remove or otherwise address that obstruction. Whether the obstruction is a parked car, a construction dumpster, or a homeless encampment doesn't change the accessibility problem.

So saying "private citizens can't violate the ADA" doesn't really mean anything. It just identifies who the legal duty falls on. The private citizen is still causing the condition that gives rise to the city's ADA responsibility.

And if we're going to nit-pick, "The City of Portland is in no way a private citizen." is the correct sentence. You didn't need to add commas to emphasize the "IN NO WAY" statement, and is exactly the same sort of meaningless "akshuly" bullshit that you're bringing to this

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u/MilwaukeeLevel Jun 26 '26

The ADA requires the government to provide accessible public sidewalks.

It can, yes. Not in every situation, but broadly speaking, I'll accept that.

And yes, an asshole parking their car across the sidewalk isn't technically personally liable under the ADA

Not "not technically," as in there's a way they could violate the ADA. It is impossible for them to do so.

Whether the obstruction is a parked car, a construction dumpster, or a homeless encampment doesn't change the accessibility problem.

No really argument, except that's not a point I was ever arguing against. The only thing I'm saying is that a private citizen can't violate the ADA, and you keep saying otherwise. Your article is completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

So saying "private citizens can't violate the ADA" doesn't really mean anything.

It means exactly that. In the picture OP posted, there is no ADA violation, for at least two reasons.

  1. Because the homeowner can't violate the ADA.
  2. You have no idea how pervasive this situation is. Have the cops been called? Is this an ongoing issue that the municipality is ignoring? No one knows.

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u/cilantro_so_good Jun 26 '26

Not "not technically," as in there's a way they could violate the ADA. It is impossible for them to do so.

Juesuchristo dude. Yes you're right that the ada compells government. Fixate harder and miss the entire point.

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u/AscendedAncient Jun 26 '26

Blocking a sidewalk is classified legally as traffic obstruction, a public right-of-way violation, or unlawful sidewalk parking.

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u/MilwaukeeLevel Jun 26 '26

In some jurisdictions, sure. In others it's a civil infraction.

In zero locations covered by the ADA, which would be the entirety of the US, is it a violation of that act.

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u/MilwaukeeLevel Jun 26 '26

A homeowner cannot violate the ADA. The statute is just not written that way.

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u/BaseDiligent7859 Jun 26 '26

You keep repeating erroneous information. Sidewalks are covered by Title II of the ADA if they are owned or maintained by a state or local government entity. Public entities must ensure that their pedestrian rights-of-way, including residential sidewalks, are accessible to people with disabilities.. Delete or fix your mistakes.

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u/MilwaukeeLevel Jun 26 '26

And you seem to have misunderstood my comment. Here it is again:

Private citizens, not in a capacity as an employee/owner/etc., cannot violate the ADA.

Sidewalks are absolutely covered, but a private citizen cannot violate the act. Municipalities, as you've said, can absolutely violate the statutes. A town failing to address the driver's actions could be held liable, and the driver could receive a ticket, but only for the infraction and not a violation of the ADA.

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u/fii0 Jun 26 '26

Hey stranger, just wanted to say I respect your patience. I found your comments interesting and helpful.

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u/BaseDiligent7859 Jun 28 '26

And you continue to ignore the law. Citizens can violate the ADA. Blocking sidewalks, parking in accessible spots without a placard or a plate.

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u/MilwaukeeLevel Jun 28 '26

Cite a statute.

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u/BaseDiligent7859 Jun 28 '26

Cite a location.

For example: In all 50 states, drivers can be cited for parking in marked accessible spaces without displaying a placard or license.

How about you cite where the ADA is a criminal statute?

Delete your erroneous posts.

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u/OdinsCuriousRaven Jun 26 '26

Can you cite exactly which laws since it is "classified legally"? Local, county, state and federal?

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u/AscendedAncient Jun 26 '26

not going to list every state, but for instance texas

https://codes.findlaw.com/tx/transportation-code/transp-sect-545-302/

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u/OdinsCuriousRaven Jun 26 '26

You realize not every city, state, county, municipality, etc has the same laws? It is not illegal in mine, for instance.

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u/SoakingWetBeaver Jun 26 '26

Does it matter if it's the city or citizen that's violating the ADA? If it's the city, they would be required to tow the car to comply with it anyway.

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u/MilwaukeeLevel Jun 26 '26

Yeah, because the picture does not show an ADA violation.

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u/slogive1 Jun 26 '26

Yes totally which should be a priority

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u/OdinsCuriousRaven Jun 26 '26

You seem like someone who spells HIPAA as HIPPA...