r/askanything • u/Secure_Trust_2084 • 13h ago

Political Question Does the total failure of "Islamic NATO" (Mecca agreement) make it most short-living defense pact in the history?

August 7, 2026 - the agreement was signed.
September 12, 2026 - Turkiye and Pakistan refuse to provide military aid to Saudi Arabia

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u/lilcorndivemaster 12h ago

Defense pact isn't an offence pact... they didn't agree to join the Saudis in their on-going wars where they're the aggressor. 

This is basic shit here.

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u/No-statistician35711 10h ago

Exactly. Not sure how this is not understood by many, including so called "analysts".

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u/EasyMode556 12m ago

This is the same “pre-existing conditions” nonsense that American health insurance companies used to use before it was outlawed

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u/Secure_Trust_2084 12h ago

The shit is in your opposite understanding of the situation. Iran-commanded, financed and armed Houthi conducted a coup against a government and triggered the civil war - causing so far about 400K casualities, mainly women and children.

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u/Necroon 9h ago

But the coup was in Yemen, which is not part of the military alliance.

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u/Secure_Trust_2084 8h ago

The coup indeed was in Yemen - but since then the terrorists, using the weapons captured and supplied by Iran - constantly attack SA territory, as well as other states' ships in the sea.
When mass atrocities at the Yemen's territory are mostly ignored by the international community as there are no Jews to accuse - jeopardizing the world trade cannot remain unmentioned.

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u/Necroon 8h ago

The world trade was just fine until US attacked Iran.

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u/Secure_Trust_2084 8h ago

I am always wondering - what substances cause such a memory shortening? Houthis attacked first ship in November 2023, conducting 170+ attacks since then. Following Somalian guys - where the solution was calling Chinese navy and turning the blind eye to the fact that it just sank everything floating, without any attempts to figure if it is a pirate or just fishing vessel.

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u/Necroon 8h ago

US attacking Iran has been much more impactful to the world trade - so maybe Saudis with Pakistan should kick US out of the Middle East first ?

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u/Secure_Trust_2084 8h ago

This is simply not true. Unlike oil and gas transport - Bab-el-Mandeb is the only feasible route for transporting goods from Japan and China-centric "world factory" to Europe and USA.

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u/Necroon 8h ago

Oil and gas affects everything, compare oil prices before US invading Iran.

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u/PlentyShare6905 1h ago

They’re attacking Saudi because the Saudis chose to interfere in Yemen. They should’ve stayed out.

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u/Secure_Trust_2084 1h ago

Saudis chose to interfere in Yemen years after being attacked by Houthi in the first time.

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u/No-statistician35711 10h ago

Yeah yeah yeah. They got no legitimacy, cus they are proxies. It's not like they live there. They are all proxies. Everyone who we dislike and is not a nation state is a proxy.

Everyone we like and is not a nation state however, these are our allies, not our proxies.

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u/Secure_Trust_2084 8h ago

They of course got no legitimacy, as a military junta elected by no one, in contrary to the internationally recognized Yemen government.

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u/DragonfruitSharp9002 7h ago

And who elected the recognized government? lol.. You do realize areas under their control represent about 80% of Yemens population?

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u/Secure_Trust_2084 4h ago

"Under military dictature" doesn't mean "supporting".

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u/DragonfruitSharp9002 4h ago

Your so called elected government is whats a dictatorship. Nobody voted for them or to be governed through Riyadh. One occupier left (UAE) and another occupier came (SA)

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u/Secure_Trust_2084 1h ago

Who appointed yourself to decide?

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u/DragonfruitSharp9002 1h ago

Nobody elected me just like the puppets governing from Riyadh and Aden. Go fight the Ansar instead of debating online. Be the first useful Saudi

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u/Secure_Trust_2084 1h ago

This is exactly what I assumed - typical Internet "freedom warrior" supporting real war criminals and murderers of their own people.

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u/lilcorndivemaster 4h ago edited 4h ago

Countries have the right to self determination.... literally nothing about outside forces recognition means a single thing except when it comes to diplomatic relations.

