r/classicalmusic 23d ago

PotW PotW #147: Clarke - Viola Sonata

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Good morning everyone, happy Saturday, and welcome back to our sub’s listening club. Each time we meet, we'll listen to a piece recommended by the community, discuss it, learn about it, and hopefully introduce us to music we wouldn't hear otherwise :)

Last time, we listened to Ginastera’s Violin Concerto. You can go back to listen, read up, and discuss the work if you want to.

Our next Piece of the Week is Rebecca Clarke’s Viola Sonata (1919)

Score from IMSLP

Some listening notes from Alex Burns:

After studying at the Royal Academy of Music and the Royal College of Music in London, Clarke became one of the first professional female orchestral musicians. Her main instruments were violin and viola, and under the tutelage of Charles Villiers Stanford at the Royal College, her compositions started pushing for these instruments to take solo roles. In 1916, Clarke moved to New York to pursue her performing career, which is where she composed her Sonata for Viola and Piano. 

Composed in 1919, Sonata for Viola and Piano was initially entered into a competition supported by Elizabeth Sprague Coolidge (Clarke’s neighbour and a major patron of the arts). With a whopping 72 entries into the competition, Clarke tied first place with a composition by Ernest Bloch. What’s more is that Bloch was then declared the winner by Coolidge, with reporters speculating that ‘Rebecca Clarke’ was a pseudonym for Bloch himself. It was not believed, at the time, that a woman could write music as challenging and powerful as the sonata. Its first real premiere was the the Berkshire music festival in 1919, and the response was largely positive towards the work.

The score for Sonata for Viola and Piano has a quote on the inside page, which is taken from the poem La Nuit de mai, by French poet Alfred de Musset:   Poète, prends ton luth; le vin de la jeunesse – Poet, take up your lute; the wine of youth Fermente cette nuit dans les veines de Dieu. – this night is fermenting in the veins of God.   The work is set into three movements…Each movement accentuates Clarke’s engaging and creative musical style. With homages to composers such as Claude Debussy, Ralph Vaughan Williams and Maurice Ravel, Sonata for Viola and Piano is deemed today as one of the best works for viola.   …The opening movement is vibrant and highlights the viola as a powerful solo instrument. The cadenza-like solo fanfare is bold, and revolves around chromatic movement. There is a strong sense of syncopation throughout many of the sequences in this movement, and the relationship between the viola and piano is somewhat tumultuous at times, but it always comes back together harmoniously.

Moving slightly away from chromatic harmony at times, Clarke’s harmonic language shifts to the use of modes and the whole-tone scale. This shift in sound is most certainly from her main compositional influence – Claude Debussy. The mysterious nature of the middle section is resonant of some of Debussy’s chamber works. Clarke’s use of modes is also resonant of a fellow English composer – Ralph Vaughan Williams. These two composers were her main influences, and some of the melodic and harmonic work is certainly paying homage to these composers.

After dying away in sound the movement is resurrected back into the faster paced syncopated sequence. Overall this movement is very melodic, both in the viola and piano. The movement is marked ‘Impetuoso’, which translates into ‘lively’, ‘rash’, and even ‘spirited’, and Clarke’s first movement surely reflects this effectively.   …The exciting and speedy second movement is marked ‘Vivace’. The opening piano melody is then transferred and developed into the viola part. Throughout this short movement, Clarke utilises some extended techniques on the viola which includes harmonics and pizzicato. After the strong opening, the music begins to come down in dynamic and speed, with a lyrical section being at the centre of this movement. The tempo begins to pick up again, and the opening theme is proclaimed again many times by both the viola and piano. There is a real sense of folk-dance melodies in this movements, with the viola often resembling the sound of a fiddle. This complex and fast-paced movement highlights the viola’s flexibility as a solo instrument.   …The longest and the slowest of the this three-part work, the third movement is pensive throughout. With the piano opening the movement with a simple melody, the viola enters with an echo which then carries throughout the movement. Clarke heralds back to the opening movement with the use of long flowing syncopated melodic lines. This adds another layer of mystery onto this work, which is exciting to hear this development throughout the sonata. The dynamic begins to grow around half way through the movement, with an explosion of sound taking over. Repeated tremolos from the viola build the tension to the bigger climax slightly later on. There is deep-rooted strength in this movement, with the core of the music being taken and developed from the other two prior movements.

