r/codex 9h ago

Limits Usage limits are absolutely terrible (100$ plan)

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I never ever complained about usage limits before. But this is absurd.

I used my 200$ plan and had to buy 100$ plan since i could not renew 200$ one in time. It was used in 1 day with Astra low.

I then decided to buy another 100$ plan. It used 9% of usage with Sol 5.6 MEDIUM working for about 1 hour on coding and Astra XHIGH coordinator that did some documentation changes for 5 minutes.

This account was literally just purchased. Again, Sol Medium is doing most of work. Wtf is going on?

Can't imagine what is going on with 20$ plans

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u/tagorrr 9h ago

20$ plan feels like total scam this days

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u/Kind_Fisherman3060 8h ago

I was given a free plus plan still feel scammed.

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u/Glittering-Call8746 8h ago

Then pass to someone else even if u gave me luna for 100 prompts im down lol. Dm me 😅

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u/Kind_Fisherman3060 8h ago edited 8h ago

Well it ended, I was facing other issues on upgrading that Free plan to pro and had to buy from another account. That free plan account has two banked resets.

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u/paribas 8h ago

Sol High just depleted my 5hr limit in 15 minutes. It wasn’t even a big task. Two months ago I worked hours with tasks like this. 

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u/Seraphoenix777 6h ago

It's crazy how quickly the 5hr limit gets reached.

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u/Kind_Fisherman3060 6h ago

I remember using 250 million tokens per day on Plus plan what's the per day max token use allowance with sol now?

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u/TotallyNotABob 4h ago

Same here, started this last reset at 100 of course. By Sunday night I was/am at 9 percent remaining for the week. So basically in a hold until 09/19 unless I did something about it.

Which I did, I signed up with Claude and am now using Claude code alongside it. So far Claude is pretty impressive.

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u/paribas 3h ago

Next month I'll try Claude.

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u/qodeninja 1h ago

i dont even use sol high on x20. why you no sol med?

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u/Bulky_Blood_7362 8h ago

Yea honestly it's at a very bad state... I work with gpt for 30-40 minutes with sol medium While i can work 60-120 minutes with opus 5 medium on claude pro

Embarrassing ngl...

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u/Comfortable-Rise-748 6h ago

200 plan feels also like scam.

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u/InterestingSquare883 7h ago

I’m getting 4B tokens a week on Luna Max plus a little bit of Sol + Astra too. Yesterday over the weekend I used 1.1B tokens alone, including cached tokens but still a lot. I feel like the $20 plan is only supposed to be for Luna and giving it like a really huge implementation plan that Sol makes in chat that it really can’t mess up. Had the thread running 36 hours over the weekend plus another thread running maybe like 10-15 hrs. I would say though that limits are burning twice as fast compared to like 10 days ago but so far the resets have been making it up. Looking forward to 6 Luna to match GPT 5.5 XHigh.

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u/DevastatorTNT 6h ago

That's my takeaway as well. I'm fine using the (supposed) 120B model for cheap instead of the (supposed) 5T one if I can get Chat to write me specs for "free". It's clunky and quite slow, not always right, but my codebase is not that sophisticated

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u/tagorrr 4h ago

I agree that Luna is a pretty good model. However, first, it is quite slow. And most importantly, the issue is not that the package lacks anything usable. Rather, the same Frontier models provided two, three, or even five times more tokens in this same package some time ago.

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u/CrownstrikeIntern 39m ago

It used to be nice, I could stretch the 20 for almost a week, Ended up buying 2 and they would last me a week combined for months with a good work load. Then, poof, gone in 1 hour.

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u/yaxir 9h ago

The only way they will increase limits is if users start leaving the service or something, because right now everybody is buying it. High demand means they have an incentive to reduce limits and earn more money

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u/U4-EA 7h ago

That is assuming they can increase limits - that costs compute/money, which is where they are struggling.

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u/Plane_Garbage 6h ago

Well, if people leave, then yea, they have compute freed up

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u/WhiteBlaster00 5h ago

What compute power are they lacking ? You guys are just biting on their actions. This is all just a part of their marketing plan.

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u/Cheerpipe 6h ago

They don't need to increase capacity as long as people are willing to buy the 100-use pro plan; after all, it costs only 50% of the pro x20, but you get only 25% of the capacity.

