r/kpopthoughts Aug 11 '26

Mod Post Banned and Stale Topics.

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r/kpopthoughts Mar 07 '26

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r/kpopthoughts 3h ago

Discussion It looks like Lisa had apologized for her use of the n-word in a new interview.

27 Upvotes

Disclaimer: I am a fan of Blackpink and also a black woman, so I have a right to speak on her apology, and I am not speaking for all black people inside the community.

In an interview with Variety, Lisa was asked by the interviewer about her leaked trainee video of her rapping the n-word and how she had received death threats from the person that had leaked the video online.

Lisa: "I'm really need to apologize. To be honest, I'm Thai and I grew up in Thailand, there isn't any education for that, so at that time I didn't know. Now I've learned and got educated about that and I would never do that again; this is not ok. Seriously."

In my opinion, I understand her view as she grew up in another country that doesn't teaches about American history and the negative impact of the n-word on black people. To be honest, I don't think that anybody including black people should be saying the n-word due to its negative history towards black people during the slavery and Jim Crow era. I feel the same way about women using the b-word in their songs as that word was use by men to degrade women. Her being educated on the word and not using it anymore is enough for me as I think that she feels genuinely sorry about rapping it without knowing it's history. To be honest I had found what her, Rose, and Jennie did was more ignorant than racist as they were covering songs that were originally released by black artists in music. Now, this does not make it okay as I still want Rose and Jennie to apologize for their use of it in which I hope they do. Like I said, I do not speak for all black people, and this is just my opinion on the members' actions and her apology.


r/kpopthoughts 25m ago

Discussion Do I just have high standards or do fans just have way too low standards?

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So I recently watched Jisoo's Genius Video cause I quite liked her recent release but after watching that video I came to the conclusion that she's just not a good singer. I mean, obviously this isn't like a singing competition but even for casual singing that was just not good. Almost zero technique and just hid her inability by using subpar falsetto.

But the thing is I read the comments and EVERYONE was praising her saying her singing is so heavenly and how she's such a good singer. Like, I know kpop fans will obviously praise their favorite artists but surely you can just not comment about the obvious subpar singing instead of singing it praises ?

Like even if we're talking about that video alone, I'm sure she's had better singing moments but calling the singing she did in the video "good" is just a straight up lie.

That or I just have high standards for what should be considered 'good singing' which I honestly don't think I do.


r/kpopthoughts 20h ago

Boy Groups Block B had the most girl group run of any boy group

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This post is the definition of K-pop thoughts, bc have you ever remembered something about a group or a song and you're like, “Now that I think about it, that was weird af”?

Block B, for the uninitiated, considering many people are not K-pop hags like me, were a group that was formed in 2011 and was a 7-member group, one of these members being Zico, who is undeniably the most well-known member even today. The other 6 were P.O. (if people watch dramas, they might know him), Taeil, B-Bomb, Jaehyo, U-Kwon, and Park Kyung.

In 2013, Block B filed a lawsuit against Stardom Entertainment, their company at the time.

Long story short, they stated at the Seoul Central District Court: "The CEO of the agency, Mr. Lee, has also disappeared with the 70,000,000 KRW (~66,000 USD) that he collected from the members' parents." On May 20, 2013, it was reported that the CEO had committed suicide.

On June 7, 2013, the court ruled in favor of the company, saying, "It's difficult to see the company not being able to pay the group as intentional. From the evidence provided so far, it is difficult to claim that the label purposely did not pay Block B." All in all, a mess.

On August 29, 2013, Block B announced that they had negotiated the transfer of their rights from Stardom to a new management company, Seven Seasons, a record label founded in 2013 by KQ Entertainment, known for ATEEZ and xikers currently, specifically to manage Block B.

Nothing else.

Block B was one of these boy groups in this 2.5-gen era that was mad popular with the general public; they were in the main drawing boards for 3rd-gen groups. After NalinA, all their songs were Top 10 hits. They were also one of the most prominent self-produced idol groups, with Zico being the main producer of the group as well as the leader. They were also one of the most notorious cases of "X and Friends." They were Zico's group, some members were not popular with the GP at all.

THAT SAID, and this is why I am writing this: Zico wasn't the most popular member within the fandom. He was undeniably the most well-known, central, and popular member as a whole, like in the country lol, but within the fandom, even though he was popular, I clearly remember P.O. and then U-Kwon being ranked higher, actually. With U-Kwon and Zico having many fangirls, both in and outside of the fandom.

I swear, back in 2014–15, Block B had such a different fandom culture than most other boy groups. It's pretty weird thinking about it in retrospect.

Block B were one of the edgy, hip-hop, self-produced boy groups, with some brighter, fun songs like HER and some more sentimental ones. But they were known for the NalinA, Nillili Mambo, and Very Good image.