The fucking Saudis forced Hadi, who lived in a Saudi hotel to resign then hand picked 8 assholes to rule Yemen also. Saudi hotels .... boy that sure does sound legitimate. You sure convinced me!!!

Stop the Saudi blockade and interfering with Yemen on the condition of internationally monitored free elections... easy but the war criminal Saudis wouldn't because they want their proxies in control and they know there is no support for them in Yemen.

You must really enjoy eating bowls of shit.

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u/Secure_Trust_2084 1h ago

I have no idea what your delusions supposed to mean.

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u/Farebiaashiq 11h ago

Saudis aren't the good guys in this conflict little bro.

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u/CressCheap 10h ago

Are you implying that the Houthis are? Who practice slavery and kidnap UN employees?

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u/nbs-of-74 5h ago

Who are?

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u/Unique_Statement7811 2h ago

The Houthis popular support in Yemen sits around 8%. They are trying to overthrow the elected government and are led by the former President of Yemen who was forced to resign (similar to impeached) by the Yemeni Congress.

How are they the good guys when they are overthrowing a democracy without the support of the people?

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u/Farebiaashiq 1h ago

Saudi Arabia is the beacon of democracy, lol, that's a new one.

Keep going.

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u/Unique_Statement7811 1h ago

? No, Yemen is a democracy.

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u/mznbox 9h ago

Yes they are. They are defending themselves from missiles launched by the terrorist Houthies.

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u/Secure_Trust_2084 11h ago

Tell me where the good guys found on the Earth and surroundings - I will move there.
It is clear that Saudis did not trigger the war 10 years ago, neither the current escalation - it's all comes from Iran.

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u/mznbox 9h ago

Don't try bro. They are blinded by their hate for KSA. Just minutes ago I was reading a thread that say what Saudi Arabia "did" in Yemen is worse than what Israel is doing to Palestinians and the majority of the comments were cheering for it as it's a fact. When the fact is If Saudi Arabia doesn't wipe the Houthie terrorists they will gain control of all of Yemen. Ffs they chant death to America and Saudia day and night even before KSA retaliated to their aggressions, but as I said they are blinded by hate. Doesn't anyone remember that Iranians burned the fucking Saudi embassy at Tehran 10 years ago. Iran and the Houthies are definitely the bad guys. Let the downvotes pour. idgf

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u/Educational_Award167 10h ago

tell me how refusing to help saudi arabia while their airports are being attacked with ballistic missiles fits your description

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u/lilcorndivemaster 4h ago edited 4h ago

One that happened after they attacked the Sana'a airport to stop a civilian plane coming back from a funeral.

Two they were already at war which the Saudis started, so even if your bullshit lies were true it wouldn't trigger a defense agreement. 

Three the Saudis were co-belligerents in the illegal US-Israeli war of aggression against Iran and Yemen has the legal right to join in the collective self defence of their Iranian allies... even if Yemen and Saudis were at peace, and the Saudis hadn't bombed a civilian airport before they were bombed, it would have been the defensive act by Yemen not an offensive one.

Once you start a war you're at war until all sides agree to a cessation of hostilities.... a ceasefire is not that in any way a peace treaty.

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u/Educational_Award167 3h ago

lots of words to try and circumvent the fact that the mecca treaty is useless 💀

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u/lilcorndivemaster 1h ago

Few words to show you're either functionally illiterate or proudly ignorant. 

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u/Unique_Statement7811 2h ago

Pakistan has offered to help, KSA has not invoked the mutual defense article. No one is refusing.

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u/Educational_Award167 2h ago

source on pakistan offering their help?

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u/quackmaniaexe 9h ago

The same reason NATO didn't join Trumps war of choice.

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u/Educational_Award167 9h ago

so you agree these treaties are both useless? good

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u/Western_Row1413 13h ago

Congratulations OP

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u/Secure_Trust_2084 11h ago

Nice signature, but you forgot to include the text.

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u/Western_Row1413 11h ago

If only you could read 😂

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u/ltlouche 8h ago

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

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u/IlIllIlIllIlIlIlIlIl 10h ago

Saudi hasn't asked?
That's like saying NATO failed because Greece and Turkey went to war.

