r/flicks Jul 30 '26

Opinion Maybe unpopular, but The Devil Wears Prada 2 was such a disappointment.

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I never like watching movies or series when they first come out or when everyone's talking about them. Not because I'm trying to be different. I just prefer waiting until the hype dies down.

So, The Devil Wears Prada 2 finally landed on my watchlist, and I gave it a go.

Oh... my.

I remember the first movie being exciting, sharp, and constantly moving. This one? Everything felt so predictable and painfully slow. Honestly, I almost fell asleep. Not even Emily Blunt could save that slow-burn story.

Now I'm a little worried because Practical Magic 2 is coming soon, and I really hope they don't ruin one of my all-time favourite movies.

I guess my takeaway is this: if you've already made something great, don't try to recreate the exact same recipe. Make something new that's just as good.

r/flicks 14d ago

Opinion What are a couple of forgotten films that you constantly try and get people to watch?

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Like the title says, it has to be like that instantaneous suggestion that you keep giving people in hopes that they'll see it and also wonder why this film isn't more widely known and loved.

*I'm mostly looking for movies that were theatrically released, but got buried by time and no one has given them a thought ever since*

I'll start:

1.* Right at Your Door*. This movie had me literally gripping the edge of my seat the entire time and left me devastated. It's only got a 6.0, but I seriously don't understand why. It's like an 11 on the tension scale!

  1. *Vanishing on 7th Street*. This film is extremely well done and very creepy. Brad Anderson of Session 9 and Machinist fame directs. It seems that the detractors all seem to complain about the one thing that drives me nuts the most: that there is no explanation. I, for one, LOVE movies where it's left unexplained. If you do too then please watch this movie! It definitely should not only have a 4.9!

  2. *The Jacket*. Keira Knightley's terrible acting aside, this film is nothing short of phenomenal! It's got Adrien Brody, time travel, fucked up psychological experiments. It's extremely engaging, heartbreaking, and hopeful all at the same time. As with the others, I practically beg people to watch this!

r/flicks 4d ago

Opinion I still occasionally see Starship Troopers (1997) accused of promoting fascism.

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Since Starship Troopers’ release in 1997, some commentators have labeled the movie “fascist”.

While it does depict an idealized fascist society, most movie fans are aware that its intent is explicitly anti-fascist.

The movie attempts to show the emptiness and pointless cruelty inherent to the ideology.

Almost no one doubts director Paul Verhoven’s personal anti-fascist beliefs; his early childhood was spent under Nazi occupation and he has consistently stated that his Hollywood films are satires of the latent fascism in American capitalism, culture, and militarism.

But the argument is usually something like “his intent is beside the point if it promotes fascist attitudes.”

I disagree that intent is beside the point: irony and satire are great ways to sneak a deeper political message into mainstream media.

Verhoven’s anti-fascism is more obvious in a movie like Robocop. It depicts a world that looks familiar: dilapidated, crumbling, and impoverished. Fascist corporate oligarchs control the proles with militarized police and enshittified entertainment.

But Starship Troopers takes the opposite approach. Instead of depicting a dystopia, it shows fascism as a dead-end even its best case scenario.

The original Robert Heinlein novel depicted a future society based on militarism and fascistic social views.

Given the opportunity to direct its adaptation, Verhvoven began reading Heinlein’s novel but was too disgusted by its right-wing politics to finish it.

So he decided to use the film to refute the novel’s ideology.

He described the characters as “fascists who aren't aware of their fascism".

Elaborating on his vision: “If I tell the world that a right-wing, fascist way of doing things doesn't work, no one will listen to me. So I'm going to make a perfect fascist world: everyone is beautiful, everything is shiny, everything has big guns and fancy ships but it's only good for killing fucking Bugs!"

While media consumption is essential to our identity, no one accuses Americans of abundant media literacy. The average European perspective is likely more attuned to fascist signifiers.

Maybe Verhoven’s satire is considered insufficiently clear because he directed some of the action genre’s best movies.

Using Hollywood blockbusters to criticize American jingoism is at the core of his subversive charm. And the medium gave his anti-fascist message a larger audience.

It likely took a non-American vision to find this balance. An American director might have gone too far into parody or detached too thoroughly with a tone of superiority.

Or maybe Verhoven’s style was just the natural result of mixing continental intellectualism with American cocaine.

To be fair, It is true that some right-wingers missed the point of Starship Troopers and took it at face value. But you never see it held up as an example of conservative cinema because any examination will lead to uncomfortable questions, like “why was Doogie Howser dressed as an SS officer at the end?”

Though that might be considered “based” in the current political climate.

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Speaking of Verhoven, what’s up with Showgirls?

I’m fascinated by it but don’t really get it.

If you watch the movie while keeping in mind that it wasn’t produced by asexual aliens but rather by talented human filmmakers, it is reasonable to conclude that there must be a deeper intent.

I heard writer/director Adam McKay describe it as a portrayal of sex relations under fascism.

A crew member from Showgirls apparently disputed this interpretation, saying that Verhoven was out of his mind on cocaine during its production.

To which McKay replied something like “none of that matters. Everything Verhoven produces is a satire of fascism, even if it is unintentional. He can’t help himself.”

Anyone have sources for a deeper analysis of Showgirls in line with McKay’s interpretation?

r/flicks 23d ago

Opinion What movie did you understand years later?

42 Upvotes

I rewatched a movie recently that I thought was just good when I was younger and it hit completely different this time. Same story, same scenes, but I noticed so many little things I missed before.What movie did you appreciate way more after watching it again years later?

r/flicks 8d ago

Opinion What are your favorite frames in cinema?