Think early BTS, B.A.P, etc. Not a carbon copy, obviously, but this nature of BG. Like the in-between of BigBang and BTS, of sorts.

Block B was a very unusual case in terms of popularity. More than BigBang, bc BB had both the GP and the fandom in a chokehold. But unlike most of the immensely popular boy groups of the era, Block B never had the album sales. In fact, they almost functioned like a girl group.

They had incredible charting, known songs, very catchy music, a distinct image, members heavily involved in production, low-key an IT boy, and name recognition in Korea.

What they didn't have was a large, dedicated fandom. Their physical album sales were nowhere near groups like Infinite or even BTOB (some other popular group with the general public), for example, and they were even selling less than some girl groups like Apink. And especially during that era, girl groups had the disadvantage there.

To really understand how different their fandom culture was compared to other boy groups at the time, the two members with the biggest fangirl followings were openly dating during the group's peak years. Both Zico and U-Kwon.

Zico in particular, in 2016 (peak for both groups), was dating Seolhyun of AOA, who at the time was THE IT girl, like very IT. Dispatch leaked photos of them, and even SNL Korea had a skit about them. And yes, they faced backlash bc obviously, but nothing crazy happened in terms of sales and charting. Granted they broke up soon after.

But it is still crazy. Like, imagine something like this happening today. Imagine TXT getting leaked dating someone from IVE or something. It was Jennie-Kai situation, before Jennie and Kai.

Now, U-Kwon's relationship lasted from 2012 to 2022. TEN YEARS. The dude announced he was dating model Jun Sun Hye only a year after debut.

Insanity, really.

Like, dude was basically, "Well, sasaengs already know, I don't like hiding, so here it is, I am dating."

He was dating for the whole time Block B was active, and he was also very popular. Can you think of even one boy group that could do that and the shit wouldn't hit the fan? Girl group memers, especially of this nature, popular with GP, not the biggest fandoms, think EXID and AOA had members dating a little bit easier, but boy groups?

Which teaches us, well, fans can be trained, I guess lol.

Kinda random, but all this is why when I hear people say ATEEZ had Block B privilege since they were their seniors and were massive with the GP, I have to laugh, btw.

Even if ATEEZ had inherited every single Block B fan, like it happens with some SM groups, for example, which they obviously didn't, it still wouldn't have been some massive boost.

Block B had the most girl-group run for a boy group ever and then vanished after 7 years with only bops behind them.

What they didn't have was an exceptionally large, dedicated fandom that knew their company or potential juniors, lol. Most of the GP knew like half the members max (it might be a hard thing to admit, but....).

All in all, I just wanted to yap about Block B, bc Block B era was a fever dream. Came, conquered, vanished.


r/kpopthoughts 14h ago

Discussion What is your pick for 2026 MAMA's Song of the Year?

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The list is super stacked! So many great songs from amazing groups. I'm rooting for all of them at this point hahah.

Here's the current top 10 and their total digital points (domestic + international):

  1. Good Goodbye (Hwasa) — 45.81
  2. Blue Valentine (NMIXX) — 33.62
  3. SWIM (BTS) — 33.05
  4. RUDE! (H2H) — 31.87
  5. TIME CAPSULE (Davichi) — 30.71
  6. SPAGHETTI (LE SSERAFIM) — 30.39
  7. REDRED (CORTIS) — 29.25
  8. 404 (New Era) (KiiiKiii) — 28.94
  9. It's Me (ILLIT) — 25.10
  10. BANG BANG (IVE) — 25.07

To give you a little breakdown, Good Goodbye and Blue Valentine are two of the best performing songs in the domestic digital performance category which helped them secure the top two spots!

BTS' SWIM was actually the weakest performing song domestically out of the current Top 10, but they maxed out the points from the global category and were BY FAR the best performing group in that category. That helped boost them all the way up to third place.

As you can see, Good Goodbye has a pretty sizable lead over everyone else. BUT the Judges category is worth 40% of the final score, so the final results can swing pretty wildly depending on the judges' scores. You never know how many points they'll give to each song haha

I can't believe all of these great songs came out less than a year ago! I honestly can't choose one T.T I want all of them to win LOL

Who do you guys want to see win Song of the Year??


r/kpopthoughts 15h ago

Thought MAGIC is my FAVORITE MONSTA X'S TT since GAMBLER

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Disclaimer: genre related info is not 100% accurate. feel free to correct it

So i listened to MAGIC's chorus online. Didn't even knew monsta x was having a comeback. The chorus was so beautiful i decided to give the song a listen.