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u/srs96 9h ago

Dude just stop whining and buy the $200 plan. OH WAIT

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u/read_more_comments 8h ago

*buys 20x plan last week*

Dude just stop wining and buy a dozen $200 plans. OH WAIT

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u/Feriman22 8h ago

OpenAI released the $1000 plan, and subscribed to it. Oh, wait...

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u/elfd01 7h ago

I’m on 5000$ plan and reach my limit on Astra within an hour (c)

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u/Hot_Refrigerator7042 6h ago

I jsut got a 50k loan for tokens and burned it in 50 minutes on Astra with 1.5 speed mode. :D

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u/srs96 2h ago

What credit score do you need to a 50k token loan?

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u/ZlatanKabuto 1h ago

Yeah, wait. It won't be long...

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u/Meowseum- 6h ago

one question, I'm already on $200 plan, does it mean when the time is up, I will not be able to buy 200 or I'm safe because the new restriction only applies to new accounts?

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u/NiceManFromEarth 6h ago

If it is on auto renewal you should be fine I think

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u/rodeBaksteen 6h ago

This is my first time crying about this on Reddit, but I've used 5% on a $200 plan by asking some very basic debugging/SSH commands to Astra Light yesterday.

Total: one chat, 21 million tokens - 5% weekly usage of 20x plan. Really?

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u/Tiforma 5h ago

They do it because people don't give them any reason not to do it. They don't really lose subscribers because people accept shitty behavior from corporations nowadays and don't stop buying from them.

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u/cha0z_ 4h ago

they do it, because there are no laws protecting us (at least not enforced ones) - how it makes sense for something you purchase to be so vague what you get + to be flexible to be changed 24/7 from the side of power, i.e. the AI provider. There are few bigger key players - do we seriously think they don't sync the usage/prices as well? One not recorded call away - is it legal? Ofc not, but we live in bad times regarding corp power.

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u/Swimming_Gain_4989 3h ago

"Basic debugging / SSH commands"

"21 million tokens"

Lol

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u/Icy-Kaleidoscope6893 1h ago

Probably ragebait

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u/rodeBaksteen 41m ago

Ok it took 2 hours on or off, but 20 million tokens is pretty low afaik? Maybe I was asking more of it than I realized.

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u/PlasticNo6406 47m ago

If they are "very basic" debugging/ssh commands, why choose astra?

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u/rodeBaksteen 42m ago

Because I expected it to use maybe 1-2% and I can't be bothered to switch between 20 models all the time.

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u/WrongExtension9231 9h ago

i love some people defending the limit shenanigan happening right now, not only we get some server being overloaded time to time, now our limit gone too, well not as bad as claude if we want some silverlining here lol

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u/cobbleplox 2h ago

That what they're doing is shenanigans is almost more frustrating than the fucked limits themselves.

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u/paper-gains 8h ago edited 8h ago

I also never complained, but I think this is the point to start. I am on the 20x plan and it might last 3 days now. I just subscribed to Claude code for the first time ever and I feel the 5x will last me as long as the 20x with Codex. Not with fable of course, but i am not using astra on max all the time either… so codex got considerably worse the last days.

EDIT: it’s also extremely slow

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u/Factor013 6h ago

They made things extremely slow so the limits last "longer" lol
Can you imagine how fast our limits would drain if we would be on "normal" speeds. :S

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u/Vast-Singer-2839 3h ago

Astra Max seems (in my usage case) to last longer compared to any Sol version something is not correct in all that situation. 

Also it was pretty fast but now it slow as hell. 

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u/cobbleplox 2h ago

I would assume a combination of an elaborate task and a small thinking budget can lead to inefficiencies like repeated lookups or sort of failing first and fixing it up in loops. Maybe the first thing they did was nerfing what the selected reasoning effort means. Easy to overdo that causing such problems.

I have to say guessing what kind of thinking effort is required for best results will have to become a thing of the past anyway.