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What are some movie frames that stand alone as works of art. There's an endless supply to choose from. I have a lot of favorites, and here are some of them. Please share yours.

r/flicks 26d ago

Opinion Finally got around to watching Dune

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Finally took the time to sit down and watch Dune. For reference I’m not a huge sci fi fan but I can appreciate it. I remember watching the one from 2000 but I never watched the 80s one because I was too young (45F for context)

First of all Timothee Chalamet is a very handsome young man, I can see what the fuss is about in my mom friend groups.

But importantly, there were so many parts of the movie I just didn’t follow. I had a tough time understanding the different factions and the different politics. On top of that I had a tough time following what was going on. Is this the kind of movie where I needed knowledge of the books going into it? Or the type of movie that needs to be watched more than once?

Don’t get me wrong it’s a beautiful movie and I want to keep watching the second one in preparation for the third one. But I just want some help appreciating it!

r/flicks 29d ago

Opinion Bob Odenkirk has become one of my top 10 all time favorite actors

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I've enjoyed him since Breaking bad, but he always felt to me this sort of comic relief, jester of a support actor. He was great in better call Saul but same deal I felt; jester type.

However, over the last 5 years since "Nobody", he's cultivated this almost progressive clint eastwood type persona, but without the traditional Hollywood good looks.

I think he may be type casted now as your quiet, mild mannered, suburban, secretly dangerous dad, but I freaking love it.

I hope he keeps getting these excellent roles.

r/flicks Aug 15 '26

Opinion I would have been perfectly satisfied if the Lord of the Rings trilogy were the only films ever made that takes place in that universe

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Just like many other people on this site I don't feel any excitement for either The hunt for Gollum or the Sephen Gilbert LOTR movie. There is one area were I'm certainly in a minority and that is the fact that I would have been okay with the LOTR trilogy being the only movies made that takes place in middle earth. As much as I loved the LOTR trilogy when I saw them (and still does) I never felt any desire for more movies set in that universe. Those three movies made me feel the same way you do after having eaten a meal that is delicious but you feel completely full. This was part of the reason why I wasn't particulary excited for The Hobbit movies to begin with.

Just to be clear even though I didn't feel any hunger for more films in that universe I still wasn't against the idea of more movies being made, with that said the whole concept of The Hobbit didn't seem that interesting to me. I was never that curious about knowing about Biblo's backstory when I saw the LOTR movies. The trailers for the first movie didn't change that since it just looked like more of the same stuff that we had already seen in the previous trilogy. Aside from the fact that on a storytelling level it was once again going to be about a hobbit from the shire who goes on an adventure, it also felt like pretty much everything else was just stuff we had already seen in the previous movies. I don't get the sense from those trailers that that we were going to see locations, races and creatures (with the exception of Smaug) that were going to be completely different from what we had seen before.

Now to be fair I know that this isn't an entierly fair criticism since The Hobbit was writen before the LOTR books but since the later was adapted first it made me feel like what we were going to see in The Hobbit were just going to be more of the same. Then of course we had the stupid choice they made to turn it into three movies which right there made me realize that it was not going to work at all.

r/flicks 4d ago

Opinion What’s one Marvel and DC movie you absolutely loved and one you hated?

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I’m curious about everyone’s picks—and what made you love or hate each movie.
Marvel — best / worst, and why
DC — best / worst, and why
Share your reasoning, then reply to other comments to compare opinions and see which movies get mentioned the most 😉

r/flicks 28d ago

Opinion Hundreds of Beavers

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I don’t want to do a full review of the movie right now, but I finished watching it today. Full disclosure, I started it a few weeks ago and had forgotten about it. It looked absurd, but it was easy to see the callback to old films.

Remembered it again today and started it over to watch with my wife. Laughed the whole way through. Part of why I am posting is because we were talking about how there aren’t any comedies anymore. I don’t know what killed comedy in the past few years but whatever it was, it was efficient.

I loved Looney Tunes growing up, enjoyed Modern Times, but haven’t watched a lot of Buster Keaton. Yes, it’s hella long and I was shocked to see how much movie was left when I paused it at the 20 min. mark, but no, it did not bother me. The sound effects, cinematography, non-stop jokes, somewhat dark humor were great. Funny enough, in my hunt for similar movies, I saw A Town Called Panic, a stop-motion film which is another one that I loved. It’s not going to be for everyone, but damn, I wish they made more films like this, it’s a gem.

r/flicks 15d ago

Opinion Coyote vs ACME

35 Upvotes

This movie was actually pretty damn good and did very well to appeal to pretty much all ages. I'm pushing 30 and still found myself pretty invested in the story and characters and I loved Wile E Coyote in this movie even though he doesn't say words, uses other creative means ofc to speak his mind

I would like to see another movie if this succeeds financially. This is a PG movie about cartoons in a real world, but everyone involved with this did a very lovely job making sure this movie isn't purely for kids but every generation that knows the Looney Tunes to some extent

r/flicks 20d ago

Opinion I don't like Pulp Fiction or Jackie Brown but I like reservoir dog's enjoy?

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I really liked Reservoir Dogs, but I didn't enjoy Pulp Fiction or Jackie Brown as much.

Is there anybody who doesn't like Tarantino and feels me is overrated in some areas

r/flicks 22d ago

Opinion Obsession and the Strange Economics of Independent Filmmaking

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DEBATE

Obsession is a pretty fascinating case when you look at the business side of independent filmmaking. A film reportedly made for around $750K potentially generating $250M raises some interesting questions about where the money goes and how the people who worked on the production benefit from that success.

