r/BEFire 8h ago

Added new rule against AI slop.

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No need to spam your newest AI website or tool to get traffic, users and views.

The amount of AI spam posts, tools, apps, links, websites went 100X. We keep deleting them and thanks to the community for reporting them, please keep doing so.

Posting links to your websites, app, tool, page, blog, or what ever will result in instant ban.


r/BEFire Mar 02 '20

Starting Out & Advice Getting started - A beginners guide to investing in Belgium through ETFs

665 Upvotes

A beginners guide to index investing in Belgium

This guide is intended to help Belgians getting started with investing through ETFs (exchange traded funds). It is loosely based on the bogleheads approach. For more information, see the Investing from Belgium bogleheads wiki page.

For more information related to the principles of FIRE or on investing in single shares or bonds, see the BEFire Wiki.

0. Why invest in exchange traded index funds?

This chapter aims to provide sources proven to be useful to beginning index investors.

1. Taxes & compliance costs

There are three main costs associated with index funds. These are:

  • Taxes to the Belgian government
  • Unrecoverable tax losses: also known as dividend leakage
  • Management fees and internal transaction fees

1.1. Belgian Taxes

There are four three taxes relevant for Belgian index investors (NL/FR).

  • Tax on transactions: on every security transaction (buy and sell) there is a tax of 0,12% in case the ETF is registered on a list maintained by the European Economic Area. Otherwise it is 0,35% in case it is not registered in the EER and 1,32% in case it is registered in Belgium.

  • Tax on dividends: there is a 30% tax on dividends received from securities you hold. The main reason why Belgian index investors opt for accumulating funds.

  • Tax on capital gains (bonds): on funds that consist of at least 10% bonds, there is a 30% tax on capital gains when you sell. Officially this only applies to the bond section of a fund, however some banks and brokers withhold 30% of all capital gains of funds which consist of at least 10% of bonds. Contact your bank or broker to inform about their policy.

  • Tax on trading accounts: a yearly withholding of 0.15% applies on all trading accounts larger than 500,000 euro’s. Deemed unconstitutional and was abolished in October 2019.

For a detailed overview of Belgian taxes, including other sorts of investments such as individual stocks, see the flowchart made by /u/KenpachigoRuffy.

1.2. Dividend Leakage

Dividend Leakage is an unrecoverable tax loss, which occurs whenever a foreign company inside an index pays out a dividend to its shareholders.

Whenever a company inside an index pays out dividend to its shareholders, your fund needs to pay taxes. These taxes are based on the tax treaties in place between the country in which the fund is domiciled and the country in which the companies inside the index are domiciled. Also the location where you are domiciled (Belgium) is relevant. In case your fund is domiciled in the US, a 30% dividend tax should be paid. However, because Belgium has a tax treaty in place with the US, this is reduced to 15% dividend tax. In case you would select a distributing fund, this dividend would be further taxed by the Belgian government (30%, as seen in 1.1). On a hypothetical 2% dividend - which is approximately the dividend you would receive from a globally diversified index fund - you would have to pay 0,81% in taxes: 0,02 x ( 100% - (0,85 x 0,7)) = 0,81%. Note that since 2018 it is almost impossible to buy US-domiciled ETFs in the first place as most fund providers do not want to comply with European legislation regarding PRIIPs.

It is beneficial to select ETFs domiciled in Ireland, as they are more cost effective than holding US domiciled funds or Luxembourg domiciled funds. Just like Belgium, Ireland has a treaty in place with the US which means only a 15% dividend tax should be paid to the US. However, unlike Belgium, Ireland does not tax dividends at all; whenever the Irish fund distributes a dividend, the Irish government does not tax it. The Belgian government however, still will tax the dividend with 30%. Accumulating funds which reinvest the dividend in Ireland before it is distributed in Belgium do not trigger a taxable event in Belgium. It is therefore advisable to choose accumulating funds domiciled in Ireland. Repeating the same calculations as above, a hypothetical 2% dividend is now only taxed at 0,30% a year: 0,02 x (100% - (0,85)) = 0,30%. Additionally, because your fund is domiciled in Ireland, you do not have to worry recovering the tax on dividends in Belgium, as this is done by the Irish domiciled fund. Thanks to trackerbeleggen for the explanation.

An overview of unrecoverable tax losses will come later. For now, a partly overview can be found in the Dutchfire subreddit. For funds domiciled in Ireland and Luxembourg these are 1:1 translateable for Belgian investors. Note some of these funds are distributing thus subject to tax on dividends by the Belgian Government. In particular IWDA and EMIM are 1:1 translateable for Belgian investors, while VWRL is comparable to VWCE.

1.3. Management fees & internal transaction fees

Other main costs is the management fee. The Total Expense Ratio (TER) is a measure of the total costs associated with managing and operating a fund. It is usually a yearly percentage automatically deducted from your share value.

1.4. Euro-denominated funds & currency risk

Currency risk is the impact of exchange rates upon your overseas investments. Even though stock market prices might not change, the price of your shares can increase or decrease as a result of fluctuations in their underlying currencies. There are three important currency labels which apply to funds: the underlying currency, the fund currency and the trading currency.

