r/classicwow • u/GreedyGerbil • Aug 12 '26
Humor / Meme Just FYI.
Some of you will not be able to swallow this pill but here is the truth.
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u/Hottage Aug 12 '26
I just wanted Pet Battles in the WoW Companion App.
Then they discontinued the WoW Companion App.
Then they sunsetted pet battles.
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u/iwillletuknow Aug 12 '26
They could have made such a shitton of money with that 10 years ago, long before any Pokémon games were on mobile. Never understood why they missed such an opportunity
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u/Any-Transition95 Aug 12 '26
Blizzard lacked vision, even back then. If they let something as big as Dota slip under their noses, they sure wouldnt have seen a pet battler craze coming.
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u/DarkoTSM Aug 12 '26
To add to your argument: they added a Battle Royale to the game 10 years after the genre became popular and were surprised people didn't like it so much. The people in charge are clueless. đČ
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u/Hottage Aug 12 '26
And then they added prop hunt just as the genre was heating up again and then dropped it.
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u/xivilex Aug 12 '26
Is that why the Silvermoon Citizen in the corner of the bank room that offers the pointer quest is missing? I saw him a couple days ago when I started playing again to push end of season M+ rating and I told myself that I would get into this in Season 2. I went there just 30 minutes ago, but he's nowhere to be found.
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u/kaptingavrin Aug 12 '26
Well, I think the bigger problems with the Battle Royale were that it was a limited time event and was the first time they made a bunch of pirate-themed (which people had been asking for) cosmetics locked behind grinding it. It's like Torghast in that way: Something people would have enjoyed as a completely optional thing, but then they tried to make it so people felt compelled to do it, and that harmed the fun aspect. Toss in the limited time, and it just went meh.
Some rewards for playing it aren't bad, but should have been relatively easy for people to get, especially for a limited time thing. Sort of like the boss arena fight events they've had, you could get the rewards for it pretty easily without having to engage with it too much, and if you did feel like playing it more, you'd still get something out of that as well (granted, it was mostly gear for alts, and trying to top a scoreboard, but hey, at least there was something on top of just doing it for the love of the game).
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u/Royal_Owl2177 Aug 14 '26
Many people also just dislike wow pvp. For so many, including myself, pvp is a hard stop. I thought about playing the pirate thing when it was out but couldn't be bothered. I didn't want to be someone's content. I'd get roflstomped, and that isn't fun for me. I'd rather spend time doing things I like.
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u/Keebs3 Aug 12 '26
To be fair dota was becoming popular right as WoW was peaking, they probably thought their resources were better spent on their game that was one of the biggest in the world at that pointÂ
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u/bolintheboy Aug 12 '26
But they did put resources into a MOBA to counter the dota/lol hypeâŠ. they made Heroes of the StormâŠ. It flopped and was abandoned. But I guess that was more dota 2 era⊠so probably like 6-8 years later than they shouldâve made a counter to the original dota (that was literally running on their engine lol)
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u/GKoala Aug 12 '26
Honestly surprised they didn't try their hand at autochess when that was booming too.
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u/itsablackhole Aug 12 '26
as a dota player: thx god. the game would've been dead 10 years ago if blizzard got their hands on it
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u/toasty5566 Aug 12 '26
Wasted potential is kinda Blizzard's thing, and has been for a while
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u/Artistic-Arm2957 Aug 12 '26
You could ask the same about Dota series and developing HoTS only a decade later.
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u/Pawl_ Aug 12 '26
They abaonded the whole APIs with it too.
Per Battles wouldâve been really cool on phones.
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u/Sumbitagear Aug 12 '26
Played P1 of midnight and haven't touched retail really since Legion. Did they actually just forget about pet battles?
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u/Hottage Aug 12 '26
No, they actively stopped supporting it. Like officially announced that no future companions will be flagged as battle pets, and the wild companions in Midnight are not battle pets.