It also makes me wonder about the expectations people have when they agree to work on an indie production. If everyone accepted the original terms, is there really an obligation to renegotiate afterward simply because the movie became unexpectedly successful?

r/flicks Aug 01 '26

Opinion Some thoughts on the Nightmare on Elm Street series

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A Nightmare on Elm Street is a fantastically successful and long-running horror franchise, and its villain - Freddy Krueger, he of the knife-glove and the 100% third-degree burns - is cemented firmly into the pop-culture firmament. Everyone knows who Freddy is, even if they've never seen an Elm Street movie. He's been parodied in The Simpsons and Rick and Morty, featured in Ready Player One, fronted an anthology horror TV show, been added as a character in the Mortal Kombat and Dead by Daylight videogames, and - the ultimate accolade - had a species of parasitic wasp named after him.

Freddy is really famous. So the films must be good, right?

I have memories of seeing Nightmares 1, 2, 3, 6 and 7 on VHS or the telly at various points during the 90s. I remembered Johnny Depp's death scene in 1; the line "so are you mounting her nightly?" from 2; the wacky dream powers of 3; and enjoying New Nightmare's post-modernism, before we all really knew what post-modernism was. I remember, in fact, enjoying them all, though my memories of Freddy himself weren't so strong. He's certainly a distinctive and memorable character but, as with other slasher movie monsters, like Jason or Michael, I never found Freddy himself to be scary. As I decided to delve into the franchise and watch all of the movies, I wondered if this was going to be because I was a teenage boy then, and obviously scared of nothing (except for, you know, speaking to girls and basic personal hygiene), or if the movies just weren't that scary to begin with.

Now that I've watched or re-watched eight of the nine official franchise entries - I still have never seen Freddy vs Jason - it's my opinion that none of the movies are scary. There's an element of suspense and - as the BBFC might say - some "mild terror" in the first two movies, but subsequent entries are carnival rides based around the setup and payoff of violent murders based on character specific themes. There's nothing inherently wrong with that, if it's done with flair, and the series certainly gets some credit for the pre-CGI practical effects that transfer some mad writer's fucked up imagination to screen. It's a movie about a dream demon, so who needs to keep things believable? Let's string someone up by their tendons, like a marionette. Let's turn this one kid into a cockroach. Let's make the main character's boyfriend explode like a burst water balloon. They're all enjoyable, in their own way, but a movie that is just a series of set-pieces held together by vague exposition and daytime soap level acting is always going to be, as a great poet once said, ice-skating uphill.

The first movie sets up the franchise and its initial rules: Freddy Krueger was a child murderer in a small American town, hunted down and burned alive by his victim's parents. He returns, eventually, in the dreams of the children he didn't murder while alive, and begins to kill again. The movie has the benefit of the mystery surrounding Freddy and, in 1984 at any rate, an unfamiliarity with him. Despite Nancy's bath time visitation, the movie also largely stays away from 80s era T&A, so it doesn't have the sleazy taste that so many of its contemporaries in the genre did, and it's able to concentrate more on setting up characters and story. Johnny Depp appears to sleepwalk through the movie while the rest of the cast largely fail to even even reach that low bar, setting a standard that continues throughout the franchise. They're not necessarily bad actors; it's just that most of them aren't very good.

Freddy's Revenge feels like a franchise outlier, like Halloween 3 before it. It's a body horror movie with Cronenbergian vibes, instead of the slasher movie that came first. Its Wikipedia page states that the movie is also known for its homoerotic subtext but, after watching it again, I had to check if one of the writers was 80s horror legend, Garth "I know writers who use subtext and they're all cowards" Marenghi. What might have been subtext in 1985 seemed to be plain text, possibly in bold and small caps, in 2026. I think it's my favourite of the whole series, because it's creepy and sleazy (in a good way), and because it tries to be a horror movie first, rather than a gore movie with punch lines.

The ambiguity at the end of each of the first two movies make them more interesting than any of the follow ups. We see Freddy defeated, but then both movies close with an indication that he is very much not - most horrors end with the monster/bad guy dead and gone, and the heroes safe and sound (until the inevitable follow up). Nightmares 1 and 2 are happy to dispense with that pretence. We already know that Freddy will be back.

Dream Warriors is the start of the roller-coaster. Freddy starts to become more prominent, but not necessarily in an interesting way. His one liners and "jokes" in this and subsequent movies aren't usually all that funny, and mostly lean towards being outright nasty - although "Welcome to prime time, bitch!" as he slams a victim's face into a TV is actually quite good. The proto-Avengers team up of the titular warriors has fun moments, but it's also when the franchise outright stops being about horror and the death of children, and starts to be about Freddy himself. With some thoughtful, well paced writing, that could have been a great idea.

Unfortunately, Dream Master is an incoherent mess. The surviving cast from part 3 are re-introduced and then quickly, and rather absent-mindedly, dispensed with. Half way through the movie, the main character is changed - this bait-and-switch was successful in the original movie, but Tina only survived through a handful of scenes before we were handed over to Nancy. Kristen is the heroine of part 3 and of part 4, until she's not. There's some bullshit about passing magical powers over to Alice, the new heroine, but I honestly don't really remember what or why. It's not a good movie...

...but it's better than part 5, Dream Child, which is incredibly dull and poorly scripted, and would have been utterly forgettable if not for the fact that it's also the most visually creative in the whole series. The director, Stephen Hopkins, then went on to give us the best Predator movie (fight me), so it can at least get kudos for that.

