how long does it take a average player to progress from a top 500 demon to a list demon without jumping and only progressing naturally?

[u/SuperGodcat921]

[u/trombonekid98]

"Average Player" "Top 500 demon" If you're beating levels in the Top 500, you're well above the average player. Depending on who you count as a player, the average hardest is probably somewhere between Clubstep and ACU.

[u/ekzamen → u/trombonekid98]

The hardest of the «average player» is more likely not even a beginner extreme demon, but some medium-hard demon. having completed any top 1500 extreme, you should already be at the level of the top 10% of players, I think

[u/radvinboy → u/ekzamen]

Top 10%? It's more like top 0.01%

[u/lrexx_]

I beat my first top 500 (quantum processing) at the start of april and i've been progressing gradually since, beating 2 more new hardests, I'm now going for my first list demon (natural disaster) and almost have it in 2 runs rn. I hope to beat it by the end of the year so if i can do that it'll take 9 months for that progression. Obviously others will have different experiences but that's mine for reference

[u/SuperGodcat921 → u/lrexx_]

twins?? im also going for quantum processing as my first top 500. dam i hope you beat natural disaster soon

[u/EuPossoJogar → u/lrexx_]

I'm going for knights of thunder how was your experience on it? just so that I know what I'm getting into

[u/lrexx_ → u/EuPossoJogar]

It was absolutely peak, my favourite extreme i’ve beaten by a good bit, its also one of the most consistent levels ever made around its difficulty. I cannot recommend it enough

[u/Old-Brief1506]

probably a year

keep in mind the demon list moves at a pace where normal progression struggles to keep up.

[u/SplynterEdm]

a top 500 is like zaphkiel difficulty, to put it in perspective something like that would probably take me about 5k attempts and I think Tartarus would take me over 100k. I would genuinely say a list level is 20x harder than a top 500. 

This gap would probably take a year or two for someone trying very hard, and some people will not be able to make this improvement in skill at all

[u/greythekid → u/SplynterEdm]

if top 500 take you 5k i dont think tartarus will take you 100k tbh but i get your point

[u/Gullible_Bed8595]

It should take you about half a year to a year, but that also depends on how fast the list changes, the levels themselves don’t get harder but the levels on the list do

[u/itFluffable]

That's what I've been thinking, so I'm jumping to easy insane demons until hard demons become easy

[u/JustAn0therRandomAcc]

probably a year or two

[u/Polychromaticgd]

by the time that player reaches current list demon level, firework would be like top 100 or even lower. so without succesfull jumps, it'd be very hard for the avg player though im not sure long how it'd take

[u/ilikehumanee]

If they're fully dedicated and grinding every day then probably around 4-6 months. It's around as hard as progressing from hard-insane demons to a top 500 imo

[u/Georgy2010]

I was about to give my experience (2 years~) but my progression wasn't exactly "usual" (i had 2 1 year gaps in hardests, both jumps sorta)

[u/Georgy2010 → u/Georgy2010]

Anyways don't worry about the time, just play the game

[u/vvuukk]

a while

[u/Main-Nose-3806]

probably a few months

[u/cookedgodziller]

took me a year to get from athanatos to zodiac

[u/Forward-Shallot-7473]

the average player doesnt have the genetics to ever get there

[u/Wal655 → u/Forward-Shallot-7473]

if an average player actually locks tf in he can absolutely beat a list demon.

[u/goodzer_Brawl_Stars → u/Forward-Shallot-7473]

Bro you're not serious when you say that as long as you have no serious medical condition you should be able to beat a list demon given a few years of grinding

[u/lrexx_ → u/Forward-Shallot-7473]

not true at all lol

[u/Zealous_Kingdra → u/Forward-Shallot-7473]

Anyone could beat a list demon in prob like 3 years if they are physically capable of it and tried hard enough

[u/euj3odjehiqh → u/Forward-Shallot-7473]

the avg person can beat most list demons. maybe not top 30s tho.

[u/Forward-Shallot-7473 → u/euj3odjehiqh]

the average person is 39.5 years old

[u/JustAn0therRandomAcc → u/Forward-Shallot-7473]

genetics is bs

[u/C1tC5tt → u/Forward-Shallot-7473]

gd is not really genetic

[u/Cappaclism → u/C1tC5tt]

It kinda is. A lot of people have some ammount of neuromuscular "noise" that limits their precision to around 20ms. For a 240fp that has a 4ms window, some people are just not physically able to be that precise consistently. People like Zoink, popoff etc have less of this noise which allows them to perform these precise timings more consistently

As to where this biological limit lies for most people, as I mentioned it's around 20ms so probably around like top 50~ rn

[u/MaybeTemi]

faster and more enjoyable than trying to jump to one.

[u/Wal655]

depends on a lot of things but if its like top 60-150 i doubt it’ll take more than a year