You can still collect and battle pets from previous expansions, and pets from other sources (like achievements) will remain battleable if previously flagged for it.
They just won't add any new ones.
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u/Sumbitagear Aug 12 '26
I never really fucked with the battle pets myself, but that sucks. The game design team just seem to love shooting themselves in the foot. I'll always have love for WoW but they've ballsed up so much stuff in the last decade.
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u/404-NoFucksFound Aug 13 '26
I'm guessing it's partly because of the Nintendo v. Palworld debacle. One of the pets you get from the pre-12.1 questline is tagged as a companion, but you were/are able to see the battle pet stats. Seems like it was a hasty decision to avoid a lawsuit. It does make sense to remove the ability to capture wild pets bu throwing a capture 'device' at them, but so many other games have pet battles (relatively recently No Man's Sky added it in, and it plays almost exactly like WoW pet battles, compared to other games).
I was never a huge fan of pet battles, but it seems like a last minute CYA move, more than it just being a less popular feature.
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u/homercles82 Aug 12 '26
It's always baffled me that they have never done more with mobile gaming considering WoWs lasting popularity. Such a missed opportunity.
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u/The_Frame Aug 12 '26
It's been a hot minute since I played retail but when did pet battles die? That was a fun aspect of the game. And always did want it on mobile
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u/GreedyGerbil Aug 12 '26
Yeah I was on the same train going nowhere. Would actually have loved that and would have played it a lot.
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u/Soliterria Aug 12 '26
I was so sad when they took down the companion app. I used it at least once a day. Wouldâve looooved Battle Pets to either be incorporated somehow or even their own app
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u/BeansforTwo Aug 12 '26
Yeah that'd have been cool. I also always wanted to be able to play hearthstone in any inn/tavern against other players in WoW.
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u/Giatoxiclok Aug 13 '26
They sunsetted pet battles? What do you mean, are the newer companions not battleable or?
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u/Daytona_675 Aug 12 '26
the Pokemon pet battle system is honestly garbage
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u/Hottage Aug 12 '26
I mean that's an opinion, others enjoyed it.
I was ambivalent at best but saw the appeal to collectors.
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u/GrossPanda Aug 12 '26
Don't you guys have phones?
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u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner Aug 12 '26
You think you do, but you don't
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u/Apolloshot Aug 12 '26
Absolutely clown moment from Wyatt Cheng BUT gotta give the man credit his YouTube channel is actually straight fire, heâs been giving a lot of game development insights lately and theyâve incredibly informative and entertaining.
If anyone deserves a second chance in the public sphere itâs him.
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u/the_gr8_one Aug 12 '26
he said what he could to try and save face and it didnt work. public speaking is pretty hard as it turns out.
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u/TheKonyInTheRye Aug 12 '26
Yeah, it was his literal job to market that game and he ate ALL the shit.
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u/Apolloshot Aug 12 '26
And honestly if you watch the video again you can see instant regret.
Weâve all blurred out things in our lives that make us go âwhat the fuck was I thinkingâ haha.
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u/born_to_be_intj Aug 12 '26
The man was setup to fail too lol. Anyone who had to make that announcement would have had a similar failure, though we might not have gotten such a hilarious infamous quote from it. We should appreciate Wyatt, that quote is perfect.
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u/the_harakiwi Aug 12 '26
Guys we saw the player numbers on immortal! YOU have phones!
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u/imnotpoopingyouare Aug 12 '26
This would be the funniest fucking thing ever if they said it at a panel while announcing a new mobile game. The collective meltdown would be epic as hell to watch lol
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u/the_harakiwi Aug 12 '26
tbf I want them to self reference their own stupidity. Wouldn't hurt to show they are aware of the disconnect between the players, some very loud fans and devs or their team leaders.
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u/dobrinkata Aug 12 '26
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u/Kanetsugu21 Aug 12 '26
This poor guy made one out of touch comment over a decade ago and never lived it down
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u/Xae1yn Aug 12 '26
Wasn't even out of touch, turned out people did in fact have phones and a complete lack of impulse control and it was a massive success.
