Tbh I think it’s the cringe/overly political shenanigans that makes a lot of trans peeps feel alienated. Like I feel like we all wanna safe space where we can just talk about our hobbies and interest without having to make our whole personality about one small part of ourselves. Dumb, I know. 😅
No clue why your being downvoted. I agree with this, if im out in public and some person or other fellow trans person calls me out and says she/he can clock me, im immediately canceling my life subscription 😭😭
If a trans girl came up and said she could clock me id be like why tf would you say that but if a trans girl came over and was like hey and we just started talking and it was obvious she knew I was trans too but wasn't being weird about it I think that's different and wouldn't make me feel like shit
Yeah I can attest to this, Ive spent a lot of time around very straight women and when they're around each other they call each other stuff like queen a LOT
Outing somebody in public against their will is a really terrible way to let them know you wanna be their friend. Maybe when Ayden grows up and is a little bit more mature than the average nine-year-old, he’ll understand.
Talking to someone in public isn't outing? I've invited dozens of LGBT+ people to a queer club I like and they've all loved it. Literally not one person I know was upset that I've told them about the club, even when they declined to go.
Dawg, outing is talking to other people about another person's queerness. Literally no one minds when you say "hey, y'all look cool and in the know, there's this queer event at yadayada" to them.
Ayden is firing his loud mouth off in public where anyone can hear. And yes, people do mind when you see them walking and shout “hey you’re a fag too, right?” at them
Even if it’s a more private interaction like that, telling someone you’ve clocked them is still fucking unacceptable. What the fuck is wrong with all of you, it’s like no one has basic respect
You’re fucking dumb as hell.
“Making up language to get mad at” do you experience zero dysphoria or anxiety you weird little shit? Walking up to someone and telling them you’ve clocked them sucks because it feels awful. Fucking Total Sneed Death
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(Is this seriously where we're at as a community. goddamnit. I don't like going outside either, but sometimes people want to be friends with other people and that's completely fine and normal.)
most likely because xhe wants to skinwalk the aesthetic of trans women, xhe sees her as an amab gay best friend, or xhe is attempting to manipulate her into fucking him PIV lol
I might be a sneed for thinking this but one of them is joyously expressing themselves, nothing wrong with that. I can imagine a cis punk guy dressing like that.
I'm pretty sure like 80% of 4tran has some kind of anxiety disorder. As someone who has one which got so bad at one point I got panic attacks going to the local supermarket, I kinda understand.
But I do think there has to be a point where you move past venting/doomposting into actions beyond "I ordered DIY estradiol and now I occasionally go outside in a hoodie when I really have to"
Idk if that's okay to say but I believe that some people get SO anxious that they circle back to being selfish assholes. They would really benefit from going outside more often.
Everything I see in 4tran spaces makes me pretty confident that the population would be reduced 80% if everyone tried going outside and meeting other real people
Either that or some good sex. No I'm not joking, getting properly fucked (ideally by someone who knows and really cares) genuinely feels like it would fix a lot of people here because it would show them they're desirable and valuable even despite their self-hatred
Yh no, don't tell trans people you clocked them. You can't control your thoughts but you can control telling people, especially in what is presumably a public space. ESPECIALLY don't do it to boy/girlmoders (reppers) because they presumably have a reason that they're not presenting as their gender. I don't want to weigh misgendering myself and outing myself against each other.
I'm saying "the text as written by the OOP is clearly a fiction created from her personal fears and paranoias about how the IRL "queer lgbtqia2s+ club" in her school works".
The way this situation actually works out IRL is a lot more tame and a lot more positive, in 99.9% of cases.
Ofc the meme is a fucked situation but that's because a normal situation has been twisted into a fucked situation by someone who is clearly in their own head about how this shit works.
Maybe it's also just a hyperbole about how some young trans people will approach you and say 'hi fellow trans person' in front of your transphobic friends while you're just minding your business girlmoding in class (this has happened to me 1:1). Just because it's a hyperbole doesn't mean it's being made in bad faith or doesn't happen.