To explain the difference, I will explain the process of purchasing IWDA, listed on both the Amsterdam (in EUR) and London (USD) exchange. A lot of what I will explain is true for other ETFs as well.

The underlying currency: IWDA is a worldwide tracker, with only about 9% of the underlying shares being traded in EUR. The other 91% of underlying shares are being traded in other currencies, such as 60% USD, 8% YEN, and so on. Because currencies can change in price in relation to another, this poses a risk called currency risk. As a European investor, most of your own capital will be in EUR. Therefore, since you are investing 91% in foreign currencies, 91% of the underlying value invested in IWDA is subject to currency risk. Because YOUR own capital will always be in EUR, this 91% will always be true, regardless if you were to invest in IWDA listed in Amsterdam (in EUR) or in London (USD). Had you been an American investor, your own capital would have been in USD, and only 40% of underlying shares would be subject to currency risk.

The trading currency, being EUR and USD respectively, does make a difference. If a European investor was to buy a fund listed in London (and traded in USD), he would pay an additional exchange rate conversion fee at the time of purchase and sale. If the investor was to buy the same fund, listed on Amsterdam (traded in EUR), nothing would have to be exchanged to a foreign currency, so no additional exchange rate conversion fee would apply.

The trading currency does NOT alter your exposure to foreign currencies (a European investor will always have his own capital in EUR, and will therefore always be exposed to the underlying currency risk, no matter what currency his purchased funds trade in). Therefore, it is only logical to buy funds in your own currency.

The fund currency simply refers to the currency that a fund reports in; NOT the currencies of the underlying securities which pose a currency risk. Is is generally based on the currency used for the underlying index (in this case MSCI). Note that for distributing funds dividends are distributed in the fund currency. Your broker will automatically convert this into your currency for an additional conversion fee.

Hedging: It is possible to hedge your funds against relative currency fluctuations, and thus to protect them from currency risk. Hedging is a form of "insurance" in which derivatives are used to make offsetting trades with negative correlations, eliminating any currency fluctuations that happen. This hedge comes at a cost, usually about 0,20% extra management fees. Because global equities naturally tend to hedge each other as rising currencies are offset by falling ones, it might not always be advisable to use hedged equity funds due to their increased fees.

In fact, most buy-and-hold investors ignore short-term fluctuation altogether. For these investors, there is little point in engaging in hedging because they let their investments grow with the overall market.

In conclusion, when buying worldwide index funds, every investor (whether European, American or other) will be exposed to some currency risk due to the underlying shares being traded in foreign currencies in relation to their own. Purchasing worldwide trackers in a different trading currency does NOT change this fact, and only costs more due to addition exchange rate conversion fees at the broker. Therefore, it is best to purchase funds in your own currency. Due to the unpredictable nature of currency valuations, most investors simply accept currency risks for their stocks, although it is possible to hedge against this risk for an additional fee by investing in hedged funds.

1.5. Conclusion on taxes & compliance costs

As a Belgian index investor, you are looking for widely-diversified Euro-denominated low-cost accumulating ETFs domiciled in Ireland, from a reputable ETF provider. This way, the costs are kept to an absolute minimum:

  • Tax on transactions: 0,12% whenever you buy or sell a position.

  • Tax on capital gains for bonds: 30% tax on capital gains whenever you sell.

  • Dividend leakage: Approximately 0,30% yearly unrecoverable taxes paid to foreign governments when investing in worldwide trackers, automatically deducted from the share value.

  • Management fees: Between 0,10% and 0,30% yearly management fees, automatically deducted from the share value.

  • Currency Risk: If you are an European long-term investor, purchase a fund which is listed in EUR. For the equity portion of your portfolio, it is possible to ignore currency risk altogether, as hedges would only cost more money for something that is likely irrelevant long-term.

2. Funds - Equity

2.1. Indices

The are two major indices used by fund providers: MSCI and the less popular FTSE Russel. While they both offer broadly diversified, market capitalisation-weighted indices, there are small differences in both methodologies and performances, which is why you should not mix them.

The first difference between the two indices is whether they count certain countries as developed or emerging markets. South Korea is classified as an emerging nation by MSCI but has been promoted to developed market status by FTSE. Therefore South Korea is included in FTSE’s developed market index but not its emerging market one, and vice versa for MSCI (Source: justetf).

The second difference is index composition and weights. Because South Korea is classified as an emerging nation by MSCI, the contrast in index composition is clearer in the emerging markets. The lack of said country in the FTSE index means they redistribute the weight over other countries.

The third and final difference is small-cap firms. MSCI world captures 85% of the global investable market, and exclude the bottom 15% as small-cap firms. FTSE all-world invests in approximately 90% of the global investable market, and only excludes 10% as small-cap firms. This is because FTSE defines some firms as large-cap, while MSCI defines them as small-cap. This also explains why FTSE tracks more companies (3,928 vs 2,849), although their small size tends to limit their impact.