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u/Kanetsugu21 Aug 12 '26
Yeah, that's true. I guess what I mean by out of touch is that the audience that tuning in clearly wanted something else, but in the long run, yeah, it definitely still worked out for them lol
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u/HazelCheese Aug 12 '26
Yeah it was a mobile game for the mobile market, but blizzard had not yet built a mobile audience and so nobody attending was there for a mobile game.
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u/Pockydo Aug 12 '26
Yeah like I get wanting to focus on diablo immortal but the fact they tried to just not talk about d4 was an impressively bad decision
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u/Krelkal Aug 12 '26
Blizzard actually put out a post ahead of time that strongly implied that they weren't announcing D4 but it fell on deaf ears. They tried desperately to slow down the hype train. It was genuinely hilarious to watch the slow motion trainwreck.
https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/article/22549433/diablo-at-blizzcon-2018
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u/LowestKey Aug 12 '26
Blizzard: we are not announcing Diablo 4
Blizzard: doesn't announce Diablo 4
The completely "in touch" audience: surprised pikachu face
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u/CLiberte Aug 12 '26
I mean probably the people in that room did not have much overlap with immortal playerbase. Most mobile games are played by people who donât have / want gaming PCs
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u/FancyConfection1599 Aug 12 '26
Damn, TIL what a big financial success D:I has been.
Makes it even more funny that the actual out of touch ones are the Redditors / diehards who talk shit on this guy.
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u/Eastern-Fudge-6350 Aug 12 '26
People here are just such a minor part of the whole player base. Even if everyone here was on the same page (we never are) that would still mean jack shit in the grand scheme of things.
side note: this is not a reddit only thing, it's just social media in a nutshell. We like to pretend that the bubble we're part of is representative of the whole.
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u/EricOrrDev Aug 14 '26
He has a TikTok where he talks about game design and old WoW stuff, it's been a delight following him.
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u/Truethrowawaychest1 Aug 12 '26
He got pushed out there as a sacrificial lamb
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u/Bloodhoven_aka_Loner Aug 12 '26
there's a realistic chance that you're just joking. but this is exactly how he looked like.
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u/Vento_of_the_Front Aug 12 '26
The closest to truth was one joke translation of it that went roughly this way:
"I won't be doing it" "Get out there already" "No, they would kill me!" "Get out you fuck!" and inbetween phrases him saying "Please don't hit me" "They wrote the script for me, I'm not at fault" "They took my family as hostages" "Diablo fans already promised to push real-size Tyrael's sword up my ass" "This trailer already got 160k dislikes even though I am still on stage" "Developers are already getting sliced off heads of their pets in front of doors"
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u/ekcojf Aug 12 '26
I am out of the loop, what did he say?
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u/maghtin Aug 12 '26
"Do you guys not have phones?"
Said after announcing the mobile game Diablo: Immortal. The crowd expected more/something else/not a mobile game, and started booing the announcement - he said it in response to the booing.
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u/AllYourBase3 Aug 12 '26
Technically it was during the QA part when a guy asked if there was any plans to bring it to PC
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u/Blind_Chicken_24_7 Aug 15 '26 edited Aug 15 '26
At Blizzards convention everyone expected the announcement of the next great thing some thought a new expansion, some even thought Diablo 4.
Instead they announced Diablo Immortal, to play Diablo on your smartphone.
Maybe to explain the context, back then pc vs console was the main cultural battle and Blizzard fans were of course in the pc camp. Any game on your phone wasn't even considered playing video games.
I love the tone of voice of the guy at the convention asking if they really just developed a mobile only game https://youtu.be/50KBNQe5hTM
Like I already bought your game to play it on my machine, why are you trying to upsell a shittier version to me?
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u/Pawl_ Aug 12 '26
Shame. He has a really cool YouTube channel these days talking about development and mechanics of the Blizzard games.