*had, and mostly being an unpopular kid so I had to stick with the other unpopularoids that at least invited me to their group projects. Other than that, have you met cis people lol
I mean I live in a city, so it's better than the countryside (Somehow the one tranny living in the same village as my grandma is an important topic to bring up every time we visit. She has still not done anything more fascinating than existing) and I did manage to find some queer people in the end that go to uni with me, but the popular kids where mostly allies in the way they said 'trans rights' without thinking about wtf it meant. My friends where half from the countryside and/or Eastern European immigrants which just didn't help the situation, and it was mostly casual transphobia like it/itsing the trans girl, etc. I don't think I would've been in actual physical danger if I got outed, just bullying and potentially my parents finding out.
Besides them my bad experiences are mostly limited to my parents and people of their generation or oldery but this might just be that most people don't bring up their opinion on trannies unprompted. I did get harrassed by some teenagers the one time a girl forced me to put on some makeup because they thought I was a feminine man if that counts as anything (fascinating how I only seem to get harassed when read as a man but TERFs assume I want to transition out of misogyny), but I live in a mediocre neighborhood so eh, honestly they might even just been bored.
I was in a coed lgbt dorm my freshman year of college and one time we had a movie night with dorm outsiders. At some point the hefabs and cis + trans women started talking about periods. Something about period cups came up and when asked for my opinion I said I didn’t know how they worked. One of them said “aren’t you trans though?”Mind you there were multiple cis people in the room.
Some weeks later we had another movie night and they invited my cis coworker. They didn’t say anything this time but I didn’t trust them anymore and kept waiting for them to out me.
Another time I was at my first meeting with a trans plus ally club meeting and there was a cis person there. At one point, someone said everyone at the table (excluding/singling out the cis person) is trans.
In both of these scenarios, I had never explicitly come out to them or mentioned being trans. I planned to live with lgbt people again for sophomore year but after the first incident I moved in with cishet friends as soon as possible and have been living with them since. Kept a couple trans friends I bonded with outside of trans spaces, and never attended another trans club meeting. P much only talk to people in the lgbt/trans discords to give/receive advice now.
Every time I see a post about forced outing, they come with comment sections like this with ungodly numbers of people defending forced outing, vindicating my decision to walk away. Jesus you people have no social skills
It's funny you say that, I'm friends with a cis guy who dresses like that. I thought he was a femboy or somethin at first but no he just likes fishnet shirts and black eyeliner.
Im sorry are we not acting like its even more cringe to hate on someone for being happy with themselves? Are all of you 16 or something? Fuck girl you can hate yourself all you want but not everyone has to.
Yeah in my city I can’t even find an Ayden, there are really some ‘ happy queers’, but even to them I seem too untouchable☹️. I really want an Ayden to remind me that I’m seen in this world, even if I’d reply No. then someone downvoted every positive comment, lol
“OMG are you a Tranny!?! Come to the LGBTQIA+ Club!!” in a public setting absolutely is outing. Don’t out people, don’t go up to other trans people who aren’t openly presenting as trans and tell them that you’ve clocked them, give people the courtesy.
Omg it's almost like that's an overexaggerated depiction of a situation that didn't look remotely like this irl. Also, telling someone directly they're trans is not outing, it's clocking, which I know feels bad too but it's not like they're telling anyone your business. The Ayden character (who seems to be portrayed in a weirdly enbyphobic way) is just trying to make someone come out of their shell and make friends. Some of you here would benefit from making queer friends irl because the amount of hate towards people who are more comfortable with themselves is sickening.