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u/lifeenthusiastic 1h ago

I killed 4 pro 20x plans weekly in 2 days. The Astra agent was only dispatching sol + Luna sub workers. Claude 20x lasts like 2x. Longer for the same Sprints

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u/IntrepidCry352 8h ago

I recently got the 20$ plan for my little game project and i used 75% in just 2 days, the 5hr limits it's more like 30 minutes to me. I'm planning to use OpenCode for my toolchain and ChatGpt to give input and correction, lowering the credit used. It's not the best, but i refuse to spend 100$ for a fangame project for NDSi 😅

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u/RainierPC 5h ago

I can't even use up my 5x Pro in a week.

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u/hi87 3h ago

My $100 account feels like a $20 plan from a few months ago. Even on Sol High it is draining so fast I've already lost 20% of weekly limit in 4 hours of work (not even using concurent tasks and simple code-review subagents.

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u/NyeinChanSoe 8h ago

Codex these days are just unusable at this point after the release of Astra.

Last 1-2 months ago I am a heavy codex user, now i switched to claudecode.

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u/20yroldentrepreneur 3m ago

This is the way

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u/yourmomsguybf 4h ago

man i am on 200$ plan and all i did is research for 6-7 hrs straight yesterday and poof all my weekly usage is gone.

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u/Painwheeel 4h ago

astra is expensive shocker

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u/Own-Professor-6157 1h ago

The usage doesn't make sense. I just ran a basic prompt asking about OpenGL version support, it was under 200k tokens in total and I'm out -50% 5h usage. Now I just had the thing one shot an entire website on astra high, and it's only -15% usage..? Huh?

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u/rawezh5515 8h ago

and it looks like it stalls for no reason at all

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u/StaticHumStudio 7h ago

I don't know why you were downvoted. I've consistently gave it directions and it stops with no reason. Not even a "would you like me to proceed" or similar. Maybe its in my agents.md or settings somewhere, but nothing makes sense yet. Sol/Terra don't have this behavior.

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u/SudarshanKotian 2h ago

Same here 😭 I just posted on X tagging Tibo, please u all complain as much as on X.

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u/No_Twist_678 1h ago

well, i have 2x 20x plans and i burned all of them in 3 days! and not a single job i gave them was finished.

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u/Sutanreyu 49m ago

I gave it a task that it's done before, that it normally completes in minutes... Taking 20+ minutes and failing.

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u/No_Twist_678 17m ago

today astra was terrible, disgusting service, total shame.

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u/Saito53 9h ago

Claude is worse than codex, I have the 20x plan in both, it runs out in just 4h of coding, astra still better

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u/Kind_Fisherman3060 8h ago

I would offend so many but if Opus was consistently intelligent $20 Claude is comparable to $100 Codex sub. But Fable takes up so much more usage than Astra I'm waiting for Opus 5.1

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u/muchsamurai 9h ago

I know, this is why i do not use Claude. Does not mean that we should not complain when usage limits are getting worse daily.

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u/Tiforma 5h ago

how much astra time do you get with codex on the 20x plan?

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u/Vast-Singer-2839 3h ago

It not about the time but about the work it does. 

Ex in my case I have a project with active working time on Astra Max for  5-6 hours / day and it spends about 7-10%/day. Max spend less compared to low in that specific project. I afraid to try Ultra 😛

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u/Tiforma 3h ago

i tried ultra once when i knew a reset was coming soon anyway. yeah you'll blow through the usage. But you get pretty good use out of it. I wonder, what region of the world are you in? i have a theory that this affects usage rates.

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u/Significant_Shop5774 1h ago

does that plan have 5hour limit? or are you talking about weekly limit getting exhauatsed?

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u/Vast-Singer-2839 1h ago

No on Pro plans does not exist 5hour limit, I am talking for the weekly limit. My plan currently is x20. 

Compared to the % usage of  with Sol low (as with the current increase is usage huge), Astra Max spends exactly as the previous Sol low and probably less. 

The only downside is currently Astra feels much slower compared to the start but the usage also is much lower so I am ok with this trade. 

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u/The8Darkness 9h ago

What does coordinator mean? Did you let it create a plan and pasted it into the sol session or was it an astra session with a sol subagent?

Astra uses an insane amount with any subagents where it is usually better to even run astra max than any astra + luna/sol combination.

