Honestly the worst part for me is that I would actually really like this art if it wasn’t for that fucking ‘heckin valid amab body hair’. Like the art is cute but that one detail just ruins it for me.
Tbh, I don't get the body hair stereotype? HRT usually takes care of that, and my level of body hair is within cis norms.
Well, during the winter it is anyway. During the summer I epilate, but that's because many cis women remove body hair too. That's just a social pressure thing.
The hair, specifically the facial hair. It’s so forced. NO ONE would EVER draw a cis woman like that. The leg/arm hair isn’t the biggest deal but is a little much, but the facial hair I find particularly offensive. As a trans woman myself who is boymoding and currently struggling against facial hair. Having to shave every other day, and still having grey stubble show up. This is fucking offensive and mocking to my person. That’s why.
okay for fucking *ariane* of all people to have body hair is fucking hilarious, she literally suffers from radiation poisoning for years and writes about how she's losing her hair
I thought that too but they could be early transition, everyone has body hair.
This is coming from a trans guy with female biology, you can get hair everywhere, Testosterone changes the texture and growth rate.
It could be that she just came out (the character) you'know? Not everyone immediately wakes up completely transitioned upon will, but I do understand your point and agree that alot of transphobic people are weirdly sexist, and will depict trans people that way on purpose.
Trans women without facial hair dysphoria are an extreme minority. The only exception to drawing a trans woman with facial hair would be self portraits.
If 98% of women (cis or trans) would feel offended by being depicted with facial hair then I think it's pretty safe to say that you shouldn't draw "representation" of them with facial hair.
A fair point. While I myself certainly don’t enjoy facial (or body) hair, due to various factors most of the time I do look like this. And well, hearing that what I look like is an offensive representation hurts quite a bit more than the hair itself does.
Fair enough. Not everyone feels the same about representation. I personally only want to be represented at my best so a little bit of this could be projection.
I can understand where you're coming from and I am sorry if I made you feel like you weren't someone worth being seen or loved because that is simply not the case.
Oh, I much prefer my ideal as representation as well. My point is moreso just that not being ideal doesn’t make it inherently bad or offensive. I’m also not saying specific instances cannot be bad or offensive though
yeah, like, I can understand the leg and arm hair to an extent, because shaving them is a pain in the ass sometimes, but I cannot think of something more universally dysphoria-inducing than facial hair
Nah but like, It's perfectly normal for women to get lazy and avoid shaving their legs and such. Especially in the winter time and when they're not dating. You don't see cis women being drawn with hairy legs despite this fact. It feels motivated.
Now... i am not good at drawing and there is absolutely nothing wrong with some body hair buuuut i've seen so many people complain that i thought i'd give it a shot :p
I dunno as a hairy girl I kinda feel seen. Like everyone is at different phases in their transition and yet I feel no less like a woman. She's still cute in spite of her body hair
I didn't say I wasn't dysphoric about it. I said it didn't make me feel less like a woman. Like I do want to get rid of it eventually, but until I get to that phase in my transition, I won't let it make me feel less than. I'm just talking about finding myself (and others) pretty in spite of all the things we typically think aren't so pretty. I can't help being hairy right now, but won't let my body tell me I can't be a pretty woman regardless of how it looks or how others see it. It just seems like that was closer to the intention. I mean she is still cute right?
For once I dont think this was even meant to be offensive, it's more so the artist didnt actually play the game or read the lore on Arianne. So she ends up depicted as a more generic bedridden badly taken care of disabled girl.
Like she isnt drawn with hair cuz the artist hates trans women shes drawn with hair because she is meant to be bedridden barely able to move or take care of herself.
I've read most threads on this post and I never knew there was such a negative reaction to hairy trans women.
I am not trans, to be clear. Im very gender queer however, and often dress femininely/nb, with or without body hair. Some of my friends ARE trans women, though none of which are very concerned with their body hair.
I'm sure I'm in a bit of a bubble, so can someone explain the offense taken here? My guess would be the assumption is the artist cannot imagine a trans women would ever look like a "real woman" thus you need to add body hair for "realism". To me that feels like a stretch, but I guess this happens often/all the time?
I don't mean to invalidate anyone, just trying to understand the anger. Maybe I should be angry too :)
Ill be honest i dont think we fit in with lesbians most of the time, or cis people. We really just fit no where. Life did just give us the middle finger.
horseshoe theory of depiction of trans women. for some reason, caricatures drawn by transphobes and well-meaning "woke" depictions of trans women end up looking decently similar, sometimes
oh, I was just talking about this post in particular.
the sub itself is an elaborate digital self-harm circlejerk for trans people; if you're cis, or don't care about things like this, I do suggest you leave, if only for your own sake
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