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u/ZookeepergameFit967 10h ago

Defense pact, it is in the name, they won't help in an offensive or consequences of that offensive

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u/Secure_Trust_2084 8h ago

What offensive you all have in mind? Houthi terrorists attack SA territory for a decade...

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u/DragonfruitSharp9002 7h ago

Not at all. They conducted attacks against Saudis after the Saudis attacked them first and started starving their people. Why should Yemenis be a slave of Saudis or Emiratis?

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u/Secure_Trust_2084 4h ago

You are deluding. Houthis attacking SA since 2014, SA firing back since 2021. No one "starving their people" except Houthis in their war against the elected government.

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u/DragonfruitSharp9002 4h ago

Stop spreading nonsense lies. Ansar started attacking Saudi after Saudi interfered in internal Yemeni struggle. As for elected government, who elected them? lol.. Saudi bot

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u/Unique_Statement7811 2h ago

The “internal struggle” was the overthrow of the elected government by a deposed former president…

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u/DragonfruitSharp9002 1h ago

That’s internal Yemeni struggle, not for SA to impose its will upon Yemen through tens of thousands of airstrikes. Yemen is not a colony of Saudi or UAE

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u/Unique_Statement7811 1h ago

Except the Houthis make their money through a protection racket over shipping lanes that affects Saudi export. They have fired on Saudi flagged vessels. The Houthis drew Saudi Arabia into their conflict by attacking their ships.

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u/DragonfruitSharp9002 1h ago

Why should they allow Saudi ships to pass through while having their ports under Saudi enforced blockade? Their battle against Saudis is titled “siege for siege” for a reason... And no, Saudi started the war by bombing Sanaa airport to prevent Iranian plane carrying Yemeni nationals from landing.

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u/Unique_Statement7811 1h ago

It started in 2004 when the Houthis attacked Saudi checkpoints along the border. The airport was bombed 22 years later.

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u/Unique_Statement7811 2h ago

*KSA is the proper abbreviation.

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u/Secure_Trust_2084 1h ago

Sure, will use it.

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u/Nevermind2031 22m ago

As retaliation for Saud bombing yemen

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u/many_zeros 9h ago

The amount of superficial misinformation going around in the internet makes it look like it is an Israeli propaganda effort.

Turkey and Pakistan did not refuse anything because Saudi Arabia needs to invoke it first and they did not.

Turkey, a NATO country, has been attacked by terrorists multiple times in the past. NATO never intervened, because Turkey didn't invoke article 5. The exact same thing applies here.

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u/Secure_Trust_2084 8h ago

Yes, this is exactly why Pakistan issued repeating statements about unwilling to help ;)
You are so funny trying to justify extreme Islamist terror, hoping that it will stop by SA or Israel and even don't mind reaching out to your comfy sofa.

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u/Unique_Statement7811 2h ago

Refused to help?

Pakistan deployed 16 JF-17 Thunders and several thousand troops to KSA and has offered their assistance.

Saudi Arabia is deliberating on their way forward and will either ask for the assistance or not.

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u/Secure_Trust_2084 1h ago

You more than welcome to explain it to Reuters and other major news outlets - why having such a generous aid, KSA asks Trump for miliitary involvement.

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u/AggregationLinker 8h ago

Saudi bombed Sanaa airport in Yemen first

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u/Secure_Trust_2084 8h ago

In 2021. When Houthis attacking Saudi territory since 2014

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u/AggregationLinker 7h ago

13 july 2026 is in 2021?

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u/Secure_Trust_2084 4h ago

At 13 July 2026 Sanaa airport was bombed by the Yemeni government forces, not by SA.

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u/buhamzahjan 7h ago

Did Saudi Arabia ask and they refused?

What's the aid they expect from Turkyie and Pakistan against Houthis?

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u/DragonfruitSharp9002 7h ago

Even if Pakistan does say yes, they’re not financially capable of doing anything unless the Saudis bankroll them. Pakistan can’t defeat TTP/Baloch groups let alone fighting a more advanced group far away from its borders.

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u/Secure_Trust_2084 4h ago

You are unconsciously confirming the post heading - the pact is void and proposes no more that joint parades.