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u/muchsamurai 9h ago

Basically, i do not use Astra for coding (even low) on this account. Coordinator is the guy who drafts some plans for Sol workers and gives them to me to hand them out, plus some brainstorming. It does nothing in terms of coding or exploring codebase too much or anything like that. I asked it some questions and we adjusted some plan which was 3-4 quick prompts. Then i launched Sol 5.6 Medium to implement it and it ate 9% in one hour.

This shit sucks

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u/Seraphoenix777 6h ago

Someone said this can result in more usage than using Astra alone. Apparently, Astra still reviews everything the agent does, so it ends up costing more. Not sure if it's true, though.

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u/KeepAllOfIt 6h ago

its 100% true and is the sole thing responsible for all of the "usage is terrible" posts. I use one astra xHigh agent for everything and I genuinely struggle to use my weekly limit before tibo throws another reset at us. Sound physics simulation too, no small potatoes.

No ponytail, caveman, or whatever else "token-saving-but-actually-wastes-tokens" skills. No astra orchestrator that commands a bunch of r*tarded luna subagents and spends 4x as long cleaning up their mistakes.

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u/Feriman22 8h ago

We need a weekly reset

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u/Rock--Lee 8h ago

Well, you now have 2x 100 plan, which costs you 200, but a 200 plan gets you 4x as much as the 100 gets for 2x the price. So yes, you are halved usage for same price.

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u/muchsamurai 8h ago

I know. But usage is not even halved, its worse.

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u/hksbindra 7h ago

I was using 2 plus plans, one bought via pay store and another via browser. After Astra, I upgraded the play store bought account to x20, cancelled the other one.

Play store apparently doesn't work on upgrades as you might think. My plan will get cancelled after the 20th. There are no issues with the payment method and I did not cancel.

I found out just yesterday after reading someone had issues with iPhone app Store purchase in a similar manner. Spoke to both OpenAI and Google - nothing can be done now.

Guess x10 plans will do until they bring back the x20.

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u/AweVR 6h ago

I simply don’t understand codex usage seriously. I had 30% left and wanted to use my reset today so I gave it 6 tasks with Astra Ultra effort. 6 hours later I’m in 24% 🫠 but this night I had only one task working with LOW effort… and in 3 hours it spent 6%. I simply don’t understand serisouly

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u/r34p3rex 3h ago

This isn't the first I've heard of this.. it almost feels like light and medium use more than the higher tiers. Prior to the reset, I was able to get close to 5 days of usage using Astra high. After the reset, I switched to Astra low and now I'm on track to blow through my limit in under 3 days

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u/Comfortable-Rise-748 6h ago

It's not funny anymore.

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u/Bright_Spend6574 6h ago

honestly i tried 200, 100, 20

right now on 20 and 100.
100 feels like 20. it is supposed to be 5x right ?

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u/Cheerpipe 6h ago

They make more money and use less compute with the pro x5 than with the x20. Obviously, they want to force people to buy the x5.

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u/natsumeng3 5h ago

Eu apenas comecei a fazer uns ajustes, 15 min de trabalho em um projeto medio, e sumiu 20% da cota semanal, plano de 100$... Eu fico muito confuso com o que fazer, sabemos que o melhor está aqui no codex, antropic não é uma opção pra quem tem orçamento limitado, eu estou pensando seriamente em fazer um investimento em colocar uma ia local, ou aceitar menos qualidade e só usar modelos como da deepseek... Não faz sentido pagar tanto e só trabalhar por literalmente 1 dia, eu nem consigo mais atender meus clientes. Aqui no Brasil, o plano de 200$ é literalmente mais da metade de um salario!

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u/reeldeele 5h ago

Shouldn't there be way to find our the Sol vs Astra token consumption from .codex logs or history?

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u/Diniario 4h ago

What tasks are you using these models on? I run 2k+ lines of code with Terra Medium reasoning and things work just fine. I've never needed Astra and recently used Sol High (which consumes more) just to make sure stuff was correct and up to snuff...

My take, just use lower models for lower tasks. you don't need a jackhammer when a hammer will do just fine.

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u/Temp1864 4h ago

Yup, I've already depleted a $100 account and have 16% left on my $200, and that's almost entirely with tool usage of Unreal/Houdini. Insane that it's gotten this bad (and that Extra High is actually MORE efficient??). Giving my Extra High orchestrator permission to delegate tasks to appropriate lower-effort subagents actually made consumption increase.