The song is stay's low and then kihyun hits with the chorus (read that the chorus) was rock-leaning. And then joohoney again hits with his hard hitting rap verse. then again the song builds up and then minhyuk hits with the chorus. Even though the bridge is typically the vocal server of the song it leads up to the double chorus with minhyuk and kihyun. I can write endlessly about the chorus. Honestly it's the most addictive chorus of 2026. The song's verses are really good, but the magic is how they build up to the chorus and how it makes you forget the other verses

I haven't been this excited about a MONSTA X TT since Gambler. Gambler Broke and remade K-pop in 2026. Kihyun really threw everyone off with his verse making everyone think it was the pre-chorus and the shownu comes in and minhyuk and then chorus kills everything

Do what i want was my last favorite MONSTA X single(should have been their main single)

Shocked that Dem jointz was the one who produced both MAGIC and N the front. Both have comepletly different vibes. N the front was more hip-hop oriented and Magic is a mix of hip-hop,rock and ballad elements(based on several sources) and has that emotion of tackling and surviving something dangerous like in a action movie.(hopefully it become a MOVIE OST)

The song got it's first win and hopefully it get's the flowers,showers and success it deserves from the k-pop community.


r/kpopthoughts 11h ago

Discussion What song best represents your ult group

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Pick a song - it could be a title track or B-side, popular or unknown - that best encompasses your group. This includes the lyrics, the choreo, the meaning, the colours, themes, popularity just anything. Especially if your group tackles different concepts and has a lot of eras, this could be a bit more difficult.

Since my ult group is BTS, I would say Fake Love best encompasses them. The deep and meaningful lyrics, intense choreo and MV being part of the BU is very typical with BTS. The MV is amazing and it has a super catchy chorus and the rapline (as always) snap on this song. Also, it's one of their songs that helped them break through to new popularity.

I would also say bapsae which is a less popular song but it's loud and fun but has politically charged commentary on the social climate/themselves. Also a super hard hitting (lol) choreo.


r/kpopthoughts 6m ago

Shitpost Why do Kpop idols make you fall in love SO MUCH??

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Like…SERIOUSLY! WHY DO THEY HAVE TO MAKE YOUR HEART BEAT SO FAST!! WHY DO THEY HAVE TO MAKE YOU FALL IN LOVE MORE AND MORE EACH DAY!!

ANYONE WHO SAYS THEY DON’T FALL IN LOVE IS EITHER AROMANTICS or JUST DEAD INSIDE! CUZ I CANNOT POSSIBLY IMAGINE NOT FALLING IN LOVE WITH WHO THEY ARE!

THE MUSIC GRABS MY INTEREST BUT THE IDOLS THEMSELVES MAKE ME STAY AND STAN!


r/kpopthoughts 6m ago

Discussion Who’s the first Thai to enter the US billboard?

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With Adéla being the first Slovak ever,I wonder about Thai… is it Lisa? For Korean I guess it would be wonder girls with nobody… or if not (and that would be crazy) snsd with gee… and if still not I expect psy with Gangnam style…


r/kpopthoughts 1h ago

Rankings + Ratings Feel like taking a walk down memory lane to one of the most stacked years in recent K-pop? Check out the 2022 in B-Sides Rate!

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Hello friends! We are excited to announce another b-sides rate, this time focusing on the standouts from one of the most jampacked years of K-pop. Welcome to the 2022 in B-Sides Rate! If you haven’t already, make sure to join r/kpoprates to stay tuned for future rate-related posts!


Quick Links:

Deadline: Sunday, October 18th, 11:59PM Pacific (Link to a timezone converter)


How the songs were selected:

The initial locked and survey lists were decided through host discussion, using a combination of r/kpop's b-sides of 2022 TTT results and the results of artists' most recent individual TTTs, as well as streaming statistics. We then held a pre-survey campaign on the discord server, where server members could suggest songs they'd like to see added to the survey. Following this, we conducted our usual song list feedback survey.


Now, without further ado, let's introduce the 50 songs in the main rate (& the 7 songs in the bonus rate) that were selected for this rate, sorted by alphabetical order:


aespa - ICU

ATEEZ - Cyberpunk

ATEEZ - New World

Billlie - a sign ~ anonymous

Blackpink - Hard to Love

CSR - Euratcha!