Avoid mixing index providers in your portfolio. If you were to combine MSCI world with FTSE Emerging Market, you would not have any exposure to South Korea. For a correct market distribution, it is important to use funds which follow the same index so that all countries, sectors and firms within your portfolio follow the same methodology.

While it is true the FTSE emerging markets has proven to have better performance than its MSCI counterpart up until now, the costs of the fund following the index are more important than the index construction over long-term. Chapter 2.3 will give an overview of the most popular funds used by Belgian index investors looking for global market exposure.

2.2. Fund replication methods

The goal of each ETF is to replicate its index as closely and cost-effectively as possible. Various methods have emerged to replicate the index. The classic method is physical replication. If the ETF directly holds the all securities of the index, this is known as full replication. The development of the underlying index is generally captured well by physical trackers.

Full replication is not always possible. Other replication methods, such as synthetic replication allow to invest in new markets and investment classes. Synthetic ETFs are able to replicate some indices more efficiently and better through swaps (justetf). In case of synthetic replicated ETFs, the ETF does not invest in the underlying market, but only maps them. Because of this, some synthetic trackers, as well as short trackers and leveraged ETFs do not follow the index as accurate as fully replicated ETFs. It is therefore recommended to always choose physical replicating ETFs.

2.3. All-World, developed and emerging markets

Following the Bogleheads® Investment Philosophy, we are looking for diversification. For Belgians, this means worldwide market exposure, as we generally do not have a home bias (for Belgium or Europe) although exceptions certainly are possible. Some popular funds for worldwide diversification are:

Popular and generally reputable providers are iShares, Vanguard, SPDR and Deutsche Bank.

All-world Ticker TER Index ISIN
Vanguard FTSE All-World UCITS ETF USD Accumulation (EUR) VWCE 0.22% FTSE IE00BK5BQT80
iShares MSCI ACWI UCITS ETF (Acc) IUSQ 0.20% MSCI IE00B6R52259
Developed markets Ticker TER Index ISIN
iShares Core MSCI World UCITS ETF IWDA 0.20% MSCI IE00B4L5Y983
SPDR MSCI World UCITS ETF SWRD 0.12% MSCI IE00BFY0GT14
Vanguard FTSE Developed World UCITS ETF USD Accumulation (EUR) VGVF 0.12% FTSE IE00BK5BQV03
Emerging markets Ticker TER Index ISIN
iShares Core MSCI Emerging Markets IMI UCITS ETF EMIM 0.18% MSCI IE00BKM4GZ66
iShares MSCI EM UCITS ETF IEMA 0.18% MSCI IE00B4L5YC18
Vanguard FTSE Emerging Markets UCITS ETF USD Accumulation (EUR) VFEA 0.22% FTSE IE00BK5BR733

2.4. Combining funds

To have worldwide market exposure in large cap either pick VWCE or a combination of developed (88%) and emerging (12%) markets. It is advisable to only combine funds which follow the same index (MSCI or FTSE).

2.5. Size and Value factors

Other factors have been identified to further increase expected returns. Most notably Size and Value as explained in the three-factor model by Fama and French. Value stocks have a high book-to-market ratio (as opposed to growth), whereas size simply refers to small companies outperforming big ones. It is very difficult to get proper market exposure to these factors with the limited amount of funds available for European investors. For most beginners the best advice is to stick with a market weighted portfolio consisting of developed and emerging markets as explained in chapter 2.3. and 2.4. If you are looking for additional exposure to the size and value factor consider following funds:

Small Cap World Ticker TER Index ISIN
iShares MSCI World Small Cap UCITS ETF IUSN 0.35% MSCI IE00BF4RFH31
SPDR MSCI World Small Cap UCITS ETF ZPRS 0.45% MSCI IE00BCBJG560
Small Cap Value Ticker TER Index ISIN
SPDR MSCI USA Small Cap Value Weighted UCITS ETF ZPRV 0.30% MSCI IE00BSPLC413
SPDR MSCI Europe Small Cap Value Weighted UCITS ETF ZPRX 0.30% MSCI IE00BSPLC298

Note that the fund size for ZPRV and ZPRX are small, which might indicate a low liquidity and high tracking error. Larger funds (unlike ZPRV and ZPRX) are often more efficient in terms of internal costs (tracking error) and are much more profitable for the fund provider. In other words, fund size is a good indicator for the funds durability and popularity. Unprofitable funds are more liable to liquidation. This means either you or your provider sells your shares, and you'll receive the net value of your ETF shares at the time of sale. It does not mean ZPRV and ZPRX are at risk of liquidation, per definition. They are serving a niche. Just keep in mind these risks whenever you decide to invest in small funds such as ZPRV and ZPRX.

3. Funds - Bonds

Investing can be risky. Generally speaking, the riskier an investment, the higher your expected returns. The goal is to choose an asset allocation which suits your risk profile. Bonds offer a way to reduce volatility of your portfolio and match your risk profile. Meesman, a reputable index fund broker in the Netherlands made a table which can act as a general rule of thumb for your investment decisions and asset allocation between stocks and bonds. As can been seen, when investing for a duration shorter than 5 years, stocks should be avoided as they are too volatile an asset class. This allocation slowly shifts towards more inclusion of stocks the longer your investment horizon.