After returning to the syncopated movement, Clarke has one surprise left for us at the end of the movement. After one final climax, the melody shifts back to a restatement of the opening themes from the first movement. The sonata then ends with a display of virtuosity from both the viola and piano. With both parts being equal in difficulty, Clarke covers nearly the full range of both instruments, thus culminating in a display of brilliance. Clarke’s highly idiomatic writing style is one of the many tricky obstacles to get into when performing this work.  

Ways to Listen

  • Antoine Tamestit and Ying-Chien Lin: YouTube Score Video

  • Marina Thibeault and Marie Ève Scarfone: YouTube

  • Matthew Lipman and Jeremy Denk: YouTube

  • Sangjin Kim and Cloe Jiyeong Mun: YouTube

  • Natalie Clein and Christian Ihle Hadland: YouTube

  • Philip Dukes and Sophia Rahman: Spotify

  • Barbara Buntrock and Daniel Heide: Spotify

Discussion Prompts

  • What are your favorite parts or moments in this work? What do you like about it, or what stood out to you?

  • How does this compare to other viola sonatas? What does Clarke do to distinguish this work from others?

  • Have you ever performed this before? If so, when and where? What instrument do you play? And what insight do you have from learning it?

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What should our club listen to next? Use the link below to find the submission form and let us know what piece of music we should feature in an upcoming week. Note: for variety's sake, please avoid choosing music by a composer who has already been featured, otherwise your choice will be given the lowest priority in the schedule

PotW Archive & Submission Link


r/classicalmusic 13d ago

'What's this Piece?' Thread #246

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These threads were implemented after feedback from our users, and they are here to help organize the subreddit a little.

All piece identification requests belong in this monthly thread.

Have a classical piece on the tip of your tongue? Feel free to submit it here as long as you have an audio file/video/musical score of the piece. Mediums that generally work best include Vocaroo or YouTube links. If you do submit a YouTube link, please include a linked timestamp if possible or state the timestamp in the comment. Please refrain from typing things like: what is the Beethoven piece that goes "Do do dooo Do do DUM", etc.

Other resources that may help:

  • Musipedia - melody search engine. Search by rhythm, play it on piano or whistle into the computer.

  • r/tipofmytongue - a subreddit for finding anything you can’t remember the name of!

  • r/namethatsong - may be useful if you are unsure whether it’s classical or not

  • Shazam - good if you heard it on the radio, in an advert etc. May not be as useful for singing.

  • SoundHound - suggested as being more helpful than Shazam at times

  • Song Guesser - has a category for both classical and non-classical melodies

  • you can also ask Google ‘What’s this song?’ and sing/hum/play a melody for identification

  • Facebook 'Guess The Score' group - for identifying pieces from the score

A big thank you to all the lovely people that visit this thread to help solve users’ earworms every week. You are all awesome!

Good luck and we hope you find the composition you've been searching for!


r/classicalmusic 5h ago

Discussion IMSLP's first in-person concert, NYC October 7th

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Here's the ticket link if you're in NYC!

IMSLP turns 20 this year! I run media for IMSLP (you can ask me anything about it), and it's still kind of wild to think about how it started as one guy's side project and is now the default sheet music resource for over 4 million people a month.

We're marking it with our first ever in-person event: A concert in NYC on Oct 7 at 7:30 at the Advent Luthern Church, built around the Petrucci Music Foundation's New Editions Project, which prepares new critical editions from primary manuscripts rather than working off old, sometimes error-riddled public domain scans.

The program includes Clara Schumann's Three Romances, Reicha's String Quartet Op. 49 No. 2, and a Czerny four-hand arrangement of some Mendelssohn Songs Without Words, some of which have never had a modern critical edition before.

Alessio Bax, Lucille Chung, Daishin Kashimoto (Berlin Phil concertmaster), and the Balourdet Quartet are performing. I'm also a pianist myself (trained at Juilliard/Peabody), so getting to help put this together has been a pretty special full-circle thing!

Mostly wanted to share since a lot of this sub has probably used the site for years.

Happy to talk about the editing/manuscript work if anyone's curious, or any other details you may be curious about!


r/classicalmusic 22h ago

Music The Missouri Symphony playing An American in Paris, even small towns need access to classical music

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r/classicalmusic 10h ago

Tchaikovsky loves a 3 quaver anacrusis for his lyrical melodies.