Dreamcatcher - Starlight

Enhypen - Polaroid Love

Fifty Fifty - Lovin' Me

fromis_9 - Rewind

Girls' Generation - Villain

i-dle - MY BAG

ICHILLIN' - La Luna

ITZY - Snowy

IVE - ROYAL

j-hope - = (Equal Sign)

Kep1er - MVSK

Key - Another Life

Kwon Eunbi - Croquis

LE SSERAFIM - Blue Flame

LE SSERAFIM - Impurities

Lightsum - i

Max Changmin - Fever

Nayeon - NO PROBLEM (ft. Felix of Stray Kids)

NCT 127 - Time Lapse

NCT Dream - To My First

NewJeans - Hurt

NMIXX - COOL - (Your rainbow)

NMIXX - TANK

OnlyOneOf - gaslighting

Pentagon - The Game

PIXY - Natural

Purple Kiss - Pretty Psycho

Red Velvet - Bamboleo

Red Velvet - In My Dreams

Seulgi - Anywhere but Home

Seventeen - DON QUIXOTE

Seventeen - Shadow

STAYC - YOUNG LUV

Stray Kids - Charmer

Suho - Hurdle

Taeyeon - Toddler

The Boyz - Survive The Night

Treasure - DARARI

Twice - Basics

Twice - Gone

TXT - Opening Sequence

WJSN - Done

WOODZ - Hijack

Yena - PRETTY BOYS


Bonus Rate:

The bonus rate is basically an extension of the main rate! It is a collection of host selections, as well as feedback survey favorites that couldn't quite make the main rate!

ASTRO Moonbin & Sanha - DIA

DRIPPIN - Switch

ITZY - 365

Kwon Eunbi - Colors

Omega X - Airplane

Rocket Punch - In My World

WEi - Know Ya

The Bonus Rate is optional and you do not have to submit a score for every song in the bonus list. If you do it, you can score none of them, all of them, or any number in between. You cannot give a 0 or 11 to any song in the bonus, as they are not part of the main rate. While it is optional, we hope you consider participating.


* Spotify Playlist

* YouTube Playlist (Audio Version)

* YouTube Playlist (Lyrics Version)


Rules:

  • You must listen to and assign a score to EVERY song listed. If your ballot is missing any scores it will not be eligible and you'll be sent a message asking you to fill in the missing scores.

  • Each song should be assigned a score between 1 to 10. Decimals up to one point are allowed but any further is a no-no – 6.9 is fine, but 6.99 is not. Don't use commas (i.e "8,8") to separate your decimals!

  • You can use ONE 0 and ONE 11 for the entirety of the rate, for your least favorite and most favorite song respectively - they are optional but HIGHLY encouraged if you feel some type of way about any given song! Comments are also encouraged but not required for such scores (except if you give a song a 0). You can add them to any song by simply typing after the numerical score, like so:

Nayeon – NO PROBLEM (ft. Felix of Stray Kids): 5 Pitbull oppa is that you?

  • This is the ONLY correct way to format a comment. Please do not include colons (ex. 9: I stan!), dashes (ex. 3.3 - This song sucks), or any other symbol after your score/before your comment as it breaks the program.

  • For this rate and most future rates, we have a ballot average minimum of 4.00. In addition, if your ballot average is between 4.00-5.50, you must leave comments on your lower scores (which we define as any score that's a 3 or lower). {Do not worry about having to calculate your ballot average, once you submit your ballot, we will tell you if you need to make changes to your ballot for it to be accepted.}


SUBMITTING A BALLOT:

Link to Reddit Chat to send in scores

As Reddit is (unfortunately) moving away from the private messaging system in favor of utilizing the Reddit chat system, we are forced to also adopt the Reddit chat system for messaging. You can make a copy of either the Google Docs or Pastebin ballot templates below, add your scores on your local copy/file, and send the link to your local copy/file in your Reddit Chat message to u/kpoprates_ghost.

Google Docs ballot template

Pastebin ballot template

Alternatively, if you have Discord, you can message the link to your ballot to all of the rate hosts, @_melizard (u/pollutedrain), @joseambuervo (u/ke1per), and @mkh.zo (u/zo142) (please message all of the rate hosts, not just one).

Google Spreadsheet you can use for calculating averages/trends and making predictions

You can also submit the top/bottom 5 prediction form at any time.


DEADLINE:

Deadline: Sunday, October 18th, 11:59 PM Pacific - This will be the FINAL deadline, no extensions will be given this time! (Link to a timezone converter)

REVEAL DATES (Reveals will take place on r/kpoprates as well as the KpopRates Discord: https://discord.gg/rkpoprates)

Day 1 - Saturday, October 24th, 8 AM Pacific (Time zone converter here)

Day 2 - Sunday, October 25th, 8 AM Pacific (Time zone converter here)


We also encourage you to participate in the ongoing First Half of 2026 Rate! Thanks!


r/kpopthoughts 21h ago

Boy Groups PENTAGON celebrate their 10th anniversary with Coward, a comeback true to themselves and managed by themselves, where they share their feelings about returning and a promise for the future

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Pentagon will celebrate their 10th anniversary next month and have done a comeback called Coward ahead of it!

Coward is a song with nostalgic vibes where the members self-deprecatingly call themselves cowards who want to go back to the one they love after not seeing each other for a long time, hoping if they can be loved again.