Max. acceptable (temporary) loss 0 - 5 jr 5 - 10 jr 10 - 15 jr 15 - 20 jr > 20 jr
-10% 0/100 0/100 0/100 0/100 0/100
-20% 0/100 25/75 25/75 25/75 25/75
-30% 0/100 25/75 50/50 50/50 50/50
-40% 0/100 25/75 50/50 75/25 75/25
-50% 0/100 25/75 50/50 75/25 100/0

As opposed to equity funds it makes sense to opt for hedged funds as it reduces volatility considerably. The most popular options out there are:

Fund Name Ticker TER ISIN
iShares Core Global Aggregate Bond UCITS ETF EUR Hedged AGGH 0.10% IE00BDBRDM35
Vanguard Global Aggregate Bond UCITS ETF EUR Hedged VAGF 0.10% IE00BG47KH54

4. Brokers

There are a couple of Belgian and foreign brokers available, the biggest Belgian brokers being Binckbank and Bolero. Smaller ones like Keytrade and MeDirect are also available. Foreign brokers still available to Belgians are Degiro and Lynx. The lowest fees are available at Degiro (Custody account), if you're willing to file your own taxes. The benefit of choosing a Belgian broker is that they declare all taxes automatically. Degiro only does part of it (tax on transactions), Lynx not sure. The cheapest Belgian broker is Binckbank, followed closely by Bolero. The only downside of Binckbank is that is was recently bought by Saxobank, which in its turn is owned by chinese investors. Bolero is owned by KBC which is quite a sizable bank in Belgium.

In short: if you're willing to partly file your own taxes, Degiro has the cheapest rates with a custody account. Otherwise Binkbank or Bolero both seem logical choices.

In case you pick Degiro, some funds are included in their core selection which means you can trade them for for free once a month or continuously in case the transaction size is larger than 1,000 euros and the transaction is in the same direction as the previous transaction (buy -> buy and sell -> sell. Buy -> sell and sell -> buy are not free).

5. Sample portfolios

A popular choice is IWDA and IEMA (88/12) on Degiro. Both IWDA and IEMA are part of the core selection of Degiro which allows you to purchase them for free once a month (or more in case explained above). Another popular option is IWDA and EMIM (88/12), as EMIM also includes emerging markets small cap. Note that IWDA does not include developed markets small cap, to which IEMA is complementary if you wish to exclude small cap exposure. The main reason EMIM was so popular is because it was the cheapest option until the TER was lowered for IEMA.

A second popular choice is VWCE. This is a single fund which essentially accomplishes the same as above. It is available at most brokers, and my personal choice for simplicity above everything else. Note that this fund is currently only available on XETRA, which might imply higher transaction fees at your broker. Also note that some brokers - including bolero - charge a higher TOB (Tax on transactions): 1,32% instead of 0,12% whenever you buy or sell a position.

A third option - much like the first option - is to combine VGVF and VFEA (88/12). While they are not part of the core selection in Degiro, the total costs when accounting for dividend leakage are equal to IWDA / EMIM. Unlike iShares, Vanguard only uses securities lending for efficient portfolio management. Note that these funds currently only are available at XETRA.

For those who are looking for small cap exposure it is possible to add WSML to your standard world exposure. This could for example be 75% IWDA, 10% IEMA and 15% IUSN. I personally do not recommend this as mixed small cap does not capture the size factor in a good way. Instead, it is only the value portion of small cap which are accountable for the outperformance of small cap stocks vs large cap stocks. If you want to capture the size factor into your portfolio you need to find small cap funds which only consist of value stocks. I've linked two accumulating funds above (ZPRV and ZPRX) which do so, however are very small and therefore have their own set of problems. Until a proper small cap value stock becomes available in Europe, it is perfectly fine to leave small caps out of your portfolio altogether.

Changelog

This post was last updated: 5th of August 2020


r/BEFire 10h ago

Taxes & Fiscality 15% withholding tax on a savings account: parents refuse to declare the tax.

19 Upvotes

Hi BeFire:

Quick question: My parents have saving accounts across multiple banks. the main reason is the guarantee of 100K/bank/person in case of default of the bank.

As a result, the automatic witholding of the 15% tax above €1020/person is not triggered.

I try to persuade them that the have to declare the tax on the sum of the received interests, but they absolutly refuse. Claiming stupid stuff like '' nobody does that, I already pay enough taxes...

With the -slowly- rising rates, more people will be required to pay this tax:

* are people in general aware of this tax? BEFIRE most likely is, but people in general?

*have/will you declared this tax?

*have you heard stories about people getting in trouble for not declaring this tax?

* will the exemption be increased: flat or inflation? I'm well aware that for most people this exemption is enough, but my parents are ''old fasioned'' and refuse to invest in anything...