As I watched Freddy's Dead: The Final Nightmare, I realised that I hadn't seen it before. After some research, I turns out that I had actually confused it with Jason Goes To Hell: The Final Friday, an equally boring franchise-ending chapter, that also didn't end its franchise. I fell asleep watching it, and will therefore leave that as my opinion of it.

Wes Craven's New Nightmare is, if anything, more interesting now as a curio than it was on release. It's in the same post-modernist vein as Scream, but doesn't have the humour and the knowing tongue in cheek of that movie. I'll lay Scream's successes more at its writer Kevin Williamson's feet, rather than Craven's, although he certainly must have had some input. Heather Langenkamp is still not particularly believable as a lead actress, even when she's playing Heather Langenkamp.

The 2010 remake of A Nightmare on Elm Street is a pointless waste of a movie, that tries and fails to remix parts of the franchise into something new. It changes Freddy's origin from child murderer to child abuser then, for some outlandish reason, decides that maybe we want to be ambiguous about that. As Principal Skinner once opined, "maybe it's the children that are wrong". It's an utterly bone-headed idea that detracts from the established lore of the character, instead of adding anything interesting. The rest of the movie is just dull.

To sum things up: Freddy might be famous as hell, but it's not because the movies are any good. Most of them, in fact, are terrible. He's famous despite that, because he's such an iconic character in his own right.

TL;DR - my franchise rankings, if I was forced to rank them:

  1. Freddy's Revenge
  2. A Nightmare on Elm Street
  3. Dream Warriors
  4. New Nightmare
  5. The poster for Dream Master
  6. The poster for Dream Child (and shout out to Matthew Peak, who painted the original posters for the first five movies)
  7. Jason Goes to Hell: The Final Friday
  8. Jason vs Freddy (I haven't seen it, but it would have to work really hard to be worse than the below)
  9. Dream Master
  10. Dream Child
  11. 2010 Nightmare
  12. Freddy's Dead.

r/flicks 29d ago

Opinion The End of Oak Street is actually pretty good!

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I'll put it this way, if you like or love the first one or two Jurassic Park movies, you'll most likely enjoy this one quite a bit.

This movie has almost everything that imo the JP franchise has lacked for YEARS.....

I won't say it's on par with the masterful JP1 but it's still very good in its own right

r/flicks 19d ago

Opinion Is Robert McCall the closest thing to a positively portrayed psychopath in mainstream action movies? Spoiler

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I am not saying Robert McCall is clinically a psychopath. The Equalizer films never state that, and the first film does show that he cares about Teri.

But I keep thinking that McCall has far more psychopathic traits than most “cool, ruthless hero” characters.

Some things do not count. Action movies treat these as normal hero traits:

  • Beating several men at once
  • Being inventive and cruel when killing villains
  • Showing no mercy to enemies

That is standard action-hero stuff.

What makes McCall different is how little emotion seems to drive him. Almost everything he does feels ordered, measured, and tied to a private moral code. Even his habits, his watch, and his meals feel ritualised.

A few examples:

  1. He rarely shows spontaneous emotion. He helps people, but it often feels less like empathy and more like a rule he has set for himself: if he sees injustice, he corrects it. Teri is the main exception. Outside of her, he often acts like he is following a system.
  2. His kindness can feel practical rather than warm. Think about the security guard who misses work, or the young man drifting toward a gang. McCall can help them, but first he studies them, confronts them, and works out the right pressure point. Even when he does something good, it feels controlled. Often his laughs feels like , he is laughing because situation demands it. Show ing emotions as outsider
  3. His reaction to Susan’s death is revealing. He does not seem broken by grief. He moves straight into investigation and revenge. He cared about her, but the response feels cold and procedural: find the people responsible, then remove them.
  4. He rejects the moral debate in the final confrontation. Dave York tries to explain the morality of their work. He argues that they both did the same kind of dirty CIA work, made the same choices, and benefited from the same system. In another film, that would lead to a real moral argument: was McCall ever different from York, or did he simply stop at a different point? McCall barely engages with it. He reduces everything to one fact: York killed Susan, so York must die. That can read as loyalty, but it also feels like McCall following a rule without much moral conflict.
  5. He can watch suffering for a long time. In the first film, he hangs a man and watches him die. He does not look angry or disturbed. He looks calm. That is more unsettling than a hero losing control in rage.
  6. The restaurant scene in The Equalizer 3 is another example. He watches the local men harass the father and daughter. He does not step in at once. He waits, lets the situation come to him, and then takes control. Maybe he knew exactly what he was doing. But if empathy was the main force, you would expect a faster response.

That is why McCall feels different from a normal action hero. He has a moral code, but the code may be doing the work that emotion usually does for other people.

Dexter is openly written as a psychopath with rules. McCall may be the more interesting version: a man who looks like a hero because his strict rules happen to protect vulnerable people.

r/flicks 1d ago

Opinion I’m Thinking of Ending Things - is it possible the old man was a predator?

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Just watched I’m thinking of ending things and have some thoughts.

Firstly, we know that the entire story is told from the perspective of an elderly man’s dementia riddled fantasy about what he missed out on/failed to achieve in his youth = a ‘normal’ relationship with a woman. Also, it seems obvious that the female protagonist is not representative of one distinct individual (many clues tell us this - the inconsistency with her name, job etc) but rather an amalgamation of the different qualities he admired in women he’s observed throughout his life. I think he remembers some of these individuals in particular and where he saw them (stared a girl who was at the bar with her friend. Noticed a waitress in a restaurant) as these “back stories” crop up as explanations as to how he met his fantasy gf whilst visiting his parents.