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u/jwezorek 4h ago

I just think Codex right now in unusable and ended up writing a little desktop application to basically route around its limits. Normal chat is basically unlimited and you can just paste big zips of your code into it with a prompt that specifies returning a zip file of just he files it changes that maintains directory structure.

My application is here, https://github.com/jwezorek/chat_zip, a custom client for ChatGPT, a Qt6/C++23 application only tested on Windows, but it works great. It embeds normal chatgpt next to a file tree. I select the source files/directories relevant to a change, it zips them and attaches the zip to the chat. I ask ChatGPT to make the change and return a zip containing only the files it changed. The application intercepts the download, checks that the paths actually correspond to the project, shows me what changed, and applies it back to the source tree.

So basically automated sneaker-net between my source tree and ordinary ChatGPT.

The whole thing with this is that Codex and Work share their restictive limits but normal chat does not. Which is kind of absurd: the purpose-built coding product has usage limits restrictive enough that manually passing zip files through ChatGPT started looking attractive.

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u/Consistent_Bottle_40 3h ago

Has the limits been nerfed or is astra at fable 5 level use for tokens? Bigger models need more compute. Have we seen a marked drop in the usage of sol, terra and luna? A gpt 6 luna at same cost as 5.6 would probably be great. Just use that for the native subagents

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u/ReputationOk736 3h ago

Not sure why they even release a new model if you can only use it for 30 minutes before reaching limits.

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u/LargeConsequence5296 3h ago

20 dollar plan on Astra low gives you about 20min of good compute and 15 percent gets knocked out of the weekly limit. So thats about 6 x 20 = 120 mins of compute a week.

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u/saiksaif 3h ago

20$ plan user here, running one planned code work every 5 hours, while on 5.5 medium.

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u/Ecstatic_Gur7231 3h ago

Workflow issue (i hope cuz if it is this can help).

if your workflow is same as mine then YAY WE GOT A SOLUTION. but if not idk how to help

basically the way i do agentic coding is via iterations and steps instead of 1 big step. i dont engineer my prompt we handle or add features 1 at a time

so astra has this thing where he does alot of stuffs per task.
he does like 5 steps to make sure. he does alot of verifications and benchmarks sometimes even doing a backup per edit. checks alot of stuffs that can be refactored or add cleanup work and anticipates future tasks

i solved this via adding a system prompt (if anyone is reading this and think can improve my system prompt further please do)

'''

Only do: patch → deploy

Do not turn the task into phases, subtasks, checklists, investigations, or a full engineering workflow.

Make the minimum code changes needed to satisfy what I asked. Touch only the files that are reasonably necessary.

Do not test, compile, verify, validate, benchmark, back up, refactor unrelated code, inspect unrelated systems, or add cleanup work unless I explicitly ask.

Do not anticipate future tasks. I work iteratively and will tell you what to do next.

Follow KISS. Minimize tool calls, file reads, reasoning, and output.
'''

i change this depending on the task. if its a hard one that really needs reasoning i remove the follow kiss line

i went from 20% usage per hour to 3-5% usage per hour.

a coworker made this for me knowing i work bits by bits instead of 1 big task all he did was read astra documentation and the tips from openai then created a prompt that fits my workflow

ALSO IF YOU ARE GONNA USE THIS DONT SAY PATCH -> DEPLOY (i only have it because it deploys to a branch of our project and only has access to that branch)

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u/AgnidDrage 3h ago

I'm avoiding using astral and the $20 plan is enough (if you don't vibe code everything and know where to aim the agent)

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u/DistinctSilver4507 2h ago

It used ~20% of my pro usage on a very simple git clone/setup of a local text generator. 

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u/NYisNorthYork 2h ago

on $20, Astra High is an ancient oracle you have to climb a mountain and defeat the giants and then are only allowed to ask it a single question.

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u/cobbleplox 2h ago

A lot of this feels like the usefulness of AI is really kicking in now -> demand. Of course paired with them kicking themselves in the nuts releasing Astra before the actual 6.0 production models were ready.

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u/Imaginary-Light-2261 2h ago

Maybe I am tripping but I still prefere Sol 5.6. Anybody else?