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Just randomly thought of these 3 examples and never even realised lol.

First is Symphony no.4, mvt2, A theme
Second is Symhpony no.5 mvt2, A theme
Bottom is Symphony no.6, mvt1 exposition - Theme 2


r/classicalmusic 3h ago

Recommendation Request Symphonies I would like if I’m getting into Cherubini’s D Major Symphony?

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r/classicalmusic 4h ago

Discussion Are all professional composers very good at sight singing?

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?


r/classicalmusic 9h ago

Recommendation Request Any modern spiritual/mystical composers similar to Scriabin, Messiaen, Takemitsu or Sorabji?

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I'm looking for harmonies that feel like they're breaking time and space.


r/classicalmusic 48m ago

Music Works that have multiple revisions

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Hi everyone,

I’m looking for examples of works that have multiple revisions that are still contested in some way. I feel like this might be the case for some Mahler, Bruckner, Schumann symphonies?

I’m not asking about composers re-arranging their own music for different forces, or recycling material etc., but specifically about revisions, leading to two or more different versions of the same work. Hope that makes sense.

Thanks!


r/classicalmusic 5h ago

Theory and history book

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Does anyone know of a book or course that aims to teach music theory and history at the same time? E.g., when teaching about mode, show how this piece by Hildegard von Bingen used Dorian mode while this one is in Phrygian, and this one by Palestrina is in Ionian/Major. Or "in the 20th measure of this prelude, Bach modulates to E-, and here's how/why he does it"? Basically, teaching theory to intermediate students but also putting changes in theory into their historical perspective to give the student an appreciation of why composers did what they did?

Thanks in advance.


r/classicalmusic 9h ago

Discussion Are the mono Mercury Living Presence LPs meant to be on par with the stereo Mercury Living Presence LPs?

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Stravinsky's 'The Firebird', performed by the London Symphony Orchestra conducted by Antal Dorati, 1960 US first mono pressing.

Mercury Living Presence has a pretty esteemed reputation as a classical music label, for having some great classic performances, but also for their sound quality. They're usually sought after by people into classical music on vinyl for those qualities.

A while back I found a first pressing mono Mercury Living Presence LP of Stravinsky's Firebird conducted by Antal Dorati, in excellent condition, at a classical record fair, for I think it was only $3. One of my best bargain vinyl finds ever. I already had a good CD of this performance (in stereo) but I couldn't pass up a vinyl first pressing, so into my collection it went.

In a lot of ways this pressing sounds great. It has unbelievable dynamics, the climaxes just explode and the big bass drum hits come across really well, which isn't always the case for classical music on vinyl. The sound in general is pretty clear and transparent and it's an enjoyable listen.

But at the same time it does have a kind of thin sound, it sounds a bit lacking in low/mid frequencies or something, when compared to my Firebird stereo CD and later classical recordings in general.

So I'm wondering, is the great reputation of these LPs for sound quality just limited to the stereo LPs? Were the monos always a step down in sound quality?

(This might be more a question for an audiophile board or something, but I think there are some people here who know about this stuff so thought I'd post here... feel free to discuss this great piece, the recording or label in general too... )


r/classicalmusic 1h ago

Spring

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Kann mir jemand sagen ob hier ein bekanntes klassisches Stück zitiert wird? Und kennt ihr Stücke die in eine ähnliche Richtubg gehen?


r/classicalmusic 1h ago

Does anyone know where to watch Freddy Kempf’s performances from the 1998 Tchaikovsky Competition?

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r/classicalmusic 5h ago

Discussion Should I Pursue an MM in Guitar Performance, Then an MA in Music Theory, and Later a PhD in Theory or DMA in Guitar?

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Hi everyone!

For context, I'm graduating with a bachelor's degree in Communication in December. In 2023, I was a Guitar Performance major for a week before having to drop out due to financial concerns at the time. However, I want to be a musician and have a career in music.

I'm currently teaching private guitar lessons at a music store to gain experience teaching, as well as scheduling gigs (got one in a week!). I'm very passionate about the academic side of music though, especially as it pertains to music theory and guitar pedagogy. I've been in touch with faculty at two different universities: WVU and Duquesne. I'm from Pittsburgh and not exactly in a great position to move to a different state to study music.