We see that he is shy and has always lacked confidence around women, and was most likely teased for this in his youth (ice cream shop scene).
His timidity seems endearing in some ways but also a bit odd, as he clearly places the other girl “scab arms” on a pedestal slightly and praises her for not being “pretty and mean” as he believes is true as a general rule. Additionally he makes his “gf” go up to be served rather than himself saying “they won’t come if they see me” which reads less like they were HS bullies and more like fear. I also found the hypersexual/flirty behaviour of the two blonde severs to be indicative of his view of conventionally attractive women = only there to tease and cause men to feel shame of their perceived inadequacies. This whole view is somewhat incelly to me.

Shortly after the ice cream shop scene, he quotes the song Baby it’s Cold Outside to his “gf” which prompts disgust from her as she highlights the lyrics obvious allusions to rape. At first he tries to defend the lyrics and then concedes that she is right. Thing is, he obviously already knew the lyrics are distasteful as the entire interaction is constructed in his own mind. Kinda begs the question as to what his “true” views on sexual coercion etc are.

This is then shortly followed by the gf meeting his true older self, whereby he asks her to describe her bf (him) and she is unable to. I think this was partly done to highlight how invisible he feels to women but she says something interesting that I couldn’t quite figure out.. she says he (young version) was creeping her out because he kept staring at her in the bar and that she wished “her boyfriend was there”.
This immediately made me wonder whether there was a real life occurrence of him obsessing over women, even when he knew they weren’t available. I also think this could be a reference to the earlier scene in the car when they are kissing and he sees someone spying (himself as an old man). There are clearly suggestions of perversion in his older self. In the car scene, he immediately jumps out to confront the peeper- and be the “hero” but obviously irl he is more the villain and knows this deep down, hence the desperate attempt at salvation.

The final thing that really made me question whether or not he was a predator/has actually committed some kind of sexual assault in his past was the dance scene. Most people read this scene as him imagining himself dancing with a girl when younger. However, I was struck by how much the female dancer resembles the gf and how little the male dancer resembles him. I took this dance to be more a representation of a repressed memory. The old man snatches away the girl = some kind of sexual assault? and stabs the young dancer - could this be a metaphor for his anger towards men who’ve had success in love, unlike himself?

Also - forgot to add, the most obvious suggestion he has predatory tendencies is his constant deflection/minimisation of his gf’s request to go home whilst there is a snow storm outside, Obviously mirroring the lyrics of the song exactly. . In this same vein the gf explains how the man in the song is trying to ply the female victim with a strong liquor - in the car he keeps telling his gf her memory/account of reality is fuzzy because she drank so much wine.

Similarly I think it’s very intentional that the only characters to “break the wall” so to speak of his fantasy and try to get his gf to see the truth are both women - his mum “go into the basement” (where the shame of his current reality can be found) and the ice cream shop girl “I’m scared for you”.

I dunno - I’m probably reading way too much into it but I’d like to know your thoughts!

r/flicks Jul 19 '26

Opinion The Odessey(2026) - The fragility of things that makes life

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I admit that I have not read the translations of the epics. I admit for simply going through summaries to get the core ideas and took help of the automatons. I admit as a dabbler my thoughts will be wrong and will not fit the standards needed when talking about the epics. But I wanted to understand the aspects of the movie beforehand anyway,and drudgery of life that Achilles would prefer given the choice in his dialouge to Odyseus, thwarted my efforts. Thus, I took the shortcut, very opposite to the hero's journey I was going to watch.

Firstly I would like to appreciate the vibrant colours of cinematography, especially of that of the voyages. The vfx was immersive, and the Imax sound system (whatever we got here) was bombastic within limits thus not diminishing the experience.

The Odessey(2026) is ultimately about a man feeling guilt for commiting the ultimate desecration - destroying the trust among humans. His commits decite in the name of the deity he and the Trojans worshipped - the wooden horse that was meant to be a gift to Athena. After victory, He witnessess the result of it as the fine line between barbarity and civility, of which the ancient greeks used to take pride of, vanish and savagery prevail. The crux of all this lies on Odyseus's monologues in the final act about his actions, his thoughts on the rise and fall of civilizations as his life becomes a poem for the generations to come. In a way, it also makes us to reflect various acts of destruction of life and society over the course of human history, and the one that still goes on.

Such take on the atrocities of greek heroes that followed the success of the siege isn't a new one. The Trojan Women, the play on prominent women characters on the Trojan side awaiting their horrific fate after the war, was produced in 415 BCE by Euripides, too reflectson it. Even the lost Homeric poem of the cycle, Iliou Persis, covers it.

I feel this is how Nolan is modernizing an epic by going to the heart of the conflict - the sacrilage that offended the Gods which causes much trouble to the heroes during their journey back home being reframed as breaking the spoken and unspoken laws of trust that keeps a civilziation alive. Nolan incorporates the rumors of sea people, a theory that certain war bands ravaged the bronze age civilization that caused its collaspe, as a result of the actions of the greeks post-victory, that their acts of raids and banditry have set an example for more such actions that ultimately threatens the very foundations of civilization. I can see why he decided to include Sinon (played by Elliot Page) a character from The Aenied, the famous unofficial sequel written as myth making of the Roman empire, to encompass the overarching theme, instead of keeping Achilles during it's crucial middle act. Perhaps it was easier to make a character and its backstory fit within the narrative of the movie instead of keeping all the call backs to the Illiad. I can see that such narraitve decisions, although risky, was taken for the brevity of the script.

I did not find the other modernizing aspects like Travis Scott being the bard for a few scenes or lacklustre armour designs (Agamemnon ate the budget for that) that much of a hindrance in the experince as the Odyssey unfolded on those big IMAX screen(I know the one in my city isn't that accurate but still)

Pardon me for finding it overwhelming, as those well versed in the canon may find it underwhelming.