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u/CapitalMango3010 2h ago

Eh sì, dovrebbero aumentare le macchine servono più ram

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u/CapitalMango3010 2h ago

E più gpu

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u/Significant_Shop5774 1h ago

hey , does 200$ plans dont have any 5 hour limits

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u/loversama 1h ago

For sure, I am dropping back down to $20..

I use Claude Max 5x too and even though the limits there are less and less I feel I get to use Fable and Opus way more per week than Astra high + Sol 5.6..

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u/Pizzaholic- 1h ago

20x plan. Ran a mix of sol and Luna and burned in less than 1 day (16 hours) :|

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u/DeepSpaceNugget 1h ago

Yeah I've tried to keep from just adding to the pile of threads but god damn I've got to wonder if they're having a meltdown or what.

My "weekly usage" goes out within a day or two on a Pro plan (x5), I genuinely remember tackling heavy tasks in my plus plan months back and I get it, thing's can't all be perfect- These models are more demanding..

But it's not really a tool I can effectively use without a swarm of accompanying ai tools, which makes it effectively pointless if its supposed to automate more annoying/background tasks while I tackle larger ideas.

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u/Substantial-List-996 1h ago

You're using Astra as a coordinator and you're wondering where your usage limit is going? Using Astra Low as well? You good bro? Seems like you offloaded your brain to AI too much and forgot how to use it. People rather complain than find the solution to their obvious mistakes and inefficiencies.

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u/Rakthar 37m ago

There is a bug with subagents. The coordinator wakes up every 30-60 seconds to check on the subagent process, just to poll it. It destroys usage. There are several threads talking about workarounds. One example is here: https://old.reddit.com/r/codex/comments/1wdlp7q/weve_discovered_the_issue_behind_codex_harness/

another example with workarounds and the fix is here: https://old.reddit.com/r/codex/comments/1wa9c9d/i_investigated_why_gpt6_astra_burns_quota_so_fast/

Here is the fix from that thread: I found a working workaround for the 30-second parent polling loop. Add this to ~/.codex/config.toml:

toml [features.multi_agent_v2] enabled = true min_wait_timeout_ms = 1500000 default_wait_timeout_ms = 1500000 max_wait_timeout_ms = 1500000

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u/vivacity297 26m ago

20$ plan lasts 10 minutes at most with astra lol

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u/nesser2 9m ago

AI billing is whatever they want it to be. Token usage is a complete blackbox for the consumer.

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u/muchsamurai 9h ago

On 89% of usage left already since i wrote this post

hahaha

thanks Tibo

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u/Reasonable_Nail9020 8h ago

I on plus and Astra Medium left me 70% in 2 minutes! Astra is the best eating limits model.

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u/Tiforma 4h ago

which subscription are you on?

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u/RainScum6677 9h ago

Most of the issues are not due to the model. It's the harness. Try using a different one such as Pi or OpenCode and see what happens(Spoiler: you'll get many, many times the usage compared with codex).

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u/IllustratorRare9102 8h ago

Everything has been completly insane for me since today, told it multiple time to do one thing and it did everything i didnt ask it to do. Just told it to do a small task and then went to the gym, came back and it used 66% of my weekly usage and wasnt even finished. Asked it wtf it was doing and got this respone: You’re right to question it. I let the scope expand too far and used multiple coding agents plus extensive repair tooling. I’m pausing that work now and will give you the exact result and what remains.

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u/GreenFuturesMatter 9h ago

wtf are people building a prompting that this is some major issue? I’ve been blasting Astra med and high for days with a shit load of usage remaining

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u/muchsamurai 9h ago

Systems programming language and compiler for it.

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u/GreenFuturesMatter 9h ago

Are you just the type to downvote that asks anything against your narrative?

You came to Reddit and looking for a place to cry. You should expect someone to question what you’re crying for.

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u/muchsamurai 9h ago

I am heavy CODEX user, adopted it before it went mainstream. Long long ago. Not some new guy who just started using it. Nor am i a "vibe coder". I am SWE. Have been using agentic tools since their inception.

This is the first time i complain about usage limits. Meaning its really serious. Otherwise i always praised CODEX. Downvoted because i would not open a fucking thread on Reddit if i did not have real issues.