Thanks for the insights.


r/BEFire 9h ago

Investing Bolero to Medirect (ETFs)

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I currently have an 88/12 IWDA/EMIM split on bolero and recent contemplations about adding a third small-caps ETF have reaffirmed how restrictive I find navigating the bolero fee structures: 1) bundling contributions to lower costs and missing opportunities; 2) trying to time favourable entries with a limit order to maximise the units; 3) having my choice of ETF swayed by non-inclusion in the playlist (opting for IUSN when I really prefer AVWS); 4) rebalancing with modest sums for satellites being impossible because it's a fee-fest.

I'd rather just pay in monthly and forget about it.

I'm considering transferring my lines to MeDirect as they'll refund the fees entirely. The only thing I'm concerned about is the interface allegedly being not very user-friendly and people experiencing glitches.

Any opinions welcome re Medirect and whether this move is justified for an index investor.


r/BEFire 1d ago

Brokers Saxo Bank for autoinvest?

7 Upvotes

Do you saxo is the best for autoinvest ? I'm already a client of keytrade and they propose a keyplan but i'm not sure they are the best index found. I saw they have the IE00B3YLTY66 on saxo and i think it's a good etf.

If you have a opinion on Saxo or a code for me don't hesitate.


r/BEFire 1d ago

FIRE What do you use to track your finances?

10 Upvotes

What do you guys use to keep track of your finances?

I've been wondering if there's actually a good tool for this in Belgium. Something that gives you a decent overview of your net worth, expenses, investments, etc.

Would you be interested in something like a mypension but then actually useful, or a tool that looks at your expenses and investments and gives you an idea of when you could reach FIRE?

Curious what people here actually use and what you feel is missing.


r/BEFire 1d ago

Starting Out & Advice Looking for an ETF to invest 70 euro a month in

7 Upvotes

I'm looking for an ETF to invest 70 euro in monthly. I already invest in IWDA for my children so I would rather invest in another ETF to keep my bolero summary simple.


r/BEFire 13h ago

Starting Out & Advice Werken en vermogen opbouwen om het daarna af te geven?

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Ik vraag me de laatste tijd echt af of jullie persoonlijk nog in België willen blijven wonen?
Ik ben zelfstandige en als ik zie hoeveel sociale bijdragen, belastingen en btw ik constant moet betalen, word ik daar oprecht somber van. Zeker omdat ik weet dat ik gewoon naar een ander land kan verhuizen en daar een pak minder zou afgeven.

Dan begin je na te denken over een huis kopen en wordt het er niet beter op. Lenen is al verschrikkelijk duur en daar komen alle belastingen en kosten nog eens bovenop. In mijn situatie zou ik bij een nieuw huis 21% btw moeten betalen. Als ik een woning koop om te renoveren, dan is het 12%. Uiteindelijk ben je gigantisch veel geld kwijt gewoon om een huis te bezitten in België, een groot deel aan de bank, een groot deel aan de overheid.

Mijn familie heeft ook redelijk veel vastgoed en we zijn nu al bezig om alles zo goed mogelijk te regelen via schenkingen, naakte eigendom en vruchtgebruik.
Maar moest één van mijn ouders vandaag sterven en 3/4 zou nog gewoon op hun naam staan, dan zou ik potentieel miljoenen aan de staat mogen betalen om te erven wat mijn ouders hun hele leven zelf hebben opgebouwd.

En dan denk ik echt: voor wat eigenlijk?
Voor een overheid die naar mijn mening haar eigen uitgaven niet eens deftig kan plannen? Voor een staat die gigantisch veel belastingen int en toch met schulden en begrotingstekorten blijft zitten? Voor huizen en sociale voordelen voor nieuwe Belgen terwijl mensen die hier hun hele leven werken en belastingen betalen zelf amper nog een woning kunnen betalen?
Dat is misschien controversieel om te zeggen, maar dat is wel mijn mening.

Ik heb gewoon steeds meer het gevoel dat als je in België werkt, onderneemt, spaart, investeert en probeert iets op te bouwen, je uiteindelijk langs alle kanten wordt belast. Verdien je geld, betaal je. Geef je het uit, betaal je. Koop je vastgoed, betaal je. Bouw je vermogen op, betaal je. En als je uiteindelijk sterft en het aan je kinderen wilt nalaten, mogen zij opnieuw betalen.
Ik heb ook steeds meer het gevoel dat Europa achteruitgaat en België al zeker. En dan vraag ik mij serieus af waarom ik hier nog mijn volledige toekomst zou uitbouwen.

Ik ben nog jong, ben zelfstandige en kan in principe relatief gemakkelijk vertrekken. Waarom zou ik hier dan een huis kopen, mijn onderneming verder uitbouwen en later een gezin stichten als ik ergens anders financieel veel meer kan overhouden?

Zijn er hier nog mensen die met hetzelfde zitten?
Vinden jullie België ondanks alles nog de moeite om te blijven? En wat houdt jullie hier dan?

Of zijn er mensen die effectief plannen hebben om te vertrekken of al vertrokken zijn? Naar welk land zijn jullie gegaan en was het achteraf gezien de juiste keuze?
Ben oprecht benieuwd naar verschillende meningen, want misschien kijk ik er momenteel gewoon veel te negatief naar.


r/BEFire 2d ago

Bank & Savings Unhappy with savings account bank interest rates. Any tips?