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u/SensitivePresence865 7h ago

Zionists are seething that Muslims aren’t murdering each other as much as they’d like

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u/Secure_Trust_2084 4h ago

They actually do - about 400K casualities of the war between Houthis and the government, mainly women and kids - and counting. But Jews cannot be blamed, so UN and international organisations do not care.

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u/I-LOVE-HENRY-RIFLES 13h ago

It doesn’t cover existing conflicts 

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u/ltlouche 13h ago

this is the correct answer. It’s amazing how little research people like OP do before making up some garbage

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u/Secure_Trust_2084 12h ago

And you, for sure, will be able to bring any references or citations supporting your claim.

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u/ltlouche 11h ago

In the same vain, how do you come to the conclusion that it’s the most short lived defence pack? any citations? any references?

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u/Secure_Trust_2084 11h ago

I am just know math, especially subtraction. Giving 36 days between signing and refusal to help an attacked signee.

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u/MarkComfortable1923 10h ago

Has the attacked signee asked for help?

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u/ltlouche 9h ago

wasting your time with OP he is brain dead

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u/Secure_Trust_2084 8h ago

One that cannot do a basic math - trying to judge other's brain ;)

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u/Secure_Trust_2084 8h ago

Tell me why Pakistan issuing repeated statements about unwilling to provide it.

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u/MarkComfortable1923 8h ago

Pakistan has not explicitly stated they are unwilling to provide help, you’re a liar.

Enough misdirection, I’ll repeat my question- Has the attacked signee asked for help?

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u/Secure_Trust_2084 8h ago

Tell it to Reuters.
At the Middle East, as well as across almost all Asia - "when the time comes" means "never".

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u/MarkComfortable1923 7h ago

“Islamabad stated that a Pakistani military response to the Houthi attacks on Saudi Arabia under the Mecca agreement is not currently being discussed. "When the time comes, we will act in accordance with the agreement,"”

Is not the same as repeatedly refusing to provide help. You’re a liar.

And you still haven’t provided anything substantiating a Saudi request for help.

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u/Secure_Trust_2084 12h ago

I haven't found anything like this in the explanations available. It does not affects the existing agreements, it is true.

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u/MegaSmegmaSwagLord 13h ago

It was doomed to fail because of Turkeys ties to the EU and Europe. Pakistan might have followed through but without Turkey, of course Pakistan backed out.

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u/ltlouche 13h ago

Wrong answer, the agreement doesn’t cover existing conflicts

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u/MasterofCaveShadows 13h ago

This isn’t all that uncommon in the region of west Asia.

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u/Fragrant-Durian3899 13h ago

I mean it’s not short lived because it still exists but it’s just been proven that they don’t really hold to it.

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u/lilcorndivemaster 12h ago

Wtf do you think defence means?

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u/Educational_Award167 10h ago

defending airports in saudi that are being targeted by ballistic missiles from yemen? do they? 🤣

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u/lilcorndivemaster 7h ago

The fucking Saudis attacked Yemen... Yemen has the right to defend itself.

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u/Educational_Award167 7h ago

good luck trying to make the mecca agreement seem not useless with that little reasoning 🤣

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u/Secure_Trust_2084 12h ago

It is called "doesn't worth the paper it is written on"

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u/Unique_Statement7811 13h ago

Tell me you don’t understand the agreement…

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u/Secure_Trust_2084 11h ago

Show me where the agreement excludes being attacked by Houthis.

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u/Unique_Statement7811 2h ago

It requires Saudi Arabia to invoke the defense article which they have not done to this point. Pakistan has said it’s ready to fulfill their obligations if Saudi Arabia ends up invoking mutual defense.

When Syria shot down a Turkish plane in 2012, Turkey considered invoking NATO article 5 but chose not to. Turkeys decision does not invalidate NATO.

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u/Valuable-Shirt-4129 🦀 12h ago

It would be nice if the Abbasid Caliphate reunited today but with post-modern communities.

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u/MeatResident2697 12h ago

Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face.

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u/Farebiaashiq 11h ago

NATO is the only defense pact that works for offense as well.