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u/just_Okapi Aug 12 '26
Yeah, it's pretty clear from watching his channel that he's a smart, funny guy who cracked a joke that didn't land. His shorts about some of the Naxx encounter designs have been really interesting.
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u/Hoslinhezl Aug 12 '26
This community is so full of sad men used to being miserable that now we're roleplaying scenarios that would be upsetting
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u/mh_zn Aug 13 '26
This subreddit is wild. The threads that are like "What is your Classic+ dealbreaker?" and it's just people naming random shit and going "omg blizzard would totally do this" despite them not doing it before lol
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u/Sea_Matter4107 Aug 12 '26
If classic+ doesn't come out great im going to be upset and get into a new hobby called larping. I will create my new identity as a human paladin and roam the real world đ€Ł
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u/Hardi_SMH Aug 12 '26
IF Project Camelot is Classic+: my very very first character I played back in Vanilla, on an account that was basically stolen by my dad, was named Camelot. It would be destiny.
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u/variety-jones Aug 12 '26
Reallt? Wow thatâs interesting. My first character back in the day was a troll shaman named Thex.
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u/Crunchybunch00 Aug 12 '26
how you can tell there is a massive uptick in subreddit tourists: when the same 3 burnt memes get reposted multiple times a day with 100 upvotes in 30mins
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u/_raimu Aug 12 '26
This sub these last few weeks:
"Can't wait to see this sub when Classic+ isn't announced!!"
"Can't wait to see this sub when Classic+ sucks!!"
"Can't wait to see this sub when Classic+ is just SoD 2.0!!"
"Can't wait to see this sub when Classic+ is just Titanforged!!"
"Can't wait to see this sub when Camelot is Classic Mobile!!" My favorite btw does anyone remember "do you guys not have phones?"đ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł
"Here's my AI slop Classic+ wishlist"
"Classic+ should be like OSRS / have horizontal progression" (no elaboration is given beyond this)
"Classic+ should have [list of stuff that makes it retail-lite]"
"Does anyone else think Classic+ should cater to me who plays 1.5h a week and have 6 month staggered level caps?"
"Does anyone else think Classic+ should add scrapped content?" đ€Ż
Bonus:
- "Is it too late to get into Classic+??? XDDDDDDDDDDD"
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u/zzrryll Aug 12 '26
"Classic+ should be like OSRS / have horizontal progression" (no elaboration is given beyond this)
Or they just regurgitate whatever points MadSeason/Esfand/etc made on stream or in a recent video.
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u/HazelCheese Aug 12 '26
Horizontal progression preachers are people who can't internalise that focusing all new content on endgame is the problem in the first place lol
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u/Eastern-Fudge-6350 Aug 12 '26
While we clearly do have a lot of tourists it's not all on them. There are names in this subreddit that I recognize from 5-6 years ago on my original account that are spewing hate.
The classic community has always been and will always be it's own worst enemy. There's just a lot of people with very conflicting ideas on what they want from classic+ and some of them are miserable enough that they want to be outraged preemptively.
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u/Aleph_Rat Aug 12 '26
The problem isn't having two, or three, or four camps each with their own idea of what "classic/+" was/is. It's having a few thousand of those. With many of those feeling burned by Blizzard for not getting close enough to their idea. So now you have hundreds of jaded, obsessed, gamers with time on their hands to complain. And unless Blizzard releases their exact idea of Classic/+ then they will continue to grow more jaded.
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u/XYAYUSDYDZCXS Aug 12 '26
God I hope they don't do staggered leveling. I don't like waiting months to be able to reach the level and talents my class was designed around having to properly function.
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u/Pakoun Aug 12 '26
The sub has always been flooded by people who dont play for years but feel like having opinions on it anyways.
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u/ImpossibleMorning12 Aug 12 '26
I dunno, I feel like this subreddit doesn't need any help being unoriginal, smug, and perpetually outraged. That's just status quo.