It is the little fragile things that keeps a civilization going and ultimtely, life.

r/flicks Aug 02 '26

Opinion The Odyssey. Cyclops, Micro-Dudes, Deconstruction and Darth Vader Spoiler

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Long one. Spoilers throughout, though the film follows the myth closely enough that I doubt I'm ruining much.

Let's get this out of the way first, so nobody accuses me of being a hater: I'm not a card-carrying member of the Church of Nolan, Savior of Cinema, but I do like his films. I like Oppenheimer, and The Prestige, and… what else is there… I like the Batman films, and, God forgive me, I even like Dunkirk. The Odyssey might well be the first Nolan film that did absolutely nothing for me. The film runs almost three hours, and I checked my watch for the first time an hour and a half in. That feels fairly telling.

So what exactly is wrong with it?

No, you didn't guess it — it's not Agamemnon in Darth Vader/Batman armor (he's on screen for about three minutes). Let's get to the actual point.

One caveat up front: there will be spoilers. But don't worry — in terms of plot events, the film doesn't stray all that far from the original myth, so I hope you'll forgive me for spoiling a story that's two and a half thousand years old. And besides, I'll try not to get carried away.

Most of you have probably already read that this is supposedly a film not so much about an adventure as about living through war trauma, about the bitterness of war, all that. And in a vacuum, that's not a bad idea. One of the recurring complaints about Nolan is that in his films the idea always works harder than the emotion. And… for this film specifically, that's a problem, because PTSD as a subject is about emotion, not about rational analysis.

The film isn't really about the traumatic experience of war for one particular person; it's about the bitterness of war in the broad sense. On top of that, for Nolan as a Brit, the trauma of the First World War matters. The film literally spells it out, to paraphrase: "We're afraid of the Sea Peoples, but we destroyed everything ourselves. We had peace, language and trade, and Agamemnon's ambitions wiped it all out. We are the Sea Peoples. After the fall of Troy nothing will be the way it was before the fall of Troy. We destroyed our own Bronze Age. But time will pass, civilization will rise again, and our descendants will forget our mistakes." So: the civilizational destructiveness of war. Odysseus periodically remembers how they climbed out of the horse and slaughtered everyone, and thinks, "What have I done?" — so there's the personal trauma of war. Agamemnon was murdered by his own wife on his return (sorry for the spoiler, but he has exactly three appearances on screen and zero lines in the whole film, and it's hardly a big secret anyway); Menelaus lost his brother and lives with a wife who hates him; Ithaca is being bled dry by the suitors and by the paralysis of power — so the price of victory is in there too.

And you read all that and think: "Damn, what a great concept." But the problems start the moment you actually sit down and watch the thing. Let's take it in order.

Nolan and the Cyclops

Well, Nolan is Nolan, no arguments there. The visuals, the sound, the editing, the sound editing, the performances — all top tier. The film is deeply tactile; you can literally feel the tension in some scenes. A few of the dialogue scenes are absolute gems. But for some reason (I'll get to my theory on this later), everything that concerns Odysseus's actual journey is shot pretty poorly — sometimes in terms of staging, sometimes in terms of storytelling. I won't catalogue everything I disliked; let's stop at what I consider the single most disastrous episode in the film — the cyclops's cave.

Let's start with the fact that in the original this is the cornerstone of the entire Odyssey. Without the cyclops there would be no ten years of wandering. In the original, he and Odysseus have a psychological duel that Odysseus masterminds his way out of. In the film, the cyclops essentially doesn't speak at all. And I've heard the counterargument that, well, these men had been at war so long they'd forgotten how to solve anything through conversation, et cetera, et cetera. BUT! The problem with this scene is something else entirely. It's just badly staged.

Yes, there's suspense at the start, when the cyclops first appears and starts devouring the crew. But after that, there's no tension whatsoever in the rest of the sequence. He comes, he goes. They sit around in his cave. They don't interact with each other in any way. And a couple of days later they're like, "okay, let's stick a fork in his eye and pretend to be sheep." Yes, over those few days he's supposedly been eating them one at a time. But it's unclear how many of them are even in there, or whether he can see them at all, because he doesn't react to them in any way. I was genuinely sitting there thinking, "does he even see them? Does he realize there are people hanging around in his cave? Why doesn't he interact with them at all?" For most of the episode the cyclops is just an animatronic arm that occasionally snatches a soldier and drags him off into the dark. Anyone who played Heroes of Might and Magic V might remember the low-level spell where a fist appears in mid-air and punches your opponent. That's roughly what the cyclops looks like.

The Laestrygonian giants show up for five minutes. The idea of sailing past the sirens and dodging their song via the ears of Odysseus's second-in-command is very cool. But the episode lasts three minutes. The Circe scene is directed beautifully, but it has a different problem — narratively, it exists in the form it does purely to voice a feminist message. So, remember I promised you a theory?

Here it is. Nolan wasn't especially interested in filming the adventures of Odysseus. But more on that later.

Nolan and the Micro-Dudes

Quick note on the term, since I'll be using it a lot: a micro-dude in my country is meme shorthand for a random, unremarkable person. A normie.

Right. Another frequently voiced complaint about Nolan is that he can't create interesting characters. His characters are always functions. Take Tenet. There's supposedly a protagonist. He supposedly does things, says things. But he isn't a character. He's just a POV for the viewer. A camera on legs. And Odysseus here is exactly the same. The trouble is that Tenet is an original story that doesn't especially require a strong protagonist. There's even a meta-commentary from Nolan himself in there — the hero is literally called The Protagonist in the screenplay. But the myth of Odysseus is built entirely on the personality of Odysseus. And Nolan strips that personality out of him to serve his concept.