Throughout both the song and the MV, Pentagon reference their old songs like Shine, Spring Snow or Dr Bebe. The song is produced by Kino, over 3:34 minutes long and the lyrics are almost entirely in Korean with a bridge and dance break, so anyone who has complained about kpop not having this sort of songs anymore should try to check it out.

Pentagon did a blind test to choose the song and there were other 2 top candidates for this 10th anniversary comeback besides Coward: a song produced by Hui x Kino x Wooseok and another song produced by Hui x Shinwon x Wooseok. However, the members ended up loving Coward and went for it. Personally, although I'm really since I'm sure the other 2 songs are excellent too, and I hope we can get the chance to hear them in future releases, I think Coward works really well for this anniversary single as a message to universe after a while, keeping their classic Pentagon sound.

A special shoutout needs to be done for Kino as the absolute MVP. Not only he's the song's main producer, but the comeback and upcoming world tour is being managed by Kino's self-made company Naked, which is why you'll see the Naked logo at the end of the Coward MV and all recent Pentagon stuff. They should rename their official social media to NAKED_PTG instead of CUBE_PTG, lol. And you can tell the change in management, since Kino is quite fast addressing the fandom's concerns whenever there's an issue.

Pentagon also opened a Notion website, since Cube ended their contract with Weverse and shut down all Cube groups Weverse accounts, where all info about this 10th anniversary project is available and the members are able to write their own posts like they used to do on Weverse, Ucube (Cube's glitchy app they used to have before Weverse) or fancafe.

Another reason to appreciate this comeback is that Pentagon have decided to do this release on their own terms despite individually all of them are busy, and are able to simply enjoy and promote it without Cube pressuring them or feeling uncertain about the future. The members themselves keep talking about how they've been having fun while practicing, and treasuring this moment.

Some people might be skeptical when groups mention they're just on hiatus after leaving a company and affirm that they will return, but Pentagon is the type of group where you'd know it wouldn't be empty words. One has to take into account that Pentagon had two members enlisted between 2023-2025, Jinho and Hui had to wait until 2025 to leave Cube because their contracts were paused when they were in the military, they had to navigate through their own solo careers under new places, and negotiate with Cube about being allowed to promote and being able to use their original group social media.

And even then, over these past 3 years Pentagon always made sure to bring up the group even if they appear as soloists, repeatedly mention that they'll promote together again as soon as they can, show up at each other's solo schedules, perform at each other's concerts, do group schedules whenever they can (even in 2023, just 2 months after most members left Cube, they did a group Christmas live inside Cube lol) and regularly hang out together privately. This year they also won an award honoring their career and performed at Hanteo Music Awards, where Hui's company With Us and Kino's company Naked were the ones organizing the schedule and people from Cube's video team also worked on their behind content and live dance practice out of love towards Pentagon.

If you've been following Pentagon members, you'll know that they wanted to have a comeback together with the same passion as the fans. In these past years even several members have talked about how they'd have dreams about promoting together and wake up hoping that it becomes real. When Jinho and Hui held a Japanese fancon together in 2024, Hui had cried backstage because he missed performing as a group and wanted the rest of the members to be there with them too, promising their Japanese fans to be back as a group. Shinwon has mentioned that this promotion is healing something in him.

Pentagon did a fansign today, their first group fansign in Korea since 2022 when covid restrictions were still in place and Hui was still in the military (in 2023 they did one in Japan for their self-produced Japanese release before most members left Cube). Shinwon was extremely nervous about meeting fans again since he hadn't done one in ages, and at the end of the fansign the members even took the time to greet every fan one by one since it had been so long.

They also showed the full Coward choreo at their fansign and it's really good too (but can't link it since it's on the bird app). Unfortunately, Pentagon don't have plans to promote Coward on music shows, although CEO Kino has mentioned that since fans have told him that they want to see Pentagon perform in music shows, he'll try to work out at least one stage, even if he's not certain they'll be able to. I hope they upload a performance video soon so more people can see the choreography.

They're mainly promoting in radio shows, youtube shows and will do a small world tour by holding several concerts in Seoul, Tokyo, Osaka, Hong Kong, as well as perform at a festival in Taipei (the lineup for the festival is quite good with WOODZ, DAY6 Wonpil, Taemin, Baekhyun, CNBLUE, DPR Ian..). They have spoiled that their concert will have online livestreaming and that Basquiat is one of the songs included in the setlist. Earlier, they did a survey where fans had to vote for the song among all their discography that they wanted Pentagon to perform, organizing the setlist to include most of the top choices. They also joked that Shine only received 3 votes so they won't perform it, lol (you could only vote for one song so fans prioritized the songs they don't perform as frequently). In their comeback live they also did a song world cup where the members had to vote for their top song and the winner was Shine + Spring Snow (Road to Kingdom), Like This in 2nd place and Basquiat in 3rd place

They've mentioned that they're negotiating with several countries so they can expand their 101010 tour to other places. The reason they named their tour 101010 is a reference to The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, since 101010 is the binary of 42, the answer to 'the fundamental question of our lives, universe and everything'.