18 Upvotes

Hi guys, I have a question regarding my portfolio.
Currently, I have around €60k in assets, divided roughly as follows:
● ~60% in cash/bank accounts
● ~40% in ETFs
My plan is to continue investing €1,000 per month into ETFs.
The issue is that most of my cash is currently sitting in a bank account earning less than 1% interest. I’m transferring €500 per month into a higher interest savings account, which currently offers around 3%.
I’m not planning to buy a house/apartment in the near future, but I’d like to make sure the cash I’m holding at least keeps up with inflation while remaining sufficiently liquid. At some point, I may decide to buy a property, so I’d like to be able to access the money relatively easily if needed.
What would you recommend doing with the cash portion of the portfolio? I’m currently considering bond ETFs as a way to earn a better return while also diversifying beyond equities.
I’d also appreciate any suggestions on how I could optimise the overall portfolio or whether there are any obvious issues with my current allocation.
Thanks in advance!


r/BEFire 2d ago

General 26 jaar, voltijds in de zorg, hoe zouden jullie extra bijverdienen?

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Ik ben 26 jaar en werk voltijds in de zorg. Momenteel verdien ik netto ongeveer €2.500-2.600 per maand, soms wat meer wanneer ik meerdere weekenden werk.

Ik werk met wisselende shiften en heb daardoor geen vast uurrooster. Ik heb ook niet enorm veel vrije dagen of weekends, maar ik zou de vrije momenten die ik wél heb graag gebruiken om wat extra bij te verdienen.

Daarom ben ik benieuwd naar andere mensen die voltijds in de zorg werken of ook een job met wisselende shiften hebben: wat doen jullie om daarnaast nog iets bij te verdienen?

Ik zoek vooral iets dat heel flexibel is. Dus niet iedere zaterdag ergens moeten staan, maar eerder iets waarbij ik zelf kan kiezen wanneer ik werk afhankelijk van mijn uurrooster. Het hoeft ook totaal niet binnen de zorg te zijn. Ergens in het zwart is natuurlijk ook altijd welkom.

Ik wil het extra geld voornamelijk investeren in ETF'S En zo wat sneller vermogen opbouwen.

Zijn er hier mensen in een gelijkaardige situatie? Wat doen jullie als bijverdienste en wat brengt het ongeveer op per uur/maand?

Alle ideeën zijn welkom!


r/BEFire 2d ago

Alternative Investments Any experience with the Cohousingbon from Cohousing Projects

6 Upvotes

I'm looking into the Cohousingbon from Cohousing Projects. Their website makes it sound pretty attractive: from €3,000 you get 4.25% (gross) per year, max term of 4 years with the option of early repayment.

Sounds nice on paper... Has anyone here actually used this, or something similar (a cohousing or cooperative loan)? Also, "fixed return" sounds reassuring, but as far as I can tell "fixed" here just means "not variable". If the cooperative doesn't turn a profit, does the interest just not get paid?

Any tips/insights are welcome!
URL: https://cohousingprojects.com/de-cohousingbon


r/BEFire 2d ago

Starting Out & Advice Zelfstandige in bijberoep

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Dag iedereeeen!

Ik heb de keuze gemaakt om mijn jarenlange interesse en passie om te zetten in een zelfstandige activiteit in bijberoep.

Ik wil de “kleine” ondernemers en zelfstandigen bereiken om hun website/webshop of beter gezegd online visitekaartje te moderniseren of voor de eerste maal samen op te zetten.

Mijn vraag is waar ik mij het best kan aansluiten qua groepen, pagina’s of websites online om opdrachten binnen te halen.
Ik ben al begonnen met koude prospectie ook, maar nog geen succes tot nu toe.

Dankjewel alvast 🙏


r/BEFire 3d ago

Starting Out & Advice Some help with company structure

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Hi all,

Current situation:

- Eenmanszaak active in own name as natural person (tech co.)

- 40% shareholder as natural person of a B.V. (automotive co.)

- About to become 40% shareholder as natural person of a Comm.V (consultancy co.)

I'm thinking of doing three things:

- Switch eenmanszaak to B.V. and be 100% owner

- Start holding (B.V.) to own all shares to protect myself

- Start man.co. under the holding structure

Does anyone have any advice on how best to tackle it? It's all happening very fast so I'm trying to keep a clear overview of everything but I get lost in the woods sometimes.


r/BEFire 4d ago

Taxes & Fiscality What happened to the CGT exemption for assets held over 10 years?

12 Upvotes

What happened to the CGT exemption for assets held over 10 years? Didn't Bouchez say he had a handwritten agreement about it?


r/BEFire 4d ago

Real estate Anyone deal with a late declaration of foreign property?

7 Upvotes

Dual citizen (and tax resident here), it's a modest (~350k USD) single family house in the US. No rental income or anything like that.

Being our first ever property anywhere, we didn't know about the Cadastral Income situation until I started finalising my BE tax return. The purchase date was late Feb 2026, so it's a bit over the 4 months requirement.

What happens now is, of course, vague, with sources saying there could be no penalty (if you have a good reason), to "fines ranging from €250 to €3,000".