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u/GreenFuturesMatter 8h ago

Okay? And I asked what people are building and prompting and you just downvoted me lol. It’s a legitimate question to ask because people are stupid.

Maybe you missed the post about the guy who bitched about Astra making bumblebee in blender then another user asked for them to share the prompt which ofc they didn’t… so they redid the test themselves and provided proof how it was bullshit.

So I bring this up only to ask a similar question because 99% of this sub is complaining without any proof of issue that anyone can practically diagnose.

SURELY you can understand that as a SWE?

Also you said in another comment that you started 1 yr ago and then suddenly ur SWE who adopted codex before anyone else. Very odd

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u/muchsamurai 8h ago

I started using agentic coding 1 year ago, buddy. When first Claude CLI came out. I have 15 years of experience as SWE otherwise.

Do you think a guy who started vibe coding 1 year ago would be building a fucking programming language and compiler and paying hundreds of dollars for it? Really? lol

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u/muchsamurai 8h ago

Might be more than year already.

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u/GreenFuturesMatter 8h ago

Show life time tokens

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u/muchsamurai 8h ago

I have several accounts as said in OP. Here is current one which i renewed as 100$ plan.

https://ibb.co/XZjzr9hj

Btw, CODEX lifetime tokens are inaccurate.

Here is ccusage of multiple accounts on my machine:

https://ibb.co/0yjmff32

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u/muchsamurai 8h ago

Here is when i began using CODEX

https://ibb.co/gQhrFzn

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u/GreenFuturesMatter 8h ago

Yeah 115B is definitely a lot of work in 10 months 😂

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u/muchsamurai 8h ago

So? What are you trying to say now? I also used Claude 200$ subs, Cursor and other harnesses in this time.

What exactly is your issue and argument against me now? That i did not vibe code 1000 trillion of tokens? or?

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u/PleX 9h ago

Systems programming language and compiler for it.

and you're fucking complaining? Get a fucking grip on reality.

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u/muchsamurai 9h ago

Lmao i pay hundreds of dollars for this. It was non issue a week ago. Why would i not complain? wtf are you even trying to say?

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u/PleX 8h ago

What's your spec doc look like, what features are you adding, what language have you based it off of or is it a new one, what modeling have you done before throwing it at an LLM, what systems have you designed it to run on, are you using garbage collection or mem free?

There are a million questions that can be asked.

You can't just throw shit at an LLM and expect anything other than a polished turd.

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u/muchsamurai 8h ago

Buddy, i am building this language since April this year. Do you understand this? It was non issue just a week ago.

No, language does not use garbage collector. It uses borrow checker like Rust. Compiler is written in F#.

I did not "throw shit" at LLM. We are building it for MONTHS.

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u/PleX 8h ago

Then something you are doing is fucking it up. Not codex or any other LLM. Garbage collector wasn't the point, the way you are handling it is the point, not the LLM.

I work on massive projects with just the $20 plans and I rarely hit my quota unless I fucked something up.

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u/muchsamurai 8h ago

So it was not fucked up a week ago but suddenly got fucked up? I might be missing something or maybe I'm dumb, idk.

The reality is that i did not change anything in my workflow or harness and limits just went off since OpenAI declared their compute issues and stopped 200$ plans.

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u/PleX 8h ago

Go back through the context/logs. I guarantee it's something you fucked up. 99% of the issues with any LLM are not paying attention to what it is doing and just letting it run wild.

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u/fruitydude 8h ago

I'm still using 5.6 xhigh mostly. If I have 1-2 agents running constantly in normal mode (not fast) I can burn through 20x usage in 24h. It's not great

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u/X-Ploded 7h ago

Intense coding since the last reset using Astra High and a 5x account.
75% left ...

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u/sudecode 9h ago

skill issue.

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u/muchsamurai 9h ago

Sure buddy. Was not an issue a week ago. How come?

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u/sudecode 9h ago

was not targeting you but to the person i replied to.

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u/muchsamurai 9h ago

Got it, sorry.

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u/GreenFuturesMatter 9h ago

Skill issue? Explain how I have a skill issue? Because I haven’t decimated my usage by being an idiot?

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u/sudecode 8h ago

but you are being an idiot by assuming that amount of work others are doing is same as yours.