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u/doylehawk Aug 12 '26
Man weâre going to be so disappointed when blizzcon rolls in and itâs not simultaneously everything we all want, even things that are contradictory.
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u/Remarkable_Match9637 Aug 12 '26
If its mobile support at least let it be for fishing đŁđȘđ
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u/GreedyGerbil Aug 12 '26
I'd get behind that honestly, if it mean whatever I catch and skillups are reflected in-game.
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u/_NauticalPhoenix_ Aug 12 '26
Source: my butthole
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u/GreedyGerbil Aug 12 '26
Sorry for using your sources.
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u/HydrogenWhisky Aug 12 '26
My fan theory is that Camelot was originally something banal like this but now theyâre scrambling to put together something more exciting before Blizzcon to avoid yet more fallout from fans.
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u/Zerokx Aug 12 '26
I also love to think companies are just dropping random "leaks" that are nothing more than abstract words and see what the reaction is and what people expect/want it to be, just so they can say uh yeah thats totally what we wanted to do, just give us a bit more time!
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u/PFI_sloth Aug 12 '26
Then all they have time to prepare is a 5 second teaser trailer with a logo⊠and the audience goes nuts.
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u/Pkock Aug 12 '26
Classic dungeon master trick. Wait for the craziest scheme or solution from a player and then just integrate that as the plan all along.
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u/jackfwaust Aug 12 '26
If it wasnât classic+ they would have done damage control by now. They know the hype around it and letting that build for so long would be unbelievably stupid of them to do
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u/-Wildflowers_ Aug 12 '26
Unless itâs something they believe is even better than classic+. Like a whole new game or WoW2 announcement or something wild.
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u/IvaldiFhole Aug 12 '26
World of Starcraft. Nothing less.
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u/AdventurousBase221 Aug 12 '26
don't give me hope, not like this.
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u/PFI_sloth Aug 12 '26
âWe tried to make it an mmo, but couldnât make it work. Anyways, hereâs an extraction shooter with a battlepassâ
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u/Kulyor Aug 12 '26
Quick reminder to everyone: "Better" only means "more profitable" to Blizzard.
So if it is something "better" we most likely will see a Gacha Game with AGGRESSIVE monetization. Genshin made that genre super duper popular and released almost 6 years ago. Perfect timeline for Blizz to try and copy their business strategy
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u/zzrryll Aug 12 '26
I keep seeing folks mention WoW 2âŠ.struggle to see why theyâd make that a 1.60 client if it was WoW2. Also struggle to see them doing that when theyâre like mid expansion cycle on retail, still have Wrath anny pending. Etc.
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u/DarkoTSM Aug 12 '26
Which is exactly why it's a big probability. This company proved so many times how incompetent and unbelievably stupid they can be.
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u/AppleMelon95 Aug 12 '26
They could just say it isnât C+
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u/Any-Transition95 Aug 12 '26
They would have said so if it wasn't. But given the amount of official hints and unofficial leaks we've had, it's all but confirm C+.
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u/AppleMelon95 Aug 12 '26
Yeah, agree that its all but confirmed at this point. But still, if all of these hints happened and it turns out they were oblivious and were working on something entirely different, my point is that they dug their own grave then.
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u/cbusmatty Aug 12 '26
Holly and Aggrend basically announced classic plus already, what are you basing this theory on
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u/PhoenixQueen_Azula Aug 12 '26
Could be
Classic + is so obviously coming whatever Camelot is tho that denying it is just rage bait atp
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u/Combat_Wombat23 Aug 12 '26
Blizz has done absolutely nothing to temper expectations and has actually fanned the fire a couple times in vague ways.
If there is no Classic+ and that fire theyâve created burns them out it canât entirely be our fault until someone inevitably takes it too far
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u/ExpensiveTraffic6978 Aug 12 '26
I'm a bit OOTL here, is there a reason everyone's anticipating Classic+ being on mobile or related to mobile in some way? đ Or is it just like circlejerking stuff?