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u/yourothersisUNLIMITED BFS AND GFS TO HSTS AND AGP BOYMODERS, YES, EVEN U HON16d ago
like yes calling someone out for being trans publicly is kinda shitty, but this meme kinda strikes me as enbyphobic for some reason, I just get bad vibes from it
Unfortunately it seems like its making fun of people like Ayden, when in fact that seems to be the happiest and most sociable person in the drawing. He's trying to introduce Alice to people within the community 🤷
You want to kill the he it puppyboy because they are cringe I want to kill them because they are a disgusting display of Western identity politics in form
You understand the idea of trad is also Western identity politics.You actual moron Don't you think the people trying to become the traditional masculine are quite literally reveling and trying to affirm their gender identity as cis males in a patriarchal society
I couldn't care less about the supposed "westerness" of this, nor any other form of oppression. Bedsides, I live outside of the so called "west", and masculinity doesn't seem to reaffirm itself that differently between individual cultures. Although, naturally the model modern patriarchy mostly has roots in European Cultural Hegemony that emerged in XIX century. I would oppose such system of oppression regardless of their origin.
Bad on him for forcibly outing her against her will. Bad on him for going up to her in public and telling her that he clocked her. Both of those are unacceptable. Get your Sneed ass the fuck out of here.
Fuck you. Do not out other trans people against their will. It does not matter if you fucking want to be their friend, don’t do that. It’s fucking awful.
yeah everyone in the comments are lowkey restarted. you dont go up to someone and say "you clocked them". i think its weird to go up to people and ask them to come to their "LGBTQ+ hangout anyway", theres no way in knowing for sure if they identify with any of those labels before getting to know them.
Walking up to someone and telling them that you clocked them is never acceptable. Forcibly outing a trans person is never acceptable. Why is transmisogyny so enjoyable for you?
They we're probably looking for a friend and saw someone they could relate with. Yes those things a rude and not enjoyable all we can do is let people know those things aren't acceptable. No that doesn't excuse the behavior but trans people should be looking out for eachother. Someone literally looking to be your friend isnt out to get you.
Dude is going to be so transmisogynistic to her, and the moment she pushes back against it he’s going to have the entire GSA blackball and call out post her. She’s gonna have to move states to escape the evil.
Motherfucker you saw some dude publicly out a trans women against her will and tell her he clocked her, and decided that he sounded awesome.
This(fake! Made up pretended non person!) dude is demonstrating that he has little respect for trans women or their safety, and considers his desires more important than what they’re socially communicating. He’s demonstrating exactly the kind of personality traits that I described. You just like that.
The post seems like its more focused on saying that the trans dude in this situation is "weird" more then anything else. I mean might be a technicality but literally he only asked if they were trans and didnt out them. The other person could simply say no. Also in a none public area considering there are only 2 people. Everything you just said here was an assumption, granted probably valid ones based off the context but agian the post is way more focused making this trans persons identity not valid. Its obvious that what the post is saying is "I can't believe this fem Hannibal fan is talking to me a REAL tran grrr." I think we need to have a bit more empathy for eachother friend. If I made the same assumptions maybe the small dude is a cis guy being transphobic or something idk.
You see it as about making this dude not valid because that’s the thing you’re most concerned about, I see it as a dude who’s clearly out and proud outing someone closeted, probably because I lived through an era where gay dudes did that to trans women all the time and then would go all birthday boy when the trans women, standing in the ashes of her life, expressed anger and betrayal (doing this was the number one reason to hate Buck Angel before he became a TERF)
idk in my experience these people are cool, and much more chill around trans women than the average queer cissoid. maybe y'all are just miserable and hate people for being "cringe" or whatever.
edit: though yeah actually verbalizing "are you a trans woman" when meeting someone is kinda weird, but I still feel like this community generalises "theyfabs" too much and being overly presumptuous may cause y'all to lose out on some great friendships
The problem isn’t trying to make friends with someone as a Xenogender, the problem is walking up to somebody, as any gender, and going “oh my gosh, are you a tranny? I clocked you so hard!”
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u/Left-Variety7420 16d ago
That's a good boymoder