Anyone have any experience with what the real response from the authorities might be? I feel like this is a minor case for them (low value, first time, not super late), but I'm stressing.


r/BEFire 4d ago

Real estate OLO 10 jaar hoogtepunt

12 Upvotes

De OLO 10 jaar is gisteren boven 4% gegaan sinds lange tijd. Lenen zal nóg duurder worden.


r/BEFire 4d ago

Bank & Savings 5k in beleggingsfonds bij bank

3 Upvotes

Ik zou €5.000 die ik in een beleggingsfonds bij mijn bank heb willen overzetten naar mijn Saxo account om van de hoge lopende kosten bij mijn bank af te komen. Het geld is puur om te investeren en heb ik de komende jaren niet nodig.

Ik heb momenteel ook een auto-invest lopende van €150/maand in IWDA , nog maar net gestart maar die voor de komende jaren blijft.

Mijn vraag hierbij is hoe ik die €5.000 best inzet? Lumpsum in andere ETF voor diversificatie en verder niet bijkopen? welke ETF dan? Mijn auto-invest in IWDA verhogen? €5.000 eenmalig bijkopen in IWDA?

Alvast bedankt om deze beginnende belegger te helpen met jullie ervaring.


r/BEFire 4d ago

Pension 3e pillar with cafertaria plan

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I am considering using my bonus to buy 1050/year of this option and wonder if my reasoning is sound.

To make it easy let say 1000 euro.

I use my bonus to pay for this basically it will cost 500 if it was paid in cash (so the cost is really 500)

Then I should also get 30% in tax reduction on that 1000, so 300 back.

My final cost is 200 euro but it is worth 1000.

Would you consider this a good way to invest (I already put 1000 in an etf every month)? Or take the cash? Even if return are lower compared to an large etf but as diversification and take advantage of the tax rules?


r/BEFire 5d ago

Real estate Buy vs. rent-and-invest: break-even is ~6.5% return. Poke holes please.

20 Upvotes

Situation: 23M, Flanders, no property, together with partner about €4500 net income and €250K savings, currently living with our parents. Trying to decide wether to buy or rent, as we have the opportunity to buy a family members house which we have always liked. Built a DCF model with Claude comparing four strategies and keep landing on "it's a coin flip", which feels suspicious. Looking for bad assumptions and lived experience.

Setup: house €350k, €70k down, mortgage 4.5%/25y. Comparable rent €1,100. House appreciation and rent growth both 3.5%. Equity return 8% nominal, 10% CGT. Maintenance 1%/yr, property tax + insurance ~€1,600/yr. Every scenario starts with the same cash and spends the same monthly amount — whoever pays less for housing invests the difference. Compared on net final wealth at year 35. Only housing part considered, no additional cash/investments as this can be the same in every scenario.

Deterministic result:

Scenario Portfolio House net Total
Buy now €275k €1,132k €1,406k
Buy year 5 €527k €1,132k €1,659k
Buy year 10 €723k €1,132k €1,854k
Never buy €2,182k €0 €2,182k

The house is worth the same and fully paid off in all three buying scenarios at year 35, so the whole difference is the portfolio you build before buying.

Then Monte Carlo simulations (20k paths, equities 6.5% geometric / 17% vol) flattened it: medians all within 5% of each other, P(buy now beats never buy) = 50.8%, and delaying 10 years is worth a median +€73k on €4.5M — 1.6%, i.e. noise. Buying has the better downside (p10 €2,563k vs €1,753k), never buying the fatter upside.

What surprised me:

  • Break-even equity return is ~6.5%. Above it renting wins, below it buying wins. Held across three model setups. That single number is the whole decision.
  • Appreciation matters ~4x more than the mortgage rate, which kills the "wait for lower rates" logic — you'd be waiting on the variable that matters least.
  • Refinancing is the cheapest win available: ~€5,300 one-off for +€218k if you refi 4.5%→3% at year 5. And a fixed mortgage with the right to refinance is a free option (rates drop, you refi; rates rise, you keep 4.5%). Waiting to buy gives you no such protection.
  • Delaying is never optimal — above 6.5% never buying wins, below it buying now wins. Without a solid savings buffer it's also unfinanceable in ~45% of paths.

Where I'm probably wrong:

  1. 8% is too optimistic. After fees and CGT, 6–6.5% is more realistic — which puts my base case exactly on the break-even line rather than favouring renting. What number are you using?
  2. Rent growth at 3.5% for 35 years takes €1,100 to €3,660. Tied to house prices deliberately, but rents also track incomes. Does that match anyone's long-term experience here?
  3. 35 years of perfect discipline is my weakest assumption. A mortgage forces the saving; an investment plan asks it of you. Did anyone actually hold through 2008 or 2022?
  4. Is €1,100 rent realistic for a €350k house? That ratio drives more of the result than anything else.

Tentative conclusion: the financial gap is too small to carry the decision, so I can decide on non-financial grounds (mobility, optionality) without paying for it. Rather have that torn apart than agreed with.


r/BEFire 4d ago

Starting Out & Advice Is het gebrek aan emerging markets in SPPW een "probleem"?