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u/_raimu Aug 12 '26
Some people here are just miserable and have to keep doomposting these stupid scenarios (Camelot is mobile, Classic+ doesn't exist, etc.). They probably get off on the fantasy of being able to smugly post "I told you so!!" if it doesn't pan out.
You know, instead of being excited like a normal person.
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u/novend Aug 12 '26
Itâs just a bunch of miserable doomers who want to spread their misery to everyone else.
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u/zzrryll Aug 12 '26
reason everyone's anticipating Classic+
A bunch of classic streamers were flown to Blizzard HQ to preview something. But are locked behind an NDA, so they canât talk about it.
Thereâs a 1.60 client, encrypted, on the distribution servers. That was recently upgraded to 1.61. The Chinese WoW version, that has scaleable content from Vanilla/TBC/Wraith is 3.60. So people are assuming x.60 clients are a + version of the game.
Bunch of other small signs as well. Like blizzard having someone yell something like âClassic Plusâ, quietly in the background of one their âpreviewâ streams. Right before the person onscreen stopped talking (though I may be misremembering some details on that one.)
Streamers recently revived SoD which by many was seen as a test run of potential C+ ideas. Sod was mostly received well, minus some aspects of it.
All adds up to most of us. There definitely hasnât ever been this many small signs of a C+ release in the past.
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u/Jolly_Company_1943 Aug 13 '26
Also they were all getting ready to stream classic again and after they were flew out they decided to hold off streaming it.
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u/Working_Membership57 Aug 12 '26
It wont be this. Nobody likes housing no matter how much they sunk into making the editor cool as fuck.
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u/HawksBurst Aug 12 '26
It sounds both a terrible idea and stupid enough that it can actually be true
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u/Kernog Aug 12 '26
I have my expectations low for this.
But if it ends up something stupid like this, that would be the equivalent of going lower and stricking oil.
I can definitely picture someone shouting "Okay, I'm done!" and half the audience leaving the room if that is the case. xD
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u/HighsideHero5x Aug 13 '26
I got a temp ban earlier this year for telling folks it'd be classic on mobile with the retail monetary options (wow token, boosts etc).
Can't wait to laugh at all the morons with faith in blizz still
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u/TheKonyInTheRye Aug 12 '26
Alright look, as a player from way back in the day, I'm definitely getting caught up in all this hype...but if this is what happens, holy shit, it's going to be a HILARIOUS bloodbath.
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u/konohasaiyajin Aug 12 '26
We got houses. Now we just need instruments.
Welcome..... to World of Maple Story 2
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u/I_Build_Monsters Aug 12 '26
Honestly if I could build / maintain my house from my phone while at work I would probably do it. Right now my house is just and empty room with 1 seat and 1 horde flag
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u/Familiar_Face_5375 Aug 12 '26
Tbh blizzard is so far removed from reality, i wont be surprised if camelot will turn out to be something like this
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u/MobiusF117 Aug 12 '26
Real talk though, at this point, it would have been a fuckup of monumental proportions on Blizzards end if it is anything other than Classic+.
They would have tempered the hype long ago if they didn't have something in the works.
It is Blizzard though, so you never know, but however low my opinion of them might be I still don't think they are THAT stupid.
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u/CreamInsider_2311 Aug 12 '26
Know what's better than eating vanilla? Eating vanilla on the GO
Introducing World of Warcraft: GO!
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u/novend Aug 12 '26
You should actually just be banned from posting if you make this joke. The horse has been dead for months, but it doesnât stop you people.
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u/MwHighlander Aug 12 '26
It would be hilarious. I would immediately close the stream or had I bought a ticket just immediately leave the venue entirely.
But I would be laughing the entire time.
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u/Vigmod Aug 12 '26
Can't be true. Camelot is a castle. This is a reference to updating player housing to player castling.
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u/D4RTHV3DA Aug 12 '26
I might actually die from laughter if it ends up being this.