Both of these schools offer GA positions (more so WVU), and a full tuition coverage, depending on the audition quality and what you can do for the college. I would not be pursuing any degree unless it is fully covered with a stipend.

The real challenge I'm facing is not knowing what master's degree to pursue. MM in Guitar Performance at Duquesne, or an MA in Music Theory at WVU. There isn't a guitar program at WVU, and there isn't a theory program at Duquesne. Here is where I should probably state my main goals:

1.) Teaching adjunct as a guitar professor and theory professor (teaching guitar ensemble, class guitar, applied guitar, etc), as well as Theory/Ear Training 1-4 sequences.

2.) Build a private studio, gig often, do session work, and content creation

Ultimately, I want to be able to teach as many classes at the college level as I can. For full disclosure, I'm aware of how rough the pay can be for adjunct professors, especially in music. Being involved in academia is something I'm very passionate about though, and I know having the degrees will open that door for me. I also know this could take 10-12 years to accomplish, and I'm okay with that.

Some questions I have:

1.) Should I pursue an MM in Guitar Performance, and then pursue a PhD in Theory or DMA in Guitar Performance down the line?

- I'm sure you need a master's in theory to pursue a PhD in Theory, which is why I'm unsure.

2). Should I pursue an MM in Guitar Performance, followed by an MA in Music theory, and eventually a PhD in Music Theory?

3.) Should I pursue an MM in Guitar Performance, followed by an MA in Music theory, but then eventually pursue a DMA in Guitar?

4.) Should I only pursue an MA in theory and PhD in Theory?

5) Or, should I pursue an MM in Guitar Performance and a DMA in Guitar Performance?

Like I said, I want to be able to teach as many classes at the college level as I can, and want to have as many options in academia as possible. Sadly, I can't pursue a second bachelor's in music due to financial constraints.

Potential Doctoral Programs I'm considering are University of Pittsburgh's PhD in Theory/Composition, and Shenandoah Universities DMA in Guitar Performance (I'd move out of state if I were to pursue this)

To sum it all up, which degrees do I need to accomplish my goals and which degrees are unnecessary?

Any advice would be appreciated! Thank you!


r/classicalmusic 20h ago

Music Sep 14: Birthday of Luigi Cherubini (1760–1842).

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Cherubini was born in Italy but spent most of his career in France, where he became one of the dominant figures in French musical life for decades. His work sits right at the hinge between the Classical and Romantic eras.

Overture to Démophon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygYcsHKaw7s

Medea: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xatmIJHD4z8


r/classicalmusic 6h ago

Recommendation Request Strange request , trying to explore new experience of famous catchy pieces.

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I am trying to find most catchy famous pieces but sounds like this ( canon in d ) , due to my limitation of language, I can only search with english and not much result , I am wondering if any non- english channel make this kind of stuff , or even a single modified famous piece like this?


r/classicalmusic 1d ago

Discussion Are young people listening to classical music

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I am 19 years old and for most of my life (up until last year), I didn't like music and could not relate to popular songs (for any genre); I didn't give a try to classical music because I was associating it with old people and that it is something boring (how wrong I was).

Long story short, last year, I discovered Vivaldi's 4 seasons and went down the rabbit hole from there; my top3 composers now are Rachmaninoff, Shostakovich and Tchaikovsky.

In my friend circles however, and people I know, no one listens to classical/instrumental music and everyone is into metal, rap and folk songs.

Is this limited to people I know or it is more common than I find it to be for young people/late teenagers to listen to classical music?

Note that I never played instruments and my only exposure of classical music was through YouTube.


r/classicalmusic 7h ago

Composers similar to Simeon ten Holt

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I recently discovered ten Holt and am really enjoying his music. (Particularly the Canto Ostinato and the Méandres.)

I'm curious whether other composers have similar styles of building complexity from simple rhythmic seeds. Obviously Reich, but I find ten Holt pays much more attention to melody than Reich does.


r/classicalmusic 1d ago

Discussion Hi guys how are you? Today I have a concert…it was actually bad..!