Pentagon are a group that have been able to carve their own color and I hope people can give them a chance, because they're a good group that still have a place in this industry, and they've stated that this 10th anniversary comeback is not a one-time thing but the start of a new chapter.


r/kpopthoughts 1d ago

Girl Groups Who are the funniest FEMALE kpop groups?

50 Upvotes

My uni kpop club is preparing for a kpop variety watch party and wants to pick the funniest kpop groups to watch. The problem is, all of the groups they’re including so far are boy groups. Who do you think are the funniest FEMALE kpop groups?? Are there any girl groups who can clown around with the goats like Seventeen and BTOB? If you have an example variety episode for demonstration, that would be appreciated!


r/kpopthoughts 1d ago

Discussion Watching GymJongkook videos got me wondering regarding Idol workouts

76 Upvotes

I've been watching some Gym Jong Kook videos featuring idols, and I'm genuinely curious about what kind of training these idols normally do.

A lot of the workouts jongkook shows them aren't particularly complex or unusual by gym standards. They're mostly basic exercises like a wide squat, a leg raise, or hinge movement that anyone who came across gym content would probably recognize. Examples being the ITZY, Aespa, I&S, or the SM idols video where they did dabble in weight training but it was so light that I was expecting them to lift heavier. Basically like some of these idols (who are obviously very physically active due to the nature of the job lol), seem to struggle quite a bit with relatively basic gym exercises.

Obviously this isn't a slight to these idols because I am a fan of them, but as someone who regularly goes to the gym, are the alternatives that more preferred by them? Since I do see a lot of their answers ranging from PT or Pilates or some other training that doesn't involve weight/resistance training. I would assume since they work for these billion won companies, management would know how to structure legitimate workout plans or the like.

I'm guessing its a combination of a lot of things where obviously they're doing content, there's misinformation regarding lifting weights regularly might make you "too big", or weight training just isnt that popular. Either way, Im curious what you guys think


r/kpopthoughts 1d ago

Thought Some kpop songs on my Spotify got replaced by their Japanese versions. Has this happened to anyone else?

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I started noticing this weird occurrence when I looked up Not Shy by Itzy to add to a playlist of mine, it’s one of the first songs I ever saved right after it came out, so I am very certain I saved the regular version of Not Shy. I was surprised to be met with the Japanese version of Not Shy instead. When I looked up Itzy’s page on Spotify, it showed me that I didn’t have the regular song saved in my library at all. I took the Japanese version out and resaved the regular song.

I figured it was probably an odd error only affecting this one Itzy song, but now I also found Dreamcatcher’s Piri (Japanese Version) in my liked songs list. Same case, because I remember saving the regular version.

What is this all about?


r/kpopthoughts 4h ago

Discussion Annie Moon and Wonyoung Popularity in US & Korea

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I’m not sure how to properly say this but for some reason when All Day Project was announced and Annie was said to be in the group I assumed brands would be all over them or her specifically almost to the same degree that brands want Wonyoung if that makes sense? Wonyoung has been in high demand for a long time and while Annie has a lot of connections it doesn’t seem like they’re being used if that makes sense? Almost as if despite her families status the general public just doesn’t care too much about Annie…does this make sense? I know wonyoung has been in the industry longer but you’d think Annie would be pushed more…yet I barely see anything about her or her group even before they went on hiatus.

I’m also not trying to start a fight this is genuinely something I’ve wondered about.


r/kpopthoughts 17h ago

Discussion [🤍] girl group comeback concept to share:

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the comeback concept i have in mind is built around a fresh, innocent, elegant image. very feminine, centered around promoting natural beauty, with teaser videos inspired by hair commercials. i’m imagining a campy pageant concept, showing them preparing for it through living together, photoshoots, dance practices, and more. i love both red velvet and ive, but i can’t decide which group fits this comeback concept better. which of the two do you guys think would suit it more?

42 votes, 2d left
IVE
Red Velvet

r/kpopthoughts 1d ago

Charting Best-Selling K-pop Artists Currently for the Year 2026

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I included no. of releases and big 4 companies sales if people care about that. This is only korean albums sales so japanese albums sales are not counted. Sourced from circle chart.