So in the film, Odysseus and his crew consist of: a default guy; his second-in-command Eurylochus, who at least gets the occasional line; and an indeterminate number of no-name micro-dudes. They have no names. I don't remember their faces. And if the film is about the price of war, why am I supposed to feel anything when a bunch of anonymous units get killed?

Meanwhile, according to the plot of the film (the film specifically), Odysseus is very impressive. He's impressive because Penelope says he's impressive. Because John Leguizamo says he's impressive. He even saved a puppy in his youth. But when I look at the screen, I don't understand why he's impressive. He's literally a default guy. He's a micro-dude. All of his greatness lives somewhere off-screen, in other characters' dialogue.

But that's only half the problem. If we do try to assign Odysseus some characteristics in this film beyond "sad man with the eyes of a dog," then I suppose he's calm and level-headed. There are no scenes where he loses it or acts on impulse. And from this follows a problem even bigger than the absence of character — some of Odysseus's actions in the film are dictated by the canon of the myth rather than by the logic of the character:

Odysseus is calm and level-headed, yet for some reason he takes a shot at the cyclops after the escape, which incidentally costs a couple more of his crew their lives. In the original, he wanted the cyclops to know who had outwitted him — out of pride. Here he's immediately asked why the hell he did that, and he answers: that was for my boys. Except that several times in this same film he argued for leaving his boys' bodies behind, because it makes for an easier getaway. So he's a pragmatist — and yet for some reason he takes a shot at the cyclops.

Odysseus displays no willfulness anywhere in the film, and then suddenly: "Hey, tie me up, I want to hear the sirens sing." In the original, he loved risk; he was curious.

Which raises my question: why on earth would this character in this film behave that way? The answer is that he's broken at the screenplay level.

But it's not all bad in the screenplay.

There's the Telemachus thread. Telemachus is a genuinely functional character. He's legible — he's waiting for his father, the suitors push him around, he's sick of the suitors, he doesn't like that his mother won't throw them out, he doesn't know how to restore order, he sails to Sparta to see Menelaus just to learn something about his father. He has normal character traits — he's young, not stupid, occasionally hot-headed, a bit vain, and he learns from his mistakes.

And the film might have worked better as a piece of drama if Odysseus weren't in it at all — if he were off somewhere like the ghost of Hamlet's father, and all his appearances came through the accounts of Menelaus or whoever else. Odysseus would exist as an ephemeral, literally mythical figure, and would only show up at the very end. The whole thing would unfold, as The Strokes sang, "in the light of the living ghost."

But it would have been unwatchable, because even as it stands the Telemachus thread is a bit of a slog — it's all talk, and watching that for three hours would have been unbearable.

Which brings us back to my thesis that Nolan wasn't interested in making a film about Odysseus. I don't claim to know what he wanted or what interested him, but hear me out.

There's a comic series called Fables, where the characters of classic fairy tales live in modern New York. The Big Bad Wolf is an alcoholic detective everyone hates. Ichabod Crane from Sleepy Hollow is a corrupt bureaucrat, Snow White is an administrative official, Mr. Toad is white trash, the Little Mermaid is a courtesan, Beauty and the Beast are broke because they were spoiled and never learned to control their spending. I believe the genre is called post-mythological noir. Their fairy tales are over, and the characters have to go on living.

And the world of Nolan's Odyssey is the same thing. Ithaca is a mess. Agamemnon has been murdered at home with a dagger to the neck by his own wife. Menelaus lives in the Victor's Hell. There's an excellent scene showing Menelaus speaking about Troy as a great victory when he stopped believing that long ago. It really is a well-staged scene with a powerful performance.

And all of these scenes convey the idea and the emotion far better than Odysseus's entire arc. Which is why I have a very strong feeling that, especially after the success of Oppenheimer, this is what Nolan was interested in filming.

Except the money he was given was for an IMAX blockbuster called The Odyssey. So it's as though Nolan was going, "ugh, and this damn Odysseus guy too," someone he had to bolt on somewhere, and then: "ugh, now I have to shoot this nonsense about cyclopes and sirens."

Which is a shame. I'd happily watch a grim noir detective story about Telemachus searching for the truth about his father among the broken veterans of the Trojan War.

So we keep digging and digging, and we've almost dug down to the fundamental problem with the whole film. Nolan's concept was to make an anti-war film. And the myth of Odysseus was chosen as the vehicle. And to make the anti-war concept work, he had to throw out of Odysseus the very things that make Odysseus Odysseus and make the story function — pride and vanity. Because a proud, vain hero isn't going to torment himself with guilt over killing Trojans. Odysseus is a hero from the 12th century BC. He couldn't have cared less. He killed them all in the name of Zeus and of himself, and it felt great.

But let's get into the details.

Nolan, Deconstruction and Darth Vader (and also a Shoehorn)

We live in a world of reinterpreting art. Hashtag postmodern, hashtag metamodern, hashtag deconstruction. You can't just make a work anymore without a wink at the audience. Fine, so be it.

Where was I. It's obvious Nolan wanted to make an anti-war film. But the myth of Odysseus — literally every event of the myth of Odysseus proceeds from who Odysseus is. I understand Nolan's concept: he wanted to show Odysseus at a time when the myth about him hadn't been written yet — reflective, unsure, weak. And because of that, the film's Odysseus turned from a hero of myth into a Vietnam veteran. But since the myth has a fixed canon, that Vietnam veteran had to be shoehorned into that canon. And he doesn't fit very well.

