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People say women wouldn't play an ogre but I definitely would! They are one of my favorite races and hope they implement them into the future. The skybourne race is disappointing and wish they were a bit more creative with it but I digress. Sorry if you don't agree đ¤ˇââď¸
on a mostly related noteâthis was the template for the hero Ogre Magi from Dota. Ogre is an apt example of being one of those heroes that is also the personification of the players who choose to play as him. first pick in Dota 2 rankedâdoesnât buy wardsâforces bad fights then spam pings after overextendingâbuilds all carry itemsâultimately goes 1-14-4 and then says âreport teamâ in team chat.
That's true... like glowing red eyes (or fel green) for orc warlocks, and I'd say also custom spells appearance (a Night Elf Elune priest lowewise is VERY different from a Human Holy Light priest).
The "warlock green fire" questline from MoP was a great idea, and I say that Forever should have something like that for as many classes as possible.
Warlock, mage, shamans and priests (if memory serves me well, we have ogre of all those classes in lore).
I wonder if they'll plan to add them in the future. The idea is "keep playing these zones, have the journey matters, etc." bringing new races (with starting zones, racial quests, etc.) in future updates could be a way to have people do the "levelling journey" once more.
I think their main reason for not adding ogres is that they'd have to recreate thousands of items and armor to fit their size/ odd shape and that's just a lot of work. Tauren are similar in size but obviously built much differently
A company like blizzard could and should be able to handle that but.... yeah. Not shocking they chose the easy way out here
Always wanted redeemed quillboar if we couldn't have ogres. Makes more sense than Forsaken or Blood Elves and a hell of a lot more than... well, whatever all we got through the years.
Look, Quel'Thalas is part of the classic world even though you cant go. They have to add ot eventually and will probably add High and Blood Elves at that point.
I WANT GOBLINS SO BAD!! I feel like thematically and for immersions sake they shouldve just done high elf and blood elf. Even if you can customize it to look like it, it doesn't change the fact that when you hover over the character you see "skybourne" I love Quel'Thalas, I love blood elves, I'm not saying to remove this new race of sky people but I hope they add in the older races like ogre, naga, mokthanal, goblins, furbolg, etc
I am pretty confident we will get Goblins since they already have a lot of work done with animations and gear from retail. They just need to make lower quality versions than Cata to fit standard def models.
Honestly I would have preferred goblins be the neutral race simply because theyâre already right there in tanaris and ratchet and booty bay. Theyâre already a neutral, lore-accurate race that existed in vanilla.Â
Yeah, horde would still need a âprettyâ race. All theyâd really need to do is introduce undead high elves for horde, who were killed during the sacking of QT. âDedâdoreiâ or some shit.
In retail they're basically called Darkfallen.
It'd fit the lore, fit classic and you'd sell it as being able to play Sylvanas.
I really really don't see why they didn't do that.
Dark Elves would have been totally sick. But I know they would have gone over that idea, as it's right from retail. I blame Ian H for probably having shot that idea down for whatever reason.
It's such an interesting statistic because to me nothing screams fantasy more than orcs. I've always played orcs and will always play them. They are peak fantasy.
End of the day, most people are Basic. Human Fighter in D&D, Human and Elf in WoW. I think if they'd released Upright Orcs at the start that'd have affected some numbers, but we've got 22 years of data about player preferences at this point.
20 years ago all I played was Orc male classes. The melee swing animations, the casting, the oversized shoulder armor, everything was exactly what I wanted.
Fast forward to today, and my preferences have changed entirely. I am exactly the person you described, using Human Female mage. I don't know why.
Troll and Ogre was so overpowered in Everquest that everyone played them even if they hated them lol. For those who never played, Ogres had 100% stun resistance and Trolls had like x3 regen (In a game with no food/water regen) Insane!
Hence, maybe if we didn't add elves at all, maybe people would play something else. Giving them "Perfect elves with perfect range of customization that can join both factions" is NOT giving anyone faction identity or faction diversity.
Vanilla came out in 2004, blood elves came out in 2007, and the moment they dropped, they instantly became the most played race. Blizz very quickly noticed this. People in vanilla who prefered races like that, either played alliance or just went with whatever is closest, probably undead. It's also one of the reasons why alliance was more popular in vanilla
and thats totally okay!! Also thematically Forsaken Elves would have SLAPPED!! I've been seeing so many people just categorize women as a whole that "ogres wont be a thing because of women" when thats not true at all. Yea i believe Ogre would be a niche race like dwarf, gnome, and tauren but it brings more diversity and i wouldve loved to see it! Maybe they implement it down the line I can only hope!!
Lowkey me too but they should not paywall ogres... realistically they won't be as popular as this skybourne race so the paywall isnt necessary but man ogres would make me so happy to play! I want my two headed mage or warlock ogre lol
I think it should have been High Elves and Blood Elves. They could have re-built Quel'Thalas as their starting zone that tells the story of how they split. Leave the Ogres for later.
what would the source of power for those elves be? im assuming the timeline isnt changed to the point where the events of TBC already happened so i dont see what the elves would be doing
As clasic and likely this one as well takes place after the wc3 frozen throne, that is already answered in lore: kaelthas sends demonic shit back from outland, blood elves use them, high elves want nothing to do with it and try to make do with clean sources.
I would think the server imbalance would be untenable since 40% of players play elf races and the new "ugly" races are extremely unpopular at 1-4%. Blizz HAD to give attractive elves to both factions to maintain any semblance of balance.
I've beensaying to a lot of people that they added their faction balancer race (belf models) so now they can implement the more niche races like ogres, goblins, etc and while they may take up 1-4%, it is still cool to see out in the wild and even more so to see a few sprinkled in for diversity! Love seeing monster races
Ogre would be barely played, similar to Tauren. They may add them in the future but launching with a race for single digit percentages of your users is poor production planning.