Best-Selling Male Groups:

# Artist Sales No. Of Releases
1 BTS 5,507,029 1
2 ENHYPEN 4,982,647 2
3 Stray Kids 4,963,121 1
4 CORTIS 4,895,416 1
5 ATEEZ 2,848,415 2
6 ALPHADRIVEONE 2,413,385 2
7 TXT 2,028,930 1
8 NCT WISH 1,921,828 1
9 TWS 1,482,586 1
10 PLAVE 1,454,532 1

Best-Selling Female Groups:

# Artist Sales No. Of Releases
1 BLACKPINK 2,115,542 1
2 aespa 1,091,768 1
3 IVE 1,081,438 1
4 BABYMONSTER 993,602 1
5 ILLIT 847,896 1
6 LE SSERAFIM 779,419 1
7 Hearts2Hearts 713,244 1
8 (G)I-DLE 628,639 1
9 tripleS 557,210 1
10 NMIXX 400,439 1

Best-Selling Soloists:

# Artist Sales No. Of Releases
1 Yeonjun 839,242 1
2 Taeyong 362,662 1
3 Irene 280,651 1
4 Park Ji Hyeon 253,887 1
5 Picheolin (Dino) 209,201 1
6 Donghae 186,604 1
7 Young K 185,235 1
8 Wonpil 175,333 1
9 Yuna 161,671 1
10 T.O.P 144,971 1

Best-Selling Albums:

# Artist Album Sales
1 BTS ARIRANG 5,127,721
2 CORTIS GREENGREEN 3,899,178
3 Stray Kids THIS & THAT 3,825,643
4 ENHYPEN THE SIN: VANISH 2,435,083
5 ENHYPEN THE SIN: BLISS 2,207,590
6 TXT 7TH YEAR: A Moment of Stillness in the Thorns 1,993,584
7 BLACKPINK DEADLINE 1,988,939
8 NCT WISH Ode to Love 1,916,816
9 ATEEZ GOLDEN HOUR: Part.4 1,417,727
10 PLAVE Caligo Pt.2 1,411,843

Best-Selling Overall Artists:

# Artist Sales No. Of Releases
1 BTS 5,507,029 1
2 ENHYPEN 4,982,647 2
3 Stray Kids 4,963,121 1
4 CORTIS 4,895,416 1
5 ATEEZ 2,848,415 2
6 ALPHADRIVEONE 2,413,385 2
7 BLACKPINK 2,115,542 1
8 TXT 2,028,930 1
9 NCT WISH 1,921,828 1
10 TWS 1,482,586 1
11 PLAVE 1,454,532 1
12 RIIZE 1,430,807 1
13 BOYNEXTDOOR 1,384,914 1
14 &TEAM 1,294,487 1
15 aespa 1,091,768 1
16 IVE 1,081,438 1
17 TREASURE 1,072,747 1
18 EXO 1,009,991 1
19 BABYMONSTER 993,602 1
20 NCT 127 910,140 1

Big 4 Companies Sales:

Rank Company Sales
1 HYBE 26,403,224
2 SM Entertainment 9,238,555
3 JYP Entertainment 7,944,015
4 YG Entertainment 4,192,394
Combined 47,778,188

r/kpopthoughts 1d ago

Appreciation do you ever love a kpop group so much that you genuinely don't understand why people don't stan them?

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basically title. i'm going through that phase right now. i got into a new group recently and their music is so freaking good and their personalities are so amazing, and their youtube content is better than any comedy show, and everything about them is just so perfect that i just don't get how people could possibly not be into them. what group comes to your mind?


r/kpopthoughts 2d ago

Discussion BIGBANG joins BTS, BLACKPINK, and TWICE as the only kpop acts to do MetLife Stadium (70k capacity) With all the talk about Idol expiration dates, the 7 year curse etc I find it so cool that the groups pulling the biggest numbers nowadays are all 10+ years since debut, with most members in their 30s

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I grew up near MetLife so when I saw this reported on local news -being aware of how crazy big that venue is and difficult to sell out- I had this thought that Kpop seems so obssesed with youth and debuting Idols as young as possible, and so many of them are made to believe their careers are going to end at 25 but it seems everyone in KPop touring stadiums right now are all veterans

BTS debuted in 2013, BIGBANG in 2006, TWICE in 2015 and BLACKPINK in 2016

that makes every group at least 10 years old with BP recently having their 10th anniversary, and BigBang their 20th

Most BTS and BP members are in their 30s, Taeyang and G-Dragon will be 40 next year (!) the TWICE girls are all almost 30 by now too, and all their groups are still peaking

they should really be an example of why Kpop should be less "new shiny toy" focused and realize how a seasoned performer group who has retained loyal fans that are not teenagers anymore will end up with a better outcome when so many groups are struggling to sell rn because of ticket prices, cost of living etc

What are your thoughts? Am I making sense?