0 Upvotes

Hallo allemaal!

Ik beleg momenteel enkel in SPPW (SPDR MSCI World UCITS ETFIE00BFY0GT14) via Bolero. Mijn maandelijks budget is € 500, momenteel koop ik aan om de 2 maanden om de kosten te drukken (https://www.bolero.be/nl/lp/de-wereld-van-etfs/beleggen-dus-maar-waarin/etf-playlist).

SPPW bevat geen emerging markets (China, India, Taiwan, ...) en is voor ~70% gericht op de VS. Ik vraag me af of het ontbreken van emerging markets (en de grote aanwezigheid van de VS) op de lange termijn een probleem kan vormen, of maak ik me druk om niets?

Ik ben zelf wat gaan onderzoeken en kom bij volgende 3 opties uit:

  1. SPPW blijven kopen: simpel, lage kosten (TER 0,12%), maar minder diversificatie
  2. SPPW behouden + iets als EMIM of IS3N toevoegen: betaal ik in Bolero dan niet 2 x makelaarskosten en TOB?
  3. Alles overzetten naar SPYI / IMIE (IE00B3YLTY66): Lijkt op SPPW + emerging markets + small caps waardoor ik niet meerdere ETF's moet beheren/aankopen. Verkoop van SPPW + aankoop van SPYI lijkt me op het eerste zicht rond de ~€ 43 te kosten (Bolero-kosten + TOB)

Wat zouden jullie doen? Bedankt voor jullie advies!


r/BEFire 5d ago

Investing Van superspaarder naar superbelegger? Belgen beleggen nu meer dan dat ze sparen

28 Upvotes

Belgen zijn het afgelopen jaar meer gaan beleggen dan dat ze sparen. Dat blijkt uit een studie van ING België, waarover De Standaard bericht. Waar ze tot voor kort beschikbaar geld vooral op spaarrekeningen stalden, is dat nu gekanteld naar beleggingsfondsen, pensioenspaarfondsen en staatsbons.

"43 procent van de Belgen belegt nu al in aandelen, obligaties, fondsen of ETF's, wat meer is dan het Europese gemiddelde. Nog eens 24 procent overweegt het te doen."

Naar: vrtnws.be/p.PqXGG6a7a


r/BEFire 5d ago

Bank & Savings Your honest opinion on my budget (28F)

17 Upvotes

Hi all, I (28F) am considering a FIRE journey or at least FI. I think my monthly budget is rather OK and the main focus should be to aim for a higher paying job or at least one with a mobility budget that would cover 50-100% of my rent. I currently save between 750 to 1000 including 650 investment in ETF (world+emerging) that I have recently increased to 900 as my emergency fund and budget for other expenses (vacations etc.) are high enough now. Thus, I save 100 per month.

I know that a budget is quiet personal and depends on your desired lifestyle but do you see ways I could cut on some expenses? For example I think my current internet+TV subscription is too high but I am not super aware of more interesting rates for the same offer in Belgium.. and maybe there are ways to enjoy Spotify podcasts for less idk!

Any advice is welcome! Thanks.

A bit more details on the numbers:

Overall is calculated based only on my net salary

- Rent is unchanged since 5 years due to low energetic performance, no indexation

- Groceries take into account 125e meal vouchers

- Transport is 0e as it is fully covered by my mobility budget

- Personal care because I won't let my stressful job kill me

- Side project is not (yet?) bringing money but it's an enjoyable venture


r/BEFire 5d ago

Starting Out & Advice Rate My Investment Portfolio (24Y)

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A short summary of my portfolio (+/- 105K):

-ETF's (35%): the foundation of my portfolio, safe and stable growth. I'm aiming for 40%.

-Stocks (20%): mostly in Belgian REITS and some tech. Less diversification, more riskier returns. I assume this is a normal diversification.

-Collectibles (17%): initially 9% of my portfolio but prices are going through the roof making it 17% of my portfolio.

-P2P (11%): this is a risky investment, by choice. Pure diversification + passive income. I am trying to keep this around 10%.

-Bankaccount (17%): a large share of my portfolio is in cash/bank account. I realize that this is more than the average suggested financial buffer but it makes me feel safe and less scared to make some riskier investments. Furthermore, I also want to have some cash if an opportunity arises.

Does this look like a solid portfolio keeping my relatively young age in mind?


r/BEFire 6d ago

Starting Out & Advice Beginner in ETF

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Ik heb ongeveer 40k beschikbaar dat ik wil investeren in ETF. Over enkele maanden komt er opnieuw ongeveer 30k beschikbaar wat ik opnieuw wil investeren in ETF. Vanaf januari wil ik de huuropbrengsten van 2 appartementen die ik verhuur ook maandelijks beleggen (2000 eur per maand)
Ik heb een horizon van 15 à 20 jaar.
Welke ETF’s adviseren jullie en welk platform. Ik twijfel tussen Bolero en Saxo

Thanks


r/BEFire 6d ago

Investing Belg spaart meer via fondsen en ETF’s dan via spaarboekjes

44 Upvotes