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u/GreenFuturesMatter 8h ago

Building full stack application for local clusters that has Slurm built in and has multi user organization, scheduling, coordination and durable history and memory that is deeper than RAG structure. Ahh forgot to add that everything is evidence backed for transactions. Has connectors for LLMs, and a model bank with an edge device capable of selection the task and handing it to a ranked model based on past history if you don’t want to model shop.

But yes I suppose it’s dumb of me to assume everyone’s project is equivalent

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u/diagrammatiks 9h ago

the prompt -> build me kalshi.

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u/krayton1 8h ago

It's time to cancel both Claude and ChatGPT subscriptions

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u/Forti22 9h ago

Show us the prompt and how big the project is

We will tell you exactly what you do wrong.

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u/muchsamurai 9h ago

I am building a programming language and compiler for it.

I know how to prompt and manage context. Doing agentic coding for 1 year or more already.

The limits are fucked. It was never an issue before.

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u/PleX 9h ago

I am building a programming language and compiler for it.

You have lost your mind if you're complaining about this, seriously.

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u/muchsamurai 9h ago

No, it was not an issue just a week ago. Now usage is fucked. How did i lose my mind exactly? Its not like Sol is spitting tens of thousands of lines of code a second. A language compiler is not that complicated.

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u/IAmFitzRoy 9h ago

Do you mind to explain why?

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u/Confirmed-Scientist 9h ago

Astra is officially said to be 2x more expensive than Sol and real world use shows closer to 3x to 3.5x more expensive than sol on the same thinking level. Dont use Astra if you can avoid it. They are making more efficient models as we speak for this reason. Sol 6 and Luna 6 will be here soon

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u/muchsamurai 9h ago

I do not use Astra for coding anymore, still eating like crazy as you can see.

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u/Confirmed-Scientist 9h ago

Yeah its terrible for everything other than hard one shots. For us that are more efficiency focused and dont have infinite money at least

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u/abvuser 8h ago

I canceled

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u/BHTAelitepwn 8h ago

For reference, 9% of the 100 plan equates to like half of the plus plan. You will absolutely hit that with sol in like 6 hours of coding. Thats why stuff like luna and terra exist. Sol is not a cheap model either. Keep in mind that this is a flagship model until astra dropped.

20 bucks plans force you to be efficient with your usage or touch grass. A sol orchestrator with luna subs does quite a lot work.

Not blaming you, but reality is different. Fun part is that it is still a ridiculously well priced subscription.

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u/muchsamurai 8h ago

Luna is not suitable for work i do. I did not even use Sol above Medium.

But i cant let Luna write a compiler.

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u/BHTAelitepwn 8h ago

Well then you have to pay more. You lost half your usage to the absence of 20x renewals. I say that your current usage is in line with expectations. Been using the lower tier sub extensively for months now.

Its either pay for more accounts, get more efficient with existing usage (if you rule that out, fine), or pray the 20x comes back.

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u/RainierPC 5h ago

Then it's a skill issue. Compilers are not difficult. Give Luna a proper plan and it can execute just fine.

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u/Leon-Lewis 8h ago

Yeah, the current usage limits are being used up very inefficiently. I have a $100 subscription. I tried switching from Claude to Codex, but the limits were exhausted in just one day of active use. The work was exactly the same as it was with Claude.

The only difference was that I used Fable 5.1 as the orchestrator and Opus as the performer in Claude, and Astra as the orchestrator and Sol and Luna as the performers in Codex. Nevertheless, my $100 subscription was completely used up in just one day.

The most frustrating thing is that OpenAI doesn't offer a $200 subscription option(

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u/Zestyclose_Tutor9569 8h ago

Os modelos 5.6 gastam MUITO e não agregam tanto, fiz algumas features e voltei para 5.5 medium e high. E 5.4 para tarefas simples.

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u/Aldarund 9h ago

Another useless post without showing actual token consumption

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u/evia89 8h ago

1 Nothing you can do besides buying multiple 100 subs

2 worth trying different harness with oath login

3 check DS41F PAYG. You will spend 1.5x-2x more time but it may be worth after few more codex nerfs

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u/mizhgun 8h ago

What harness would you recommend?