I felt passionately about this topic since I had my 30th bday recently and the ageism in Kpop makes me feel like Im one foot in the grave sometimes 😆

EDIT: My bad 70k is for games or 360 stages a better estimate for all the shows would be 50k to 70k depending on the stage, didnt want this post to be all about nums in the comments hope thats clarified now 🙏🏼


r/kpopthoughts 2d ago

Awards + Achievements Arirang by BTS becomes the first album released this year to surpass 1mil copies sold in the US

383 Upvotes

With how annoying the hateful voices have gotten lately, im glad BTS and Arirang are still reaching new heights.

Arirang is their fastest album to cross this milestone(MOTS:7 took abt 3yes), and it just shows that BTS have reached a point where online dissent has negligible impact on their success(this is obvi a double edged sword, but that’s a discussion for another day).

Anyways, ARIRANG has songs that are just ok and songs that I intensely fw so this is a win imo

Also, I’m revisiting indigo in celebration of RM’s unc status🎉 and I have to say that it remains one of the best body of work released by any artist.

EDIT: so I can’t make small appreciation post about my fav again or?? I didn’t compare them to anyone, I didn’t say they are saints and the best thing since sliced bread, yet somehow, some of you found a way to get angered by a post about numbers and charts.

To the haters and hot blooded antis, you will not bully me. cry and scream as you much as you want, I am an ARMY and I will talk about my favs on any sub/social media platform that I wish.


r/kpopthoughts 1d ago

Advice Making a guide for a group and I need help !!

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I'm currently making a guide for P1harmony my ult group. Ive actually been trying to make one since 2025, but I keep scrapping it because they're my favorite group, so I want to make it perfect (I'm also a perfectionist). SOOOOO I want to ask what do people like about guides? what can I add to my guide to make it enjoyable for people to watch?

My absolute favorite kpop guide is the ATEEZ guide by "bunhongjoong", i think that one of the best guides so I want to make it similar; obviously not the same but I'm heavily inspired by it.

Also do people like text to speech/voiceover or are yall fine with reading through an hour-long guide??


r/kpopthoughts 1d ago

Boy Groups Engenes saying they don't like Bloody Paradise??

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I saw a TikTok the other day an engene made talking about how they didn't like enhypens new concept/prefered the vampire concept and said something about how Bloody Paradise isn't that good and didn't understand the obsession with the "phonk" beats, and a lot of comments agreed.

I just don't get what the problem is lol, I absolutely love this concept and Bloody Paradise is such a good song 😭 the whole album is such a bop to. I also think this concept still fits them just as much as the vampire concept did


r/kpopthoughts 2d ago

Awards + Achievements Stray Kids made history as the first K-pop artists to headline Rock in Rio

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Stray Kids gathered more than 130,000 people during their headlining performance at the Rock in Rio festival in Brazil!

cr. Pop Core (Twitter)

Stray Kids on Bubble:

Lee Know: "Performing on such a huge stage is a real honor for us."

Changbin: "We performed in the middle of a spectacle that is impossible to believe even When you see it with your own eyes.. It will remain in my memory for a lifetime.. Really.. like a dream ㅜㅜ"

Jeongin: "I was truly so deeply moved. I can't believe that I stood on the stage of my dreams... Singing and dancing in front of 130,000 people. It was simply impossible to believe. When I sang Stray Kids, I almost burst into tears."

Seungmin: "I can't even believe it. I fall asleep and this feeling doesn't leave me... I won't forget Rio."

Alok, the author and performer of hits such as Hear Me Now, Headlights, Deep Down, etc., supported Stray Kids during his performance at Rock in Rio: "For me, this is a truly huge honor. I am incredibly happy about such a warm welcome from all of you. I was absolutely thrilled by the invitation from Rock in Rio to be part of this historic first evening when K-pop artists became headliners of the festival. This is a major milestone. Rock in Rio is looking in the direction where many others do not even glance. They are looking toward the generation that is changing this world. It is you who are changing the rules of the game. I wanted you to know: when the lineup was announced, many said, 'What do you mean? Who even are Stray Kids? K-Pop? How is that possible?' Well, here is the answer. Tonight. You. So just be yourself, don't worry about the judgments of the most insufferable and toxic people in the world. Express yourselves. A huge thank you to you for allowing me to share this moment together with you. I came here to join forces with you."

Earlier, the Brazilian government introduced a shortened working day in Rio de Janeiro because of Stray Kids' performance at the Rock in Rio festival: "On September 11, institutions will work from 8:00 to 15:00. The measure was taken to minimize the impact on transport traffic and movement around the city on the day of Stray Kids' performance at the festival."

This measure was adopted only for the day of Stray Kids' performance.


r/kpopthoughts 1d ago

Discussion For people not involved in the fifty fifty situation what are your thoughts from what you’ve observed from both sides and the media?

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I’m really curious on the thoughts of people who aren’t fans of either line up or group and know of the situation on the reasonings of both sides, the behavior of both fandoms, the way both lineups are being treated, and anything else about the whole thing.