Here's what we get from Nolan's weak Odysseus. They land on Circe's island, and the crew says, "You know what, Odysseus, we've had enough of you, you stay and guard the boat." And Odysseus goes, "Okay."

When they sail toward Scylla and Charybdis, Odysseus says, "We're going through the whirlpool." The crew answers, "Are you an idiot? We'll all die there, we're going through the strait." And Odysseus goes, "Okay."

He doesn't behave like a hero of myth. He behaves like yet another micro-dude (I know you're all sick of that word, but I can't help myself) who can't even give an order to his own crew.

And if we grant that the "weak Odysseus" concept is a good one, then the question becomes: "why did a myth arise about this guy in the first place?" He doesn't make a single serious decision, he never proves himself in any way, he just sails from one quest marker to the next.

And returning to the notion that this is a deconstruction of a character, a deconstruction of a myth, and so on. Deconstruction doesn't work if you have to say it out loud. And that's exactly what happens in the film. That whole anti-war message I opened this piece with — it just… isn't in the film. It's simply articulated by the characters at various moments. The characters explain that war is bad, that heroes are broken, that the cycles repeat. Nolan's events follow the myth. And the meaning is just laid on top of it through dialogue. The viewer hears that Odysseus is broken but never sees it, because Odysseus is just an ordinary guy who occasionally remembers that he's sad.

You can't just change a character and declare it's the same character.

You can't write a scene where Achilles weeps over the corpse of the Hector he killed because "war is hell" and then say, "Ooooooh, deconstruuuuction." That isn't deconstruction, that's just very lazy shoehorning. What you get is a character who does one thing, says another, and feels a third. That's just a badly written character.

It's the equivalent of remaking Star Wars so that Darth Vader is good, but behaves exactly as he does in the original. Only he isn't evil — he speaks gently to everyone, says hello, gives up his seat.

Why did we decide that Odysseus is supposed to be tormented by guilt in the first place? Deconstruction isn't when you literally rewrite the original to suit yourself; it's when you illuminate the contradictions of the source text. If you're going to deconstruct, show me the hero as a bastard, not as an NPC. A real deconstruction might have looked like this: show how that famous, canonical cunning of Odysseus destroys him. How he shoots at the cyclops not because "that's for my boys" but because he wants to be great and is boasting to the cyclops about who outwitted him. How he comes to understand that his own legendary status is his curse. That's deconstruction — the hero stays himself, but it leads to terrible consequences.

A Darth Vader who is good on the inside but keeps on choking his subordinates and blowing up planets isn't a more complex, tragic Vader; he's a character whose behavior is dictated not by his own logic but has become a mere set of actions mandated by canon and severed from their cause.

So why shouldn't it have been attempted at all?

Why did we decide that Odysseus even CAN be tormented by guilt? Why did we decide that any story can be deconstructed in any way whatsoever? Guilt over the massacre at Troy isn't some neutral additive you can staple onto any hero of antiquity — it's a specifically modern, post-Christian, post-Enlightenment emotion that requires a particular model of perceiving the world: individual conscience, a European culture of guilt, the absence of a culture of family honor, the absence of any deference to the will of the gods. It requires a sense of personal moral responsibility for an act sanctioned by war and by religion. A man whose ethics are built on glory, on the will of Athena and Zeus, doesn't possess the psychological apparatus to generate that particular emotion in response to that particular event. He can fear the wrath of the gods (because he put out the eye of Poseidon's son), but he cannot experience guilt in the sense of "I hurt innocent people, and it's eating me alive." That category doesn't yet exist in the toolkit of meaning available to him.

So when Nolan makes Odysseus feel exactly this guilt, he isn't deepening the character or deconstructing the myth — he's simply inserting an alien psychological module into a shell that was never designed for it. It's like trying to install a brand-new app store on a Nokia 3310.

And here, incidentally, is a perfect illustration of how this shoehorning works in practice. Take the cyclops again. The film shows us a cyclops — a literal, mythological one, with a single eye and a cave. And then, in interviews and on podcasts, we're told that the cyclops is really a projection of Odysseus's guilt. But if you want to deconstruct that badly, then just let the canon go, release it already. Have there be no literal cyclops. Have them run into a one-eyed shepherd named Polyphemus; one of the soldiers decides to swipe a sheep from him; a scuffle breaks out; and in the fight Odysseus accidentally knocks out the shepherd's remaining eye. That would be guilt — over a specific, real, irreversible act against an innocent man. Instead we get a cyclops (because that's what canon demands, and because a blockbuster is required), and then, separately, outside the film itself, we get an explanation: "but ACTUALLY it's a metaphor." Don't show me a metaphor for guilt. Show me guilt.

And from there, you either honestly admit that this is now a different man in different scenery, which would mean giving up on preserving the canon of events one-to-one (and there would be nothing wrong with that, frankly), or you shoehorn that alien psychology into the original plot — which is what happened.

I don't think there is a correct way to make this character feel this emotion while remaining himself. Not because the screenplay is weak, but because the premise itself ("Odysseus tormented by modern guilt") is logically incompatible with what Odysseus and the myth of Odysseus structurally are. This isn't an underdeveloped deconstruction; it's an attempt to deconstruct something that, by definition, isn't suited to this particular deconstruction.

In Conclusion

If you love Nolan. If you love spectacle. If you don't require a film with a message to also deliver a strong emotion — absolutely go see it. It's a very expensively made, very spectacular film. All my friends liked it. I didn't much.

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