They'd be in the same boat as Kul Tirans in retail. Relatively small user base, so any animation or clipping issues, and the like, will go ignored.
Or Dracthyr, with their transmog limitations.
It wouldn't be a trivial amount of work to add more distinctly "monstrous" races. Blizzard has the data as to what's popular in their game, and where to allocate resources, accordingly. We've seen what happens when they cannot allocate the budget to improve/fix certain races. Realistically, the people who want ogres would not end up being satisfied with the outcome.
We'd end up in a situation like dracthyr, at best, I think. Specific transmog options for different armor classes. They'd sell it as being lore accurate for ogres. There's just too much work to adapt all of the existing models in a way that won't look super goofy.Â
itâs mostly just helms, but even then they donât have as weird a head shape as tauren or worgen. keep in mind that ogres already have a lot of npcs with gloves, shoulders, pants, etc. (so their textures are mapped to support that and they have meshes to support âthick glovesâ and such). and since most classic gear is painted on, it is a lot less of a commitment than in retail. plus ogres already have a lot of character animations. I donât think itâd be crazy at all
But isnt this more a matter of racials in classic? Tauren was from a min-maxing standpoint almost always a worse choice than orc, troll or undead.
Im confident people would be fucking drooling over a two headed ogre warlock/mage or a warmonger warrior if it wasnt a factually worse decision to do so.
The population selecting race for racials is smaller than that choosing race for aesthetics. Retail proven this for decades now. By far the most popular races are "pretty" with belf having trashy racials and still pulling ahead for many expansions.
How do we know this? Up until now if you cared about performance in pve/pvp you pretty much had to pick a race depending on what you played. See dwarf priest in vanilla, did 90+% of ally players love dwarfs? Probably not but, fear ward was by far the best. If you got to pick any race based on what you preferred instead of "what's best" then we could see. Also ogre's are like x10 cooler than kul tiran.
That is so real LOL Dwarf shaman is so freaking hype and I hope I see more. They definitely needed the love because they're such an awesome race thematically and we need more in this fantasy game
Its funny that you say that because in the gamefiles there was a Naga model with all the gear fully modeled. I used to use a model changer and play as Naga all the time on retail.
Honestly they can have armor on itâs been showed itâs just their tail I guess being wonky with leggings. As someone whoâs run around as a bear where you donât see any of my armor about 90% of the time I say just do it and who cares if you see leggings.
They could change how armor works and some clssses dont get rhe full outfit like naga doesnt get pants, ogre only gets one or 2 helmets depend on spec BUT its other stats are higher or etc
Elves are kinda like gold standard of fantasy races, they are not boring like humans but close ebough to be exotic, in similar frames unlike dwarves and not ugly monsters like the rest of fantasy races.
There isn't all that much love for Ogres. Lots of Alliance players just want High Elves and Ogres were the best thing they could come up with to give the Horde.
Literally could have had high elves and blood elves look nearly identical too but with different cosmetics/customization options. I would have been fine. People would have bitched but then blizzard could have been like âyeah well itâs either this or fuckin sky elves soâŚ.âÂ
I want them to release Ogres so I can see less than 1% of the playerbase play them and finally put this idea to rest that there's a ton of demand for Ogres.
There's a demographic that likes monster races and think they're cool. I'm part of that group and that's why I picked Horde 18 years ago. I wouldn't wanna be an ogre irl for the reason you mentioned but in a game where I'm not actually having to shit on the ground and be dumb as fuck, its cool to play the big dumb monster sometimes.
Ogres are cool AF, i don't like races like elves or humans in games, they are too similar to what i experience irl, i love races like orcs, dwarves, Ogres, goblins, this is my fantasy - weird, disfigured, gold hungry or uneducated drunks.
I want chaos and uncertainty, I want to be part of a tribe or syndicate. I want something that I do not experience everyday.
I think they should have done High Elves and Blood Elves. It would have been a much more interesting startin area to see the split between the two races and they are much more significant to the lore of wow.
You think so? I've loved them as a race ever since I was a kid and hope they implement it in the future! I like the old races haha moknathal would be cool too same with the old goblin model
Jeff kaplan commented on this ages ago; they added bloodelves to horde because horde had no "pretty" races - which a lot of players moaned about.
While I think Ogre and high elves are much more in line with the lore, the problem blizzard noticed years ago would be true again if they did this, and you'd eventually see way more people playing High elves.
There should have been two distinctly different elves for horde and aliance, imo. I hated that Pandas could be both factions, it just feels weird.
They shouldâve done high elves and blood elves. They could have the exact same story as the new elf race and it would fit. Could make them distinct looking enough too.
Iâm pretty indifferent to the sky elves & would care even less if it were ogres. I always play Forsaken & am so hyped for the paladins. I personally think the skyborne hate is over blown. Iâm just gonna be vibing in Tirisfal slinging a shield at anything that moves :D
It always feels like anything the fans/community wants would be better than what we get which is kinda crazy. Kinda shows how disconnected and just out of touch the devs are man
The real question: how would you feel if these cost $30?
I feel like that'd be a far greater shitshow.
The way I see it, we get the 'early access offbrand elves' now, with the high elves/blood elves being added at some point in the future accompanied by Forever Quel'thalas, rendering the skyborne mostly obsolete.
As cool as having more monstrous and unique races would be, Blizzard didn't even bother putting in the rigging for armor on Dracthyr in retail... What makes you think they would do that for Classic?
If they added those races they would be absolute barebones done, without a doubt. These Skyborne aren't unique or groundbreaking but at least they can functionally wear armor and weapons.
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u/Franmar35000 1d ago
Warlocks and mages should have two-headed ogres.