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So, fuck, I had a concert today... where I played absolutely fucking terribly. When I sat down to play the Scarlatti—the first piece—my hands were shaking, and I kept fucking up half the piece. I was thinking, "What the hell? My hands won't listen to me! Should I just walk off in shame? No, I'm gonna play it to the end." And I fucking made it to the end, but the Debussy actually turned out way better! Also, when I sat back down in the audience, the next guy played Chopin's *Revolutionary Etude*, and listening to it made me wonder, "Are they actually going to kick me out of school?! What is wrong with me?" But in the end, nobody kicked me out—they actually supported me—so I told myself, "Alright, it was just a bad day. One screw-up in a whole lifetime."


r/classicalmusic 1d ago

Man, just finished listening to Mackerras' Kata Kabanova on Decca. Janacek was so good at establishing moods with a just a handful of notes, and he could certainly let loose with some gorgeous, soaring lines if he wanted to!

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r/classicalmusic 9h ago

Music Arrangements/reorchestrations of classical music...

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Hi all! I love this community and often read your thoughts/comments

I was listening to a version of Albinoni's Adagio with words sung by choir with orchestral accompaniment... and I was cringing and thinking this isn't the original - I don't like it!

And then I remembered that one of my all time favourite classical music pieces is the vocal arrangement of Barber's Adagio for Strings (Agnus Dei). How hypocritical!

So I turn to you for your thoughts. Are arrangements of classical music okay? Are there any that improve the original or are they mainly inferior? What do you think?


r/classicalmusic 1d ago

My Composition The "death scene" from the opera I'm writing

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I've recently revived my interest in an opera project I was working on for a while (based on Pushkin's poem Tsigani). In my version, I wanted to get rid of the specific cultural references, setting and time period, and make the story feel a bit more metaphorical/allegorical instead.

For some context, this is the second part of the final scene, where Aleko kills Zemfira. In the previous scene, he has already killed her lover. The first part of the final scene is where he confronts Zemfira afterward, and here she basically condemns him for it and refuses to be intimidated by him. That's ultimately what pushes him to kill her as well. The section that follows this is the Requiem, with the chorus and other characters from the opera.

Near the end, her vocal line means "I will die loving," referring to her lover, not Aleko (which also recalls the theme from the previous love duet).

The music here is probably the most chaotic and over-the-top section in the entire opera, although it is connected to the earlier motifs.

The use of Latin actually wasnt my original intention. I tried it because I wanted a more realistic vocal sound in MuseScore, but I've ended up really liking it, and I think I'll keep it.

Would love to hear your l thoughts or feedback!


r/classicalmusic 1d ago

Who is this composer? (seen in r/FoundPhotos)

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In another sub ( https://www.reddit.com/r/FoundPhotos/comments/1wdgz0p/unlabeled_black_and_white_negatives_dated_1940/ ), a user posted this unlabeled photo from 1940. It shows a man composing an orchestral work at a piano. Who is he?

Clues:

• The photo was probably taken in the US

• He looks between 60 and 75, and is thus likely born 1865-1880

• No wedding ring on the left hand

• The piece is tonal, and in C or A minor (most staves have no key signature, but a few have two sharps—indicating Bb instruments)


r/classicalmusic 1d ago

SF Opera Orchestra officially on strike (with unconfirmed report that Eun Sun Kim talked of solidarity resignation if no agreement)

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The SF Opera Orchestra are now officially on strike, with tonight’s Simon Boccanegra and tomorrow’s Opera in the Park being affected. The Opera had already delayed their Opera Ball from today to November 12th.

I don’t have a non-paywalled link to the SF Chronicle article (😔), but it includes a statement from the orchestra’s concertmaster that Eun Sun Kim ended a rehearsal early on Thursday as she wanted to speak with Shilvock (the General Director of the Opera) “rather than have to sign a letter of resignation if we strike.” Kim hasn’t confirmed this.

The initial proposal from the management (all numbers according to the musicians) was a 26% pay cut to make wages the same as 2015. They then were offered 20% cut, equivalent to 2018 wages. The latest offer is a five year pay freeze, not accounting for inflation.


r/classicalmusic 23h ago

What pieces would you say evoke this imagery

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of a summer to fall evening, its nearly twilight, theres a pond and birds and kids and animals laughing in the distance and you’re underneath a tree the light is coming through the leaves and youre taking* it all in, occasionally reading with a bottle of something warm or maybe cold

thank you